Even after end of the previous phase, people would have still stuck around. It's something else their doing all entirely they and know what it is marvel isn't crazy just boneheaded.
It took 3 separate phases of movies to even get to Endgame. IIRC, Phase 1 was pretty mid like Phase 4 is, because everything has to be set up and established first. Can't say whether or not the Disney+ shows are detrimental to the overall story. Probably. Not just in oversaturation but in inadvertently creating a multiverse of random content drops where you don't even *have* to see everything that releases to keep up
Simply put, it’s because of over-saturation. We went from 2 or 3 MCU movies a year to 4 movies and 4 TV shows just last year, all of which were required viewing. This year so far has also seen a similar amount of content. People are getting burnt out on the MCU, I pretty much stopped keeping up with the MCU after Endgame and I’m sure many others felt the same way.
its worse than just "fatige" its shit writing, awful people behind the scenes and so on. there is a reason no one likes phase bore marvel or disney star wars. because they fucked them up.
Perfectly said! 👏 it feels like I finish a marvel show and immediately need to start the next one. 😞 I’m tired and My investment has deteriorated with each film/show since endgame wrapped it up really well in a pretty bow. That was a hard ask and they nailed it! I feel like they should have taken a solid year or 2 off after endgame, make us miss them so to speak.
@@IMOReviews whats this "need to" bullshit. man rippa was right about you lot. you people got this brain disease he called FOMO. fear of missing out. you really missing out on sub-par content?
It's not over-saturation, otherwise, Endgame would not have made as much having come out right after Ant-man and Captain Marvel. We all keep saying we're bored, but we're not. The Batman did amazing after a lack of returns from DC. There is no pattern, only guesses. And the likely best guess is that Disney may be trying to connect all of these shows and movies together, but they haven't done that yet so many audiences won't have the same impulsion as the Star Wars property to see it all.
People have been screaming this for a decade! The truth is the movies are just getting worse. Disney has its woke agenda, Reva is a pure example. These guys dont wanna hear it.. keep your heads in the sand.
Nothing lasts forever. The problem is with the inclusion of Disney+, Marvel now is oversaturated with content with some movies now requiring "homework." Movies should NEVER EVER require homework. In addition, (this has been a long on-going problem with Marvel) is how they handle Comedy which often cuts into/interrupts/distract serious moments. This happens time and time again.
Personally that's the biggest thing that got me to check out of most of their newer stuff...there's too much stuff I have to watch just so I understand this new film I am thinking of watching...used to be some movie you need to have watched...now they're tying in a whole lot of shows as well
The longer the MCU goes on, the less accessible it becomes. Now it’s not just tons of movies you need to watch to keep up, now you’re throwing TV shows into the mix. It all starts to feel like homework eventually.
I don’t consume a lot of other media, so the pace of The MCU and disney plus doesn’t bother me. I’m enjoying this phase, mostly because I don’t spend every day in between shows and movies clinging to leaks and spoilers. I don’t watch the trailers after the initial teasers and I go in with a fresh mind every time. It’s fun, without the burden of the media circus surrounding the mcu.
I dont consume any of it - I'm watching The Boys and actually await other indie heroes that aren't on this ideological bandwagon. the medium needs it. it isnt fun seeing a lot of epic icons brought down. it's pitiful , actually that great actors are wasted in this, which makes me so proud of Tom Cruise for just entertaining people and staying consistent with his character.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 I’m glad the influx of high level actors hasn’t turned into them overshadowing the narrative. I totally understand wanting more but I can acknowledge sometimes the story doesn’t need more. Even with the critiques of Gorr and people wanting more of him slaying gods..where would it fit? Wouldn’t it just lead to people saying the movie is even more CGI slugfests and not story? Even worse when people read the comics and are mad it’s not like the source material. All these characters are tools for the mcu narrative, not adaptations of comic storylines verbatim. Gorr was a great choice of character for telling thors story, and bale played the character well enough for us to feel his pain, but not hate him when resolution came around. To each their own, but within context I’m enjoying the overall experience.
@@lindinle it's a movie, not a lifestyle. I appreciate the work that goes into, it and enjoy the story they're trying to tell. I'm surprised people have so much time to be so obsessed and involved in a product they're being sold whether they like it or not.
Marvel is like the Call of Duty of movies. Each individual movie is usually pretty good but people hate the series because they make essentially the same game every year
When they made Wanda the villain of Multiverse of Madness, to me it seemed like it "walked back" the redemption arc of WandaVision... it's like, she learned a lesson at the end of that show, and she genuinely felt bad about manipulating a whole town full of people. But no.. just a villain now. I saw the previews for the Multiverse of Madness.... and I thought she'd be *helping* Dr Strange rebuild the collapsing multiverse that got broken at the end of Spider Man: No Way Home. I thought that's what phase 4 was going to be.. a shake up of the Marvel Universe by introducing "alternate" versions of people in every movie-- I thought it was going to tie into those alternate timelines setup by the damn Loki show. It's like the writers have changed their minds about what Phase 4 was gonna be about.
@@dasboom7133 It was so quick that it happened the scene after! I loved Wandavision but honestly hate the MoM really does make you not have to watch Wandavision that it kinda ignores the bittersweet scene before post-credits of her just seeking to better herself in a contained space. It was a straight up 180.
Wanda tortured people (again) and was let off with a pat on the head (again) and this time took a big evil book to study how to get more power. The movie answers a lot of peoples' biggest complaints about how Wanda never faces consequences for her actions just because she has emotional trauma.
There was no redemption arc of Wanda on Wandavision. She just took off before she could be arrested and honestly SWORD and the FBI knew they couldnt contain her anyway. Thats why Monica said that BS line to Wanda which many viewers hated "They'll never understand your sacrifice" lol. Monica said that to de-esculate the situation. There's no way she and the FBI could take on Wanda at that point if she pissed her off so they let her go. Then we see her training with the DARKHOLD book which we already know is an EVIL book. So how is that a redemption arc? She never paid for what she did to that town. And the very last thing we saw was her freaking out when she heard her kids voices, so we knew she was gonna do something no good with that book.
@@heroicgangster9981 WTF show were you watching?? Do you even know what the Darkhold is?? Its a book created by Chthon, who has underlings Nightmare and Mephisto work for him at times. Tell me you never read a comic book without telling me you never read a comic book. Not to mention the Darkhold was already shown on Agents of Sheld. She was trying to learn the Darkhold so she could figure out a way to hop between universes which is bad because that causes incursions. We already seen what can happen in the first Doctor Strange movie if a dimension merges into ours (The Dark Dimension) ,and this was further illustrated in Ms Marvel, No Way Home, Loki, and Multiverse of Madness. Wanda was always the antagonist of her show even if she was the protagonist. She just wasnt your mustache twirling villain because she wasnt sure what was going on herself, but once she lost her fake kids and Vision and got a hold of the book, then she knew. Because at that point she was the Scarlet Witch right at the end of the show. And the Darkhold is NOT a good thing so there is no redemption there.
Honestly the complaints people have about marvel now I've been feeling. Not to say they aren't valid complaints but I feel like the other phases had the same issues with a few being the expectation. I think it's fatigue
Yea people may feel fatigue. I think many may feel lost. Many of these characters are unknown or cosmic. Many got used to the heroes on the ground. I’m enjoying the movies for sure but I get some of the complaints. Plus the end credits aren’t exciting for many like they were before. The movies aren’t connecting quickly enough for some like they were before.
Yeah I agree. Plus there is the fact that many of these characters were C-listers. Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, the Eternals, Dr. Strange, Scarlett Witch, She Hulk, Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy... yeah not many people are gonna care about them unless they're tied to the stories of much more popular characters. It's one of the reasons they worked in the pre-Endgame MCU. You had them interwoven with characters that are better known. Now that Iron Man and Cap are gone and Hulk isn't around, all we have is Spider-Man as the A-lister carrying the MCU. I think things will get better when you bring in your A-listers which are the X-Men and Fantastic 4. They have like a bunch of amazing villains too, which will help. Mister Sinister, Magneto, Apocalypse, William Stryker, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Juggernaut, Mystique, Dr. Doom, Galactus, Super Skrull, Namor, Annihilus. This is what's needed to not just reach the heights of the MCU up to Endgame but also surpass that.
Nah! Phase 4 is filled with bad writing. ✍️ Spider-Man: No Way Home, and even Spider-Man: Far From Home are the only exceptions. But, the rest of Phase 4 is at best mediocre.
The introduction of the multiverse was a great platform to give us content that would break from the formula we've had for 3 phases. Stand alone content that gives us different tones and stories but we're still sticking to the same script.
Exactly, everything is the same... Ms. Marvel can't be a slice of life story and Moon Knight can't be a Psychological Thriller, they have to be MCU at the cost of their unique flavours... If anything, rather than feeling like stories on some fantastic universe, they feel like seasonal McDonald's Happy Meal toys.
The multiverse is also hurting them based on some things they are doing. For example, they made a “What If...?” version of Myles Morales being Thor, and Brooklyn being Asgard. That is crossing the line. They are taking a mythology that is connected to a Northern European culture and washing the culture away. This is the same as Whitewashing Egyptian mythology, and people didn't like that.
@@michaelriverside1139 Wandavision honestly was the biggest glimpse into this; an interesting story that played in a unique way, but it then had to squeeze into the MCU. Everything has to connect, and honestly I'm not for it. I stopped looking at Western comics for the same reason.
This was bound to happen. You can only climb Up the mountain but so long before you go down.I remember back In 2014 when they started having multiple films come out in the same year my roommate at the time said that this would be the start of marvel valuing quantity over quality. This has definitely been a problem that has only gotten worse with all the Disney+ stuff
i think most of the disney+ shows are very good. they seem better thenthe movies. so i dont know what you mean by " worse with all the disney+ stuff" loki is literally the best thing ever made for marvel.
@@bluebarrymore5442 well I can't really comment on the shows because I have only watched wandvision. But are you really going to sit here and say that if you are producing 3 to 4 multi-million dollar shows as well as 2 to 3 big budget movies at once that the quality overall won't suffer because your attention is spread to all these projects versus if you're attention was only focused on two? The quantity over quality problem that my roommate was speculating would happen back in 2014 has been an ongoing problem with the MCU that has gotten worse over the years the need for Disney plus content has only exasperated this
@@anthonyleach7608 i cant tell the difference between thing made now and things made in 2014, but also i think all marvel films have been basically the same movie since iron man 3. i cant tell why morbius made 130 million, and venom release the carnage made 500 million. or why avenger end game is like the highest grossing movie of all time. they are ALL on the same level of production to my eye.
While I've liked all the phase 4 things so far, I actually do feel like the aimlessness feel does hurt it. Because I feel like for the MCU specifically, we've come to consume it more like a TV show. Also these properties don't revolve around the characters and aren't personal enough. Dr. Strange, Thor, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight. All their conflicts were completely unrelated to their personal struggle.
I think a lot of the problems the MCU has always had are getting worse. Things like storylines being rushed, like Age of Ultron being more of a Weekend of Ultron, not following through on consequences, like Rhodey getting crippled and everyone kind of just ignores it, and the general habit of a lot of movies having generic action and falling back on big dumb CGI battle. It's just much more noticeable now, especially with them trying to do more different types of stories but then continuing to have those same weaknesses. Black Widow is a good example. It had an interesting start with BW's fake family infiltrating America. It felt like it was going to be more of a spy thriller that focused a lot more on intrigue and espionage. But then it just became a big dumb action movie with a big CGI fight at the end.
I think it was bad that Joss left the MCU because that movie. I wonder what would have happened if he directed Infinity War and Endgame instead of the Russos. The Hulk might have been done better.
With Thor L&T they messed up by using Gorr as a villain and sticking close to the comics! The fear of people comparing it to a Harry Potter villain was just stupid! Thor 4 is worse than The Dark World! The villain was after something that lead up to something much bigger!
A) No huge Big Bads B) Leadership is spread too thin C) D+ shows with the exception of Ms. Marvel have been kinda disappointing (I think it’s low #’s are blowback from the other shows) D) It could also be fatigue which can also be contributed to a lack of strong competition to inspire harder work. Not hating just offering Constructive Criticism, it really sucks too cuz they have good talent like Iman Vellani.
Idk about D+ and to play devils advocate - ms marvel was not all that but had a different feel to it but Wandavison and Loki were dope plus I wouldn’t mind watching Hawkeye again!! So that’s funny you said ms marvel - I was highly confused by some of the characters and the last episode was weak to me, I had to watch it 2x to follow!
The MCU was never meant to be the center of the “Hollywood” or the action universe in Hollywood, just a part of it. This says more about Hollywood that they need a comic book company to make all the good block buster movies.
Because majority of the Disney shows are 🗑️ and show are the movies. Just because Twitter says it's the next best thing doesn't make it Tru. Marvel has a lot of hype beast around it.... SMH
Marvel also has a lot of negative mids who like to slam down on people's interests. Nobody is the majority. And Twitter, you mean the social platform millions of people online use the most nowadays because people now hate Facebook? That Twitter? The Twitter that companies use to promote stuff on the most next to RU-vid?
@@heroicgangster9981 And it all flops even the critics aren't reliable they give it high ratings, but the people at home that have to pay to watch these show movies say no THANX. How?.....
This is the problem with almost any company, they make soo much money from their customers, they get greedy and take shortcuts making the same products their customers fell in love with, the customers keep buying the shortcut products as the greedy company becomes even more rich, by the time the customers find out they got a half ass product it’s too late and they settle for less.
Sounds like tho customers need to stop acting like religious zealots for these companies. Start having a critical view on the products you pay for and consume, and the companies won’t have the room to take ‘shortcuts’
This dip off has been expected since end game and characters dying. Plus the marvel formula of goofyness is running its course. Its like marvel is scared of dark subject matter.
You literally just had a movie where the main villain brings forth the idea that there’s no point in worshiping a higher power. Challenging religion itself
There is a constant hum of Marvel IPs. Multiple movies/shows a year that tie in. People have grown picky. As for Miss Marvel, No one really even cared about her before the show, in the show they did nothing to get people to notice her, until that line about mutations. The fact they had to basically completely change her powers/origin is a testament to how weak of a character she was in the first place.
Being critical is not bashing. The Ms Marvel character has failed in every iteration since they first created her back in the 2000's. As far as the latest Thor and Dr. Strange movies. They both suffered from strange creative choices. The moment they brought Natalie Portman out with that hammer at comic con, I knew this wouldn't work. If you watch the trailers, the movie itself just looks too silly. They just went too far with everything they did in Ragnarok. Way too much comedy and somehow the costumes and sets which were cartoonish in Ragnarok became even more silly looking in Love and Thunder. It kind of reminds me of the difference between Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. Not as bad, but I'm sure you get the idea.
This is what annoys me about it though, if you are going to lean more into the comedy, don't use Gorr. It seems like they used Gorr specifically to add to the interest after dropping Jane Thor. Would've been a lot less devise if they used Ulik or Grey Gargoyle.
It's a combination of Phase 4 being the rebuilding phase, oversaturation, and audiences expecting phase 3 again when Marvel is actually working in the Phase 1/2 mindset. I'm really enjoying Phase 4 right now for what it's worth and they're building up towards something at a faster pace than before. It's just a matter of what that exactly is is the question. Even without the introduction of Thanos, we could tell it was going to be him in Phase 1 but that we can't project that for Phase 4 right now.
I believe its supposed to lead to Kang who will then lead towards Secret Wars between Earth 616 and Earth 838 since Wanda killt The Illuminate in Multiverse. The problem is Marvel hasnt started building towards that in any of their product. Instead they've been doing one offs on each shows and movie but the problem there is they've introduced too many universe threat level events and just brushed past it.
@@jonnystorm3127 Yeah...no. It's none of that. Economic downturn + typical summer movie glut going into timing and the weather having turned into Double Roasted has Toasted out the crowds. "Despite a 68% drop from its opening weekend, Thor: Love and Thunder once again won the domestic weekend box office with $46 million..." (1 day ago, via IGN)...the lesson to learn here, is never listen to internet marks about real world issues. Secondly, while Ragnarok was a one-off, do remember that exactly nobody casual as a movie-goer was clamoring for a follow up cash grab.
No we couldn't see it was Thanos. Phase four was centered around the tesseract/arc reactor tech/fury forming the avengers. Then it lead to Loki forming the avengers along with fury as their single threat. Literally Thanos showed up at the very end and wasn't hinted before that. So if we take phase 1 as a blueprint then likely Kang in quantumania will be the new Thanos but appear more before the big final Infinity war level fight. This is due to more content allowing him to show up proportionally at the same rate as Thanos did but in total more appearances.
I agree. Phase 4, while not perfect, has been about rebuilding and the after math of Phase 3. Everything in this universe is connected, and Feige did say that this was basically a palette cleanser. We were introduced to Shang Chi, The Eternals, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, America Chavez, and Yelena Belova. We also saw the continuation and evolution of characters such as Wanda, Sam and Bucky, and Peter Parker. Phase 4 was always going to be an uphill battle. I'm not a huge fan of the shows however, I think they still need a lot of work on that front. Seeds for Secret Wars are being sowed, and Phase 5 looks to be even bigger. I don't really understand why people including DT are expecting another big bad right away. Thanos wasn't teased until the very end of the first Avengers. As far as the villains in Phase 4 go... I thought that using Wanda as the villain was part of her character's natural growth and arc, she'll be back eventually as her character arc is not complete yet. But it made sense that she was the villain for it, as again, it reinforces this idea that the MCU is one connected universe where everything is connected. Dr. Strange 2 is a good intro/tease into Secret Wars, Moon Knight will eventually lead into The Midnight Suns, Ms. Marvel teased the mutants, and The Eternals even teased Blade. And, my personal favorite, Valentina will most likely be putting together the Thunderbolts. So, bigger things are coming, but we have to appreciate this as the rebuilding phase, not as Endgame two point o
I don't usually mind comedy in Marvel movies, but Thor Love & Thunder was too much for me. Not to mention, the new characters they introduced in Phase 4 aren't really interesting enough to carry the future of the MCU.
Yall love saying that but as soon as Marvel makes him too serious then yall gonna get mad and call him boring and dry talking about Marvel made Thor lame. Now that they gave him a personality now yall saying it's too much comedy, I swear there is no pleasing yall 😂
People are expecting Phase 4 to build towards something as though those first few movies were definitely planned to end in Infinity War + Endgame. While a big bad would be fine, I actually like that these are all individualized stories. No Way Home didn't need to immediately be addressed in MoM, and all of the Disney+ shows have been fun in their own right and are all addressing different things. It feels more comic-booky
I think they should make Doctor Doom a recurring villain (you could have him be a villain in a Fantastic Four movie, a Black Panther movie and an Avengers movie) and supporting character (in a Doctor Strange movie and he could have some short appearances in some Fantastic Four movies). They could even give him a solo movie or Disney+ show about his origin story. The next Thanos level villain should be God Emperor Doom from Secret Wars. That's the most powerful version of Doctor Doom that's ever existed. He could be even bigger than Thanos.
Maybe when you push characters no one cares about, but don't do it right, no one will gravitate to them. But then you have characters, ie guardians of the Galaxy, a property no one cared about, are now marvel main staple. They just have to stop throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks, and get people behind these properties that actually care.
Yeah Moon Knight is one that worked despite the flaws the show has in the format and deviating from the comics. Shang Chi worked also even if the box office wasn't the best. Ms. Marvel arguably even if there isn't a big standom for her. But other characters that are lodged into stories will have a hard time compared to the big movie entry main characters will have hard time yeah. So far in MCU we don't know who is going to matter in the main stuff. Spider-Man seems to matter, Shang-Chi maybe? It's debatable if Moon Knight will be with the big players or not. Ms. Marvel yeah. Wanda YES but she's not in definitive hero or big villain territory anymore. Hawkeye???? Yeh I guess Doctor Strange is still here. Captain Marvel yeah. Thor maybe?? It doesn't help that the main brand cast isn't as simple or dynamic looking anymore huh. It's hard to get people out of the branding of Iron Man, Thor, Hulk.
That comic is a ripoff of star wars, he literally has a Han Solo jacket. Most of these characters are ripoffs so why would a bias fanbase watch little girls when they don't want them in Star Wars unless they are an alien?
My theory is that people are on Marvel overload. We get 6 to 9 different MCU projects in one year and people are getting burned out. Back when the MCU started what made it special was the minimum content and the hype building up to the new content. Now there is no hype because it’s just overload.
It's not even that complicated. People aren't MCU fans. They're fans of characters in the MCU. Endgame and Infinity War had all of the characters, so they did all of the box office. You lose characters, you lose box office. You can fiddle with and game these numbers all you want with crossovers and cameos, but that's reality. No Way Home wasn't Tom Holland Spider-Man box office, it was *every* Spider-Man box office, including movies that outperformed every Tom Holland Spider-Man movie (inflation-adjusted). You can't assume you get the box office of previous MCU movies. Assume you get the box office of where the previous appearance of your characters released. Guardians box office is Guardians box office, not Ant-Man box office. Thor box office is Thor box office, not Avengers box office. People assume Marvel somehow brainwashed people into accepting a brand, but it has never happened. Months after Infinity War, Ant-Man and The Wasp did 30% of its box office globally. And then, lo and behold, they all came back for Endgame. This is the only way to look at the MCU that makes sense. It's not one big movie, it's a bunch of franchises in the same universe and sometimes people just don't care about your movie.
There's still hype to me since I know I can see Strange 2 five times and skip Thor but miss nothing I care about. I wish the general audience realized this and would only watch what they're actually interested in but sheeple gonna flock 🤷🏾♂️
@@MrBazBake I want to copy and paste this comment everywhere.... people are so unfamiliar with the business side of Marvel. Their comics have had similar trends for decades which literally predict each show/movie's engagement but people are like "what's happening?? Is marvel dying???" For clicks
@@MrBazBake tbh, they're running out of interesting characters. If Watiti does the next Thor movie I won't watch, that leaves Guardians (probably their last film) Dr strange, Spiderman (Tom Holland has talked about retiring from acting) and Wanda as the last interesting characters
I personally stopped caring because it's hard to say where they are going with the series. The reason I got invested was because they were building up to a final battle with what turned out to be Thanos. I'd be more invested if they did that again with maybe Galactus or something. The writing can be very cheesy to and it hurts to watch sometimes 😂
There is a few elements that have led to the downturn in my opinion....potenial fatigue, the introduction of lesser known characters to mainstream audiences and there is also a rising trend of rage baiting channels taking advantage of people on the fence and convincing them not to go see it. Having issues with the quality of movies and shows is perfectly fine but not when facts are distorted and outright falsehoods are stated, all done to suit a mindset or ideology
some of those channels do make a point. Marvel ruined scarlet witch's character arc. They turned Thor into a complete dumbass, and these new characters aren't what the audience wants, and the decline in viewership proves it. You can't force an audience to buy what your selling, you have to appeal to their wants, that's how the market works. But instead of appealing to the fans, they are doubling down, and this has put a bad taste in people's mouth.
I think it’s more of a Disney problem than a Marvel problem. Every project in the last few years has felt like a hollow vessel more concerned with virtue signaling & appeasing China rather than actual story telling. I think people are just over it.
“It’s such a racist comment, treating a group of people as a monolith.” You mean like the Democratic Party 😂🤣 or Black Twitter 😬 Martin is awesome but … yeah.
I enjoyed Ms Marvel. I’m not Pakistani but I enjoyed seeing the little bit of their culture and viewpoints on screen. And the music was bangin’. I feel like they could’ve done a better job with the villains. They could’ve let the lady Jinn and her son befriend Kamala this season and help her with her powers and then reveal her true nature at the end, if they intend to do a second season. I loved her family and the season wasn’t long enough.
Lady Jinn and Lady Government were just insanely lame at taking time away from Kamala's Community, when the last chapter hit, I couldn't shake the feeling that I just wanted a Hey, Arnold!-esque Story with those characters alongside some quirky "Urban Legend"-esque take on The Inventor from the Comics or some follow-up on Black Bolt in Dr. Strange 2 with Lockjaw and some Royal Family Members as sort of refugees... The Red Daggers, Damage Control and Clan Destine where just nothingburgers that barely interacted with Kamala's world in a meaningful way besides excuses for setpieces and that stings, the characters deserved way more!
I agreed with a lot of that after seeing the show myself, but is still pretty dang flawed. If anything it’s more of a disappointment after coming from shows like Moon Knight and What If.
First 3 episodes were the most fun to watch, and then they rushed it too much. Could easily have been 8 episodes... But the show was fun to watch and I liked it a lot.
It's weird people keep bringing up a lack of direction or storyline since the older movies didn't really have that either outside of post credit scenes and stuff like Black Widow appearing in Iron Man 2 was the worst. The issue plain and simple is that the movies are worse now. They are too afraid of breaking the formula and all of the shows feel half hearted and are doing nothing but saturating the market.
They gotta learn to end it. They been dragging it on for 10 years. Endgame felt like where it should have ended. If they want to keep making superhero movies, they should start a new franchise or just get experimental and not have it connect to other films.
Crazy thing about this show for me, I loved the characters, family and culture WAY more than the super hero/villain stuff. The antagonists were WEAK and hard to watch, the fight scenes looked goofy. I was so charmed by the way the characters/actors interacted. Was great seeing a culture and historical references that I knew little of. Was nice to see the MCU at the ground level and how people have adjusted to the events of Infinity War/End Game with fandoms/cons/etc. Anyone reading, give the show a try if you haven’t already! It lost me in some places but I was overall charmed.
This is Phase 1 of a new cycle. Thanos showed up four years into the MCU and didn't have a single line of dialogue. You're getting way more Kang than you got Thanos and a lot earlier.
It's simple, people have superhero fatigue. It was fun when they made a movie every couple years. Now, it's two or three movies a year, plus one or two shows and animated tie ins. People are getting tired of it.
The affects of the aftermath of the end of endgame has truly affected phase 4 in almost the most weakest way , although Shang Chi and No way home are acclaimed positivity, along with Loki. Hopefully phase 5 must become a bit more redeemed.
@@JERSEYBOYPLAY2HARD it's so exhausting how people can't seem to grasp that other movies exist, you just aren't interested in supporting them. Men? Crickets. Everything Everywhere All at Once? Cult classic. Gray Man? Not even considered. Y'all are obnoxious af and truly need to go somewhere, cuz Marvel isn't.
One of the issues is that people are comparing everything to Infinity War and Endgame. It is going to be very difficult to maintain that level of hype and engagement after a cinematic moment like that. I think people are judging phase 4 by those two films. Even in this video when Korey mentions the lack of strong villains. That's not a new problem. People have been complaining about that with Marvel from the beginning. Remember Malekith, Ronan, and Mickey Rourke (I don't even remember his character's name)? Thanos was an amazing villain but he was the exception, not the norm.
Which is why really and truthfully Disney should have given the MCU a good 3-4 year rest and allowed people to just kind of forget and move on from it all; then they could have started up again with all these movies and tv shows. Also they're just churning them out at such a mass produced rate that can weaken creativity.
Thor L&T is everything wrong with Marvel right now. Too many corny jokes, villains don’t hold any weight, stories they are trying to tell are uninteresting. Marvel is starting to feel like Star Wars. Quantity over quality
COMPLETELY disagree with Korey on the tones. The shows/Movies have a VARIETY of different tones. Loki, Falcon Winter Soldier, Eternals, MoonKinght werent very comical and lighthearted...
I think the problem of MCU phase 4 is that people expect Endgame level threats from now on. Endgame changed everything it seems like, even fan's own perceptions of what the MCU should be.
As much as I disagree with some of what they said.....bruh.....this was before these announcements came up. Why would you complain about something that was said after this video came out. Obviously these comments didn't age well, it is what it is. I'm sure they either have had in a stream last night and if not will have a talk about the announcements that came up this upcoming week.
There’s some issues behind the scenes that I think really affected the output of Phase 4 also. Specifically Covid and the new Disney CEO Bob Chapek. More and more of the creatives are being open about how the pandemic affected the scripts due to changes in production and release dates, which lead to scheduling conflicts with actors and the health protocols affecting how many people could be on set at a time. Some of the changes in release dates meant that movies like Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home (which are top tier MCU for me) had to have major re writes to the script to fit in better chronologically. Also, Daniel Richtman, a fairly reliable insider, reported that Kevin Feige was concerned about Chapek being too involved, which was around the time Love and Thunder was filming (what a coincidence). While he wasn’t in charge during filming and development of every project, he’s been overseeing post production of all of it. Bob Iger was pretty hands off, he still had to sign off on everything, but he let Feige have the creative freedom he needed to make the MCU work. Now he’s got Chapek,who’s only concerned about profits and pleasing the shareholders, ordering that movies be shorter, obviously for more screenings, and is more focused on creating content for Disney+ rather than focusing on the films and theme parks, which is weird because that’s where most of their revenue comes from. And I think it shows because their Disney+ stuff has been stronger than their movies. And look, I’m not saying people don’t have the right to criticize the phase, I think it’s on par with Phase 2 overall, even the weaker installments like Eternals and Thor 4 I enjoy overall, but do admit to their flaws. Knowing all that was going on while this was being made kind of affects my perceptions of it. And again, not saying everyone has to agree with my thinking, it’s some info that I think shows a bigger issue than just “it’s after Endgame”.
Idk i feel like the major problem with everything coming out from Disney is its poorly written. All (live action) Disney + content have fallen apart after the first 3 episodes, the movies are lazily /poorly managed. Can't get excited for things to come when everything being done so far isn't good
Phase 1 wasn't working towards Thanos, it was working towards the Avengers and it set up Thanos for Phase 3 I think its pretty clear that this phase is setting up several teams; New Avengers, Young Avengers and The Midnight Sons as well as Kang and Secret Wars for Phase 6
@@MrBazBake Blade was rated R and came out before this big superhero surge. Deadpool and Logan were the only R rated comic book stuff to break this trend.
@@MrBazBake And Fantastic Four was a victim of Fox with the early 2000s superhero stuff like Daredevil and Electra. It was no where close to where it was for Endgame.
Here is the problem...when you pump out movies year after year with all of it referencing the other. Then not only would it restrict directors from making interesting movies. People would simply be burned out watching so many movies with very similar tones and themes. Also shows like Miss Marvel with very little appeal to even Muslims to hook them in. It looks decent but it's not the only show out there and it's competing with shows like "The Boys, Young Justice, and Even Moonknight" it needs a better story than an expensive Disney channel teen show. DC also had this problem but some movies are getting through and they are actually experimenting with their stories. Now if they could just stop pumping these out yearly then maybe they can avoid the burnout the people are feeling.
Even dc’s worst movies aside from ww84 feel like actual movies, good or bad, generic or not, they feel like movies, not products of fan service that people seem to gobble up
While I don’t think the Muslim comment on that site was necessary I don’t think it was said to marginalize a community so much as make a point about Disney pushing inclusivity and representation like that’s the most important part of a show and not the story or characters(mostly the villains). Again, it didn’t necessarily need to be said and definitely could have been put into greater context so that it wouldn’t be misconstrued.
There really no other way to misconstrue it. “1.8 billion Muslims and not even a fraction of you watch this show that you have supposedly been demanding that we make?” All the talk about “diversity” and “representation” yet when the thing is made, they don’t go out to support it. Almost like those things aren’t nearly as important when it comes to story telling as some people would like to think and chasing a phantom audience that doesn’t patronize your product and simultaneously turning your back on the ones that do is a sure fire way to lose money in your company.
I don’t know if I support the notion that another big bad is needed. They already did that with Thanos. I feel like they’re trying to experiment with “What happens after Thanos?” What do these characters do? What new characters are brought into the woodwork? I also feel like the multiverse is gonna be the main focus of these next few phases. If that makes sense.
I agree, I am ok with individual bads and heros mostly on their own tracks before it adds up to anything. There’s just too much too often right now and I honestly think less interconnectedness allows people to pick and choose their own adventure instead of feeling like they have to track it all. Agent Carter was a great series and mostly just background for a Captain America character in the greater universe. It was a character building show in the greater scheme of things. It was just lost in it’s time slot at the time of production unfortunately. The good thing about the Marvel shows pre-Disney Plus was they were just good expanded Marvel content (especially the Netflix ones) with their own succinct plot lines. Starting with WandaVision (which I loved minus the ending) the demand for things to connect to the next Thanos or some larger event became way too high.
It's super hero fatigue. Marvel had an unbelievable run. Good thing the Boys are here to show a different side of heroes. Because I think we seen the same formula for a while now.
I think there’s only 2 reasons why Ms. Marvel had low ratings: trailers making it seem like it was geared towards the younger demographic, with many saying it looks like a Disney Channel show and Disney airing it around the same time as Obi-Wan. As for Thor: Love and Thunder, the divisive reactions might’ve cause that drop, but it’s still doing well. Besides MoM had like 67% drop yet the movie made 945 million, close to a billion dollars. Even No Way Home had a 68% drop, and well look how that turned out. So it’s not really that big of a deal. Oversaturation does play a big factor, and some not knowing wheres it all heading towards, especially with the quality of most of the entries, to put it nicely, not living up to expectations, causing people to grow fatigued and impatient. I’m not someone who’s growing tired of the MCU, but I am getting a bit overwhelmed by the amount of content we’re getting. Still looking forward to some future projects, maybe some might be announced at Comic Con, just hope Marvel get things back on track. I haven’t given up on the franchise.
Why does no one mention it aired same time as obi wan which had massive viewership. No other mcu show aired same time as a star wars show and likely split the fans that are both. How would Wandavision have done if it came out the same time as Mando season 2 or Hawkeye vs bobf
1. it was a character with low comic sales and stupid looking power. 2. her power was changed because the stupid looking power was basically Ms Fantastic into discount Green lantern 3. it was aimed at a younger demographic with a hot garbage looking uniform 4. the title character was out of shape - which made it more comedic 5. the story while family based had no inclusion with the Inhumans or Marvel other than being a fan of Capt Marvel for god knows why. 6. No way home was basically Spider-Man's ENDGAME imho. 7 With this continued narrative disaster awaits ALL of Phase 5 - Bob Chapek should just blow out the studio and rid them of the progressive elements - restore the Russo Bros and create mandates on the popular marvel characters, period.
Second week drop-offs have been the norm for years, even for the most successful blockbusters, so it always reads as a bit disingenuous when publications and commentators report those drop-offs as proof that the film is a failure.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 The character was a fan favorite in the comics dude. She was a fan of Captain Marvel too in the comics and if you’re gonna say her powers are stupid, then Mr. Fantastic are dumb too. And calling the girl out of shape? Bro really? You kinda just sound like a troll or one of those annoying content creators like Geeks and Gamers & Critical Drinker. Even despite the low ratings, the show is still fairly solid and critically praised for a reason. Not flawless obviously, the middle portion did start to lose its identity, but it picked it back up. Sure it was aimed more at younger audiences, but that doesn’t mean the adults didn’t care to the character or wasn’t invested in her dynamic with her family and friends, which many have said were the highlight of the show. Plus even though I’m not loving what Bob Chapek is doing over at Disney nor do I think there isn’t any valid criticisms towards Phase 4 and the MCU in general, I still rather be optimistic than cynical towards the future of the franchise. Because despite its flaws, Phase 4 IMO has put out some really good to great stuff, so I think it’s the disaster or as directionless as people make it out to be. We’re basically back at Phase 1 again with them expanding the universe and setting up where it’s all heading. The clue are there, they just haven’t been cleared. All we have to do is be patient.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 if you ran phase 5 what projects would like you like greenlight as clearly you don't like the way Ms marvel as a comic character and her powers looks like. Btw Ms marvel is a better green lantern than green lantern (2011). That movie killed Hal Jordans ability to have a film for over a decade
It's kind of like when Shonen anime goes on for too long, it becomes a bit stale, over relies on tired tropes, fan service to keep interest in the wake of other competition. For the record, I am enjoying this new phase overall, but I acknowledge it hasn't been perfect. Issues I've noticed: 1) What's the new endgame? Yes, I know of Kang and Secret Wars, multiverse, etc. At the moment though, it just feels so ethereal. You understood Thanos was a threat at the end of Phase 1, Phase 2 formally introduced the Infinity Stones, and it culminated in Phase 3. We were blind to the details, but we understood the path. I think now we're blind to both and that can cause people to lose interest. 2) Too much change to the source material. Yes, Marvel has not been 100% faithful to the comics nor should it be. However, I feel most of the changes were organic and better served the story they were trying to tell. Now a lot just seems to have changed for the sake of it. Taskmaster is a completely different characters and more of a plot device. Ms Marvel uses energy constructs instead of stretching, probably to distinguish her from Mr. Fantastic and link her to Captain Marvel. Marvel does need to be careful with what they change, and when they do, do so in a way the audience understands. 3) They're scrapping other ideas. I think MoM is one of the better products of this phase, but I would have been interested to see what Derrickson's original idea would have been like. Plus Mordo was pushed to the side and in one of their earlier drafts, had Wanda kill him. Strange mentioned Mordo had been trying to kill him for years...you can't just sweep that under the rug with exposition! Hopefully Mordo will be a genuine threat in the future (perhaps as an Avatar as Dormammu?), but seeing what happened and what could have been has me worried. 4) Recast T'Challa. I understand that Boseman feels irreplaceable, but I just can't fathom how you're going to do Black Panther without Black Panther. I'm kind of hoping a variant takes his place. Ethan Hawke was supposed to be the Midnite Man, and if they recast him Marvel is going to look like hypocrites. 5) Movies and TV need a degree of separation. Movies are universally accessible (assuming your country isn't into banning things), but not everyone has or can afford Disney+. And not everyone can make time for the shows, we have lives to lead! I think MoM could have been better received if Wanda's Arc was reworked not to rely too much on Wandavision (and the movie did kind of ignore the ending of that series). Things I would suggest: 1) Let's put more focus on the multiverse and Kang, and why it is so bad. 2) Focus on most of our old cast to complete their stories while introducing 1 or two new mythos at a time. 3) Better think any SM changes through. 4) Make movies and TV independent. They can be in the same universe, but they don't really have to fully connect yet. 5) Pay closer attention to what was set up previously and try to follow through. 6) Either put more money into your VFX teams or focus on series that require less of it. I'm not a CGI hater, but the effects have gone downhill, particularly in the TV. Also, maybe Feige should share leadership with others so they can all make each corner of the MCU the best it can be. I'm sure he's trying his best but I fear he's being stretched thin now and is just approving projects without giving them a proper look over.
We just want something different. It’s the reason I love Ms. Marvel, because it’s different. The characters, the story, and setting. It’s a fresh new look on a súper héroe origin story.
was it? It didn't feel that different to me but I don't really remember it. I feel like if it was, I would have remembered it tho. I mainly just remember hearing podracer sound effects in the main final battle
When Infinity War came out I made up my mind that Endgame was not only going to be a conclusion, but also my conclusion with the MCU. I wouldn't be invested to see every film moving forward, sure I saw No way home and Doctor Strange 2, but that was out of keeping up with the "legacy" characters. The new characters? Not interested. But I assumed kids would love the new stuff
I think right now it's just over saturation. Forced by Disney's hands because of Disney+. I felt like doing 3 to 4 movies a year was the sweet spot for the formula
Yeah Moon Knight won't make sense to a person if the movies have to explain in cramped movie time/don't explain what their main character's even are (dissociative identity disorder systems). Makes me wish disney+ stuff was released in physical because people don't want to use/manage a streaming platform.
I’m still a huge MCU fan. My problem is the writing and storytelling….it has been horrible. All the characters, their backgrounds and abilities, I’m fine with. But there’s a lot of filler in all of these streaming shows…bores me to hell. Also, the movies have gone down hill. After Doc Strange (which was my most anticipated MCU movie this year)….I tapped out. I have no interest in seeing Thor Love & Thunder. I don’t like that they’re making him a goofy hero….he should still be mighty. Anyway…hopefully Kevin Feige can steer the ship back on course.
Feige’s involvement has been more hands-off in Phase 4 - I think he’s rather overwhelmed dealing with Sony’s shenanigans and also Bob Chapek’s incessant need to be risk-adverse. He was rather hands-off for Multiverse of Madness (which is actually my 4th favorite MCU movie now!) because Sam Raimi is such a good director; he apparently intends to be hands-off for Fantastic Four - hand it off to an S-tier director so he doesn’t need to do too much. Marvel doesn’t actually interfere as much as contrarians like to say, but they do pick very inexperienced directors based on name recognition. Visually-oriented directors don’t want to work for Marvel - they hate the studio VFX process that Disney champions.
@@greenman394 Planet Hulk was never going to be a movie in the first place because of rights issues. Do you really think more studio control is a good norm to establish? Think about that.
I know this isn't the Black Panther discussion..but uh WHAT!?... one of the MAIN conflicts between Atlantis and Wakanda was the antipathy between T'Challa and Namor. Why not just recast?! Marvel is starting to loose the plot....something has changed at that studio.
You guys are continuing to make up all the excuses in the world for bad oversaturated direction less content. That's the MCU. Not hard to see why audience investment is falling. A show based on an unpopular character who idolizes another unpopular character is not a huge selling point. Marvel is learning that they can't just put anything out there. No Way Home was big because of Raimi.
One of the issues with the MCU is the focus on representation or diversity over telling a good story. I'm not saying that you can't have one with the other, but when it is so heavy-handed that the plot suffers, then that's an issue. Also, there is no real direction for the MCU, so it comes off inconsequential.
1. Oversaturation. Just too many releases in the genre. 2. People emotionally checked out after Endgame after Phase 4 got a slow start. 3. People are sick of subliminal political messaging and “woke” themes/forced diversity in superhero films. They’re losing touch with their market. 4. Character Assassination or rendering incompetent of classic heroes. 5. Universe is getting so big that plot holes/inconsistencies are now unavoidable. Makes the stories harder to tell.
There doesnt seem to be a post endgame plan. Hype was immeasurable after no way home, but marvel blew it with multiverse of madness by not expanding the universe. Expanding the universe to include xmen and fantastic four is the only way to keep up hype post endgame.
Korey, there are many reason why Marvel is slipping and it has been predicted awhile back before Endgame was released: -Poor story arc for characters that have to rhyme or reason. -Devaluing their legacy characters by making them feel inferior to the "all-new" characters that they have to constantly prop up without proving themselves. -Inflating scores and perception of each film/TV and saying its high. -Poor antagonists -Directors and writer bashing their own work (see Thor:LaT), and then attack their consumers when they have an opinion. -Not respecting their source material and lore. -Using sociopolitical ideology towards their audience and treating them like they are just labels. I can go on and on. But, that's just a taste of what is wrong with Marvel, hell Disney, in general.
Good Lord, it's the same problem the comics are having! I'm pretty this isn't what people meant when they said they wanted this to more accurate to the comics.
Some good points but not the whole story. Many will use certain things to push a narrative but I think it’s fatigue for many and too much superhero content. I was exhausted with the Batman, it’s not just mcu.. There are superhero shows everywhere everyone’s got powers now. The old guard, invincible, the boys, Star girl, Superman, the flash, Jupiter’s legacy etc. tons of superhero movies with knock off JL characters too. It’s superhero overload for a lot of ppl. It’s not just about writing. I think the mcu is fine in that department minus a few duds. But they had duds early on too like Thor the Dark world, iron man 2 and 3. And some ok films like Thor and cap first avenger. Winter soldier civil war, infinity war the first guardians movie, the first iron man movie and first avengers movie is top tier mcu in my opinion. Captain America has the best trilogy
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 I say it's not enough variety. Let's get some Pulp Heroes in there. Bring back The Shadow, Doc Savage, try something new with public domain heroes. We're a generation starved for *real* heroes.
It's the lack of respect to prop up new characters for me. Bait and switch. Star Wars started it and the MCU is perfecting it. To quote the classic 5 Heartbeats: "Ain't nobody come to see you, Otis!"
imo it's not just the "larger arc" that's the issue. the individual movies dont have the quality the previous phases had. this is honestly just a trend with Disney in general. outside of MCU, Pixar and Star Wars has been on a down trend too. so I really just blame the way Disney is handling all their properties across the board.
I disagree. Phase 1 2 and 3 had duds in it. I like Shang chi and Dr strange 2 better then movies like hulk, Thor the dark world, iron man 2 and 3, ant man and wasp, captain marvel, guardians 2. And I may be in the minority but I didn’t really like endgame. It was lazy back to the future cheat code
They needed something to tie it all together. This phase felt very disjointed and the shows were more concerned about which movie it wanted to leach onto. Kang is said to be the next big villain, but they only had him in Loki?
The biggest flaw to me is that in this Phase I'm glad that there doing something different but it can be executed better, like for example. Eternals was different but the changes were executed poorly, and for Doctor Strange MOM I loved but felt like Sam Rami's iconic influence was held back by the script. Another thing is characters that are loved by many are being handled poorly, Taka doesn't understand Thor and made him a joke. Ms. Marvel was changed to a certain degree that caused her fans to not watch the show. Like come on make her an Inhuman and give her the embiggen powers. Its important when making a Comic book movie or show is to attract non fans and fans to the product your making. Lets also not mention the VFX drama.
@@lindinle Love when the internet says things as definitive truth. But eh, yeah Ms. Marvel was a hard appeal. The show wasn't meant to satisfy adult senses of not seeing gen z cringe, Ms. Marvel's design looks more plain and kiddy compared to other heroes, she didn't have much cool factor before the show changed her powers (yes even with the valid criticisms made about the change), there isn't much about Kamala that makes her appealing for the heavy stan fandoms of marvel characters (because Moon Knight got one, there isn't much buzz about being a Kamala stan in my experience other than people who liked Ms. Marvel before). And lack of starpower to get hyped over (compared to your Oscar Isaac's and Tom Holland's and Elizabeth Olsen's) which is understandable.
You didn't like "eternals"!? You have valid criticism of the film!? "No, you must be racist, sexiest and homophobic!" That seems to be the annoying tactic of many people who defend the MCU from criticism. I liked "America Chavez" and would like to see more of her/the actress in other MCU movies.. I'm a liberal but I can kinda see Disney pushing an agenda.. but unfortunately that makes me and many others (who dare question Disney!) Suddenly "evil!!!" You have valid criticism about Ms. Marvel and how they handled the characters powers... " "Nope, you're sexist and racist!" Marvel won't change for the better in storytelling/character issues (whatever they may be) because all criticism (valid or not) are dismissed based on people being "haters". That's a recipe for a echo chamber and diminishing returns.
The same reason why Kamala Khan's Ms Marvel comics kept getting canceled is the same reason why nobody watched the series. You can't blame somebody for not watching something lol. She's uninteresting. Phase 4 is mostly a waste of time. I enjoyed Doctor Strange 2 because of Raimi'isms, but even I acknowledge the bad script. The MCU truly ended with Endgame as most people predicted 🤷🏿
Diversity is important, but nothing is more important than story. You can’t sacrifice plot in place of diversity and gimmicks. They need to find a way to combine their current agenda with strong plot lines. If you tell a good story you can get away with a lot. I walked out of Thor. The plot got lost and I had to bounce. The other issue is target audience. Disney/Marvel is trying to make movies appeal more to the female audience. What they don’t realize is the classic Star Wars, Spider-Man etc. were huge BECAUSE female audience loved those films even though there wasn’t an over powered female character shoehorned in to the story. It’s like WNBA (of which I’m a fan), women still prefer to watch men playing basketball rather than women, which is one reason WNBA is not profitable. Why try to gear everything toward women, the numbers show most female viewers still prefer the male heroes more. Why? Who knows?
Considering marvels plan with ms marvel in both comic and tv, was to get Muslims to take notice of the property, I don’t think there’s anything “alt right” about looking at why said community isn’t watching the product.
If anyone has seen true detective on hbo, the first season has Mathew McConaughey n woody Harrison. That first season so SOOOO good all other seasons felt weak.. not that they were. But compared to... it was a drop. But there was nothing you could do, the chemistry n writing were perfect. I feel the same happened eith infinity war n end game. There will never be a marvel movie that will make the entire crowd stand up n scream like Steve calling the hammer n saying avengers, assemble. Not saying these new shows are bad. Its just the bar was set unrealistically high.
Killmonger is the only dynamic character in the "Black Panther" lineup, otherwise who cares? That little tech girl is bbboooorrrinnng. She doesn't have the, "it" factor necessary to carry a WHOLE movie. They need to get it together, or the Marvel brand is going to fizzle. Maybe this growing disinterest is good because they need to rebrand.
I started experiencing superhero exhaust in general after Endgame. I still watched The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, but I don’t have the same drive to check out all of these superhero movies like I did five years ago. Hell, I still haven’t seen the new Batman movie and am in no rush to do so despite having HBO Max. It’s too much to keep on top of.
The Batman is its own thing, completely separate from the DCEU, it's a breath of fresh air from the monotony of universe-ending or multiverse-ending stakes in the MCU because it's a gritty crime-noir detective story with Batman, and it's a great movie on top of all that.
The diversity and representation is something that I’m really enjoying. It’s good that kids of all backgrounds can have representation. It’s just over-saturation. Whether Marvel, Disney live-action remakes, Star Wars or Pixar, Disney just can’t chill with endlessly producing content until the goodwill is gone.
It’s obviously a mix of fatigue for the tropes that are becoming common in most marvel films and the shows to some extent, and a lack of interesting new stuff to hook people into watching the new releases.
@@dominicc7278 I could defend wandavision myself (aside from its ending), but everything else I at least get why you feel that way. I legit don’t get why a lot of people think Loki was good for the most part
@@mickiemallorie yo what up man? Also, some of the troops people say is. The CGI big fights, undercooked villain, and other stuff I can't remember at the moment.
@@gameb9oy I thought it was great at first bro but then the ending of her having no accountability and the writer’s wanting us to pity her for some kids that didn’t even exist was just so bad and that continued to Dr.Strange 2 the film didn’t even feel like it was about him
Honestly, I think Doom can wait a little longer. As for the next Thanos-level threat, they've already introduced him in this phase: Kang. Yeah, he's supposed to be in the next Ant-Man film, but the fact that we're not seeing them set him up as the next major threat is ridiculous. I'm not sure what Marvel's plans are, but it almost feels like they're kind of winging it.
This is what happens when you’re too big to fail and don’t have real competition. Plus, you can only pull a Avengers Endgame and Spider-Man NWH level film for so long, you can’t keep one upping yourselves forever.
That's why I really hope that if they're making more Spider-Man movies, the stakes should be a little lower. Focus more on the "Friendly Neighborhood" approach to the character. NWH ended with him losing connections to the Avengers, so hopefully that's what the direction will go.
@@michaelstrong5383 I want that to happen for Moon Knight as well. I like Moon Knight season 1 but...... the moon system shouldn't have to fight world ending baddies for every story they have. It would be more interesting if we get to explore the lives of DID system alters that have to live with being a superhero. Them trying to live multiple lifestyles while knowing there are different baddies approach. Just like old superhero tv shows bruh, I just want that plus it would be better than the MK comics that don't cover the lives of Marc, Steven, and Jake much.
One of the reasons as to why the viwership has declined on marvel movies is that the characters that initially started the mcu have mostly left. Iron man and captain America were the heart of the mcu and their stories have wrapped. Now the focus on the mcu are characters that either dont have any emotional connection to the audience because A either they are relatively new characters in the mcu and comics or B the audience has moved on to other movie franchises because of the foundation has left. My other opinion as to why this is happening is because when Endgame wrapped it was considered the finale to the movie franchises that the majority of people went to watch and now the mcu is in an awkward position where they are honeslty starting from 0 again emotionally in regards to the audience but having 10 years of continuity that they have to follow and rely on but with an audience that either hasn't watched those films or believes that those connections and continuity should be left behind to start fresh again like when they originally started. Edit- marvel is trying to rely on emotional connections to bring in the audience but they have to build that emotional connection,they have to justify that love by building it with their new storylines and characters but what they are doing is trying to act that everyone already love their characters that just started their journey in the mcu thinking that people love and adore a character 1 movie in into a franchise. That love was built over years and years of movies. Iron man to endgame was years of movies and emotional connection. You cant get that result 1 movie in. That's how you get the money!!!
💯💯💯 Should be more love for this comment. Phase 1 was building toward the Avengers, establishing the core of the universe with characters that had gravitas that was earned through conflict and hardship. That gravity brought the universe together and held it together. Like leveling in a video game, gotta grind to get to level 99. Marvel is trying to start the replacements at "level 99" with none of the character-building. As you also stated, many of these characters were not well-received in the comics that preceded the movies/shows, but they are being preferred/presented for the sake of diversity/inclusion as opposed to building a team/universe on the strength of the characters overall. RiRi Williams, Sam Wilson, Jennifer Walters, Jane Foster, Kate Bishop, Yelena Belova, Shuri. All new, all different. Feige explicitly stated his desire to see "more than half" of Marvel heroes be female. Don't tell me there is no "agenda", LOL.
