Mario 64’s Worst Water Stage: Jolly Roger Bay Vs Dire Dire Docks | Level By Level 

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1:19 He's evolving he used to mention Mario in Minecraft. Now he's mentioning Minecraft in Mario.

Pros: Really makes you FEEL like drowning Cons: Too Much Water

The difference is, Jolly Roger Bay is an iconic setting with a great and haunting atmosphere, multiple adventurous setpieces, an use of adaptive music that is still breathtaking (eg. that moment you first dive under the water surface while the mist hasn't cleared yet), mostly inoffensive gameplay that is a relaxing break from all the usual platforming, that one eel that is an absolute legend... And Dire Dire Docks has it going for it that it is a very dire pit that also has a dock. It also has the music being named after it for some reason.

I like how SM64DS improves the first star of Jolly Roger Bay, where the Eel will just come out when you get close to it, instead of having to leave and then come back

I really wish the sub in Dire Dire Docks was used more. If we could go inside and fight a boss, that would be WAY cooler than just climbing the sub. Makes the name “Board Bowser’s Sub” inaccurate. Also, that STUPID HOLE THAT SENDS YOU OUTSIDE THE CASTLE. I want to love this level more; it has so much potential

15:30 pannenkoek explained that the rings geometry is buggy so it is not only your imagination

Hot take: Jolly Roger Bay is overhated. The music and eel definitely carry most of the enjoyment factor for me, but I've never had any issue with swimming throughout the level. The low level of hazards help to give it this ominous, yet comforting vibe as you go through the water -so long as you're not playing as Wario in the DS remake.- I also enjoy the environmental storytelling where the drab gray sky lightens up a little after getting the first star, but still keeps the semi-eerie atmosphere throughout the rest of the level. I know people like to hate on water levels, but I've never had an issue with this one. Dire Dire Docks though... at least it's better than Rainbow Ride. :^)

Even though I'm not too big a fan these 2 levels, I must admit, they have the single best song in the game right next to Staff Roll, it's just so comforting for me that I seriously gotta give them props.

Dire dire docks vs Jolly Roger bay: which flavour of poison would you rather chug?

I always had a soft spot for these levels personally! Although swimming is definitely tedious in this game, the atmosphere, music and theme always won me over lol!

Everyone knows Wet Dry World is the clear winner amongst water levels in this game

The people who chose this over Cool Cool mountain and Snowman’s land don’t believe in winter

Fun fact! The manta ray star is just broken. The ring's visual is rotated correctly, but the rotation for the hitbox swapped 2 of the axes. This means sometimes they line up (like with through the jet stream) but other times its completely perpendicular. Always swim through the dead center to avoid missing a ring.

holy shit we finally got a video that is moderately shorter than the others odyssey is finally understanding how to not yap as much

One thing you can’t argue though, Jolly Roger Bay would make for a great mario kart track (at least for the theming)

Idk why i was so terrified by the most stupid stuff in this game, like Scuttlebugs or the DAMN GIANT HOLE ON DIRE DIRE DOCKS, seriously, that entrance for the submarine used to be one of the most horrifying things ever

Jolly Roger Bay: *Creepy Aesthetic* Dire Dire Docks: *Joyful Aesthetic*

15:21 The manta rings are actually bugged, their actual orientation often doesn't match their visual orientation (sometimes by as much as a full 90 degrees). Pannenkoek has a video showcasing this on his uncommentated channel.

Finally, a video less than 20 minutes! Odyssey is finally doing his job!

odyssey cereal

9:36 I don't know why but for some reason the way you said "There's a box" just be cracking up and playing that part repeatedly

Graduated from college today and we get a Wet-Dry World video, my dinner is gonna be incredible! Love how weird this place is!!!

Thought about making a ranking level for all of the original levels that were made for Mario 64 DS. They all aren't normal level sized, but I think there's some interesting ideas for a few of them, given that the DS version came out almost a decade after the original

18:43 Moral: Mario 64 does a good job at Swimming but the levels weren’t done well.

6:50 This really confused and frustrated me when I played for the first time in 3D All Stars. The DS version has the eel swim out in front of you like you'd expect, and I've played SM64DS countless times since I was like 7 years old so it felt so weirdly counter intuative to swim away in the og version

i had no idea those 5 coins in DDD existed and i've been playing this game my entire life

Your Level by Level series, along with the Deep Dives into Sunshine levels another RU-vidr is doing, are some of my favorite videos. Please, never stop! These are GOLD!

I love how you edit your videos! I always laugh at every reference or funny thig that you edited in, great work :DD

Honestly, between your editing, delivery, sense of humor, and amazing content I’m always shocked you’re not at 1mil.. can’t wait to see you get there 😁

Level By Level comparing the 64 worlds vs 64 DS worlds could be interesting

Bro the big hole in the 2nd area of Dire Dire docks used to terrify me when I was younger. I used to think somethin crazy like a bunch of unagis would come out of it

"I don't hate the star that much" **puts star at the bottom of tier list**

I love the atmosphere of Jolly Roger Bay. The sunken ship that you raise up, the eel, the pirate treasure, the mist. It feels very mysterious and cool with a strong theme. Dire Dire Docks is a boring chore.

Really don't understand the Jolly Roger Bay hate that it gets. The atmosphere and music are really fitting for that level.

Odyssey finally did a short vid 😂

I needed something to watch while on the beach thank you

I will literally watch wathever you upload, I'm addicted

i was expecting a foxy jumpscare when you said "spooky" at 2:03

I haven't watched the video yet, but if cool bowser doesn't make an appearance I will riot

As the one dire dire docks fan, I get why people hate it. But when I think about it, I always think of the time I tried to skip pressing the switch by wall jumping to the pole platforms. I distinctly remember being proud of myself when I did it.

I like the swimming levels. They're so calming and chill. It's a nice break from the platforming.

I literally had no idea that grabbing Koopa shells underwater was a mechanic until like a decade ago when I saw it show up in romhacks. I could never get Mario to grab them when I played on console and just assumed it was a little Easter egg of showing that clams are predators of Koopa Troopas.

If he doesn’t make fun of Rosalina in his 200k special we riot

The eel terrified me but having Boos show up in the castle and the picture that changes from Peach to Bowser were just as freaky.

the eel perfectly growls at me and leaves the ship's window just fine whenever I get to that point.

Everytime i watch these videos i feel like this guy should really become a public speaker cause he has a good personality, sound convincing, funny, and everything needed for a good PS especially in a persuasive speech

@Odyssey Central: In Super mario 64 DS plunder in the sunkin ship they fix that issue by making the eal leave the ship when your near by, but since by then you will be almost out of air, they change the inside of the ship to just one chest to open because of that reason. The Ds also make the rest easier by making the slop walkable, unlike the N64 version you have to swim to the box before it drain, or else your going to have a really hard time to get up there unless you know about crawling, or you spam jump kick in the case of speed running.

@Odyssey Central: In Super mario 64 DS in dire dire dock, it is just called inside the cage, since it is impossible to have metal and vanish cap ability at the same time, since Wario have the Meta ability and Luigi got the vanish ability. But why the hint of collecting both the metal cap and vanish cap, two reason why your metal it will take less time to reach the cage since when you land on the see floor you can move quicker also the other reason is to avoid getting suck out, if you don't align properly with just the vanish cap you will get suck right out and appear outside the castle in the water near the wood bridge, meaning you will have to walk back to the front of the castle if the water is not drain yet, just to go back at the start of the basement just to swim back to that anyoing tunnell, in the Ds version since you are force into using vanish only the getting suck out is less strong.

16:40 i love how u used the new minecraft music here

I would like to have a video on some more of the later game stages like Tall Tall Mountain and Tiny Huge Island. For one reason or another (mainly because I haven’t tried to complete Mario 64 much), but I often forget these stages even exist sometimes.

Wait... People think Jolly Roger Bay is creepy? And bad? What rock have I been undee my entire life? I always saw this a serene mysterious level with beauty ans soothing music. One of my favorites in the game.

Even though I like all the courses in the game, my vote for the weakest goes to Dire Dire Docks. It's really small and doesn't have much going for it, plus swimming through the tunnel 5 or so times quickly gets tedious.

Just have him drink the water 🤦🏿‍♂️

damn for once this isn't like "ranking every texture in mario 64"

I've played and replayed Mario 64 a bunch of times since the 90's. And I did not know until TODAY that Dire Dire Docks had a line of 5 coins at the top!

You should check out the red coin mission in the mario stage in 64ds. Its a similar concept to the collect the caps star.

Congrats odyssey! This is only 19 minutes and 57 seconds and not 20!

Rant time, haaaa, DIRE DIRE DOCS ISNT GARBO because the song, it feels like the donkey Kong water song, it’s just so calming I love it, it feels like the 2000s of the nostalgia, btw thb who am I to say I was only born 14 years ago, like it feels like it belongs in a liminal space com, and I love how scary it is, but I get scared if someone sings RICKROLL IN A DARK AREA, yeah I’m a wimpy kid, but also the green it feels like when you turn down the render thingy, and also water tastes good so that’s why I love the level, oh god is this comment long, YOU BETTER READ THIS ODD IS HE CENSORED, and also the ohnogy guy scared me even tho it was Mario galaxy which scared me, also now that I’m yapin about Mario galaxy I remember when I was 6 and deleted my brothers save file in 2015, oh yeah I played Mario galaxy in 2015 because that Minecraft and pvz were the only games I had, like the comment reply sub to odyssey central or I’m throwing my cult of the lamb fan made Lego kit at you

6:36 WTF??? I have memories of the eel jolting forward at your if you get close enough, swerves its head around, and slowly slithers out. Was that memory wrong? LOL wtf, I see it clear as day in my mind. Edit: maybe I'm thinking of the other eel star, but I SWEAR I remember it with the ship too. hahaha

The hitboxes on the rings from the manta ray are misaligned via rotation. Going through the middle is your best chance on making them count. The sad part about the tunnel that it’s required due to it being a way to unload one zone and load the other. And even then, the second zone is a bit laggy when the sub is in view due to there being too many triangles. Dire Dire Docks definitely needed more work.

A water mobility power up/cap would’ve made these bangers.

(jolly roger bay 100 coin star) oh boy, lemme tell ya about my experience with this one. When I was a kid, I was going for this star, and ended up spending maybe an hour just swimming around JRB stuck at 99 coins, looking for ONE more coin and couldn't find it. I ended up checking on super mario wiki to see it, only to find out that because I missed the one blue coin, I had to restart. needless to say I do not like that star to this day

I have a suggestion for the level by level a Mario 3d evolved game and you talk about and how they evolved from then to now

Sweet stuff

Fyi, the long tunnel in Dire Dire Docks is necessary due to N64 technical limitations. The course is too large to fit on a single N64 map, so they had to split it in two, and the tunnel is a way to hide that the area you left has stopped existing. The tunnel in Wet Dry World is the same.

Does that make the secret aquarium the best water stage? Wet Dry World: What abo- NO! Why? Uh… I kinda forgot about you lol

That’s probably why 64 DS version of Jolly Roger Bay have 128 coins for whatever reason but it still doesn’t change the fact that it a water level

Huh, but snow is water. Doesn't that mean that there's actually 4 water levels? Or 5 if we count Wet Dry World?

I always get nervous anytime I just look at that giant hole from Dire Dire Docks. Why is it even there? What purpose does it serve? It is actually the only thing I remember about DDD. OC, if you really want to play as Dry Bones, forget Smash Bros. and play Mario Kart DS, Mario party 8, Super Mario Party, and/or Mario Tennis Aces. Those games are better. Here's another good video idea: Ranking all main members of the Kong family.

I think you could maybe take into account the order youre supposed to go through these levels. For example Jolly Roger has very basic and simple stars which could seem dull but its meant to be one of the earliest levels so it's basic by design while Dire Dire is going to have a lot trickier platforming and tricks and it's going to be more engaging.

Honestly I think Hazy Maze Cave is much worse just because its so confusing on your first play through

Would Wet Dry World count as one of the water levels?

WE COMPARING UNDERWATER LEVELS WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

random but you should do more livestreams again, i remember watching them in the day

YOU PICK UP THE KOOPA SHELLS?!? I ALWAYS JUST HOP ON THEM AND SURF AROUND WITH THEM.

question: how would you rank the the jet stream stars, and collect the caps by doing them the intended way instead of exploits/ tricks?

Trys to make a shorter video and it still is almost 20 ish minutes

I know this is random, but can you make a video about the Satellaview?

wait. there's a line of coins at the beginning of ddd? I didn't even know that💀

I think it's a missed opportunity to not mention 64 DS differences in every aspect

1:26 mmmmm idk about that, Aquatic Ambience might have it beat

Wet-Dry World is sweating after this video released

We finaly got a short video before the BIG video

I do kinda hate that simply due to video games being so novel at the time of creation that they simultaneously didn't expect people to be skilled enough to get things done fast yet made things blatantly overly difficult or frustrating (these two levels having great examples of both issues)

Dire Dire Docks is the one SM64 level I wish got cut. Funny enough, the first time I got that 100 coin star those coins at the top of the pool where the last ones I found.

I didn't even know you can combine the caps lol

I’d honestly have put Through the Jetstream (both versions) in S tier just for the cheese strat alone. I find it funny.

10:00 Missed cool Bowser opportunity Guess it really wasn't cool enough for him...

This is cool and all, but we need comparison on Piranha Plant Slide, Piranha Plant Cove, and Piranha Plant Pipeline. Petey Piranha would be proud

After you finish thr 2d ranking you should do a video on Banjo-Kazooie. You can do this game justice

Too much water

From my perspective as a speedrunner, I consider DDD to be the worst stage in the game by a landslide. It definitely has some competition from Rainbow Ride, but it really robs the game of most of what makes it interesting, and unlike JRB, it fails to make up for that with a particularly interesting aesthetic or memorable stars. They both have very similar issues on the gameplay side, but among the casual playerbase, *everyone* remembers the Unagi, or the sunken ship, or the treasure hidden in the cave behind those super intimidating falling pillars. Besides the sub, does any casual player ever think, "Oh, yeah! Dire Dire Docks! I loved the two separate stars whose entire gameplay gimmick is to grab the metal cap, which is a rehash from JRB in the first place!" There's also the Manta Ring star, which is literally glitched in an incredibly unintuitive and frustrating way. And while not an issue for casual players, any speedrunner will tell you how DDD100 + Reds is *SUPER* difficult. Potentially the hardest star in the game. All my homies hate DDD

Honestly it says a lot about my hate for Mario 64's swimming mechanics that I put every Roger Bay star in F tier 😁

You should rank all the Mario kart trophy designs. There’s no possible way you can yap about the tanooki Mario on the back of the leaf cup for 20 minutes.

Holy shit you did it, you didnt go yapping for over 20 minutes for once

FINNALY ONE THAT ISN'T 20+ MINUTES!!!!

I honestly prefer DDD over JRB

Odessey:Alright time to make a REAL short video... *makes a **19:53** long video* Odessey:...Yup! Good enough for me! Now to make a 19:49 long video!

12:52 you forgot star #1.5 "board bowsers sub, but you have already grabbed it once so now the sub is gone"