Marisha Ray: Lessons in being a Good Roleplayer 

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So I don't think I ever found fault with Marisha for role play but I was being petty about her combat decision with a monk. However that waa stupid and I do love Bo as a character.

Hi can you give me the link to your profile

Again, I'm in the other d&d amino.

Seriously the amount of people that raged at her during campaign 1 was just weird to me.

Eh more like 13 subscribers no video

PhantomGamer28 it's a future goal not my actual sub count. I changed my name a week ago and I have to wait 90 days to change it back

Yep. Marisha is definitely in the top seven roleplayers in that group. Often in the top six.

Nah. That couldn’t be it.

This comment earns a sub lol

That's some tsundere shit

I too kind of wish he'd stop kissing CR's ass.

Wages of Sinn Why? They’re all great roleplayers who have fun and are excellent examples of how to play the game from an rp perspective.

Wages of Sinn backstory isn’t roleplay. Getting to the table and playing your character is roleplay. You seem like you just violently dislike cr because you’re sick of hearing about it so you’re always going to take the contrarian standpoint

Wages of Sinn will it? Seems like a pretty large generalization. A character who is seemingly a cliche can make decisions you wouldn’t necessarily expect (not that that is the defining factor on a good roleplayer anyways). I’ve seen players who sit down with nothing more than the base backstory and an alignment and they get into character and build it based on their whim and it makes for an incredible character

She also admits in one con that Keyleth was Marisha attempting to min-max a character and make it theoretically the most powerful. To that, she did VERY well, but personality-wise, it’s like Keyleth was miscast. Beau is very much Marisha having 100% fun with a character, and describes Beau as her id. It fits her so well. She was a bit grating at the beginning of the campaign, but I think that was by design because she grows so endearing as time goes on.

Kinda sad if she wasn't able to understand perspectives of other views and opinions before that. she isn't a child.

@@johnx4952 It's not that she couldn't, it's that viewing it from that perspective helps. Acting is an incredible tool to develop empathy in people.

Dude why did you type all of them kayleth?

@@remafanai2555 I think at the time I wrote this, I was still watching Campaign 2. I only got around Campaign 1 at the tail-end of April.

How to make D&D humorous and still serious with Sam Riegal

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How to make a good backstory with Sam Riegal

What are you talking about? That was one of the best moments of D&D fuckery that had absolutely no consequences besides a revivify

@@thelorewriter9460 exactly

With the unique resurrection rules, she could have very easily perma-died. Also, revivify should not work on a splatted corpse cause yknow, it's basically exploded

The only thing that could have been done differently: She could have turned into a bird and dive-bombed, which would have had the same effect Turned into an earth elemental or some other damage sponge, then have a good chance of surviving. I haven't watched the full scene, but as far as I know she misunderstood and thought the water was right under her, not rocks. As it is, she has a legacy now, and that embarrassing moment for the others to bring up and laugh about. None of them are holding grudges, so why is everybody else?

Fritz Darchinger So you pictured a pool of fish blood turning into a pool of Keyleth blood? That makes almost less sense than a splattered fish turning into a wrecked Keyleth. I’ve always pictured it like so; Druid is a bear, bear sustains hefty damage from attack & Druid can’t hold the form - form slips & the slash that killed the bear is simply physical trauma on the Druid. Bruises, internal bleeding, etc. as they’ve protected themselves with this magical form that is essentially an extension of their life essence. So in the Keyleth situation, as soon as that fish hit & sustained such major trauma the magic can’t hold the form & it drops, revealing a battered & bruised Keyleth who drops dead from internal bleeding immediately.

“Don’t worry, we’re gods!” Matt Mercer: Challenge Accepted.

*curb enthusiasm theme grows in volume*

I just can't understand why _anyone_ would not think this a great way to RP a character with a superhuman level of awareness and insight.

Keyleth: “I dive off the cliff!” Mercer: “Hold my beer.”

@@mnm1273 Sorry, I thought my sarcasm there was pretty obvious. Can't blame you though. I'm sure you can find more than a few Critters with some kind of elaborate headcannon they came up with that "explains" why this was genius level RP and not Marisha completely failing to take the game world seriously.

She did say she thought she was going to miss the rocks or something like that.

@@dubbingsync True, but she somehow thought that leaping off a 1000 foot drop was somehow not going to hurt. Don't get me wrong, I love Marisha and how she RPs, but there are often times she just does something she thinks will be cool or stylish without thinking about the finer details. Sometimes it goes well, sometimes it doesn't, and here it absolutely didn't.

@@occultnightingale1106 Wasn't she high enough level...to turn into a bird?

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just saying that forgetting something like that is pretty funny.

@@Dan-qy6zv They were in the mid-to-high teens, so yes, she absolutely was high enough level to turn into a bird. That's exactly why it was funny, and why my point is that Marisha doesn't always think through what she plans. And I'm glad for it, because we wouldn't get scenes of pure gold like the High-Dive if she did.

That, or "how to walk the comedy/drama tightrope" for Sam.

I Live To Fight I love Liam the SadBoi ^~^

"How to write a Twilight character" c:

I'm curious about your pfp, it's like "I'm a trans woman so i put the blue from the flag on grayscale"?

number one: "get the accent down first"

Just gonna paste the same response I gave to the last guy who tried this line. Joffery was meant to be a dislikable asshole and the actor behind it delivered that perfectly. Keyleth's character was delivered poorly and thus became unlikable. That's the difference. If Marisha was doing it right the critter community would unite under the same banner like GoT fans united against Joffery. Instead the character Keyleth is still causing the biggest divide ever in this community.

Jason Swagborn Okay, I'm no critic, so how was the character delivered poorly? I'd always thought it was an admirable depiction of an intentionally awkward character.

@@theswagonborn4164 Delivered poorlyt? It's her fucking character; it's not up to anybody else whether it was 'delivered poorly' or not.

i dont see how trying to cheat ur way out of rules is admirable. And Jack got shit for playing a detestable character so well, If Keyleth is meant to be a detestable character, then i take back my sarcasm, but im sure no one and their dog thinks Marisha is TRYING to play a detestable character. Ppl like Keyleth, but they DONT LIKE Marisha because of the "out-of'character" moments like not reading the spells uve chosen to take that day (not the whole list just wat u chose), etc. All of the Elve characters (Liam, Marisha, Laura) are always trying to "win" and will tabletop game which is frowned upon as cheating. The other 3 dont do that...

I adpi r the actor that played joffrey for his portrayal. Marisha just likes attention but doesn't give it in return.

TypischGideon “immersive comedy”

Still waiting

How to Plot Twist

Hell the fuck o. I want a scan man video

Yea, Sam is one of my favorites as well. He brings so much to the table.

Sam is very smart and good. But "intelligent player" don't fit here. My dude loves the game, but has zero real understanding on the rules.

@@loganfields159 that’s just wrong. Sam remembers certain rules before even Matt. Sure with Nott he got confused on sneak attack sometimes, but he’ll remember a guiding bolt from two turns ago giving him advantage when no one else does. Or remember mythcarver giving disadvantage on the enemies concentration save

@JoJo is not an anime A lot of people are needlessly hostile. You'll know what I mean if you search a bit further down the comments.

@JoJo is not an anime Well she won't read this comment section but there are other places she gets abuse from. Also, compare it to the hate the rest of the cast get. It can only be rivaled by Matt and maybe Ashley. I know people will always disagree with things but some of them don't have real reasons. If you don't like her, it's fine but some people are really vile about it.

@JoJo is not an anime Which poll?

@@ronanhiggz9364 when do Matt or Ashely ever get any hate?

@@ronanhiggz9364 Criticism is not abuse. Yes some people have issues that goes beyond that, but people (in general) needs to realize that criticism can be a positive thing. In the original series I thought her character (not her personally, I don't know her!) was the worst... and while she has a different role in the new series, it's not like her playing really changed much. She seems sweet and kind as a person, and that's great. But as a DM and a long time player, I think she is sub-par with the rest of the team.

She's a DMs dream! :)

I love Laudna, but I think Beau is still my favorite. A DMs dream. A face of the party who has canonical reasons to be taking extensive notes and doing a load of research

Its not really controversial at all

Liaminator Sadly it is controversial, a lot of people give her shit and are so passionate on hating on Marisha and her characters to the point that I wouldn’t be surprised if they went off the series. In campaign 2 I already saw people still bringing up not even big deal shit from Campaign 1.

It's an Eric Andre reference for those who don't know LOL

@@disappointment7463 not a lot of people... a few people give her a lot of shit... the same small group of noisy idiots you even find in this comment section, same names, same arguments lol

@@disappointment7463 never heard anyone trash the cast before.

She bugs me sometimes when listening to the audio whenever she gets excited into the microphone, but when I watch the videos and see how much fun she's having, then I just get jealous :P. She's great.

I think the most bashed was Tiberius

@@tornbubble I'd say it's a toss up. And many people roast Keyleith for being just like Tyberius, yet remaining ON the show. However, while I'm only on episode 45, I've yet to see Keyleith cast a spell on someone JUST to shut them up. And I didn't even know sorcerers HAD silence on their spell list.

@@tornbubble yeah but lets be honest tibs kinda deserved it lol

its almost like shes "role-playing", or something ......

Are you and not your group having fun? If yes you are being a bad player because it's about having fun.

@@dungeonmasterblaster5600 Except they're all having fun, and its not like Matt or the others are above calling out shit when it *actually* gets out of hand. From what I remember, all but Ashley and maybe Sam have done it at one point or another

Yeah. Liam’s acting is incredibly good, and everything, down to his word choice, is always amazing. It would be hard for a casual D&D player to get to that level of acting, but I think there’s tips and tricks you could pick up from watching him.

Nika Salia In my eyes, pal, I prefaced it for a reason.

@Nika Salia monks are an exceptionally varied class, in combat. Outside of combat they have very very few roleplaying hooks or utility. Part of the reason why she can do such interesting roleplay is that the Cobalt Soul path was made to give the Monk out of combat abilities. They can get bonuses to investigation, make a one-person zone of truth, etc.

The One and Only Michael McCormick She did have help from her husband as the Cobalt Soul is pretty good out of combat, and offers alot of roleplay potential to be fair. Edit: a typo.

The One and Only Michael McCormick She’s a talented actor yes, I will give her that.

Nothing shows off a real pro then playing a character I don't know how to.

so true

Grog x mayonnaise is one true pair.

true

@@AtomikaBlerd fuck who do I believe?

Grog X Mayonnaise

I think her being the youngest has a lot to do with it. Also, Matt (who I assume she's most comfortable around) has to DM, and can't interact like another player could to help out. I think Laura senses this and goes out of her way to encourage Marisha too. The awkwardness she sometimes brings, while obviously uncomfortable, is actually pretty refreshingly real I think. Her weakness is the game mechanics, but that comes with time and is the easiest to teach.

Marisha had played the most DnD out of all of them save for Matt

Marisha has been playing TTRPGs since 2008. She’s suppose to be one of the most experienced out of the group in playing DnD. Not that you can ever tell in the first campaign.

@@TheKnight212 1. There’s a huge difference between playing to play and playing to stream, and like OP said, she may have been experienced with the game, but she was the LEAST experienced with acting and putting herself out there for the public eye. I can’t imagine the extra stress it can add to the game, having to be constantly performing on top of everything else. 2. They made these characters not knowing that they were going to be performing them. Not every d&d character is well suited to performance, and I think this may have been a struggle with Keylith being that she has said she made the character intentionally shy since (when their game started) she didn’t know the others. This character made with the express purpose of reflecting her less comfortable relationship (at the start) with the other players now has to be translated to a show meant to entertain millions? I could definitely see where that got difficult to translate. And 3. Experience with the game is not experience with the class. In my most recent game I was a ranger, and I made a hell of a lot mistakes- as someone who has only played sell casters before- despite it being my 8th campaign. Luckily I had amazing DM to help me out and extend some patience!!! :) But even in my most comfortable classes I stick slack on my knowledge of mechanics, because that’s not what I’m good at! I love the story telling, I suck at rules- everyone has their strengths and weaknesses (and some of the people I’ve played with, who have known the rules the best, have been the most difficult to play beside). Over all, I think empathy is a better reaction than the judgment you so kindly offered 🙃. I find Marisha to be an INCREDIBLY relatable player, amongst the ranks of CR, because where the others are seasoned actors learning to play the game, she is in many ways the opposite. Many equate her “cluelessness” to lack of knowledge without taking into account how comfortable she may be in front of their digital crowd vs the others. And we see in C2 and C3 how AMAZING her character design and acting can be when she is able to actually design her character around the knowledge that she will be performing, and not just playing.

@@eckat5 lol sorry all I’m reading here is Marisha asskissing that doesn’t help anyone. Sucking up to her isn’t helping. I don’t need to emphasise with someone getting paid a bucketload of money to play a game and her constantly still drop the ball. Because guess what genius, THIS IS HER JOB so don’t you dare try and defend her piss weak playing when she is literally earning money doing this and she still couldn’t find the time or effort to ever learn how to play the game properly when she’s the most experienced player and also your acting line is bullshit because the continual complaint about Marisha is she is acting to much in the game and trying to MC that shit. Fucking fanboys

not having dry eyes and repressed emotions probably helps..so guess i'm out.

As someone who LARPs emotional characters, getting into the mindset is a huge part of it. You have to get into the mindset that you are not you. You are your character and everything people are saying are directed at you, not the character, while still understanding that it's not personall oog. My character has had a melt down multiple times, once to even get into character due to something that tore me violently out of game (sort to speak). It's a lot of knowing how to control your own emotions and knowing how to express them. I'm not a really emotional person out of game. My character is a cry baby however.

For me it's a combo of physical and emotional triggers. I think about how my character thinks in that moment and I try to trigger and stifle a yawn. Yawning makes my eyes water naturally and the outcome is pretty convincing tears.

A trick I use is unsteady breath

Repressed sadness does work, along with not blinking and thinking about sad memories

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@@feartheghus Disclaimer, the above comment was an unpaid anti-promotion

Yeah. As a character I’ve always disliked Keyleth, but I think Beau as a character and Mariah’s are great! It’s just the internet and gatekeepers doing what they do best.

Marisha*

Too bad druids suck to play unless you're lucky, don't care about contributing to the party, ignore how the class is supposed to be play or have already played one sev'ral timez. Still a great class tho

@@Stupisms I don't find it a good class at all... its way too limited and stereotypical to roleplay, but too versatile as a class to be unique... its literally why none of our players in many years of playing have ever played a druid...

Honestly at a certain point, if the dislike for a character has turned into you shredding cast members like that, you're not a member of the community anymore in my eyes. Only Gatekeeping I approve of.

Do you mean character or player? My table's having a lot of fun having the characters in the party fight over petty grudges while having to pull together to get through the dungeon grind.

Don't be discouraged! DND has a learning curve, but keep having fun! And if you keep RPing, it will bring others up to your level.

If a character is rude, but the player is polite and respectful, you know it's just the character. But if the player is rude and ALSO talks over you, then discuss it with the table! Good players should listen and make sure you're having fun!

it's been two years, still playing dnd?

@@davii2663 I am! I've gotten much much much MUCH better lol I've done about 4 campaigns so far. Favorite has to be the horror campaign I'm still currently running :)

@@MistressHorrors that's great!

Which videos of critical role have Patrick Rothfuss in it?

@@kyleroat1259 I don't know, but I bet Jacob would.

Umm I'm not that far into season 2 yet but who's Traci

Beaus alternate persona

@@soullessmasquerader8420 , don't read any more replies, just wait so you can fully enjoy this one when it comes. Seriously though, as someone who carried a lot of residual Keyleth hate into CR2, Traci was my turning point to really admitting to myself that Marisha is a pretty fantastic and integral part of this group.

Traci is Beau's "straight girl" performance

YASSS

I never understood the Keyleth hate either. What bad decisions did she even make?

@JoJo is not an anime I do disagree with that because for the most part it's just not freaking true.

@@alexanderbering7845 The worst decision in my eyes was that she insisted on conjuring up a skywrite message while there were dragons over the invisible city theyre in. That makes absolutely no sense and it took a lot for the others to talk her out of that idea. Her reasoning was "to warn the citizens", but if the citizens can see the sky, they can also see the dragons. So all that would have done was tell the dragons that they were there. Note: I love Beau and Marisha, but absolutely despise Keyleth.

@@2MeterLP I don't quite remember how they got the word around but usually when a dragon appears in the vicinity, peoples' natural inclination is to panic. Panic would have created noise which would have alerted Vorugal. If there was a message in the sky, telling everyone to stay calm and be quiet, it would help. Yes, it is possible that Vorugal would've seen it, but he's also not very smart so he might not have seen or put 2 and 2 together. I don't exactly remember how that whole ordeal played out, but I understand the thinking behind her want to do that. And she didn't even do it, so why are they mad at something she didn't even do?

Tolryn the Mage she kept going on and on about the dragons being their fault when the party had been told over and over that this was a threat years and years in the coming and had nothing to do with them. Every time She starts claiming responsibility for the dragons I want to scream

It’s because people hate it when a character in any work of fiction doesn’t make the obvious, logical choice. Because every knows that real life humans only ever make logical decisions.

@@addisonwelsh We would never gotten the legendary goldfish scene if she did logical choices all the time, and that's a world I do not wanna live in

@@doctorjay8673 Amen.

Personally my only problem with marisha is her tendency to not read spells before she uses them but that usually only happens once per spell so it's not a thing I care about often other than that she's awsome

I think people get annoyed with her characters at times for being inconsistent or irrational, and extend that to marisha herself when I think it’s probably more intentional than they realize. I remember in C1 times when Keyleth would get all holier than thou with her morality and it felt hypocritical because she’s murdered a lot, including innocents. But that’s the character, and she went on an arc. Sometimes people are hypocritical. But I think people get annoyed because she’s flawed and extend her character’s flaws to her as a person, which is unfair and antithetical to the essence of roleplaying.

Yeah. Aside from nott, beau Is my favorite of the nein for how well her character is fleshed out, how shes a jerk but not unbearably so

People don't like sub optimal decisions sadly, even though it's human, many D&D players grew up on video games where everyone wants to make the best choices.

Honestly I just dislike her characters. Not Marisha herself. She’s good at roleplaying sure, but I just simply do not like her character’s personalities. They’re pretty annoying imo, and I think that’s where alot of the hate cones from, not “jealousy” as you believe. That’s just my opinion tho. Imo the best roleplayer has got to be between Laura, Travis, and Taliesan.

has nothing to do with being female. Laura doesnt see anywhere near the amount of criticism Marisha does. Also Talesin got a TON of hate when he had Molly yell at Nott after they found out more about his past life. Marisha gets criticism because she has shown time and again that she doesnt know how to use her abilities and she gets a bit preachy. like i dont mean she doesnt know that she has abilities, but that she clearly doesnt know what they do exactly. its like she skims through them. remember the first time they "clouded", when she was a druid? her decision to be a monk this time around was clearly in reaction to fans giving her shit for her spell usage.

I haven't watched campaign 1 as well but really like campaign 2 and to be honest I don't know who my favorite character is. In almost all shows my favorite character is usually the one I can kinda relate to but here they're not the stereotypical characters you'd expect. It's as if theyre real defined unique people and so it's real hard for me to pick a favorite because most of them have something I relate to and something I totally can't relate to. I guess in the end it's a toss up between caleb Fjord and yasha.

Roleplay and acting are two very different things in their own right. Guess which one let's you have a script :)

The Swagonborn roleplaying is still acting mate. That’s like saying people who improv a scene aren’t acting.

But Beau doesn't develop throughout C2. She's the same one-dimensional, narcissistic, stubborn person from start to finish. Honesty, she's the worst part of Mighty Nein. Fact!

*broods in German*

@@mostlyhamless1923 Damn you are right.

*doubt*

Thats not at all how it works

@@zennamok5428 eh, gotta disagree. She does a lot of the planning, logistics, and scheduling that keeps Crit Role running and the money coming in for them to keep going. I'm not a huge fan of her. I think that her best RPing is done when she's RPing with herself as the model of her character. This is why I happen to think that Beau is better than Keyleth, though still not a big fan of Beau. If you get the chance, watch the one shot about the Darrington Brigade. I actually enjoyed her RP in that one.

@@digitalplayground8202 I seen your other comments you've made. I really respect your opinion on this and will def watch it. Even if its for the sole purpose of seeing the difference. (:

@@zennamok5428 I just think it shows that Marisha is capable of playing a character that I'd like to see in the campaign. It was funny, I'd known of Crit Role before the Covid, just never got into the campaign. The DM of my campaign had been talking about it and I decided to check it out. One of his comments was how a character called Keyleth got a lotta hate online. It wasn't until I got to episode 12 and 13 of the 2nd campaign that I ever delved into the comments. Those episodes had Beau and Fjord threatening Caleb for taking a spellcase because of the threat of discovery, even though the others had left behind a mass amount of other evidence that the home had been broken into. The first time I ever commented was during on episode 21 of the 2nd campaign. This was because I was pissed at Marisha's actions in snatching the magical nuke from Caleb in order to give it to the random person(who was a guest on the show) they'd just met the day before. The next time my DM mentioned Crit Role, I was at episode 22. I said, "Marisha played Keyleth in the first campaign, yeah?" "That's right," he told me. "I understand why she got a lot of hate online," I replied. I just figure that some people see her actions in a different light. Or possibly they see a lot of themselves in her. I'm not planning on watching the first campaign because I've heard Marisha was worse in that one. Still, beside a few instances such as the episode 10 fiasco I've enjoyed the second campaign. Watching the Darrington Brigade convinced me that Marisha is capable of better characters. Just as long as the characters are pretty close to her temperament. While I understand that these campaigns started from a group of friends playing D&D, like you I don't think that exempts them from criticism. I'm probably more willing to give Marisha a pass simply because I've had players that were a bit problematic but we all still wanted to play with them. Edited because I mixed up which episodes things happened in.

These words will go down in infinity. 😁

@@antonionunez3759 yep

Why would you temp that?

Just get corn, theres gonna be enough heat here to make the popcorn fresh.

Looks like you will be disappointed. The comments are nice. :D

@@LazyVideosGAME thank God, cause I love Marisha and I believe she is a real professional in what she does 😊

@@gtkall She's a real worker, yeah. At least it seems like it, and what she touches becomes gold in my opinion. Outside of roleplaying as well. Well not gold, not to lick sugar out of her asscrack, but she is capable I find.

Grater Good My comment wasn’t super nice, but it was about the drop in editing quality rather than anything about Marisha (who is one of the most badass people I know). :P

And yeah while I missed the point, my opinion mates. Involvement is great. Don't be a moody roguelad

Cosmicgoatee I think Marisha’s characters are great. Once she stopped playing Beau with Keilith’s influence, Beau blossomed! Beau is the reason I chose Monk for my Tabaxi. 😻

you do realise that marisha has had more expirience at d&d then most of the critrole cast. At the beginning she was literally there just so she could help out laura, sam and travis who where completly new. and her "bad" decisions don't come from her being a bad player but from her being a great roleplayer

MrCrazyManiac hey I ain't judgin' Marisha has probably been at this a long while. Nobody's perfect at D&D.

MorallyQuestionable i thought that was tal. AFAIK tal was the only experienced player. They literally talked about his character existing just to make sure nobody died and to keep the narrative going in seasons 1.

I empathize with you. Whilst I don’t think it is necessarily the most amazing thing to do voices and Roleplay etc (I personally like roleplaying). I would think though that no-one should be judged for how they play. (Unless you are directly trying to fuck over everyone of course but that’s just worth mentioning) don’t worry you’re not crazy, you just haven’t found the best group yet. Hope you’re having a nice day when you read this, 2020 is crazy and I wish you safe travels. - Signed a comfortable Perma-DM

I just think she lacked mechanics more than anything... and ya know reading her spells. Not my favorite character but you cant love everyone eh?

It’s about being a woman tho

As a long time bartender with a decent ability to see the stages of alcohol affecting someone she's at her worst when she's drinking, which is most of the time, and only gets worse as an episode goes on.

omg thank you

Burori1 Oh no, other peoples arguments have begun changing your opinion. Quick, close your eyes, put your hands over your ears and repeat after me: "lalalalalalalalalalala"

No dude, he saying before watching the episode, he go to the comment and his opinion towards her became biased

I did the same thing with Orion. I actually didn't mind him that much until I read comments about all the things he did or said in that episode and when I got to those parts I started to hate him for it, but I doubt I would've noticed if other people hadn't altered my perception of him

Yeah but now you did the other dumb thing that everyone says not to do and you watched a clearly and self-admittedly biased video essay.

Lmao

This!

I feel like a lot of people look at some of the mistakes she has made on camera and see a little too much of a person who elected to ruin the game for them. Most players and GMs have run into someone that uses the "I'm playing my character"as a free pass to be an asshole. Marisha's actions sometimes push close to that boundary.

@@SpasticEliteStudios I would agree and honestly I didn't want to bring this up, but if that's what people hate so much, why are there still people saying Tiberius was so great? (And yes there're people like that even after everything Orion pulled on and off the show.) I mean Keyleth wasn't my favorite c1 character either, that place is firmly reserved for Percy, but it really does seem like the people that shit on Keyleth mostly do so because she keeps the party from going murder hobo and presents the others with moral dilemmas (I'm here fresh from rewatching the Whitestone arc over the holidays so that's new on my mind) even if the resulting discussion goes nowhere because those people think that isn't as fun as an actually engaging story or character development.

Jennifer Rogers, I don’t ever really remember Keyleth/Marisha doing anything to be an asshole in C1. I mean yeah, Keyleth sometimes preached of her moral superiority, or made some irrational decisions, but I think that’s part of who Keyleth is as a person. Furthermore, some of Keyleths famous speeches such as “Only big men talk big words that only fail on the battlefield” showcase Keyleth’s awkward transition into leadership. Otherwise, I think Keyleth’s goofs make for some of the funniest moments of the campaign. After all, “we’re basically gods”

I've seen people bitch about things she does that other members are allowed to do with out batting an eye. Like just this campaign people were bitching that Beau has slept with multiple people even though last campaign Scanlan tried to sleep with pretty much anything that moves and Grog hit up the brothel pretty much every other town and in this campaign Molly flat out had an orgy but yet Beau is the one that they call out for it.

Leos Klein A

Leos Klein The weakest was either Keyleth or Tiberius

They've already done one of these for Travis.

mixmastermind And Sam.

Or Liam with caleb

Wait for he time she behaves insanely rude to another character for I see as no reason when they tell her some of their backstory and uses it as some horrible leverage against them

@@GaleGuardians ehmmm when exactly did that happen?

Amy Willis She was incredibly obnoxious in S1. Stealing glory, shouting over people, forgetting what her spells do over and over and over again etc

To be honest, I'm 50 episodes into the first season and I can't recall moments where she's "shouting over others." There's definitely a lot of moments where there's three pairs trying to roleplay at once and all of the mics are feeding at the same volume, and it just ends up drowning out Matt, but that's down to a technical issue and not them shouting at each other.

I see you too are a man of culture

@@Boom-fs2ny I tip my hat to you fellow man of culture.

Monty is basically the best DM story-wise of all time, change my mind.

Superiordude I will not change your mind because you’re right