Marinette Is The WORST Female MC In Existence | Video Essay/Rant 

Wait til my Derision video

also having trauma is not an excuse to be a creep, it can be a reasoning but show treating her actions as just because she had trauma is stupid imo.

@@MGory828 will doo

@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel indeed

And by the way trauma doesn't make you a creep that's just bad writing to the story because the point of having PTSD is to avoid the area or the place that cause you to have the trauma in the first place and being a stalker is not a sign of PTSD that's just pure obsession a very toxic at that and I don't care if you're a man or a woman you shouldn't be stalking someone like this you shouldn't know about their personal life or what they have going on in them knowing their calendar knowing their food schedule knowing what place they can go or just whatever sneaking into someone's House stealing his phone using her powers irresponsively when she used them against the Lila being a hypocrite and just a terrible friend even her friends are just as terrible as her and hypocrites at that and this is stuff that we shouldn't be teaching our kids especially the impressionable ones who think stalking their BF and GF is a good thing but in fact you're just being a damn creep

And people say that’s cute or Sabine IRL would love that

@@MGory828 im torn between sabine irl needing to know about this show solely so she knows never to be near this man ever again, not even in the same city... or hoping shes blissfully unaware of how creepy her ex Still Is about her.

He's a rather deranged individual. The fact he rages over the girl he went to school with who he based Chloe on so much he acts like Chloe is her and the fact that Marinette, his fictional daughter, is an invasive stalker... it's not a stretch to imagine WHY the IRL Chloe didn't like him. He was probably stalking her like Marinette stalks Adrien and when she wouldn't go to prom with him it set off a rage within him that he still can't let go of.

That guy needs therapy but that’ll probably never happen since he’s too damn prideful.

That explains Marinettes behavior. Like creator like creation

I really felt bad for her parents. They saved money so she could learn about her family and heritage and she didn't give a crap.

@@selmabm3409Agreed! She’s a psycho for that

@selmabm3409 Exactly, I felt bad for her parents and uncle. They were so excited for her to connect with her Chinese heritage and she literally went all the way to China JUST to see Adrien. They could've easily fixed that by her actually going to China out of wanting to go for her uncle and ancestry and she just so happens to run into Adrien in China as well.

Exactly!

@@selmabm3409yeah i don’t know why they thought this was ‘adorable’ when she was ignoring her uncle’s birthday 😅

That’s the formula

That is the truth. I prefer Chole anyway

@@spatuladeviousong she’s literally an icon

@@spatuladevious shes a bully even in season 1

@@itzskye7074 so she's an icon for bullying and being annoying and wanting to hurt marinette? ok

To me, this show is irredeemable

I didn't saw the movie, what is it about?

@@MGory828 "Just like Chloe" - Thomas Astruc, probably

@@mathiashoppe6762 It's basically a shorter, fixed version of the show by Jeremy Zag.

@@Mitt-zc8uw thanks

Yeah that logically is impossible 😳🤦‍♀️

Not to mention creepy as frick

@@aria-fantrexian5574precisely

If someone did that for me. I’d call the cops without hesitation.

But ,,imagine you knew Master Fu 's lifeline , & marinette kows she is in right timeline .., if all present giving happened as planned ,,..marinette planned her own obsellessence ,, rretirement at 60

Yep! We call that abusive leadership.

Oh yeah. Classic LB

Cat Noir was not innocent either. Him being pushy flew over my head as a kid, but after having female friends and doing self evaluation, his behavior is also creepy and uncomfortable sometimes.

@@dangerbuffrocky that's true but there were times it just felt out of place for her character to be that cruel

@@starfiresreign I do agree that she should've articulated her mannerisms better, but it's a two-way street.

Because she’s the MC

Yeah there’s a moment where Juleka points out her crazy date plan is CREEPY and what does innocent Rose say? Something like ‘I think it’s sweet’ 😶yeah her friends are a bad influence and after a while even poor Juleka looses her common sense 😣

It would have been good to have Mari get a wake up call around the Vincent Asa situation when she realised that sharing the same desire as him was soooo wrong but noooo (And have him be arrested....) Would have open new developments for Chat and LB that an misguided Miraculous are not the only dangerous crinimals

@@MGory828 Nah it is because she is the director's digital daughter.

@@gracekim25 I love how it played out like Juleka is the "oddball" of the group yet irl THEY are the oddballs

I wish this show had gotten canceled in the first season just so another team could pick it up and make it justice

​@@barbararab6390that's not how cancelling works, it should have done like just barely well enough and then Disney may have been willing to sell the IP to another studio, if it had gotten cancelled the show would've been dead. (edit after 9 days because I feel like I need to explain it a bit better: if the show had gotten cancelled it would have been because the show had done so poorly that it wasn't profitable to keep making it. Thus no other studio would've been willing to buy the IP either because why buy an IP that obviously wouldn't get them anything. If the show did just baaaaarely well enough that it's not logical to cancel it, but it's also right on the border of if it's that profitable to keep making it either, then Disney would most likely be willing to sell the IP)

yeah and it also shows the massive misogyny: Adrien is SO MUCH MORE worse than Marinette EVER was and the fact people aren't disgusted by him and think he's an angel is proof of that (TLDR for why Adrien sucks: He's a sexual harrasser who can't take "no" for an answer and is continously harassing a girl who has told him MANY TIMES she is not in love with him and SHE is framed as the bad guy for this because how dare she make him sad, he just can't HELP his loveeeeeee. This is so much worse than Marinette because this is a show geared at little girls, it is teaching them if a guy will not stop harassing you it's cause he geniunely loves you and your feelings don't matter at all.)

What does Mary sue mean?

@@J0k3risXD Mary Sue is a fictional female character who is perfect in every way and has no flaws whatsoever.

​@@milenazon6724 Ohh okay

@@asherville7163 to be far that's a side effect of how the writers portray his crush strangely. They tend to over blow love into uncomfortable but the main reason he's liked is because of his background, being a cat and the fact that more often than not he's sidelined despited being the other half of the title. Also he doesn't always act like that😅

Sort of

@@MGory828I say kid friendly because she never killed someone or any adult rated stuff but still has the unhealthy love for Adrien like a Yandere

@@area52ron fair

If Marinette were a Yandere her theme song would be "This is Love" by Air Traffic Controller

@@hdnallstars4471 yeah

Nah she’s the main antagonist

Not even a best superhero at that Spider-Man will always be goaded over Marinette who use her powers irresponsively because where is great Powers great responsibility do you even see that in that episode

@@MGory828glad you don’t watch dragon ball z

@@CoffyThecat what dragon ball is the best and marinette this video explains

@@MGory828 what do you think of steven universe and star vs the forces of evil?

OMG,you took the words right out of my mouth

In a certain way, it almost sounds like what happen lot of time in real life...

Yeah it’s pretty hypocritical

Glad you realized that isn’t an excuse. Male or female. Stalker regardless means they are creepy AF

I mean I was gonna say wait until you encounter the 45 year old Brazilian woman I was stalked by who threatened to forcefully impregnate me when I was 17 for a picture of a necklace on Instagram and only fled cause of a good timed cop siren after I threatened her for flying over to the states and to my house when I never talked about it once, but glad you get it regardless.

Of it makes you feel better, its not just you. I watched a whole series as a kid about mennwho were stalked, abused, and some killed, by women they rejected. Every one of them tried to go to the police for help snd was laughed at and called a baby.

To be fair it took me a while to catch on she was displaying stalker tendencies too😶

@@gracekim25 same

Good reason to vent

@@MGory828 Hell, that whole arc could've been interesting IF IT WASN'T JUST TO TURN CHLOE INTO THE SPAWN OF SATAN If they made it during season 1 or 2 then it would've been in character for Chloe and would've helped both her redemption arc and Marinette's arc of coming out of her shell of terror But Astruc is just incapable of making an actually good storyline with likeable characters or just ANYTHING positive

Dude I thought I was the only who hated it too! I also left because of not only her but for the rest of the show because of how it made me both angry and confused! Like why would you leave a interesting guy who actually cares about you only for you to go for a guy with daddy issues who should have had CPS and cops called on, and with her stalking and other problems I was like "Good thing Luka dodge a huge bomb on her" for me the only reason I watched it back many years a little bit of middle school was because of Luka, his sister, Rose, and Zoe who I always found better and interesting characters. But no instead people were like we want Marinette x Adrien! Yeah no offense but I really hated that and I'm like really!? What about their adventures?! What about Marinette learning a lesson from all the consequences she caused!? What about oh idk maybe whole show!? I don't know why Miraculous is even popular still?

I love how the writers decided to throw shade at Chloe fans by saying her trauma is no excuse for her bad behavior... in the EXACT SAME EPISODE where they would proceed to get people to excuse Marinette's bad behavior by saying it's because of her trauma. Make it make sense

Exactly! It’s a good thing I never watched that stupid episode!

OMG, same!!

I hated her the entire show

I only kinda liked her in the first episode, but when the other episodes came I realized she was a complete stalker

So true❤

She betrayed me, she doesn't deserves my respect after what she did to André and Chloe, what a unforgivable monster she is...!

Just to explain: that arc was not Thomas’ doing 😅 you can sort of tell by the writer names of the episodes and the knowledge of Thomas loathing Chloe with a passion 😶

@@gracekim25 Thomas still hates her tho, & he refuses to believe she had a redemption arc.

@@d4red3v1l8yeah i guess he just completely ignores what season 2 showed😅 I wasn’t saying Thomas stopped hating her, I’m saying having the knowledge of this fact explains why Season 2 was so different 🤷‍♀️ hope that makes sense (and yeah…that rumour of Chloe being based on his bully is likely true😳)

​@@gracekim25Wasn't she based on a really bad boss he had when working on a show? To me that makes more sense.

If Mari is Astruc’s fictional golden child then Chloe is definitely his scapegoat.

Good timeline

And you do feel bad for Cyrus the Great after all just talking about this show would have caused him to lose most of his sanity ages ago besides that he don't care at the show continues running the only thing that matters to him is for the show to finally end and hopefully get canceled because that's the only real way to save that show is cancellation

right? SM developed from annoying as hell crybaby to "OK, I got it. I MUST DO THAT" type of girl. Even in 90' series where they underrated all charas to make it more for kids none of the characters were as marysueish as Marinette

Fr, fr. Ron Stoppable, despite being supposed to be the silly sidekick and less capable than Kim, is actually treated with more respect than Chat Noir, who is supposed to be Ladybugs Partner. Ron gets several episodes, in which he saves the day, his own arch enemies and several special talents of his own. The entire KP movie is actually about how important Rons help is and how Kim isn't as effective without him. Meanwhile poor Chat Noir doesn't even get to be a part in the season 5 Finale. It is also really weird how Kim is both more relatable and less of a Mary Sue than Marinette, eventhough Kim is supposed to be extraordinary and ridiciously talented. Yet the KP series let's its maincharacter actually struggle, not only with her villains but also with belivable teenage problems and gives Kim real consequences for messing up.

@@regenbogenwolf True. Despite all of Kim's talents and the tagline "she can do anything", she struggles a lot. She isn't perfect and many times, she needs Ron and/or Rufus to aid her. Ron is just called the sidekick but like you said, even he gets more respect compared to Chat Noir (the show says that he and Ladybug are equals but that isn't true. He's more often used as a punching bag/meat shield/victim to be used against LB). Also, the romance between Kim and Ron is SO much better.

More like blame Astruc. And congrats on first comment

@@MGory828 thanks m8.

@@MGory828thanks for your good videos my brethren.

They did surrender to the Germans in World War II. There’s a why they’re called “Cheese eating surrender monkeys.”

As a French, I approve this message 👍

Good quote

Yeah, that's from "To Be Human" by Marina, right?

Nope not true only the American fans are toxic like that like every country outside the USA likes it if you don't like a FRENCH show made by a FRENCH creator go write your own in your American way.

So true 😞

@@lucasgachalife0 yeah

You know what Marinette could have benefited from her parents that they went to Shanghai they would have told her about Shanghai culture her people they could even teach her how to speak Chinese having a focused time on her and her family so that we can see more family Dynamics with her like we should have gotten in that Shanghai movie instead of her obsessing over Adrian

BWAHAHA I REMEMBER THAT LMFO XO

And getting upset when that one girl (I forgot what her name is) stole her miraculous she was crying like “how could you?!?!” But she has stolen herself for her own gain as well.

@@JustinJulian-bq8vm They could've even done it as a Chinese New Year's special where her parents finally raised enough money to visit Sabine's parents for the celebration but Marinette is worried that she won't be able to connect with her maternal grandparents since she doesn't know much about her Chinese heritage.

As if it were her only chance to ever see him or something . . . like. Girl. HE SITS THREE FEET IN FRONT OF YOU EVERY DAY. Just talk to him at school. You know, like a normal person

THIS!! It’s the fact that Marinette (and really the other characters too) don’t get to showcase their interests and passions like normal people! It would’ve been great to see more focus on Marinette’s passion for design and learning more about her heritage but Astruc chooses to just focus on her stalker tendencies ☹️

I think the writers forgot about Marinette’s interest in fashion. In season 4, the Wishmaker episode, Marinette said she wasn’t sure what she wanted to be when she’s older which was strange because you think she wanted to be a fashion designer but, I don’t remember that interest being mentioned in the entire episode. It makes me wonder, when even was the last time she was shown designing clothes?

@@Sparklecakes13 Season 5 Episode 19 when she showed her sketches to Gabriel, but I do see your point and I completely agree.

@@utahsrainbowsprinkles But here's the thing as well: there is an ENTIRE WRITING TEAM and not one of them ever decided to make Marinette less of a creep.

Exactly 😅 it’s like they forgot she’s into fashion or that Gabriel us a fashion designer

That would save Derision ngl

Who did she just broke out of Magakuma? When Chloe broke out of akuma (before darkness consumed her) she had a breathing problems. Marinette should have get a heart attack from something like this!

Absolutely

Yeah but then she gets mad when Lila lies?😭 I might really hate Lila but it doesn't make sense how Mari gets mad when Lila lies when she's told a ton of lies just because of Adrian

@@caitlincabzz0918 Marinette and Lila are very similar yet they hate eachother I honestly find that interesting, it would be cool if it was expanded and important in the show

Yeah I feel bad for Luka who actually cares and loved her! But she chose to be toxic and decided to go after Adrian! I say this: "my guy Luka dodge a huge bomb" and I hope the show does get a ending where it's over and as time goes by no one will remember Miraculous! Is that harsh? Yes, but is it the truth? Obviously!

Yeah man I do feel bad for a parents because they would have needed that money so that they can take Marinette to Shanghai so that she can understand way more about herself and her heritage from her mother's side of the family but instead she only went there because of Adrian and that's it and if you've done the same thing with your parents about using that money to go with your crush instead of understanding your own heritage then you are just a bad rotten person and I wish Marinette understands that Luca will be there for him like after all he does love her and he is not a stalker he's just a regular dude who is just chill you know Luca will be the type of friend that you can chill out with why he gives off a bunch of Good vibes whenever he does his music someone who can be a best friend for life or you can be vulnerable with because Marinette and Luca did have that moment when she was vulnerable but she was more open with it and not being stuttered like she was with Adrian that's a ship that will work so well if the main writer will ever decided that Adrian and Marinette do not work anymore as a ship it consume most of our time and it's so damn tiring it just gets repetitive real fast when a ship doesn't succeed

I’d like to see them try. It’s not going to work. And I can say from experience. I know from the shows I’ve watched when a character is truly sorry for their actions. Marinette is not one of them.

I am a man who adores chaos

@@MGory828 Ah yes, a man of culture you are

@@Winter-Hero Indeed

Ah yes, as like lying to your lover about their father who was an evil twat is somehow better than....I don't know.....TELLING THEM THE TRUTH!? The show made me hate Marinette by season 3 and seasons 4-5 have doubled down on the hatred of her (I know that the writers and Thomas made her be that way but....god, she's such an piece of trash, it's sad.

Allow me to quote a Jake Daniels song: “There is nothing that could Save Ya.”

If I got to be honest with you the show itself is beyond redeemable there is nothing anyone can do to redeem this show even Cyrus the Great doesn't have any hope that the show will get any better and besides that he has done a lot of videos on miraculous ladybug and how awful the show is and a quote by him just because it's a kid's show it doesn't mean the bad writing can't be excused

@@JustinJulian-bq8vm Honestly, I agree with both you and Cyrus the Great. Low-key saw it when season three premiered once upon a time ago. Not many will agree with me, but the only reason why people continue watching the show, it's for Adrienette's canonization, the reveal and trashing Thomas's writing decisions.. Honestly, the only thing saving this show [besides the fanfics, rewrites, comics and redesigns] is Thomas Astruc and Jeremy Zag rebranding the entire series.

I mean it's astruc's daughter, no wonder she's so bad

⁠@@UnholyGrave834​​⁠​⁠ Actually I can assure you that most people WILL agree with you. In fact most miraculous fans simultaneously hate the show. And in my experience a lot of people don’t care for or like Adrienette so it’s really just to see a terrible show continue to crash and burn.

Yeah man kratos is a better character than Marinette for one he has done a lot of fuck up as well it has done a lot of terrible things even though everything that he has done won't be forgotten he is trying to make amends for his sins and actually confront his past to learn something from it how to improve yourself use your path as a lesson about how to be better in the future that is the true message of God of war Valhalla and he does own up for it even though people are never going to forget that and some may not never never forgive him but he is trying his best to be a better man and a better father because he is a veteran who has finally take a break from doing wars and not trying to get into fights anymore and with the blades of chaos kratos can control on how he uses them now than he does when Aries controlled them and that's a sign that your past doesn't control you anymore

This is a very good point and if the writers get good for some reason this would lead to a break up and character development in season 6

Precisely 😅 it’s why I’m grateful for the miraculous movie

And some people wonder why we don't like Show!Mari anymore.... Oh noooo, Kagami gained the idiot stick treatment since season 4...

she has if the flop of Adrien will be akumatize and destroy the world again like in CB and ephemeral.

the difference between her and (Nathalie, Felix, and Kagami), she the less interesting

Yesssss😂

Agreed 👏🏼

right?? Instead of this she fucking stalked her only friend from back then. Honestly if her character was written in the right way class would have a lot to make up for not defending her against Chloe and I'd be like "you guys wanna powers?? Too bad! Jocqueline is the only one who gets it"

Further proof as why she shouldn't be Guardian. As she hands them out like candy when they are powerful and potentially DANGEROUS ARTIFACTS!! For all she knew, they would've tried to keep the miraculous for themselves, told someone else, or sell the miraculous for money. A better story would have been if the miraculous kept getting lost over the centuries and the holders keep finding them by chance.

@@user-oy6he1qs8b I like that, like Juluka and Luka could have found there somewhere like Luka finding it in his moms attic that she didn't know and that is where the Snake Miraculous would be there or Juluka finding the Dragon one on a field trip and Zoe finding the Bee somewhere else before she came to Paris like those I think would make sense because think about who's to say they wouldn't make better Guardians than Stalkernett! I like your idea!

Tbf about the "CN is a sidekick" thing,that was a thing long before S4, see how CN gets locked out of the loop on basically everything Miraculous-related. From the get-go the narrative was favoring Mari.

If the movie ever gets a sequel, I hope they could bring back the OG Team Miraculous from S2. After S2 they just started doing way too much, plus I'd love to see Queen Bee get a satisfying redemption. Might be a long shot, but I'm hopeful

All of this!

I don't think there's anything wrong with having more super heros because we get to see the other powers and what they can do

@@rentacop7038 Sure. But there has to be a limit, having say 4 or 5 as a Miraculous team is good,but having more than that just cheapens the specialness of the Miraculous and it makes it harder to focus on the heroes both individually and in terms group dynamics. A problem that the show clearly had and the movies can easily avoid. The only time IMO that there should be any more than that is IF you wanted to do evil/antagonist Miraculous users as a rogue gallery or Miraculous user civil war(a la MCU's Civil War) Which honestly,I'd be down for because the show really underutilized that potential plot thread despite how much Miraculous were given like candy.

Her karma will be beautiful

But someone with PTSD would react to the place or certain an event that gave them PTSD in the first place because PTSD people wouldn't be stalking and like I said that is just you being creepy

@@JustinJulian-bq8vmyeah the show’s writers doesn’t seem to understand how PTSD works 😅

Alexa, play Karma Police by Radiohead.

​​@@Waaagh40KRed Heck yeah!

LOVE that idea

@@phylesenavidad5714 I'm glad!

Me too! It would have been amazing to see them bond and becoming a couple or just a pair of besties (much better than you know who) Though Kagami being Adrien's wingwoman....that would have been fun too

@@aria-fantrexian5574 I don't know what ship you ship, but I personally ship Adrigami, and would have LOVED to see Chat Noir confiding in Ryuko about a girl he likes, (Kagami), and Ryuko giving advice on how to win this mystery girl over, all the while being oblivious as to why Adrien has started to flirt with her in really specific ways. Like, Ryuko is like, "You.. Should give this girl some flowers, maybe. And try looking into the meaning of the flowers, she might like that," and then the next day she gets some pink camellias from Adrien, who's gone online and found this random website for flower love languages and is trying to figure out which flowers means "I love you" in a poetic way.

Oh gosh you’re right 😳 Kagami’s mother doesn’t even have blue hair, they just purposely make the cool Japanese girl resemble the main character 😅oh boy

fr

Wasted potential at its finest

@@MGory828 yes, but you are forgetting .. adults making a cartoon for adults ,,.. i forgot to count the number of times i cried since season 3 , over marinette having succeeded in stopping Mr Agreste ~ shadowmoth from exposing everyones dreams , then getting no memory,, but no way of expressing emotive joy that her friends fell in love .,, but marinette has moments of not being able to be herself ,, tha Agreste family , Bouguese family are share holders of companies so yes Marinette spying as a commoner is legal.,, as ,marinette is nullifying Hawkemoths use of illegal insider knowledge , marinette is more a court judge.

@@acewickhamyoshi8330 sorry i'm confused by your sentence....could you phrase it in a clearer way please? also every cartoon is made by adults😅

@@gracekim25 ok,, so as admin to many pages ,, after a while ,, one just dissapears offline as superhero job done .. no need to return ,,.. but from what i know ,..Hawkmoth / shadowmoth Monarcs perspective he is the kink finder ,.. but since our,, i ment marinettes kink is to be alone free of Adrien , a parent forgets their own family .. mr Agreste would know all that Adrien searches online ,, or is that Natelies job,, i wonder since Marinnette or Master Fu set up their internet ,, is Cat Noirs staff phone on French Wifi ,, hmm so many future storylines ..for 30 years time,.. so marinette is undetected til the miraculus is passed to the next person in 2065.. and marinette is in retirement

You know your videos make us realise ,, the more we discuss a disney show the more the bots try to interprete our discussions,, no wonder disney will keep the franchise going ,, i predict that we all contribute to the fandom ,.. even though i write elusively to confuse a bot .

Yeah 😅 agreed

Yeah save your sanity and not watch this dumb show it's the only way it can be safe is by not watching it

I save my sanity not watching s3, s4 and s5 Glad I fucking did-

Yeah! There is zero excuse for that male or female.

couldn't agree more. When I saw this I was 'WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?!"

That's just zero excuses for anybody of any gender to stalk someone and I cannot condone it at all

Nu uh!! How else will the Ovary Protection Propaganda be spread??

IT WAS CREEPY AND WEIRD, but she didn't know it was Adrien so it's a real s3ggsual assault.

REAL. They deserve each other. Not Assholenette

they're *cousins,* aren't they?

​@@christopherbravo1813 No. No they are not.

@@Agana_Bloodshed Right, I got Luka mixed up with Felix. My bad.

As a Lukanette shipper, I approve. Lukadrien over Adrienette ANY day. 💙💚

Welcome to MLB

Chat noir being assassinated is by far the worst thing this series has done. Would rather they had at least kept him as comedic relief like season 1. Now he’s just.. bleh

@@exoticeditz8863 the creators ruining chloes redemption arc still pains me

That’s a miracle

​@@MGory828which is ironic, isn't it MIRACULOUS Ladybug?

Fans know how to write better than professionals in this community

The mlb cast are nether professionals nor writers

Is there some sort of app or web site where I can find Miraculous fanfictions. I have heard so much good about them & they have sounded interesting to me.

@@nameless6232 I would recommend ao3, it has an amazing filtering system so you can find what you want and filter out what you don't like. I've also found some good stuff on tumblr. Hope you find something good!

@@nameless6232 archive of our own is a good place for it

That’s MLB

​@@MGory828yeah but still I think Luka and his sister were more interesting and I feel like Luka should have gotten justice because he actually genuinely cares about Marinette and even was fine with her not liking him back! Bet yet the creator decided to ruin that, for me I rather learn more about Zoey, Rose, Luka and his sister than Marinette and the whole show, I know it's an unpopular opinion but Luka, his sister, Rose and Zoey was the only people in the shos I like, again unpopular opinion I know

Not only potholes. Like I'd trust someone who I call my best friend and not some new girl that I just met. If my best friend told me "watch out, she lies" I'd ask "wait, why do you think so" and not "naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"

She’s a mess

The Scarlet Lady AU felt like what the writers had in mind for the characters and it just didn't translate well from concept to screen writing.

I'm so annoyed with the show to the point I haven't watched the special but I trust you

Yes sir Marinette and Caillou belong in this category of being God above their own show they going to do what they want treat their friends and parents or siblings like shit they don't get the stuff for the consequences that they get and they get rewarded at the end instead of getting punished I never like Caillou for its theme song how the character was portrayed and how he treated those around him and why do people even make him if I were to go back in time in Canada then I would have make sure that Caillou never existed then we wouldn't have many kids that are just like him

Hands down.

@@MGory828 LMAO I didn't even know you liked TOH lol, I just saw the title and wanted to gas up my goat

Luz for the win! Though I'd add Eda, Amity and Willow as great female characters into the list

@@mmmrrreeeooowwwthecat8183 Been a fan for over a year. Even made my own story for TOH

@@aria-fantrexian5574 also good choices

so basically BOTH marinette and Lila lust for him

@gracekim25 yeah they are definitely lusting for him

It doesn't even matter if there's lust involved or not. Obsession isn't love. Stalking is just people acting on obsession

@gloop7458 yeah I feel like she has an obsession with him

@@gloop7458I know. My point is that both girls think it’s love when it’s actually lust 😶 but yeah stalking is wrong 😣

Yeah 😣 he became too power hungry…which would have worked better if it was written well

Can you tell me what miraculous it is that will give you any power that you want and if you do please let me know because Gabriel could have used that miraculous to give himself the ability to resurrect his wife instead of taking the ladybug and cat noir miraculous so that way he can finally bring her back and then we can understand her more as a character because we're tired of the mystery of what his wife is still in comatosis that's been happening for way too long now can you please just give us something that we hope for right now is for Adrian's family to be important

Well at least Natalie called him out on it

The movie really felt like a breath of fresh air

Plus the main leads gained injuries in the movie! (Curse you whump fanfics!)

@@aria-fantrexian5574 AND, Gabriel got arrested! And not turned into a hero like in the season 5 finale.

@@selmabm3409 i was so glad Adrien was present when he was unmasked in the movie

@@gracekim25 yup and movie Gabriel apologised to his son instead of yeeting him to the stratosphere like his show version

Glad I can help

right? I really had enough of her crazy fans literally attacking me verbally when 4th season was aired just because I was freaking saying what I saw!

Just being honest I don't hate Marinette for being a character I just hate the way that she is written and that's why people do not like Mary Sue's they just hate the way that the characters are written not hating on the other gender itself because that is the main issue with these characters

​@@fynchan11of course because she is a fictional character and it's really very pathetic to get this worked up over a character that is.not even real....

Evil?

@@dylansharp8471 yes. EVILLLLLLLL

I speak the truth

Wait, wait, wait, as a Christian, I need you to back up. Thomas Astruc, that egotistical man written Jesus Christ as a past Ladybug??? YET HAS THE AUDACITY the utter audacity to claim Marinette is the best? What?! That's utterly ridiculous! Utterly ludicrous!

Wait sorry one of the ladybugs was Jesus?😮 that honestly sounds cool. I’m guessing by Saint you mean Joan of arc right?

@@gracekim25 Yes I mean her. About Jesus It was,If I remember correctly,on a post of his mentioned. Also in the photos when It was talked about the Miraculous and the previous hosts it showed some famous figures as past holders.

Are you certain its Jesus, not Jeanne D'Arc?

That choice will forever be disgusting

i feel like at this point they should've cut the stalker plotline out because it adds nothing but...derision..and that's just a pond of bad writing

@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagelthat’s my fear too😣 especially when young children watch it too😢

@@gracekim25 I remember i heard a mother ban the show for their kids because of Mari's stalking what is interesting to say the least

@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel honestly I thought mari's stalking could have been a good shock lesson because most of us are in mari's pov in the show. we generally understand her thought process and how she explains or justifies the behavior to herself and because mari is generally a good person who is cute and helpful and awkward but means well...we don't see her as a threat...her friends dont see her as a threat either and think its romantic or let it slide because they trust her character. but I though it would have worked where mari gets away with it and not realizing the issues in her behaviour for a while...just for it to blow up in her face where adrien finds out mari has kind of been treating him like a celebrity crush. that she'skindof treated him as a love interest first anda friend second fearing the friendzone...how its easy to tell yourself its not abig deal when your anonmous and the crush doesnt know so you think your not bothering them... where we see side affects from her NOT being honest with her feelings and lying to his face...like if anything I felt adrien had put civilian mari on a pedistal because he thought she saw him properly...when in fact her rose tinted glasses often warped her view of him a bit. the show directly has adrien face consequences when he messed up or does something wrong in how forward and open he is about his crush...where usually LB calls it out directly or the show punishes him more directly... but always has him realize where his action was wrong. while mari holding back her feelings, doing stuff whre he can't see it, collecting info from afar on the surface seemslikethe better choice since its not bothering adrien like how chat's way bothered LB....but then they culd have a shock where it catches up to her and it blpows up in her face where he genuinely does get pissed and hurt. over how she handled it. and it points out the negatives from how mari handled her crush..like her not having a proper accurate picture of who he is in her head because she struggled to talk to him properly...and how her view aboid looking down on the friendship part for fear of a freindzone and jumping steps could have issues. and how even if your feelings coem from a sincere place..handling it the way mari did could make your sincere feelings come off as shallow where its more like a celebrity crush type. it would work as a contrast to eachother like yin and yang and have more impact becuase alot of us DO not realize how far we goa times and how its easy to justify ourself or others to enable and not call the behaviour out because WE think we are fine/believe we are being harmless. but then the stupid episode of ehr repressed trauma came to try to justify and explain it when mai being afraid of vulnerability so collecting info from afar IS already relatable and ow plent of teens can act around a crush! boundaries can be hard to realize when its alot easier to collect info on people now adays

Sailor mars , Bennett and Xingqiu from Genshin impact as well , I think killua too

​@@kitsuneayanodon't forget Shantae and Risky Boots

@@kitsuneayano Also Darkness from Konosuba.

Implying?

@@dylansharp8471 that it’s okay to stalk someone if you have a tragic backstory.

Basically

same here. When I see optimistic people I used to think "awe they're so cute despite everything they keep smiling" but now "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU"

​​@@fynchan11 I don't see a problem with an optimistic character. I really like these types of characters, tbh. But with Marinette I'd say - I didn't see her as an optimistic "genki" girl anymore, because when I got to watch the show further, all her nasty qualities got me really off-putted. Spitefulness, unreliability, hypocrisy, cruelty, obsessiveness - you name them. Worst thing about that is that the creators refused to make these flaws "flaws". Marinette is getting off the hook because she "realises" her mistake, or the person she is spiteful towards deserves it, or anything else convenient to the plot. That's disgustingly unsatisfying and annoying.

Chloe is a monster let's admit. We're not saying Marinette isn't.

Indeed

Definitely same

Yeah same

exactly

And they made Fu so pathetic. Like an anti zordon. He’s suppose to be much older and should’ve been smarter than that. Like imagine if they used good writing to have a fail safe plan and it actually came to me today. Say Hawkmoth did find him before the mess with Chloe but the box he had was empty and a fake with not sensing the miraculouses anymore, leading Hawkmoth to believe he’s been chasing after a fake or decoy all this time. When in reality Fu had the kwami’s hide away in time without renouncing his guardianship. Can also give him time to finish his training and for the heroes to seek outside help.

as someone who's watched the Miraculous movie myself.... he might be waaay better than Thomas in every way... but he still has a long way to go with his writing skills

Bet!

SS4 really tanked this show

Luka deserve someone bether than Marinette

@@user-xo3eb4li6qfr luka deserves better

Agreed this is why I prefer Luka over her! He deserves justice!

Give Lucas that respect he also needs Justice and also most of the conflicts in the show are caused by Marinette when the victims get akumatized

Yeah you have a point there🤔

Yeah. Honestly I might even have less than that; probably 5 or 6 at most. There should not be enough miraculous for everyone in the class to get one.

There were only 3 seasons, but the show got extended to now having at least 8.

@@dangerbuffrockyyeah season 5 was originally going to be the last and then potatoes

​​@@gracekim25 They could have just finish Gabe as Hawk Moth by season two and make the following seasons lore-heavy but noooo...

Good choice

Damn right

Especially at 20:13 - 20:45 & 49:20 - 49:39 Those are comedy gold in my eyes.

Gender don't matter on who gets stalk both are equally creepy either way

Other than that, there's also Animestro where Marinette teamed up with Chole to stop Kagami for bonding with Adrien which.....WHY!? (Ignoring the fact that Tommy would have been writing Chole being bad on purpose because he doesn't know how personal growth works). Marinette doesn't try to be friendly or just help her parents because apperantly she thinks that Kagami is as bad as Lila when she's not (sigh....what a jealous dog)

@aria-fantrexian5574 I hate that episode because Thomas is being a big baby in it just like in real life. And the writing for that episode is horrible.

@@katelynallison6036 Exactly! Maribrat is a jealous witch for treating Kagami like that

No one talks enough about the diamond dance because girl literally snuck into an event, stealing Zoe identity, made a scene, just so she could tell Adrien something she could’ve told him the next day at school

@@katelynallison6036eee 😅 I’m not sure how i never noticed 😬

Why thank you

Maybe I will make a power system video. That can be good content

@@MGory828 my head hurts just thinking about it also a fun fact remember when Alex became time tagger when she accidentally rolled over the clock you know the miraculous that is invincible

​@@MGory828 Yes please!

​​@@Keith_Norman The show for sure made a retcon after season 1. It was supposed to be a normal pocket watch but naah, it was a Miraculous the whole time....It doesn't make sense!

And I’m grateful for your support.

.......I forgot about that video until MG mentioned it, Jeez Mari....way to be ignorant....even CHOLE knew that Adrien needed a shoulder to cry on

@@MGory828you’re welcome 😊 to be honest the way the show has kinda incoherent lore makes it hard for me to fix it in a rewrite 😅 do you have any tips for fixing the way the miraculous work (especially the rooster)?

@@gracekim25 Don’t make then so powerful, they can end the show

@@MGory828good point 😅

Now you see why I hate Adrienette

Gotcha

I bet she is

yeah SM even in 90' actually had a character development. Starting from not being to do anything and annoying as hell crybaby to girl who could get herself together because she has the sowrld to save and she actually matures. In last season not swoing because superstar likes her but being like "back off I have a bf"

Yes!

is she was like in first and secons season then no but from third one: HELL YES!

Bet the anime and show would be awesome as long as Thomas isn’t latched onto it.

an actual IRL creep. why is this weirdo still finding work??

Basically: Thomas doesn’t ever want her to be akumatised even when it SHOULD realistically happen as you have stated😅

Shut up, Mari is a perfect little princess, how DARE you suggest she have noticeable problems that impact the story. How DARE you act like the good lord Tommy’s creepy ass fictional surrogate kid should have interesting traits. SHAME ON YOU. A POX ON YOUR HOUSE. (Joking, lol.)

Another thing I forgot to say is that the miraculous costumes don't look good the design of them are just too simple and a bit bland like I can give you examples of characters with better costume designs than miraculous Spider-Man Batman iron Man and probably many more but their costumes that they have gained over the years like Spider-Man's iron spider armor iron Man Endosymbiote armor and Batman's hell-bat armor but they need to bounce out the complexities and some simplicity of costume designs so that their design is not too simple and not too complex just something in the balance

And since the miraculous are magic Base anyone who wears the jewelry should be able to change the designs of their costumes every once in awhile because the ladybug and cat noir have the blindness costume designs can they at least change their designs when they do the transformation phase next time

Yeah the backstory should have been about how insane she is getting the more she obsessed with Adrian

Heck yeah! Doc McStuffins and Sofia the First for the win.

Sofia 🔛🔝

Doc Mc Stuffins taught me to always take care of things that are entrusted to me. I knew that theme song by heart. Sofia is just as amazing

Yeah man doc McStuffin and Sophia the first are goated like Cedric being a misunderstood character or Sophia teaching anyone about kindness and like you said for doc McStuffins how to care for stuff that was given to you anybody should be watching them over miraculous ladybug

nope, it's not

I wouldn't either watch miraculous or Velma even if they are bad in their own ways

The problem with Velma is that it's straight up character assassination The problem with Ladybug is that it's character abortion

Sold! Come right in.

Real. I love watching these anti Marinette video essays from various youtubers!

Yep. You’re new here. The show has been trash for years

@@MGory828 that's sad

It’s ridiculous

EXACTLY!! Are we really gonna forget Chloe, Lila and Kagami?? I think imo, it should've been Chloe or Kagami be the main character, heck, we have so many yandere troupes now can we just move on from those by having villains or misunderstood characters to be in the limelight?? Kagami may fit the main character role but I would die if it's Chloe or Lila, those two will absolutely crash the show like villains into good guys or Lila being a villain and recognizing that lying leads her going nowhere and redeems her action by going to mental hospital and the new ladybug would be Chloe or Kagami.

Literally so gross like what the fuck..

uncomfortable, stalkerish, creeped me out like "girl....PLEASE GET SOME HELP"