If the cadet can follow orders and remain calm under the pressure of a Marine Corps Drill Instructor...well, you know that the cadet is destined for greatness. There is no scarier, more stressful creature in the U.S. military than a Marine DI
That Marine DI wasn’t scary - he looked like a cartoon character, with his arms flapping all over the place and hitting himself in the head. Kudos to the cadet for not laughing!
1. The cadet isn't being disrespectful, he's following orders. West Point cadets can use only one of four responses to a question: Yes, sir, No, sir, No excuse, sir and Sir, I do not understand. For him to say "Aye Aye Sir" would not be allowed. 2. The DIs evaluating him understand this and the whole "broke session" is a test to see if he will back track and second guess himself, however he passes their test.
Damian Richard Heidingsfelder It doesn’t matter.... if a Cadet/Midshipmen prances his ass around thinking he out ranks anybody enlisted he’s gonna get his ass chewed so far his he’s gonna wish to quit. NCOs and Chiefs are the people that make an officer look good, I know for a fact that anyone who hasn’t earned a commission yet will gladly listen and get advised by enlisted personnel because unless they are too stupid to realize, they haven’t done shit. It’s nothing but a caveat of the lowest ranks of honor, pull that shit next to a SSgt and see what happens.
@Coding Crusader the commandant isn’t my commandant. I advise the SNCO of what the commandant said, but ultimately it doesn’t matter. What the SNCO says, it’s what’s going to happen as long as it’s a lawful order
I have to give him credit for having the balls to stick to what he was taught "This cadet has 4 responses, that is not included in them" fuck... He was able to keep bearing and be very professional at the same time. It makes me wonder what I would do if I was put in a situation like that
Trick maneuver from the marine DI. The cadet requested permission to enter the DI's drill pad. He then fell under the direct chain of command of the DI for the time he was in the pad. He could have then responded with "Aye Aye, Sir". If there was a fail, it was in the DI's directive to the cadet to reply "Aye Aye" in conflict with the cadet's general order to stick to the four authorized replies. I say the cadet wins, as he made the leadership decision to disregard an NCO's directive to reply Aye Aye in order to stick to a direct order issued by a commissioned officer to not reply "Aye Aye, Sir".
@Joshua Chamberlain another di couldn't order a halt, but a commissioned officer certainly could. there would better be a damn good reason to order the halt, but the officer could certainly override the nco.
@Joshua Chamberlain that is correct. A commissioned officer would give the nco the order to issue the directive to halt. Like I said, there would only be intervention for a damn good reason, like an nco marching a platoon through a minefield.
I stood in his shoes at a similar event with a USMC DI in 1998. Afterwards, he bought me a beer and explained to me why what he put us through mattered. It stuck with me. He was an E-7 close to retirement. I hope this ended the same for them.
It's amazing to me how people misunderstand the exercise portrayed in this video. Do they really think that 2 USMC D.I.s just happened to wander into the presence of these West Point cadets and just start fucking with them? This is an exercise intended to test the self-control and deportment of the cadets under pressure and the Marine Corps Drill Instructors were given this role because they do have the reputation of being able to get under your skin and break you.
From my research, yes, the West Point cadets don't say "aye aye sir" however the regulations put forward by the DI's weeks before this competition gave them specific guidelines to follow, specifically commands such as "aye aye sir". Because the West Point cadet wasn't using proper wordage, the DI's went off. Apparently the DI's didn't even want to allow them to perform however the people running the competition insisted the DI's must at least allow them to compete. This information was gathered by apparently another cadet there who witnessed the incident.
AR 600-20 conclusively shows that Cadets USMA, outrank all enlisted personnel (Table 1.1). Article 92 of the UCMJ states that this Cadet is able to give lawful orders to the Marine. "A member of one armed force who is senior in rank to a member of another armed force is the superior of that member with authority to issue orders which that member has a duty to obey".
Brecconable You keep repeating that but what you don't understand is that they are in a competition and were probably ordered by their chain of command to obey the orders of those in charge of judging. Stop pretending you know shit, you air force drop out
+J Siebelink. My previous is in black and white with no shortcuts and straight from army regs. And I never joined the USAF because I am British. Fuckwit.
Watching this I am reminded of this... Private Joker: Sir, NEGATIVE, sir! Sir, the private belives any answer he gives will be wrong and the Senior Drill Instructor will only beat him harder if he reverses himself, SIR! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Who's your squad leader, scumbag? Private Joker: Sir, the squad leader is Private Snowball, sir! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Private Snowball! Private Snowball: Sir, Private Snowball reporting as ordered, sir! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Private Snowball, you're fired. Private Joker's promoted to squad leader. Private Snowball: Sir, aye-aye, sir! Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Disappear, scumbag! Private Snowball: Sir, aye-aye, sir!
Yes. Unless you come into contact with a Marine officer. By then, you will ALWAYS, no matter what branch, address a commissioned officer with "sir" or "ma'am".
Which is exactly the case, those cadets are specifically instructed that they have only four responses. aye aye, sir is not one of them. Had he said aye aye, sir he would have failed because he did not follow the orders of his CO to follow a directive of the DI that is outside his CoC that countermanded orders. Notice in the beginning of the video the person filming or nearby said "he's not going to say it". He knew what was going on.
Actually, the DI just wrote"Aye aye sir" on their evaluation sheet. The Army cadet was correct when stating that it was not one of their four responses
They aren't trying to "break" the cadet, they are performing a routine inspection. If you want to see them "break" people take a little trip down to either MCRD Parris Island or MCRD San Diego.
lol i like the part at the end where the marine DI had on the paper "aye aye sir" and asked the cadet to read it. seems to be that the DI's had respect for the cadet's guts. good to see real men interacting there.
That cadet did a great job representing West Point. Marines like to present themselves as unwavering when it comes to discipline. That cadet was on point. Hooahh!
Retired US Navy Hospital Corpsman, served many years with Marine units. Prior to joining the Navy, was an Air Force Medic for four years. Loved this video, thanks for posting.
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That's what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object. Good job to the cadet. Never loose your bearing. If the drill instructor tells you to address him in a matter that is not in your SOP then stick to your SOP. As a former Marine, if I was ordered to salute differently or deviate from training and SOP, well it just wasn't going to happen.
A cadet of a Military Academy outranks that of Military Enlisted Personnel however does not outrank Commissioned Officers and Warrant Officers as made clear by AR 600-20
It's a drill competition. West Point has a standing rivalry with the Naval Academy (and by association the Marines, as Marine Officers commission from USNA). For the cadet to give in to the D.I.'s would not only constitute a loss of bearing but also turning his back on his alma mater (It would be like a Texas A&M Grad saying "Hook 'Em Horns" or a Yankee rooting for Boston). And he was probably told by someone much higher ranking than the DI's not to give in before hand. Its all in good spirit.
I love how the cadet continues to report in even as the marines are yelling at him. Really shows the class that west point cadets have. He dont care if he gets yelled at cuz he knows it takes far less intelligence to smack himself in the head and scream than to conduct his ceremony with precision and dignity.
In the Army, the term used to address the drill sergeant is "Yes, drill sergeant" or "No, drill sergeant". In the USMC, the term for Drill instructors are "Aye Aye sir" or "No, sir". The Army Drill Sergeants don't like to be called "Sir" because that's how you address an officer. These West Point cadets graduate as officers. All in all, yes, you address differently pending on your branch.
I served in the Marine Corps and I attended Drill Instructor School. I do not recall ever being "taught" how to "not maintain my cool". I do recall being taught to maintain my cool at all times. Including when addressing the recruits.
We don't say aye-aye in the army! We are not Pirates sailing in the ocean! I am so proud of these West Point Cadets standing up to these Marine drill sergeants and putting them in their place!
@@mattstever7387 who cares? We soldier's don't care anything about the Marines! The Marines are nothing but dumb brainwashed robots who aren't allowed to think for themselves!
@@teeteelouky8407 The Marines don't need the numbers the Army needs. All they need are a few good men. There's a reason the Marines are the Presidents.
I will correct you. AR 600-20 conclusively shows that Cadets USMA, outrank all enlisted personnel (Table 1.1). Article 92 of the UCMJ states that this Cadet is able to give lawful orders to the Marine. "A member of one armed force who is senior in rank to a member of another armed force is the superior of that member with authority to issue orders which that member has a duty to obey" If you are of a differing opinion, please cite your scources.
Yes you are technically correct by the book. That said nobody is going to listen to a cadet over an NCO. That cadet outranks an NCO by book regulations only. In the real world of the military that cadet will listen to that NCO to learn.
I think you are making very generalized understandings of the regulation in 600-20, you can see on that table it lists their pay grade as "special". But if you want specifics AR 601-210 , 9-10 Enlistment Program 9D, U.S. Army Officer/Warrant Officer Enlistment Program ... (f) "OCS candidates are administratively promoted to the grade of E-5 while attending OCS" But even for marines/navy they have enlisted instructors that train OCS candidates. They are called OCS Sergeant Instructors. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RgpJE6Myalk.html&ab_channel=MidwestMarines ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6iO0SLiCq1Y.html&ab_channel=NavalServiceTrainingCommand
No, brother, I believe you may have missed the point... The DI is trying to make the cadet lose his bearing and second guess orders... weeding out the week is an important part of training Marines and also in this particular case training officers. This is part of seeking out those who possess leadership qualities even on a microscopic level with something that seems completely insignificant... Semper Fidelis!
I have to say just looking at it from a civilian pov I have to give respect to that cadet for standing his ground. It shows conviction under pressure regardless whether he was in the right or not. I wouldnt be surprised if one day he becomes a general.
@marine4lyfe1985 Cadet had a point though - Aye Aye isn't in the cadet response list. Had it been a midshipman you'd be correct, but this is a fold in the customs of the branches.
This west point cadet passed the premeditated nerve bearing test. He has been very professional. Those who think that the cadet was either disrespectful or stupid, you need to find your own ignorance in military discipline. And it is very obvious the squad leader and officer stands out there just starrring at witty perfomance done by "Marine" Drill Instructor. This is not sonething serious. Don't let your general concept fool you. He is West Pointer. If you do not get this. You are either dumb or just no experience in military.
From my research, yes, the West Point cadets don't say "aye aye sir" however the regulations put forward by the DI's weeks before this competition gave them specific guidelines to follow, specifically wordage such as "aye aye sir". Because the West Point cadet wasn't using proper wordage, the DI's went off. Apparently the DI's didn't even want to allow them to perform however the people running the competition insisted the DI's must at least allow them to compete. This information was gathered by apparently another cadet there who witnessed the incident.
@ Daniel: Unless the ranking system has changed since I graduated from West Point in 1970, the cadet actually outranks the DI. And as far as being enlisted, On the day you enter West Point every cadet takes the same oath as every military person does. We also start receiving pay from the government as a member of the military. If you look at the pay and ranking system, a cadet is in rank just below a warrant officer and just above a Sergeant Major. 'Aye, Aye sir' is a naval response, not Army.
James you are correct, a lesson was being taught here. The sad thing is that all we see is the start of that lesson. If we could see the remainder of the video you would have seen the Marine Corps Drill Instructors actually conduct an inspection of the cadets and see how the troops responded after their leader was "addressed" by he Drill Instructors. That is where the lesson was taking place. I did this ma
School may not be "the military" but the US Military Academy is. These men and women are soldiers in the United States Army and subject the the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If the Sergeant had bothered to look up the credentials of the junior service of which he is a member, the U S Navy, he would have found that the USNA is the same. The ranks of Cadet and Midshipman are official grades within each service. They are on active duty and again, subject to the UCMJ. Unlike other schools, they get 30 days of annual leave just like every other soldier and the rest of the time they are in training. During the 1st and 2nd World Wars, classes were graduated early with as little as three years in order to fill the ranks with needed officers. Duriing the civil war it was even sooner. So . . . guess they are "the Military."
@@mikerankin2619 No sir you are wrong on this they are being trained to be future officers and until they graduate with their insignia pinned on them they are students in training they must obey all military personnel who is assigned over them...and in this case, the Marine DI holds the cards
The right thing. He was being evaluated. It was the Drill Instructors job to pressure him. This wasn't some random marine being an asshole like so many people seem to think. Notice the clip board the drill instructor is carrying?
The cadet did the right thing, except telling the Marine "as you were", which obviously pissed him off. In Marine training Drill Instructors use aggressive tactics to create a stressful environment because we are mainly infantry. The DI was trying to get the cadet to lose his bearing, which as an officer candidate he should never do. They both were doing the right thing except when the cadet, probably inadvertently, insulted the Marine. Besides, you would never say "as you were", and "sir" in the same sentence. It would be the "sir" telling his subordinate "as you were". It's being blown out of proportion because the Marines have a vastly different culture than West Point does. One reason the United States Marine Corps is the finest fighting force on the planet, but not notoriously pleasant.
+helmedon I remember being taught to use "As you were, sir!" in boot camp, but it was just one situation -- for drill evaluation when the Drill Instructor would give an incorrect command (such as order arms from right shoulder arms). Besides that, in this video, the cadet and the Drill Instructors did exactly what they were supposed to do. Good job by the cadet in maintaining his bearing, and good job by the DIs in appearing to lose their minds. I hope the cadet framed that evaluation sheet. What else needed to be said? Comments about the uniforms? The kid stuck to protocol despite the fury unloaded in his face.
For all the Army dogs defending this cadet about his four "authorized" responses: he was given a lawful order to respond with "aye aye sir" and should have followed it. As the DI said, school is not the military. You don't get to make up your own rules.
as a former Marine DI im actually proud of the army cadet puke for not getting shook and standing his ground. As the Inspector the Marine DI should have just eliminated them for not following the order of the competition but I think the army puke had guts even though he was wrong. Good for her..oops, good for him
Haha marines r a part of the navy....THE NAVY!! HAHA hard 6 month deployments in Japan while us soldiers r 13 months deep in Kandahar province.. ur the puke.. clown
Regardless SCIDM rules say that they must comply to the orders and request of their evaluators. Competitors adjusts to the climate not the evaluators. H. All Judges have final say during competition procedures and disputes. Argue with them at your own peril. 1. If a judge request a team to use different words than those found in the SOPs, cadets and midshipmen must comply.
You have a non realistic way of thinking. "IN YOUR FACE ATTITUDE", doesn't determine if one is a "badass" or not. Your quality training dictates that. Secondly, Marines don't go in first every time. The strategic and tactical battlefield determine who goes in 1st. Those decisions are made at the highest levels. It could be Marines, Army, Navy or AirForce that go into harms way 1st. Just lookin out for my brother in arms. Respect to all the branches! 2/22 INF, 1st Brigade, 10th Mtn. Div.
Its most common use is as a naval response indicating that an order has been received, is understood, and will be carried out immediately. It differs from yes, which, in standard usage, could mean simple agreement without any intention to act. In naval custom, a reply of "yes sir" would indicate agreement to a statement that was not understood as an order or a requirement to do anything. The alternatives of "aye aye sir" and "yes sir" would allow any misunderstanding to be corrected at once. This might be a matter of life and death for a ship at sea.After being in both Army and Air Force I strongly agree that the Marine Corps Should train all new military personnel regardless of branch before shipping out to their respective services.
Actually, the US Code provides that Officer Candidates, Cadets and Midshipman rank above enlisted personnel but below Warrant Officers. The NCO is entitled to a salute from the cadet. The NCO's only authority comes as a judge of this event. If I was the OIC I would fire him, for being a disruptive ass. And by the way, Aye Aye Sir is a term unique to the Naval Service (which includes the Marine Corps but not the Army or Air Force).
Josh Araujo - You're missing his point. He is not saying they fall within the rank structure....he is simply saying they are an equivalent to the rank above an enlisted personnel....but not high enough to be over someone such as a Warrant Officer.
Texasgirl I'm not missing his point. His point is incorrect and so is your clarification. Officer Candidates / midshipmen are not above enlisted personnel. They are provisional members of the military (candidates to become officers) and as such have no place in the rank structure.
In reference to the confusion regarding the "aye, aye sir." and the rank thing; in drill competitions each branch is restricted to certain responses as specified by the operational side of the branch. For instance Army does not recognize "Aye, Aye sir." because we don't use it, it isn't considered proper. According to DOD regs ALL enlisted personnel are subordinate to Warrant Officer Candidates and Officer Candidates, but it was a competition and all instructors mess with the other services
Why on earth do you have a SF emblem as your profile pic if you don't know the basics of the military dude. Cadets are no more than glorified privates. He's displaying everything an NCO/DI embodies, which is discipline and leadership.
TxInfinity Perhaps you should understand the last legal order shall be obeyed unless countermanded by an officer of senior rank. even the Lowest 2Lt cannot be countermanded by a Sargent Major The Cadet was instructed that there were only four acceptable answers to the question and Aye Aye Sir was not one of them. If those instructions were given to the cadet then I do not care what NCO rank those Jar Heads held he cannot countermand the instructions/orders given tot eh cadet. In my years of joint service I never said Aye Aye to any navel officer and since I was a CWO certainly not to any Jar Head NCO. I did not see professionalism in those NCO I saw a temper tantrium being thrown because they could not force the Cadet to do it their way. He has to resort to using a sophomoric trick just to get the Cadet to say the words. The Cadet showed he had the professionalism he needed by remaining calm when the Jar Head NCO was in his face shouting and throwing a temper tantrum. The antics of those DIs was not professionalism in my book they were a disgusting display of Shouting and just show the cockiness of Marines who think they are the greatest and their way is the only way.
@ctiesman32 As an 18 year veteran, I can tell you there was no need to "elicit fear or obedience" by screaming. If one of your primary goals is to elicit fear in those you lead, your view of leadership is terribly misguided. This D.I. is NOT at Parris Island, transitioning civilians to the Marine Corps. He is there only to JUDGE A COMPETITION with folks already in the military. He is really just taking the opportunity to show off and/or haze a Cadet for personal satisfaction. Sad.
Love how this is getting blown out of proportion. It's a simple test, and the cadet passed. I am sure that the Marine D.I. was certainly pleased with the cadet's (somewhat) unfaultered responses. Had the cadet have faultered/yielded in his response, he surely would have been reprimanded, and relieved himself of any chance of having any future acknowledgement by/of the U.S.M.C.... a branch of service which prides themselves greatly upon strict cohesion/adherence to standard operating procedure.
whoa he is from west point! Seeing as the cadet from fucking WEST POINT I'd say its safe to assume he did nothing wrong. Your average marine has nothing on this guy. Marine boot camp is what 6 months? West Point is basically boot camp for 4 years!
Racist academy full of rich pampered children? Ha ha, okay... West Point has nothing on the Naval Academy as well, especially since their acceptance rate is less than 8% vs West Points' nearly 10%.
Gotta hand it to the cadet for maintaining bearing and discipline in the face of the unprofessional marines, what did they really think they were going to accomplish with that childish display?
Yeah our cadets had a paragraph and line number in our MTOE. Basically, they were counted on our books for drill weekends. So, that is key in them filling leadership roles at an actual unit outside of the school environment. Our cadets were respectful and easy to work with. They knew the enlisted side of the house would give them hell if they grew out of their britches. LOL. It was good chatting with you Carrot! Take care.
The last time I saw a guy do that, the DI broke his leg and dislocated his elbow, MP's swung through and the recruit was put in the brig for assaulting an NCO once he left the med bay. It was pretty cool
Except those West Pointers are technically under the UCMJ.... Yet... I'm sure they could probably be subject to some serious consequences when they get back to NY... I doubt they would be expelled... Maybe set back... But getting in any trouble, even if not UCMJ punishable, for some dip-shit jar-head would be just as bad, considering all the time & effort they've put in to make it through, probably 2 or 3 years of the Academy... And as they see it... they're probably only a year or two from receiving their 1st LT bars, which will pay much more than what-ever that shit-for-brains Sgt is making...
Its really one of those things where he wouldn't be WRONG if he did what he was told but he definitely wasn't wrong by staying within the responses he's been told to give. The only thing that pissed me off was his singing with that sweet ass volume.
