This concept animation shows just one of many potential concepts for how the first human landing site on Mars might evolve throughout the course of multiple human expeditions to the Red Planet over a decade or more.
This is what we need today, a new "we can do it" project, just like the moon landing was. The 1960s were a tumultuous time. Much like the current is. Many things divided the country, racial issues, the Vietnam war, a generation conflict like none before, but there was the space program that not only gave many people work. It gave people a purpose. They could rally behind a greater goal that everyone was part of. From the farmer in Kansas who could think that his crops were used to feed the astronauts and the miner who could see his ore being used to build those rockets to the welders that built the rockets and the accountant that managed the distribution of funds. Everyone was part of this, and everyone could, quite credibly, say "this ain't going nowhere without me!" We need something like this again. Something that's not only a huge leap ahead in technology, and let's be honest here, what NASA invented in the 60s drove the US economy until the 90s. And I'm not talking about things like propulsion or even computer science, I'm talking about process management, quality management and project management, things that were hardly considered "important" before that were basically invented during those days, at least their methodical use. At best they were "coincidentally" used before, only with the rigor of quality and process planning the moon shot required these now crucial and generally employed management techniques were elevated to an academic, systematic level. And we really, really need that again. Yes, the moon shot was incredibly expensive. And going to Mars will cost even more. But if our flight to Mars is only half as rewarding, in hard US-Dollars, actually, as the moon shot was, the US economy will take over the world in ways we can't even imagine yet. Someone said recently he wants to make America great again. Now, here's his chance.
Very cool, looks like they used some vehicle models from the Kerbal Space program. Awesome none the less, hope I am alive to see the day humans broadcast live images back from Mars!
The Moon has no atmosphere, so being there wouldnt simulate Mars, but we could try isolating people in the desert with the habitats that have closed environment 😎
+Drago Veles You, I like you. I wonder if they'll include that in the growlab just as a tribute to "The Martian"? Probably not, unless potatoes make more sense than any other plant they could pick... :/
Aleks J Probably. Unless they found that the mined water needs even more technology in its processing that the seawater to be de-salted... The problem is that you cannot wait another year to get the technology right.
Absolutely beautiful. Amazing how far our species came and how much further we're willing go. I salute the braves souls that would travel into the unknown for the name science.
+lxCRON1Cxl I accept your salute. I send your salute back for caring enough to take time out of your busy day to place a salute in the RU-vid comments section to all Mars-bound hopefuls.
NASA! ONE THING YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE, the habitat should looker DARKER?! Why? I think you may know why, but it attracts heat, rather than reflects/bounces it off, lighter colours/white will make heat bounce off!! Mars is COLD (sometimes normal at the equator!) so Going to colder regions on the Planet? take my advice, I know this is just an intro/hype video. I like it very much and have hope in the U.S Space Agency to deliver so don't get me wrong. I am from the UK btw! @NASA
Wouldn't the polar regions be better in terms of access to water and fewer temperature extremes? Perhaps if there's any magnetic field left protecting the surface, it would be strongest by the poles. Sun might not be strongest there but I would think solar panels in orbit could beam power to wherever you want to build a base. solar panels might be safer in orbit than on the surface and have access to constant sun.
+525Lines You are most;y right except for one thing. The temperatures are more extreme at the poles. On Mars, cold is the issue, not heat. I like the idea, though.
Why are the different sites so far apart from each other. It looks like traversing between power station, lab, habitation would be a real pain in the backside
Виртуально мы давно уже там, но что у нас на планете во многих уголках - не знаем... Virtually we have long been there, but we have on the planet in many corners - we do not know ...
I wonder how the astronauts will decide who will step on Mars first. Whoever that person is will be remembered as the first man to step on Mars. The rest, sadly will be forgotten...
Plus... It is not exactly true that they will be forgotten. We still remember that there were 3 of them who took part in the first moon mission and many of us recognises their names.
that's a good start but its not good enough to put human on there and keep em there... I think we need to put robots out to build the community and domes the astronauts can stay at... but this is a very good start NASA
+Mark McCombs, "How many . . ." Lots !! According to NASA's plan for The Journey to Mars the SLS Block 2 Cargo rocket will be able to lift 130 metric tons of cargo. All we need is lots and L- O- T- S of money for a few dozen trips.
+Pablo Garcia Abia Tank it. It's not like their instantly lethal or anything. But more seriously, radiation is certainly an issue, but its not an unsolvable one. NASA has a 'maximum career-long dose' (set by some alphabet agency I believe, mostly based on keeping increased risk of cancer below acceptable levels) that their astronauts are allowed to absorb before they're barred from future flights for health reasons. So long as we can put enough shielding on the habitats, rovers and suits that their mission-long dose is lower than that maximum you have a workable mission. We might not be able to stop the most energetic cosmic rays, but if we can stop enough of the rest our bodies can deal with the bits of damage here and there that cosmic rays cause.
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Thank you for taking your time answering my question. I'm pretty sure you know our atmosphere thickness, radiation-wise, is worth 1 meter of lead. You may adopt a compromise in the amount of shielding used in habitats and suits, but still the cancer rate for long term missions will be substantial. Not to mention planned life-term missions. Strong permanent magnets may help, just thinking aloud. Thank you again.
cool concept, though, how do you asseble all of this? how many tons worth of cables would you need to connect all of these remote places? where are all the cranes and transportation vehicles for the separate modules? so many questions.. anyway, hope now that nasa got its funds raised, they´ll finally show pieces of hardware of SLS... remember, without that rocket, none of this is gonna happen...
+Raul Duke Actually... the launch vehicle doesn't matter as much as you think it does. Launching that base in bigger pieces certainly simplifies things, but anything that can reach orbit can work, it'll just be harder and more expensive as the 'assemble in space' phase get's more extensive.
+Susan B I don't work at NASA so I can only guess but... Digging equipment is usually rather heavy, for the weight of something to dig out building-sized holes in the ground you may be able to send slightly heavier 'armor' and another science module instead. There's a whole series of trade-offs engineers consider when dealing with questions like that and I'm not sure this idea has had enough work done on it for us to be sure one way or the other yet.
Probably future habitats will be dug-in, but it will require infrastructure and it will take time. The video shows the initial base, as it seems to me.
NASA needs to develop Space Based Power with the help of the US Navy. The US Navy lives and works with powerful Power Stations 24/7/365 ! Thank you for the video ! tjl
Unless the idea is to build a solar thermal plant for power (And perhaps efficiency if a large enough scale is needed.) I figure it's safer to distribute the solar PV collectors over every installation on the outpost. That distributed and interconnected network is less vulnerable than just one central generating plant. There would also be less line loss if the settlement is spread out.
Only crazy agree to fly to Mars. But as we know all the scientists and explorers are a little bit crazy. Good luck! Do not forget the charger for Nokia :P
Nasa Should first send robots up there who will first build a whole city with 3D printers and collecting minerals and metals and useful stuff from the Mars soil and then when all is already built up only then transfer the first few humans to Mars... These few contains there will not be enough to support life in an emergency situation like fire or breathing air failure...or some small fast meteorites will smash the roofs or break the windows... it should all first build underground to be safe from meteorite impacts also... This small concept is really there to fail... Murphy´s law always hits the first time... Just my 2 cents... Regards, Stefan.
They have all the time in the world, human expedition will be postponed many times (because failure is not an option), and during this time robots will assemble most of the base. Imagine sending unmanned mission in 2030s and humans in 2050s, I think 20 years is more than enough for machines to build a base as small as on this video.
"This concept animation shows just one of many potential concepts for how the first human landing site on Mars might evolve throughout the course of multiple human expeditions to the Red Planet if NASA was adequately funded for over a decade or more."FTFY.
+sluge1 That's what the life support systems are for, most of what they drink/breathe will be recycled, like on the ISS, but newer and better. No system is perfect though so they will need to replace losses eventually, depending on the duration of the mission, they could just bring extra in the logistics modules and head home when they run low, or they could use those ISRU sites. A lot of Mars' surface is covered in rust (Iron Oxide) and the thin atmosphere is CO2, both of those can be processed into oxygen if you have the right equipment and a power source. And ice or brine on the Martian surface (or just beneath it) can be melted and decontaminated into drinkable water. Hopefully that answered your question, that may not be the way NASA ends up doing it, but it's one way they've considered.
+sluge1 The Martian atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide. With very simple 19th century technology, the CO2 , with the addition of hydrogen, can be chemically converted into methane (CH4) and O2. The oxygen can be used for breathing, and it can be combined with more hydrogen to make water (H2O). The methane, when burned with oxygen, can be used as a motor fuel and both can be compressed and liquified to be used as rocket fuel. It might mean having to bring along a quantity of hydrogen, but since hydrogen is the lightest weight element in the universe, the cost to bring it along would make it the least expensive cargo to bring. And, some areas of Mars have been shown to contain water (mostly as frost or ice) which can be melted for water or split into hydrogen and oxygen. Mars has some nice resources on site. Lots of possibilities!
Well since we have managed to get satellites to orbit mercury and send us back the data, I don't think it would be as a challenge from doing it on mars.
Interesting concept. Don't forget the wind and dust that goes on the surface. Plus, the wear and tear of each items that are being used, like the suits, airlock, and the transportation. Why are many units Iike the power unit and such so far away from the main area? Need to remember that it is great to dream, but it is going to very expensive when actual building the habitats. Look at the "International Space Station". It went through many changes and size because of the expense of just putting the pieces up it space. Now, think of going to Mars and trying to build and maintain the same habitat in this design going to cost.
+centaur1a "Don't forget..." That's kind of the full-time job of the engineers and mission planners. They spend 40+ hours a week trying to predict every possible way something could go wrong, be it as exotic as a solar flare or as mundane as wear and tear or dust build up, and make sure the equipment they design will keep the crew alive and healthy through it. This vid, possibly assembled by a media expert instead of an engineer, is intended to be a bit of inspiration and 'look at what could be', not an in-depth explanation to a largely apathetic public how they intend to solve each of the million problems a project like this poses. Please don't mistake the lack of detail for oversight or them 'getting ahead of themselves', you insult the intellect of NASA's engineers if you do.
Very cool! How is NASA going to deal with the higher radiation levels coming from sun? There is hardly an atmosphere and it can affect the computer equipment and astronauts while there. I presume you'll want to use high efficiency solar panels (not what we use on our homes) as the need to have enough energy is more crucial there.
+Chris Sparks Best guess? The same way they deal with it on space probes (using radiation-resistant versions of computers and stuff) and shielding. They didn't show it in the vid but most Mars Base designs have the water stored or circulated through the walls because hydrogen atoms (the H2 part of H2O) are pretty good at making the radiation lose it's energy hitting them instead of the microelectronics in a computer or the molecular machinery inside our cells. _Put's on pedantic nerdcap_ Oh, also, there's not more radiation coming from the Sun in the space above Mars, there's actually less per unit area because it's farther away from the sun, but so little is blocked by the thin atmosphere and almost nonexistent magnetic field that the surface radiation level is higher than the surface level on Earth.
Yes I was specifically meaning the overall exposure to radiation is more than it would be on earth. Only issue with H2O being used would be the potential for freezing? I don't know what the average temperature of Mars is but I am sure that it will pose some tech challenges.
Chris Sparks Yeah but you need heating systems anyway to keep your astronauts alive, but yeah, there's a million little challenges with a project like this, that's why they hire engineers who are _really_ good at their job to design the gear. (And also why NASA ends up creating so many spin-offs)
I read that ~5 meters of soil above the base will shield it from radiation as much as Earth's magnetic field + atmosphere do, does it mean that possible future martian "villages" will be underground? (it seems more efficient since soil is already there and all they need is to dig enough)
+golferchin76 A molten salt breeder reactor doesn't need fuel fabrication or enrichment. Would power an entire colony indefinitely with very little effort. Just make sure you can print out spare parts. Reactor heat can heat the base directly after being used for making electricity. That would contribute to heat rejection to keep the thermodynamic cycle more efficient, you won't need to use electricity to heat the base and less radiators would be needed. Mars is a cold planet.
i have a question to anyone who is willing to answer it nicely...this is not my field of study whatsoever but im curious...so in the video they show the little "houses" where humans will be living along with their "automobiles", if their sending humans to mars in smaller spaceships how is it that they will be able to build their "houses" and "automobiles" if there isnt enough room in their spaceship??? or will robots build all of this prior to the arrival of humans? also i heard there was a possibility of humans living underground..anyone know if this is true?? i have so many questions ...
I think they send the supplies in first with unmanned space flights, just like the Mars Rovers. Then, they send the astronaughts to the same location and they will probably assemble the rover(automobile) first, and the other production buildings and habitation modules later. There lander is large enough to support longer duration life hence is why I think they will build everything bit by bit.
It would be interesting to hear an answer to the question - what for all that? Maybe it's already possible, technically possible. Great! But if you can do smth it's absolutely doesn't mean you have to do it or you should do it.
Not bad but can be improved. why the wheels of cars are smals? wath happen if cant advance because have same smal rocks in front....that dont happen like on the skate? for that its better biker with whels bigers than sskate wich have small whels. another problem its wath happen when come the stronger wind? that wind who can be in all the planet(i see in one video that its possible...scared but impresive). its not better to dig in the gorund and put tha base 50-75% in the grond? the same with the wires from solar panel bury undergrond and ofcourse the solar panel can be packed and stored in sothing like bunker or shild bury when that wind come. And after that when we have a good base ther we can put a big cupola of strong glass or sothing who let the light traspasing and have somthing like greenhouse but for human.
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+Dmitry There is an agent in the soil on Mars which is very good at absorbing water. But we haven't explored Mars enough to know more but we are exponentially learning about water on Mars.
First learnt something about how to live for long time on other object (Moon is good one) and after that bring this experiences to Mars. If you don't do this, you failed.
I can't wait for that day when the first human person sets foot on a foreign planet! 😍🙌🏽❤️ Not like NASA got super powers but they'll make it happen. Hopefully it's a woman tho imagine how awesome that would be for future purposes for space exploration. Almost like Lady liberty but something really cool. 😩
