After this video it is easy to understand how Raikkonen managed to win his first race for Ferrari. It was Schumacher`s car last years, and they had similar driving style, making it relatively easy to adopt to his style. And that is why he struggled so horribly when Alonso was his team mate. Ferrari always has been clear that they are team and work towards what is best as team, often supporting 1 driver at cost of another. I fully approve of that, but it did mean that car was built to fit Alonso, making it horrible for Kimi.
Exactly the same thing happened with Lewis Hamilton the same year. He declared recently that when he started in 2007 in the McLaren he was given Kimi's suspension and settings and he loved it cause they have very similar styles and that partially explains why Hamilton was so strong from the beginning.
Honestly man, it's more because Ferrari had such a car advantage in Melbourne. Kimi hated the 2007 and 2008 cars (especially over one lap, in the races it was better). Near the end of 2007 they made some steps forward in the setup, but in 2008 it was difficult again. They had too much understeer and crucially the Bridgestone tyres were VERY different from the Michelins he had used at McLaren.
Alonso has one of the most unique driving styles. The way that he purposely generates understeer to aid him in cornering is something that not many people do.
He knew that he needed to extract every bit of potential that the Renault car (R25 and R26 in particular) had with the unique characteristic of rear-biased weight distribution (almost 40/60). So while the front is more loose than the rear, he forced the tire wall to bounce around by intentionally under-steering the car and hit the apex early, because he knows that the rear is planted really well that he only needs to worry about the front side, which also aided by "tuned mass damper" that he perfected the technique and won both championship in '05 and '06.
Seb is just like Button while Max, Lewis and Leclerc all drive like Schumacher and Raikkonen and Ricciardo is similar to Alonso but slightly different. He makes the car slide a little more on exit in order to build greater momentum.
Seb is more known to prefer cars that are heavily planted on the rear and often likes to get on the gas early when exiting which somehow explains on some of his spins given how powerful the current hybrid V6 are
Using the rear to get around a turn is arguably the fastest way to do it. Like Raikkonen and Schumacher does it. But it demands incredible car feel and reflexes. Perhaps that is why Schumacher is struggling a bit now. Because of his age that little extra edge got lost down the line. Just a guess.
Can't imagine the crew's reaction to it raining on their day of shooting for this video. Lucky for them they had Brundle who is just a top notch professional all around, bet he didn't even bat an eye.
@@RB747domme the thing that really amazes me is that not only is he driving an F1 car (which is, well, expected of an F1 driver but not necessarily easy) and commentating, but he's also driving it in different styles that don't necessarily come naturally to him. He's a super sharp driver to do that, whew.
@@ciaronsmith4995 they litterally fucking said why they picked jenson its not because he's british its because he uses the textbook driving style A.K.A the racing line in the f1 games
@@ciaronsmith4995 nah mane button at that time was already a racewinner and was a prominent name in f1 as one of the best in the sport and also correlation is not causation back in the grooved tires pretty much noone else who is actually fast and in contention used the same style textbook style of Jenson alonso had different steering kimi and schumi used the rear of the car to get around corners
@@imissvine6737 No he wasn't. The big 3 were Kimi, Fernando and Michael. By far. He won a single race and was lucky to win that race. He wasn't considered elite at all. If you actually watched F1 back then you would know that, but you're clearly a relatively new fan or didn't watch live, in the tyre war. Cheers.
one with schumacher winning half or the races and raikkonen having to help out as number 2 schumacher, until his first retirement, made sure to have the entire team centered around him and that noone within the team could be a danger to him there is a reason why raikkonen came to ferrari after schumacher had stopped driving for them, and why montoya was not considered and alonso not until multiple years later
taveeeee ferrari already had brilliant engineers like brawn and an experienced number 2 driver giving feedback as well, so i"d guess there would not have been a development advantage with raikkonen instead of barichello but it could have been an advantage compared to choosing massa
AnarchistMetalhead Yes it't true and Kimi wouldn't had agreed to be number 2 in the team. It was all built around Schumacher and the other driver was basically driving for max second place. But what I meant in the first place was that with Kimi+Schumi they didn't have (but they wouldn't had needed to since we can assume here that Schumi was all that mattered) to develop two different cars as they pretty much had to do (but they can't) now sice Alonso and Räikkönen prefer so different cars. PS. My head hurts for my grammar errors.
azynkron please don't compare the worst f1 driver ever to Montoya :) JPM was agressive but very talented. Maldonado should be banned for life, it's maybe 2 years or more he didn't have a single CLEAN race
JPM fought for a world title in 2003......way better than Sato in that regard. In a Williams he was one of the fastest and most consistent. from 2001-2004 he was extremely good. Made mistakes but we all do.
Extremely interesting choice of drivers. Two of the chosen drivers were already champions (Alonso and Schumacher) and two of them became champions later (Button and Raikkonen).
There are 3 driving styles here: what I call the Prost style (likes understeer, as few hand movements as possible; Button and currently Vettel are like that); the Senna style (very aggressive, throws car into the corner, moves the car around; Alonso and Hamilton are both like that); and then the Schumacher style (very pointy front end and loose back end, likes the back end to steer the car; micro-corrections through fast corners, you can keep the car at 100 percent grip for longer through fast corners; Raikonnen is also like that)
good analogy, i think Max Verstappen falls into the Schumacher style aswell, since its told thats not just how he races in F1, but also how he sets his car up in sims. But in which of these 3 does leclerc fall?
I envy you :) I was a Prost fan myself due to his calculated and non-risk taking way of driving (as he himself once stated "I try to win by driving the slowest as possible"), but I did respect Senna for his sheer speed and his gift to drive fast. It was like he was the exact opposite of Prost :)
I think this is the main reason for Kimi's problems this year. Alonso and Räikkönen have drastically different driving styles and this year's car just won't cooperate with Räikkönen. He has said himself that he needs something specific with the car and that ain't just happening right now.
+Ciaron Smith also remember the tyres and aero are completely different since 2009. all the drivers have changed their styles since Martin did this video
Raikkonen is just a freak of nature. I finally understand this guys talent. He needs a car that has literally no under steer, to get it to the apex unhindered, and then relies on his reactions to catch and re catch an errant rear end. No wonder he hates this current era of understeering heavy, annoyingly slow cars with concrete tyres - harder to rotate the car and make it bite. The complete OPPOSITE of Fernando Alonso. Amazing!
You are probably spot on, Karting and (even though I never heard of him do Rally) Rally style. I don't agree with Brundle about Schumacher though... when he did drive like shown by Brundle he's car was not setup right for him. Schumacher did do a Jenson style driving but actually left of throttle and pushed throttle slowly around the corners while a lot of other F1 drivers just released the throttle and pushed hard when leaving the corner.. and that is why he was a king when wet and did really good overall...
@TheEqualTester ok I think I remember what I meant and I put it quite badly. Kimi likes a good front end on his car. However current cars Have a lot of torque and probably too little rear downforce. Also being heavy theyre very snappy on the rear end. A larger rear wing would give him more rear grip out of the corners. But again I'm contradicting myself because the Ferrari he drives is front limited and suffers more from understeer. Maybe that's the problem for him.
Well yeah, as with any other sport your only good for a few years, then your out. Especially nowadays, given the cars are so much faster in the corners, nowadays.
Brundle: And Lance Stroll likes to evaluate the durability of the tyre walls at relatively low speeds in order to benefit from the turbulence caused by the waving of red flags
You could do that with TC, yes. But thats also was not fast. Not at all. Back in these days you did not loose traction. But still you could not just go full throttle and let traction control do everything. Thats slow. You need a some wheel spin to accelerate best. So a driver could still make a huge difference how he used and set-up TC and the good ones prefered less TC.
button and damon hill fangio, and senna, wurz all drove perfectly smoothly to the ideal line. schumacher, coulthard, hamilton, raikkonen turn in on the brakes.. hakkinen, pryce, (Gilles) villeneuve, (keke) rosberg, petersen, frentzen, herbert, montoya, alonso, turn in on the throttle and 'drift' the car.
@@le-coup-détat What I mean is that the car he's driving here has a metal side-guard on the brake pedal preventing his left foot from moving sideways, also of course blocking the access to the brake pedal for his right foot.
Wow, at 3m52s when they cut away the cockpit and you can see right down the drivers legs as he screams around is spectacular and not something I’ve ever seen done before, brilliant work folks, thank you, simple, elegant, exceptional, thank you 😎👍
@FranklinMarshalSpain His style we saw in the old generation Renaults came about because of their huge rear weight bias and how the car was built around the tyres. He employed his massively aggressive style back then because that was the fastest way (at least for him) to drive the car. He doesn't drive that way anymore because the cars are no longer designed that way, as well as (correct me if I'm wrong here) weight bias having been standardised by the FIA.
Tyres that didn't fade, and the R25 and R26 which both loved to get roughed about and ragged to death, were perfect combos for Nando to win 2 world titles
Let me tell you my favourate styles 5. Fucking up the corner 4. Angle albon (hitting almost every barrier around monaco) 3. The verstappen ( max max super max max divebomb) 2. The checo ooooooooo (how the fucc is that car so thicc) 1. The mick shumacher system operator (penetrating the barrier at almost every track)
After watching this in F1 games I’m more like Schumacher and Kimi. Alonso’s is quite impressive considering he’s less tidy but does not lose the car it’s incredible. Button is impressive to because he’s so smooth at 200 MPH. Michael and Kimi are also incredible because they’ve got more oversteer and work to do but handle the cars beautifully. Man these F1 drivers are something.
First debut was at Spa-Francorchamps driving for the Jordan team although he set a good qualifying but ended shortly in the race after 700 m with a blown clutch, a year later he had his revenge and won his first grand prix at Spa-Francorchamps in a Benetton-Ford.
Driver61's video on Alonso's driving style complements this well, he's got one of the most aggressive driving styles in recent history, which contrasts with his mostly fair racing ironically
@david40686 I think he meant that they like to get on the power early before they are fully out of the corner, letting the back end step out to help them get the car pointing in the right direction. A smooth driver like Jenson will not "floor the throttle", they will gradually ease the power on to get a smooth and tidy exit from the corner.
It's funny I used to prefer my setup similar to Schumacher but a couple years later I have been more similar to fernando. I actually like the car to understeer a bit coming off the apex, and use the throttle to increase the car to slight oversteer while excelleratinf away from the apex. I found I get better launch out of corners this way, as opposed to the way Schumacher does it
Awesome video!! Interesting how a given year on a particular set of regulations favors a certain type of driving style. This year seems to favor Button's style over Hamilton's because of Pirelli's quick tire wear. Schumacher's style is favored now probably because of less downforce from banned blown diffusers. Alonso is a great suprise, he adapted and it's paying off for him. I've always wondered how Senna would do in today's cars. My guess is he would still be great whatever he drives.
Hamilton is very smooth with the car like button, vettel is aggressive with the car but not as much as Alonso but for verstappen and ricciardo I don’t know
Gee Gee Maldonado is a bit like Alonso in his driving, except he doesn't seem to know when to tone down the aggression, so he tended to bin it an awful lot.
yeh I've various things for almost 20 years now (and I'm not even 27 lol). I did ten days testing recently out in India for a new series called MRF. The tracks out there are so incredibly bumpy and have very little grip. The tyres also have very stiff sidewalls so it makes them incredibly difficult to drive fast as the tyres give you no warning. The only way to get round it is to brake all the way into practically every corner, totally different to the fast sweeping bends of the UK!
It was only a matter of time, both Raikkonen Button was marked as future world champions and super natural talent when they came in to F1 in 2001 and 2000
Reading all the Kimi fanboys trying to use this video as a scapegoat of his performance against Alonso. This video was a few years pre Alonso/Ferrari time. Back then Alonso adapted this understeer technique especially for the Mildseven Renault because it was the fastest way to drive. In the Ferrari days and after he never applied the technique. Understeer or Oversteer, Alonso is the master of adaption and an all around talent unlike Kimi and many others who struggle more.
Once he switched to Mclaren and to Ferrari his style was smoothed out compared to his Renault days. Still was just as successful which is a testament to his ability to adapt.
You don't need to be in F1 to have a driving style that is similar to F1 drivers, you can understeer like Alonso with any car, overtsteer on exits like Schumacher with any RWD car and so on. After all, F1 cars have 4 wheels and an engine like the rest.
dude i swear theres 2 nascar fans that dislike every obscure f1 video! This is the 2nd f1 clip i find 2day with hundrets of likes, that has 2 dislikes. on both ocassions i couldnt find any faults to them.
On games I usually drive more like alonso because its more intersesting and challenging to brake as late as possible, take really agressive lines and spend the whole of long corners trying to edge it to the point where you can just slam the gas, I'd say its a kind of impatient driving style and quite often results in me missing the apex, losing the back from hitting the gas too early, stuff like that. On games it is more fun but I can not believe that he gets so much speed driving like that IRL
As much as I give this guy the gears for talking too much during his commentary time, if you actually listen to what he's saying, he's analyzing everything so critically, it's incredible
Very interesting comment. I also think Raikkonen's style has changed now with his rallying experience. He's not as smooth with the wheel as he used to be in the McLaren days. I wish we could see more of the drivers' movements behind the wheel.
The beauty about Alonso's style is he uses the momentum of the car on turn in to place the car perfectly on the apex. His driving style is less steering and more momentum, i.e a balance between grip and throttle, which is why he gets so much out of the car than anyone else. He doesn't do anything that is unnatural to the car but he can still be aggressive as hell. This allows him to have a car that is both race ready and also performs quite decently in qualifying. Glad that he is reckoned as one the top 10 best of all time and the best in his generation. A phenomenal and unique talent!
He doesn't get more out of the car than anyone when the likes of Kimi and Michael like their car. This is the key point. Their ultimate speed is much quicker than that of Alonso. It's just that Alonso is great at manhandling cars with a poor balance because he has insanely aggressive steering inputs and basically forces the car to do what he wants. Ugly but massively effective. But nowhere near as quick as Kimi, (softest inputs), Michael or Lewis in a car they love.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Not to be rude but everyone has an opinion on the definition of what getting everything means. Michael and Kimi have never performed well in cars that were not outright fastest cars. What Alonso did in 2010 and 2012 is pretty much unmatched in the history of the sport. Michael, Lewis and Kimi have outright pace when they have the quickest car. Alonso on the other hand drives thur car to its absolute physical limit on the Sunday.
@@Asdfqwerty1243 What?!. That is completely false! Kimi Raikkonen nearly won the 2003 WDC in the third or fourth fastest car scoring over 40 points more in the old system than his teammate. McLaren failed to launch their car for the 2003 seasons so Kimi had to drive the 2002 McLaren all season. They customized the steering for Kimi and he ust took off like a rocket. Michael Schumacher did the same in 1997 in a piece of junk that was probably the third or fourth fastest car as well and outperformed his 1996 and 1998 cars as well. Alonso meanwhile got beaten by Trulli in 2004 (Trulli left after Monza) and failed to win a race that season in a GREAT Renault car.
@@ciaronsmith4995 TBH I am really sick and tired of this crap! Here, this is what is math gives you, not your opinion, not my opinion, but straight up freakin math (this is on Red Bull's own website and given the crap that Alonso has got from Horner you can bet your behind that it is NOT biased in any way) - www.redbull.com/gb-en/fangio-the-greatest-formula-1-driver-ever If you disagree with this then you should take it up with your reasoning as to why Kimi needs to be above Alonso and see if they buy your argument, cause right now it is in my favor. Michael would be 8th if his drive in the Merc was included. Kimi's 2003 Mclaren was a race winning Mclaren. One in which Coulthard won in the first round of that season. It was Coulthard that fell back and not just Kimi rising above him. I am sure anyone reading this can see it on Wikipedia themselves!
@@ciaronsmith4995 WTF are you talking about? Alonso beat Trulli in 2004! He was right up his tail and was going to beat him in the next round of pit stops in Monaco when Alonso crashed trying to avoid Ralf in the tunnel. What? You're going to leave those kind of details out just to suit your argument? With that he would have been even further ahead of him! Where do you get your facts from mate? He even got more points than Kimi that year even though Kimi won a race that year. Even the race that Kimi won that year, Alonso was in the lead when he had an oil leak and fell out of contention while in the lead! Seems to me that you are either extremely forgetful or rather deceitful in your arguments.
In a simulator game like Assetto Corsa. I'm naturally in a Schumacher/Raikkonen style. Then I tried to adapt in Alonso's style. It's way harder than I thought.
Alonso's driving style was only like that in 2005 and 2006 because the way the car and tires were set up, he has said it was very difficult to adapt to that style of driving because of how wrong it felt. That is a terrible way to drive unless you have a specific car setup and specific tires.
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that's for slower/mid speed corners, on high speed high downforce everyone try to take the ideal line
Yes, which is exactly what Brundle says in the video "in high speed corners the downforce and grip, is so good that the driver input will be similar for all"
yeh this is true, the old kent engined cars are rather lacking in the power department... You're right actually, I even drive slightly differently from circuit to circuit depending on the level of grip, corner radius, how bumpy a corner is etc... although for single seaters the same basic principle normally applies. But in hindsight that guy seems to have a very simplistic view on driving a car ;)
So I am a bit confused by Alonso's style. Are you trying to get the car to stay at a higher speed so the air passes over the rear wing giving more downforce? And wouldn't that also hurt straight line speed? That wouldn't really work in any other car then which is why I think I am missing something here. Or its the reason he only cars about F1...
+PallyWoods Alonso tends to attack the apex as early as possible. By doing this, he hits the apex twice in a harpin for example. This is because in the middle of the corner, he suffers from understeer and then attacks the apex again. That is what you call a V turn. It gives you better speed but lots of understeer and by doing so, the car stays at a higher speed yes. And it doesn't hurt the straight line speed, because by taking the corner like this, the car will have more time to reach top speed in a straight line...
@@Dani94Ultra To add to this really clear explanation, in a way it does affect the total straight line speed of the car because such a driving style needs more rear wing, hence lower terminal straight line speed. This helps stabilize the rear without any nasty surprises but makes overtaking a lot more difficult. That's why Alonso would catch up to Lewis in 2007 but couldn't pass him that easily. Since Alonso didn't have a dominant car/engine from 2006, he would have already driven the car to it's breaking point to the last race and in the last race he wouldn't have the straight line speed needed to make his over takes(and since his engine was used more than others surrounding him, he wouldn't be able to rev it to the max without breaking it). In that sense, his style nearly won him and certainly lost him several world titles.
hm... funny how literally the next video on auto-play describes Schumachers style quite a bit different, however only for a specific corner that one could not possibly approach with the style that is described here
I assume you're talking about the video from '95 when Schumacher and Herbert were teammates...? There's no contradiction at all; you're comparing a corner from 1995 and 2006; Bridge in '95 was not flat out and required driver skill, in '06, it most certainly was flat out. Brundle also says (voicing over exactly as Alonso goes through Bridge in this video) "in high speed corners, the downforce and grip is so good, that the driver inputs will be similar for all". Basically the two aren't comparable.
