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🎬 With the recent announcement that Hugh Jackman Wolverine will be in Deadpool 3, I think I've about hit my tipping point when it comes to Marvel's Nostalgia Problem. Let's talk about Deadpool 3, Wolverine, and Marvel's Nostalgia Problem.
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Remember 2017's Logan? You know, James Mangold's sublime masterpiece of comic book cinema and PROBABLY still one of the best cinematic send-offs of a long-standing actor from an iconic role, well…ever? It was perfect. Hugh Jackman couldn't have asked for a better way to bow out after nearly 20 years of playing Wolverine. But in classic MCU Phase Four fashion Hugh Jackman's gonna be back as Wolverine in Deadpool 3. And not just any regular Deadpool 3, the first MCU Deadpool movie. I think this is a SUPREMELY bad thing, but I also think that it’s a symptom of a much larger problem rather than THE problem in and of itself. Don’t get me wrong, it’s VERY egregious. Deadpool is a comedic satire of the superhero movie. Logan was a heartfelt conclusion. It’s like if they brought Daniel Craig back for Bond 26, after the character’s moving sacrifice in No Time to Die, only for the film, he returns to be…I dunno, Moonraker? Die Another Day? Tonally that’s what this feels like. What could they possibly do to justify resurrecting Jackman’s Wolverine? It’s entirely banking on the idea that audiences want to see Jackman and Reynolds together, which that’s fine, clearly, the two are friends and have some sort of report together even if it comes off manufactured for social purposes, but why in this setting? Why defile Logan’s grave for the sake of money. It simply speaks to the MCU problem in the fallout of Avengers Endgame. They're unable to let the past die and are even less interested in telling original, character-driven stories that serve to be more than another Disney product. It's not just about upholding artistic integrity, it's about a complete perversion of art and entertainment to the point that people only care to watch the new MCU movies for the sake of cameos, nostalgia, empty fan service, and hype. The MCU doesn't care, so why should I? In this MCU video essay, Griffin (@griffschiller) discuss Marvel's Phase Four Problem, the Deadpool problem, why Wolverine in Deadpool 3 is a bad idea, why I hate hugh jackman wolverine in deadpool 3, why nostalgia is ruining Marvel, and why I'm done with the mcu. Hopefully you understand where I'm coming from and try to enjoy this video on Marvel's Nostalgia Problem.
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@FilmSpeak Год назад

What do you guys think of Hugh Jackman returning as Wolverine in Deadpool 3? I'm I alone on this one? Comment below!

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

I’m definitely excited for sure but also cautious about how it will be done.

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

Honestly, it feels kind of awesome but it won’t be great

@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Год назад

Logan is very overrated though. The second one is the best Wolverine movie. Deadpool 2 is garbage, so I'm not interested in this.

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 😂😂😂😂👎👎👎. You are so wrong.

@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Год назад

@@chasehedges6775 They trash Wolverine in Logan. It's pretentious and deconstructionist. Only the first act is good. Wolverine being ended by an old tree is not acceptable. If Yukio, the awesome ninja girl, is in Deadpool 3, I will go see it. I almost walked out of Deadpool 2 though.

@destine1547 Год назад

The MCU won’t hesitate to prey on your nostalgia at every turn

@fahimalfaisal7781 Год назад

Yes they will and will continue to ?Because wait for it ,it’s their fucking character they can do whatever the hell they want with any of their character !Who the hell are you to tell them what to do with their character ?LMAO !🤣🤣🤣

@warofmankind Год назад

This is my take... A certain demographic doesn't care to see diversity on screen when I say diversity I'm strictly talking about skin colour not sexual orientation! Thus begging for characters like Daredevil whose shows were done right respectfully in their eyes, in which they also see themselves in. To them Deadpool and Wolverine look more like them than a Shang Chi or an Eternal would. ... "The MCU is dying" rhetoric is only coming from that group of people a large group might I add. Because now you have characters like Shang chi and ms marvel getting some spotlight, all of a sudden it's "woke" & "racial politics" I might sound crazy but I'm serious... it's really come to this! it's the definitive reason why now we have characters from the mid 2000s making comeback appearances seemingly from the dead all because those characters were from a time when "forced diversity" wasn't a thing.

@fahimalfaisal7781 Год назад

@@warofmankind very well put !

@theghostofsparta4528 Год назад

Here we go again the nostalgic talk 🤦‍♂️

@TheMaestroMizerous Год назад

@@fahimalfaisal7781 But he's film speak he's speaking for us I guess...

@gabgabatz Год назад

As much as I would personally enjoy a wild multiversal story with Deadpool and co., it does scare me that with every future superhero crossover film they make will be undermined by the same tired trappings of confusing comicbook tropes going forward.

@vegas707 Год назад

wym

@Jose-se9pu Год назад

Following the MCU has become just...exausting.

@anthonyplanzo1082 Год назад

Deadpool and Disney cannot coexist together. Impossible

@thejordyoshi Год назад

Yes. I am so tired of people thinking that crossovers and cameos are what make movies good. Logan is by far the best live action Marvel movie and how many cameos did it have?

@rayfriedrich5224 Год назад

@@vegas707 multiversal bullshit

@DarkShadow4003 Год назад

Hugh said he’d never return to the role unless it made sense, after multiple offers to be the character again he said no, so if he’s doing it this time it’s bc he wants to not bc of marvel or whatever you say. It’s his choice and I support him doing what he wants bc it feels right to him.

@yasianproductiontales8640 Год назад

Well, if I’m being honest, I think it’ll be another send off to Jackman’s Wolverine. From the teaser, Reynolds said “one more time”. And in Deadpool 2, Deadpool got a portable time machine. So I’m thinking that since Deadpool is probably aware of the merger and that he’ll be going into the MCU, he’s probably gonna wanna try to bring Jackman’s Wolverine with him. They’ll go on some adventure probably because Deadpool loses the time thing or it gets stolen and him and Wolverine gotta get it back so Wolverine can get back to his timeline. Maybe it’s one of those things where Wolverine recognizes “Wade” from Origins, but Deadpool is like “I’m not that f***ing c*cks***ing piece of Fox Studios branding bullsh*t”. Point is, Logan will probably find out that he will die, and Deadpool just wants his friend to go with him. Logan will decide to continue his path back towards the Foxverse and Deadpool comes into the MCU alone. So yes, nostalgia and whatnot. I’m still trying to be optimistic since the MCU has let me down too many times recently. Is it a cash grab? You know it. Am I defending it? Not really trying to. But I’m expecting another self contained Deadpool story.

@B1gBoyPants Год назад

I think if Disney just lets them do their thing, then it has the potential to be great, if they have the same team behind it that did Deadpool 2. I really don't think this decision to include Hugh Jackman was made by Disney. I feel like they've been building up to this for a while, and it was a part of the plan before Disney even got involved. However, I don't want this to be the same version of Wolverine. I want a chance to see classic Wolverine played by Hugh Jackman, which we've never been given. They probably won't shrink him to 5 feet tall (that would be really funny though, now that I think of it), but I'd really like to see him play the Wolverine character closer to the comics. And I also don't want this to go way off on a Deadpool/Wolverine in a separate universe story. I still want this to focus on Deadpool and Venessa- which has been the anchor for both movies so far. I could see them doing one of two things- 1) a proper X-force team with Deadpool, Wolverine, Cable, Colossus, and Domino, or 2) More of a solo Deadpool/Wolverine adventure that still ties in with the story so far from the first 2 movies. Maybe Deadpool gets kicked out of X-force, or decides to take a break from X-force to raise his kid with Vanessa. And then while he's on his own, he gets mixed in with Wolverine somehow. I don't know. I feel like there are many ways this could work really well though.

@Truman5555 Год назад

I mean, Deadpool said he would do this at the end of DP2. When he goes back to kill the Origins monster.

@Fanimei Год назад

I honestly think Secret Wars will be the send off to Jackman’s Wolverine. Since in the comics Secret Wars ends in a multiversal reset. It would be the right opportunity to recast the X-Men.

@B1gBoyPants Год назад

@@Fanimei please no. This seems like a one time thing, and I'm happy keeping it that way. Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine in a Deadpool movie, specifically, has been built up since the first movie came out. I believe they've been planning this, or at least talking about it together, for years, as can be seen by their social media "rivalry" and their joking with each other for years about Wolverine and Deadpool hating each other. I believe this is the only movie Hugh Jackman would ever want to come back to the role for, and I honestly don't even think he's gonna play Wolverine the same way he did in the Fox movies. My hope is that they make him more like classic Wolverine. AND HE SHOULD NEVER COME BACK AFTER THIS.

@GeraltofRivia22 Год назад

Giving Disney way too much credit.

@FreedomCinema88 Год назад

If Marvel keep the R rating and give Ryan, the director and writers enough freedom I really can see this being as good as the first one.

@Marvelousgamer7697 Год назад

This movie is going to be the first rated r mcu project with a Deadpool everyone now loves and a Wolverine everyone is excited to see come back I really don't know how this could be seen as lazy especially if the storytelling abilities of the writers can transcend the script on to the Silver Screen and truly convey an interesting story about Deadpool and Wolverine that isn't straight up garbage like X-Men Origins Wolverine.

@greenfiend781 Год назад

I agree

@pizzatime4204 Год назад

they've said that dp 3 is gonna be rated r

@leopixels404 Год назад

And considering how mediocre the first one is... that doesn't sound good

@haha-lj5sq Год назад

@@Marvelousgamer7697 speaking of silver, can’t wait to see the surfer with actual good CGI

@filipjanik2933 Год назад

It's a win win situation, Ryan and Hugh are such a good friends and they will definitely have great time doing this movie together that fans just wanted to see for years, they even have such a fun time promoting the movie, if anyone can do it right it's them, life is too short not enjoy this piece of entertainment, you can still view Logan as the sending off point for Wolverine, its not like they will retcon his death in Logan and also I dont think Disney can recast Wolverine or other Fox X-men until 2025 becuase of legal reasons so might as well use Hugh while there is time before the new Disney versions of the characters take a shot at adapting X-men

@williampearson6299 Год назад

Yeah, I thought were against this in Hollywood. Hiring friends and Nepotism?

@yashrajgaikwad5629 Год назад

@@williampearson6299 they aren't new in Hollywood..Both are already established Actors. If Your Statement Is Really True..We Can Blame Old Directors For Hiring Same Actors Over And Over Until One Of Them Retires Or Cast Someone Else on his place.. Like Scorsese And De Niro, but Since Rob got old Martin's next Cast Was Dicaprio And Still Is.. Or Tarantino And Sam Jackson...

@yashrajgaikwad5629 Год назад

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@kbreezy1581 Год назад

@@yashrajgaikwad5629 What's funny is that so many of those channels talk about how much they love cinema, but all they do is shit on MCU and starwars.

@DaNxYsmells007 Год назад

Aha just like Robert Downey Jr got stuck in a contract with marvel and have the same director be in the same movie every yeat

@tyannaalexander Год назад

I stand in solidarity with you, lol. As a fan of comics but also a fan of cinema, it’s blatantly oblivious that the MCU has writing issues. It’s gotten to the point where telling a cohesive story has taken a back seat to making endless cash grabs. I know this was a difficult video to make because MCU fans go to the ends of the earth to defend whatever silly nonsense the MCU puts outs. Great video and very honest!

@silasgreaves6134 Год назад

2 minutes in and I’ve already got a problem with the video. Dude clearly missed the bit where this takes place BEFORE Logan’s death which is something that both actor’s mentioned is as important to them as it is to the character himself. This isn’t “Wolverine brought back from the dead” and nor is it comic whimsy “alternate timeline Logan” either. It literally IS LOGAN. BEFORE he died. Can you not just accept that there is a very obvious gap in time between films where the character is seemingly floating around doing fuck all? You can literally make a story there and it WORKS. Not to mention the duo between Deadpool and Wolverine has always been comic gold and isn’t just something movie fans are mindlessly asking for. The synergy between Deadpool and Wolverine combined with their shared background as experiments but with heavily contrasted personalities has always been great. EDIT: Just finished the video after growing increasingly frustrated with this guy’s awful take. It feels like he’d been bottling up this opinion for YEARS and as soon as Ryan Reynolds said the name “Hugh Jackman!” The guy unleashed this 20 minute slog of idealism without actually stopping to finish listening to Reynolds mention the fact that they aren’t TOUCHING the overall arc of Logan and nor are they cheapening his portrayal because they’re literally revisiting a period of the character’s history that fans love. It’s like saying you’re not allowed to make a film between the prequels and the original trilogy of Star Wars. When that’s LITERALLY exactly what they did and have done all the time with stories like Kenobi and The Last Jedi: Fallen Order. It’s an exciting period in that story that was SO WELL WRITTEN the first time around that the writers left a door open for themselves years and years later to write a new and plausible entry into that timeline which only bolsters our love for those worlds and those characters. This guy says that he feels “alone” but I call cap on that, because that’s a fucking lie. It feels like it’s MORE popular than ever before to hate on the MCU and criticize it (and I’m not saying some of it doesn’t deserve criticism but criticizing for the SAKE of being critical is where things get out of hand) now that the glory years of a single and unconfused timeline leading up to avengers infinity war are over. And to justify that opinion because “well Scorsese said it so it must be true!“ What a load of bullshit. Which basically makes this video one giant fucking mistake because he didn’t bother to check for the validity surrounding the very basic details of which his whole point is built on top of.

@MarioSonicBee Год назад

I doubt anyone will agree with you cause they’ll just pass off your genuine criticism as being a “MCU shill” but that doesn’t mean you are wrong.

@silasgreaves6134 Год назад

@@MarioSonicBee that’s exactly what I’m saying there’s no fighting with these people.

@juliandavis9711 Год назад

Yeah this just seemed like a lot of complaining to me. Like I get where he’s coming from but….it’s not that deep to me at least

@iraford5788 Год назад

Yep most definitely agreed unfortunately most people on this channel will probably just ignore your entire comment because it goes against their narrative of anything mcu/marvel related.

@kingscittlesgaming1708 Год назад

Watch thell just call you MCU fan boy or blinded by nostalgia without fully reading it (tho for ones that do read and not insult good on ya for actually reading stuff that disagrees)

@IcyDiamond Год назад

Personally I think the movie will be a banger, Deadpool and Wolverine can have such great chemistry together with Deadpool being the snarky one and Wolverine being the annoyed one, also if you’re worried about this ruining Logan, they said they’re not going to mess with it because it takes place in 2029

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

It’ll be awesome but hopefully it doesn’t ruin Logan.

@nofx9090 Год назад

If this doesn't mess with the Logan arc and timeline, how is this anything other than amazing?

@okay__. Год назад

@@nofx9090 it's not changing anything

@ronald8664 Год назад

@@nofx9090 they said it would be before his death

@nofx9090 Год назад

@@ronald8664 that's what I mean. It's not changing the timeline and it's not messing with Logan. So I'm not sure why this is a problem.

@oleksandrbyelyenko435 Год назад

You made me agree with you. But I gotta say I expected Hugh Jackman come back to play Wolverine one more time before the announcement. So regardless of loving this idea or not, I was mentally prepared for it.

@B1gBoyPants Год назад

Same. I had a feeling he'd be appearing in a Deadpool movie somehow. It really feels like they've been building up to this since the first movie.

@vq_kadin1846 Год назад

@@B1gBoyPants definitely

@zserbs2326 Год назад

Even with everyone being super excited for this I feel the same way as you. I give a lot of credit to go against the grain with legitimate early criticism and concerns on something like this. Nostalgia’s so strong some ppl are blinded and shut this down as hating smfh.

@FilmSpeak Год назад

Thank you for hearing me and watching. It's definitely not a popular opinion and I'm fine with that. It's just how I feel and if people agree that's awesome, if they don't that's cool too. I just want to express my concerns because I love this genre, I love big budget, blockbuster entertainment, and I just want it to feel like art again.

@realityshifter3399 Год назад

@Z Serb I'm sorry, but it's shallow to complain about people being blinded by nostalgia over a film NO one has seen.

@iraford5788 Год назад

@@realityshifter3399 yep most definitely agreed.

@williampearson6299 Год назад

@@FilmSpeak Aren't we against hiring friends and Nepotism. That's why its difficult to get new people in this industry.

@yashrajgaikwad5629 Год назад

Comeon You Didn't Gave A Sh!t About LOGAN Before This Video

@maxfordgaming9278 Год назад

It's crazy how the MCU is making the same mistake that it's source material made. By introducing the multiverse, it removes stakes. A character dies don't worry there is another version of the same character in the multiverse somewhere.

@deonnelson9780 Год назад

This won't affect Logan at all for me I can separate both movies and understand that this movie has no impact on the X-Men timeline and just have fun with it imo.

@Robert-fr4it Год назад

I feel like it is more unique when the variants are played by different actors imo

@Lord_Tigerr Год назад

Yeah, but the multiverse can tell great stories. The Spiderverse is probably the best use of this. The problem is when its used in a lazy or egregious way.

@perkshaven Год назад

wow the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduced a huge thing from the comics. Shocking.

@williampearson6299 Год назад

@@deonnelson9780 You're cheapening the content, Dude. You are compromising this progress of the MCU by bringing back old material.

@Justintime4xmas24 Год назад

The problem is that at end of Deadpool 2 he goes back into time to Wolverine origins kills that version of himself then states he knows he hung up his claws but asks him to team up with him in his new movie. This team up makes so much sense

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

Same. But at the same time it feels like they are just bringing back Hugh Jackman just to bring back Hugh Jackman

@DjDaveedo Год назад

@@chasehedges6775 well yeah thats the point

@Justintime4xmas24 Год назад

@@chasehedges6775 🤔😑

@gnarly441 Год назад

Logan really was a masterpiece and for me that really is where the character of wolverine ends

@joshhorton5449 Год назад

I get your point. However, Ryan and Hugh are super close friends and really love and care about their characters. They both will make sure they do this film justice. I wouldn’t be so pessimistic about this inevitable piece of cinematic history.

@theirishpotato6588 Год назад

Agreed

@nope5657 Год назад

I will, because it's very existence is cynical.

@greenfiend781 Год назад

It’s more than The Last Jedi that led to this. Eternals was also a factor as well in terms of Marvel Studios trying to make a movie that was unformulaic and Oscar worthy, only for critics to thrash it because they dare show their fear and hypocrisy of embracing new ideas.

@javonh6761 Год назад

To be fair Eternals was just a bad film that was all over the place

@greenfiend781 Год назад

@@javonh6761 Because it was unformulaic and different compared to a majority of the MCU.

@javonh6761 Год назад

@@greenfiend781 it's was more like they all existed without much purpose and just free-flowing. They gave them such a grandiose purpose but very few instances it came into play. It also hurt the film that they were present during the Infinity Saga but has little to no interaction given their purpose. The deviants seemed like an afterthought as a villian and got shuffled off with the celestial birth

@joshendley Год назад

I have no idea how Hugh returning as Wolverine in the MCU takes away from the artistic integrity, narrative character, emotions of Logan. That movie still exists. That movie can still be watched AFTER Deadpool 3. It changes nothing about Logan. If it was a problem, Hugh probably would’ve had the integrity to say “No, when I said I was done, I meant it.”

@racool911 Год назад

Because apparently Jackman playing him again somehow breaks that finality, and warrants us fans not seeing him again.

@DaggerNL Год назад

@@racool911 you could, could watch Logan after deadpool 3.

@jobsmine Год назад

Well now. It undermines the ending. How would you feel if they brought back Iron Man in other universe. That would make his sacrifice lame and atypical. Just like they did with Palpetine in star wars. Vader’s sacrifice was lost in vain for the sake of a mary sue character of Disney.

@racool911 Год назад

@@jobsmine Huge difference here, they literally resurrected the character of Palpatine. I would be fine if we get Iron Man in a prequel or a different timeline because it doesn't affect his ending in any way

@jobsmine Год назад

@@racool911 are you kidding me? Maybe you would be fine but I honestly wouldn’t. I would never want to see Iron Man again after his final good bye in endgame. He sacrificed and that was it. I believe that we need to respect the ending of a film or a notable character.

@thehorrornoobs5481 Год назад

Yeah not gonna lie, when I heard Hugh was coming back I had a weird gut feeling…Unlike Tobey or Andrew coming back because those characters never had a proper send off seeing as Raimi’s SM4 and Marc Webb’s TASM3 were supposed to carry on the characters stories, but those movies were cancelled so having them back in No way home felt acceptable and warranted. But Logan?? That was a 15 year plan in the making…it was the endgame to not just the character but Hugh’s Wolverine…This is like reviving Robert Downey Jr for more Avenger movies. No matter how much sugar coating there is it feels cheap and it feels like an insult to the characters legacy.

@FilmSpeak Год назад

YEP. Dead on the money. It doesn't matter if it happens before Logan, if it's a different Wolverine or whatever, it's still Hugh Jackman returning as Wolverine after he and us already said goodbye to that take on the character. Cheap is exactly what it is.

@realityshifter3399 Год назад

@@FilmSpeak Wait, it doesn't matter if the film happens before Logan? Why not? That is like saying bringing back Gus and Mike in Better Call Saul is cheap because they used the same actors reprising their roles as those characters. If anything, I think one of the best ways to bring back Hugh Jackmans Wolverine is if it DP3 took place BEFORE Logan.

@realityshifter3399 Год назад

@The Horror Noobs I highly doubt RDJ is coming back as Tony Stark, the only way I could see that working is if they brought him back as an A.I., in which they bring him back without actually bringing him back.

@taliamason7986 Год назад

@@realityshifter3399 Money talks. If RDJ is offered a kings ransom to come back even a 5 second cameo he will like most actors in the industry 100% take it no questions asked.

@thehorrornoobs5481 Год назад

@@realityshifter3399 he’s not coming back

@jdmarsh91 Год назад

You clearly didn't pay attention to the announcement, they made it VERY clear that they were not undoing Logan, that is separate from Deadpool 3

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

8:47 the wolverine is really underrated the directors cut of that movie is even better like I love it man

@anthonycarrasquillo6758 Год назад

The weird thing about Jackman's Logan being integrated in a deadpool movie is it seems more like a continuation of the 20th century fox X-men universe which I actually quite like a lot, but this Deadpool is suppose to be part of the MCU which is at odds. Honestly those Reynolds and Jackman's characters feel more consistent together given that they were operating at the same time and share the R-rated anti-hero characterization. I guess I'm more concerned with deadpool after the movie and how he comes into the mcu since they plan on doing their own Mutant interpretation, this will probably be Jackman's last run unless they bring him back in secret wars well see

@B1gBoyPants Год назад

I don't think it's that big of a deal. The Deadpool movies have been very self contained, and there are so many ways they can explain him entering the MCU. Or they don't even have to explain it in-universe. He can just suddenly be in the MCU and it'll work, because he's Deadpool. If they really want some sort of an explanation, he can just say something like "we got bought by Disney so I guess I'm in the MCU now." He can interact with two version of Wolverine, and it still works because, as we saw in the first Deadpool movie, he knows about different timeline versions of characters. If you want an in-universe explanation, they could say he is hallucinating Hugh Jackman's face onto Wolverine's body. There are so many ways they could make it work. They could even make a joke about how Wolverine is gonna be recast in the next movie, and trying to figure out who's gonna be the next Wolverine. There are so many directions they can take it.

@VogtTD Год назад

So a Deadpool 3 with Hugh and Ryan feels like a continuation of Fox, but. A Deadpool 3 with Ryan doesn't? LOL. No matter how you look at it, it's a carry over from the Foxmen universe.

@radrno7 Год назад

It's still the Fox universe. Fox being bought by Disney doesn't automatically make Deadpool a part of the MCU. Could they just throw him in there? Yeah, but since the contracts go 'til 2025, 'Deadpool 3' will most likely still be in Fox universe. Hugh Jackman might be brought back one last time for 'Avengers - Secret Wars', but I'd say his presence in 'Deadpool 3' will also be tied to the Fox universe, so don't expect Hugh Jackman Wolverine to show up in some flashback with Chris Evans Captain America or anything. The most I could see MCU in 'Deadpool 3' is maybe the TVA because of Deadpool's mess through time.

@TheJephProductions Год назад

I’m glad I’m not the only one that feels like this

@bemasaberwyn55 Год назад

Also I do find it very very fascinating that Man of Steel and the subsequent films in the DC timeline are still being talked about 6 years or more on whereas a film that only came out 3 years ago which was the culmination of 20 years work is barely mentioned anymore. Help people are still talking about Zack Snyder's Justice League and what an achievement that was. I just find that incredibly fascinating

@pinaka5461 Год назад

Only talking about bs drama nothing about movies lol

@lanalan4157 11 месяцев назад

Living in the butthurt Snyderturd bubble

@The_Story_Of_Us Год назад

Dude, this is hysterical, literally the first thing Ryan and Hugh said was they're not TOUCHING Logan at all, he died in it, that's its own thing. This is like getting upset that Hugh Jackman showed up in the mid credits of Deadpool 2 for a joke. In fact Deadpool 2 is literally one big meta joke about Deadpool being envious of the movie Logan and in many ways a parody of it. Literally the first line of the movie is "FUCK WOLVERINE", complaining about Logan one-upping him as the good R-Rated Superhero movie, and the whole movie basically sees Deadpool play out the same story arc and even directly parodying Logan's emotional death scene. But what, does Logan somehow become less emotional because Deadpool 2 exists or that Hugh Jackman plays the character again in an entirely different, overtly comedic context? They are completely aware of what they're doing and that Logan is a significant thing and they're purposefully and officially working around that to maintain the movie's emotional core. Plus EVERYONE is fucking stoked for a Deadpool Wolverine teamup, it's kind of a thing... You're part of the less than 1% who watched the Deadpool 3 announcement and went "Oh no..." much less "OH I HATE IT SO MUCH I'M DONE!". This is not a nostalgia problem, it's a you problem, I'm sorry. It actually belies a very significant problem with certain subsects of movie goers who seemingly have this perception that a death or death arc is cheapened by the character appearing somewhere else, because they're making it about the LITERAL PHYSICAL APPEARANCE of the character in media rather than actual emotional beats of the story. They're not being sad about Logan's death in the movie because of the arc, the acting, the characterization and the communication of emotion that creates empathy and invokes sadness, they're literally just crying because he supposedly won't show up anywhere else. Which is exactly why Logan isn't so sad and effective. It's not because it's some end of an era bullshit, it's because the movie is genuinely emotionally appealing and engaging because of its filmmaking merits. Getting mad that he shows up in Deadpool 3 is what actually cheapens his death scene, because it implicitly relegates him to no more than a media presence or an object you are attached to rather than a character one is invested in because of how compelling he was in said media. I don't watch Doctor Strange 2, see Charles Xavier and then go "Well I guess that RUINED his death scene in Logan", because I think that's baby-brained shit...

@IcyDiamond Год назад

I think it’d be funny if Deadpool was salty towards Joker (2019) throughout the movie, not only did Joaquin Phoenix win an Oscar for his Joker performance, but it beat Deadpool as the highest grossing Rated R movie of all time, it’d be especially hilarious since Joker 2 and Deadpool 3 are coming out in the same year

@tdlpedro2009 Год назад

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 So well said. I couldn’t agree with you more.

@redmangoose182 Год назад

Put into words what I was feeling, well said.

@thomasjohnson1885 Год назад

If Iron Man died then appeared in every movie afterward as a variant no matter how good his death is it undermines the finality of it because that’s what it was advertised as. Logan was his one last ride now we see if a bunch of cash is out in front of you you’ll just tear down that feeling of finality

@The_Story_Of_Us Год назад

@@thomasjohnson1885 did you really just walk face first into the brick wall I just put in front of you?... You did, you really did...

@fakhrirhizadi5585 Год назад

I think you’re on point when saying that this all happened after The Last Jedi. I love the creative risk taken in that movie. However, nowadays we still have movies like Avatar, Smile, Beast, Elvis, League of Superpets, The Batman which have passion in them while also being blockbuster-y. I’m just gonna watch all MCU on disney hotstar (at 2 dollars a month in my country) and go to the theatre for movies like the ones i mentioned.

@micasreynhamar6946 Год назад

dude deadpool and wolverine in the comics ar such an iconic dinamic it macks all the sens in the world man

@gustavoclarindo101 Год назад

That intro was exactly my reaction. Nothing can top Logan and there is no point trying in a Deadpool movie

@eyezonly8593 Год назад

It was an alternative Universe from the X-Men.James Mangold and Hugh Jackman said it was a different Timeline in an interview for Logan.

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

I think alot of people just ignore that interview except for me and you

@Lord_Tigerr Год назад

Yea they said they treated it as a standalone film, but it can go either way to be honest. Also, Disney can change it.

@eyezonly8593 Год назад

@@Lord_Tigerr Suit yourself

@Antwannnn Год назад

@@mickeymouse7726 yeah but even Ryan says I'm the recent vid that Logan is separate. FilmSpeak just wanna be mad. Logan is still great film and send off.

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

13:30 I understand your point but in this specific scenario I personally don't care I'm just going to enjoy the film when it comes out and hope it's the best possible outcome man

@maxeroni_1621 Год назад

Bro literally just kept on repeating that the writing is lazy and the creators are lazy for 20 minutes💀

@zhiyingdi3720 Год назад

Dear post phase 3 Marvel, when Martin Scorsese said "MCU is a theme park ride", it was meant to be taken as a criticism, not as an instruction.🙂

@veemon9280 Год назад

"Anything can happen in the multiverse" is a double edged sword. While it allows for *any cameo* from previous movies ... it also removes any consequence for any of the films' major plot points

@JackSmith-ns1uq Год назад

You are definitely not alone. No Way Home had earned its moments, but immediately after we got Multiverse of Madness and I knew that Marvel just cant stop. It cares more about shock value than quality story-telling. Endgame and NWH were a great exit to Marvel imo. As whole theyve just been suck-ups to the culture rather than being artists.

@Jose-se9pu Год назад

NWH pretty much killed the genre, Hollywood took all the wrong lessons from that movie...still hard to believe how fast the MCU is imploding, though.

@JackSmith-ns1uq Год назад

@@Jose-se9pu With NWH they had the opportunity to bring back two legacy characters. They had 5 films of history, plus the advantage that of all the spiderman films being released in somewhat close order so a good portion of your audience has emotional ties to the introduced characters. Most importantly it brought them back in an honoring and satisfying way. It payed off big time (if nothing else financially). But thats a rare recipe. You see immediately with MoM that they didnt understand that. While NWH certainly catered to the fans in bringing beloved characters it did fit with the story and felt meaningful and worthwhile, which does lead to good financial investments they COULD use to their advantage because people want to continue the story with ALL of the spiderman characters. MoM however just threw fanfiction at the wall for the sake of it. It didnt add to the story and it proved meaningless. The one character they had that couldve had a similar impact was Xavier. For a moment in the film I thought he couldve been incredibly useful (when he goes in Wandas mind) but he turned out to be as useless as every other pop up character. Using his and the audiences experience with him trying to reach Jean (and the other xmen to an extent) couldve been an emotional moment that payed off. Instead he and all the other characters were simply there for the general marvel audience to get their does of adrenaline (and lets be honest half of the audience has to look up youtube videos to understand whose from what anyways).

@realityshifter3399 Год назад

@Jack Smith Isn't it rather pretentious to gatekeep who is and isn't an artist? For instance, Marvels films like the Eternals didn't feature any nostalgia and fanservice and felt different for most Marvel films. And yet it was probably the most panned Marvel films from both critics and audiences. But was the Eternals director Chloé Zhao not a real artist? Why do we get to cherry pick who is or who isn't an artist?

@JackSmith-ns1uq Год назад

@@realityshifter3399 People really love using the term “gatekeep” lately but its pretty useless toward me or any other random person on the internet. I dont hold the keys to gate. Right now Disney holds the key to the gate. Certainly sometimes artists get through, for sure. But all you have to do is see the turn over rate in directors leaving projects due to “creative differences to understand.” But lets go on with the “gatekeeping” idea. If you are satisfied with ikea art, no problem. But at the end of the day there is a difference between ikea art and museum art. Artists are going to care about that difference. They are going to know it and understand it. Naturally if you get a piece of ikea art and claim its museum art, people are going to call BS, for good reason. Its not that you cant be happy with your ikea art, its not that theres anything wrong with you enjoying. Its simply very clearly not museum art. So is that gatekeeping righteous? Id say not really. The museum art earned its place. Ikea art in turn earned its place: not in a museum but in a store, mass produced and sold so that everyone can have it in their living room. Now look, I get it. Personally theres nothing special to me about a Jackson Pollock painting. To me personally its not worth more than $20. But i have to acknowledge that to artists who are into it, and are in that medium, and understand that history - they know its worth thousands of dollars. I have to acknowledge its worth based off of that and not what Id personally pay for it. So whose to say the random joe or jill that did your picture from ikea isnt an artist? Nobody or everyone. Its relevant. Im sure they have a great portfolio of cool stuff. At the end of the day people are paying $20-100 for their work at a store, and single work of Jackson Pollock is thousands and thousands of dollars at auction. Lets bring it back to movies. I enjoy me some Transformers man. Its not a piece of art by any means. Its a amusement ride plane and simple. I turn off my brain and watch cool vehicles turn into warriors and punch eachother in the face. Im not denying that people didnt work hard on those films, or that the people involved arent true artists. Theres a lot of craft involved, Michael Bay knows his stuff when it comes to what he does. Theres a lot of craft and artistry when it comes to a theme park too. Marvel isnt any different. You go on your ride of mindless action, quippy jokes and brief moments of drama that are then interrupted by more quippy jokes followed a fun cameo and some more action - why? Because its a ride. Thats what it is. Nothing wrong with enjoying it. Just dont get it mixed up something else. The eternals had some good cinematography at times, particularly in natural landscape for sure. But the story is jumbled mess. The characters are less memorable versions of other superheros (im pretty sure Ironman’s suit has more powers than half their team). The design is forgettable. Their are too many characters leading to them being pretty one-note. I couldnt hum you a single tune from the soundtrack. I dont think its Zhaos fault necessarily. But at the end of the day thats all there not because the artists in each department didnt want to make art but because they are making an ikea photo assembly lined product. Not. Art. Dang. I shouldve just made my own video essay to reply to your comment 😂. Anyways. At the end of the day is that pretentious gatekeeping? Maybe? I dont care. Label me however you want. Its about as meaningful as my “gatekeeping” is to the large fandom. Its not. If you actually read that whole response, bravo man. Dont take anything personally - for me I just enjoy talking about this stuff and its nothing more than that to me.

@realityshifter3399 Год назад

@@JackSmith-ns1uq No, you don't actually have to "hold the keys" to act as though you're gatekeeping. In fact, that's the problem with gatekeeping, they don't hold the keys but what to decide what is legitimate and what is not legitimate for the rest of us. And I let go of the whole gatekeeping idea when people STOP doing it. "But at the end of the day there is a difference between ikea art and museum art. Artists are going to care about that difference." What do you mean ikea art and museum art? I don't think museum art is style or genre of art. Do you mean high art and low art? Because the lines between high art and low art have increasingly been blurred in the art world. "Naturally if you get a piece of ikea art and claim its museum art, people are going to call BS, for good reason. " Why because ikea art is accessible to everyone? Does being accessible make it less artful? That's a little pretentious. "The museum art earned its place. Ikea art in turn earned its place: not in a museum but in a store, mass produced and sold so that everyone can have it in their living room." So, because its art that you have in your living room that means that it's lower quality of art? I'm sorry, but the idea that great art only belongs in a museum or gallery is a rather outdated notion. "At the end of the day people are paying $20-100 for their work at a store, and single work of Jackson Pollock is thousands and thousands of dollars at auction. " But that's not how it works, the quality or inherent work of a piece of art is reduced to how much its worth. Because that can obviously be relative. Also, do you think pieces of art is just inherently worth thousands of dollars as soon it's made. Granted, I'm not the biggest expert of the art world but from what do know that isn't how it works. "Theres a lot of craft involved, Michael Bay knows his stuff when it comes to what he does. Theres a lot of craft and artistry when it comes to a theme park too. Marvel isnt any different. You go on your ride of mindless action, quippy jokes and brief moments of drama that are then interrupted by more quippy jokes followed a fun cameo and some more action - why? Because its a ride. What you said about Michael Bay and Marvels films can easily be said for any genre blockbuster. From Jurassic Park to Raider of the Lost Ark to Terminator to Alien to original Star Wars. Based on your definition of what is art, you can easily say that they were all just rides, with spectacle being the main selling point. " I dont think its Zhaos fault necessarily. But at the end of the day thats all there not because the artists in each department didnt want to make art but because they are making an ikea photo assembly lined product. Not. Art. " No, they wanted to make art, that why they hired her to begin with. If they just wanted to make an assembly line product well then that could have been any body. It didn't have to get Chloé Zhao to direct. "Anyways. At the end of the day is that pretentious gatekeeping? Maybe? I dont care. Label me however you want. Its about as meaningful as my “gatekeeping” is to the large fandom. Its not. If you actually read that whole response, bravo man. Dont take anything personally - for me I just enjoy talking about this stuff and its nothing more than that to me." Don't worry, I didn't take anything personally. I just strongly disagree with your outlook on art. I think we should have gotten to the point where we should question the hard lines between pop art and high art? I mean, was TDK trilogy an amusement park ride? What about Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy? Where exactly does low art become high art? Or is it always low art due to the subject matter?

@gibbings5534 Год назад

I cant really blame marvel for using nostalgia because if they try anything new people complain that the old stuff was better

@julianvalencia9351 Год назад

@MuhammadShoaibKhan-fs8yj Год назад

The problem began when people start confusing amusement for cinema

@markmolino679 Год назад

Facts .It seems like Martin Scorsese's theme parks analogy was right all along.

@Antwannnn Год назад

@@markmolino679 no shit he was right. But the "theme park" is still "cinema." Just a different style/approach.

@winninglifeyo Год назад

I want to see them together as these characters & Hugh getting a costume

@littlehotcheetos Год назад

I said this in the live stream, but I'll say it again for the people watching afterward. Sure it could be fun watching Hugh's Wolverine interacting with a proper Deadpool (unlike Origins: Wolverine), but it probably won't do anything major for Hugh's character. Loki died, and it was a great endpoint for him. He got brought back and has gotten good character development but the same can't really be said for what they're probably gonna do for Hugh's Wolverine. It'll be shits and giggles. There's not too much room for Hugh's Wolverine to grow and develop as a character. Maybe I'll be wrong about what DP3 can do to develop Hugh's Wolverine, who knows. But sure, if you wanna see Hugh's Wolverine and Ryan's DP have bloody fun, then to each his own

@ninjanibba4259 Год назад

Loki did not get good character development, they ruined him, that was a terrible take

@triplemoyagames4195 Год назад

Loki didn't develop, they completely changed him and made him weaker. DP3 Isn't gonna develop Wolverine, his arc finished in Logan, the movie will occur during his growth, when he is older

@intergalactic92 Год назад

Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool movies have earned a lot of good will from me. I trust them to do it right.

@dcmastermindfirst9418 Год назад

Please. It'll be recycled jokes. The first movie was great. 2nd .. not so much

@ahkenaten522 Год назад

The second was better than the first for me

@kinetic_kripesh8279 Год назад

Hey, I know this comment might feel out of place but recently I saw your hawkeye review video. I 100% agree with you on hawkeye I actually liked it a lot and was feeling sad and kinda alone that very few showed any kind of interest in it, sure it wasn't perfect but it was charmingly cute with a sense of optimism. Thanks for giving your genuine reviews and opinions. I might agree with only 40% of your views but I am happy that you try not to punch down on people who might disagree with your reviews and opinions. Thank you :)

@Skooby Год назад

Ryan had this planned and wanted this for years it’s his company that oversaw the production of the first 2 films, I have confidence that he will deliver this in a good way, he’s shown he’s a fan himself, I don’t think wolverine will be used as a cash grab

@Skooby Год назад

@C Sorgini he’s had this plan since before the first movie he was talking about it years ago, this wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t have that idea to bring to the table

@roopnarinedeonarine4417 Год назад

I get your point. I am excited, I just hope they do it good and right. Like The cameos in No Way Home we’re good and fit the story well, The cameos in Multiverse of Madness I thought were alright. I just hope Marvel knows what their doing and does this right. Give Hugh Jackman a great performance as Wolverine and do it good. That’s what I’m hoping they do, so let’s hope so

@FireJach Год назад

Exactly as you said, CAMEOS in No Way Home no real characters which is sad :(

@yashrajgaikwad5629 Год назад

@@FireJach But Their Presence Moved The Story Further. If You Really Want To See A Useless Cameo Watch End Credit Scene Of Shazam..

@B1gBoyPants Год назад

I don't want this to be a cameo. He should be an important character in the story, and should be a totally new version of Wolverine played by Hugh Jackman. He shouldn't be connected to the old X-men continuity (any of them). I also don't want this to derail the story we've built up so far, though. I still want the core of the movie to be Deadpool and Vanessa. Maybe Deadpool is raising a kid now. I really think, though, that this will be more than a cameo. I feel like they've been building up to this since the first movie, and I think he's gonna be an important part of the story, and more than just a throwaway reference. Deadpool has shown in the first two movies that it can create characters I care about, and can balance comedy with action and heartfelt moments. I really believe that they can do a great job with this and make this version of Wolverine stand out and matter.

@angelglass2618 Год назад

@@yashrajgaikwad5629 Or like the cameos in WandaVision the movie Remove them and absolutely nothing changes except that the movie will have less forced feminism

@angelglass2618 Год назад

Seriously after what they did to Patrick Stewart's Charles and his horrible cameo in WandaVision Ft Dr Strange do you think they will respect Jackman's Wolverine?

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

4:10 I mean that's just a perspective you can choose to either agree or disagree with it and that's fine I'm just looking forward to having fun with the Deadpool wolverine team up movie after the pandemic really depressed me over the last several years man

@madoniaart1744 Год назад

Part of why they are bringing back Hugh and using Patrick Stewart as Xavier, is because of the fox contracts. To even be able to use those characters anywhere in live action, they have to use the fox actors. Atleast until the contracts end in 2025. But it would have made it impossible to get any new iterations of X-men characters in something until 2026 at the soonest and that’s pushing it. I don’t think it’s that egregious that they are doing this, it’s just not ideal

@liquidamerican8543 Год назад

This was very well explained. I kinda felt this way even for No Way Home. I can admit it was pretty cool to see all three Spider-Men together on screen but I still felt like I was the only person to not really like it that much, basically because of what you talked about here. I just didn't really feel like it offered much, except "remember this?" (and the Aunt May scene. That got me.) I think it is fine to just appreciate nostalgia sometime because there really is no harm in it. But I agree that shouldn't be ALL there is to sell big budget movies. It does seem like things are getting worse in that department.

@blackrider2241 Год назад

This is where I gotta disagree sure it maybe over produced but it’s directed by Ryan and Ryan was limited to whatever he can do to Deadpool while he was at Fox Now that he’s in the MCU he’ll figure something out things maybe canon One thing I don’t like is I feel like it’s going to be a 1 & done type for the Wolverine Character like they did with quicksilver in WV or DSMOM wall of cameos i got high hopes but not that high

@Ken19700 Год назад

Logan is still Wolverine's ending. Deadpool 3 takes place before Logan.

@Ken19700 Год назад

In fact, Logan takes place in 2029.

@tototv8078 Год назад

You make a lot of really good points, after a perfect send off of a character most of us grew up with, he just comes back for the only reason of hype. Don’t get me wrong I’m still really excited to see jackman return but there are some good points in this video

@sirkingjames4656 Год назад

This whole comment section is just going to have a bunch of marvel Stan’s getting mad now

@pizzatime4204 Год назад

I don't see how him returning is an issue. Deadpool 3 is gonna be rated r, unlike other mcu movies, and this doesn't disregard what happened in logan since that movie takes place in the future. If anything I think this movie would make the ending of logan even more sad since we know that he's gonna eventually die. These characters had a lot of history and heartfelt moments in the comics, like them both relating to their pain and trauma, and helping eachother through them

@Lonnyboiii Год назад

And plus this movie is set before the events of Logan I don’t get what he’s harping about

@marquiswolf2766 Год назад

@@Lonnyboiii people don’t pay attention

@theilluminatibenefactor Год назад

@@marquiswolf2766 People really find anything to hate on the MCU for whatever reason... I love the MCU, fully. After Endgame, I praised Marvel so much I clearly yelled, "I OWE YOU EVERYTHING, MARVEL!!!"

@Locadel2003 Год назад

2:20-2:37 Exactly man, I want this movie made

@j-rexentertainment7246 Год назад

This is why I’m delving back into Tolkien (Rings of power included) and the fantasy genre, though not perfect either the deep lore and adaptations of the stories just add to how great that universe of middle earth is. Ive altogether taken a break from Marvel and Star Wars. Its really nice to have so many mythologies portrayed in film to choose from because you can take a break from one and delve into another one that makes me excited all over again. Tolkien rules!

@DangeistYT Год назад

i never was a huge Marvel fan ,but clearly they are milking the hell out of cameos to sell tickets ,i mean they spent decades building this universe and characters dont see anythingwrong with it ,u reap what you sow i guess

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

💯💯💯💯. I agree.

@MegaDynamiteDan Год назад

I've been a marvel fan since spiderman but they have been stumbling recently

@prathapkutty7407 Год назад

Secret wars is basically gonna be cameo filled bonanza.

@Fourmath Год назад

Oh my god 3 movies, one that hasn't even came out yet, means that all the MCU cares about are cameos and we need to all start bashing the MCU because they apparently now suck

@MegaDynamiteDan Год назад

@@Fourmath Yep nothing but cameo clickbait

@aegondracula Год назад

I feel the exact same way, I really didn't want Hugh Jackman to come back as Logan. It would be like if marvel decides to bring back Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark as a varient but that would still undermine Downey's goodbye to the role. I would have been if it was Dafne Keen taking up the mantle of wolverine post Logan and co-starring alongside Ryan in Deadpool 3 via time or demensional travel or if they just recasted the role of Logan but Disney-Marvel are afraid that any actor could live up Hugh's iconic performance of the character so they go the lazy route and bring back Hugh even though he said goodbye. Now look I many people wanted the accurate Deadpool and Wolverine to interact on screen but it was too little too late for that and I made peace with that at the time. I was fine with their "rivalry" as themselves. Bringing Hugh back is going to retcon Logan's death but it does retcon Hugh's meaningfull farewell to the character.

@angelglass2618 Год назад

Exactly, although many MCUfanboys deny it, the tape will damage Logan, it will take away that something that makes her so special. What a disappointment that Jackman ruined that for a few zeros on his check, nor did Christian Bale succumb to Warner when they insisted on another Dark Knight without Nolan.

@Wolffman109 Год назад

Hey, FilmSpeak! What are your thoughts on the Thunderbolts lineup? Are you gonna make a video on it?

@GoatGuy36 Год назад

This entire video is that meme where the guy is screams quit having fun.

@GermanCptSlow Год назад

I honestly don't care about continuity and whatnot in the MCU anymore. I just hope to get some decent movies every once in a while, since I haven't watched it that closely since the disappointment that was Endgame. So if DP3 is good, despite everything you pointed out in the video, I really don't care about its glaring issues and consequences.

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

Soooo true. The MCU should’ve stopped after Infinity War.

@heavy5013 Год назад

People wanted these 2 to do a movie together as these characters since we got the proper Deadpool. Why is giving people the movie they want, again, a problem? I'm all for this

@SamuelGalvan_ Год назад

Did you watch the video? Because it’s part of a trend that can be problematic

@heavy5013 Год назад

@@SamuelGalvan_ The trend of people being mad at stupid shit just to be mad? People have been asking for this to happen even after Logan. And now that it's happening it's a problem? That's stupid. People need to find something a little more important to complain about or just stop complaining about everything. It gets old.

@taliamason7986 Год назад

@@heavy5013 Then start consistently making better variety of media and a lot of the complaining will quiet down. Simple as that.

@heavy5013 Год назад

@@taliamason7986 It doesn't matter what's done, people will always complain. Even if you give them what they ask for. You think what's being done isn't good enough, go make your own stuff. Go do better.

@taliamason7986 Год назад

@@heavy5013 Um no its does very much matter what's done. While complaining is always going be there to some degree, it can be controlled and has been in the past fairly easy to quiet it down when you bring enough variety of good media. I and most people know for a fact its not good enough. Recent drop in Box Office numbers and drop in streaming ratings for a lot these type of movies and shows in the last few years also clearly highlight it.

@jessicasmith1766 Год назад

Ok I saw your thumbnail and shouted, “THANK YOU!!” in my living room, so thanks for being the only person other than me not happy about this!!

@insygnia_ Год назад

"they can bring anyone back from the dead." Goku: Old News.

@Falkaisis Год назад

While I see where you're coming from, I have to disagree on this. This got me super hyped. I think there is so much they can do with this. For fans of the comics and or even fans of the movies, who wouldn't want to see Deadpool and Wolverine together? Specifically these versions of the characters that a lot of people see as the definitive live action versions? This could be the chance to see Hugh Jackman in the classic Wolverine costume. See his dynamic with this Deadpool. Maybe see him and Colossus interact and hopefully get the Fastball Special! I think we've had so many superhero movies for so long being so careful about doing crazy comics stuff. Instead trying to focus on a more grounded and realistic take. We're at the point where now anything can happen! Never in my life would I have thought we were going to get to see all three Spider-Men in one movie. Never did I think I was ever going to see that Doc Ock interact with that Electro for example. But it's possible! It's fun and exciting! These are things that we could only dream about in the past. Now it's becoming a reality. We're always going to have Logan. We're always going to have that end for that aspect of the character in that bubble. I don't think it's wrong to see these two interact in a movie disconnected from Logan. To just have a movie for the fans and people that want to see it. I think it'd be more egregious for them to say, "Yeah we could've done this really awesome thing that plenty of fans would've loved to see, but we decided not to.". If this is the one and only chance to get a more comic accurate look and feel for Hugh's Wolverine and to see him interact with this Deadpool, I'm all in.

@enz0380 Год назад

It’s cool that Deadpool and Wolverine especially with Ryan reynolds and hugh Jackman will intereract but the whole point of Logan was that hugh jackman wasn’t supposed to come back and play him again even if it is apart of another universe

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

💯💯💯. It all just feels unneeded

@okay__. Год назад

@@chasehedges6775 if you have read they comics you would know that it is something that is very well needed Deadpool and wolverine are an iconic X men duo who have teamed up multiple times in the comics with the best interactions

@jackelproductions7035 Год назад

Agree with you completely dude, though plenty of the nostalgic fan service moment and characters through the cinematic multiverse and even the fan service taken from the comic books are nice to see and cool and can only match our wildest dreams, they also feel completely insincere, empty, and lazy. This franchise has given me some of my best and most positive memories; nothing will match the excitement that I felt as a younger kid when the Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame first came out and I saw the trailers for each of those film. Now, this franchise is giving me a worried, sad, and disappointed feeling, and I am relatively young and the target audience for the MCU and I am barely buying in to it at all anymore.

@JE3MAN Год назад

To hell with the popular opinion. I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly. To bring Hugh Jackman back as Wolverine completely undermines what was, in my opinion, one of the greatest character send-off in the superhero genre. Same can be said of Iron Man and Captain America in Endgame. For what it's worth, their respective send-offs were PERFECT in Endgame. Their character arcs and stories as a whole are DONE, you couldn't possibly ask for a more satisfying ending for them. Now imagine Feige announcing that RDJ and Chris Evans were coming back in their iconic roles...

@TheStacyJamesShow Год назад

I think it could’ve been even funnier if deadpool just kidnaps Hugh Jackman and is on the run through universes looking for wolverine as they bicker back and forth all through out. At the very very end, maybe even a end credit, we see Hugh as wolverine, in the classic costume, and ends on a deadpool joke (I just thought of this at the start of the video but I like it)

@GibbySoapBox Год назад

I’m gonna say this, the reaction to the news of Hugh has been hilarious to me because everyone thinks they know what’s going to happen and that’s not the case. I mean I loved the Fox X-Men but let’s be honest it could have been way better but the MCU will do better. And to the thing about nostalgia, it’s not all Marvel is doing; 3 of there projects out of a bunch dealt with cameos and nostalgia and had mixed results but it’s not a bad thing. I’d rather be excited than all this stuff I’m seeing being so negative and “cool” bashing the MCU when all this comes down to is people not willing to accept that maybe it’s not for you anymore

@Ninox32tgretwh Год назад

Yep, this guy wants a movie with Deadpool in it to be a masterpiece hahahahahahahaha

@GibbySoapBox Год назад

@@Ninox32tgretwh I mean the first one was a lucky hit because it was different from all the Fox ones that came before it and it’s what we wanted to an extent. Same reason we loved Logan too and it felt like change was in the air for the X-Men brand. But then when Fox was bought but Disney that change felt almost too late and then we got Dark Phoenix and The New Mutants (the latter I didn’t mind actually) and the brand left us with a whimper than a bang. Now the X-Men brand has slowly built itself back up for us to be truly excited about seeing these characters again and the original concept for DP3 is a possibility rather than a what if (albeit with some tweaks obviously) and I couldn’t be more excited because it’ll feel like a proper farewell to that side of the franchise before we completely move on to the MCU version of X-Men and Mutants. Which so far I’ve enjoyed. And for the nostalgia it’s worth it if it’s like No Way Home. And Ryan and Hugh are very smart people and know what they want from their characters and what the fans want.

@bryceshawgo7696 Год назад

Honestly, I would think I'd hate this because of how much Hugh's portrayal of wolverine means to me but I don't. For me Logan is still the send off for his character. I'm still gonna love that movie when I watch it, and seeing Ryan Reynold's deadpool on screen with him is something i never would've dreamed would happen as a kid, so I like that I get to see that happen before the actors get too old to play the characters.

@ultimax10doesgaming48 Год назад

I get what you're saying. I want the MCU and blockbusters in general to be more creative and story driven again too. On the other hand, I think Deadpool 3 will be something special at the very least. Ryan has talked about wanting to get Hugh in a Deadpool movie ever since the first one and now his dream has come true. I'm glad for him and I think it'll be a fun ride. Also, Marvel Studios legally cannot cast any new X-Men characters until 2025 so even if they wanted to, they can't use any characters unless they're the fox actors for another two years unfortunately.

@zandersalazar858 Год назад

I dont know I felt the same way when it was basically confirmed previous spideys were coming back and it seriously bothered me. But after actually watching the movie I was ecstatic. Cash grab or not, I quite honestly don't care, I'll probably have fun with the movie regardless. This is literally the last chance we can see Hugh's wolverine interact with actual Deadpool. I can still enjoy Logan as a film because it still is Jackmans swan song. Deadpool x wolverine film doesn't take away from that for me. What Logan was, especially when it came out, doesn't change. It was the send off to the previous generation of superhero films, basically one last hoorah in the midst of the MCU juggernaut. And very few mcu films can hold a light to Logan. I'm excited, and I still love Logan, nothing changes much for me with this release

@BattleDamageProps Год назад

For those (including Filmspeak) this isn't set After Logan. It's not like those aweful Starwars Sequels that undermines and cheapens Anakins sacrifice when he tossed palpatine over the railings. Or the Rings of Power that dumps on Lore and The Jackson trilogy (Mithril is from an elf and a Balrog fighting over a tree and lightning hit it? Lol, eff off show). This movie needs to happen. We need this. We need the cheap fan service. I know what they are doing, I'm on board for it.

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

14:50 I'll add Jurassic world, fantastic beasts and pretty much every major franchise like Terminator, alien, predator, men in Black to that list

@holdenm.c5495 Год назад

I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Because the actor/character has been given a good closure and then they will revive it?

@Salamander128 Год назад

I agree with you mostly. I don't hate it as much as you seem to. I'm mostly bored with all the cheap cashgrabs. I also don't like them. The film might be good, who knows, but I'm not sure.

@Trelitty11 Год назад

But everyone asked for this literally everything they've been doing the fans have asked for and when they do it the same people complain 😂 fandom is unpleasable

@TheMaestroMizerous Год назад

Fickle! - Daniel Bryan

@venuskuellar6530 Год назад

MCU physically can’t use another actor for Logan or most other X Men Characters because of Fox movie copy right reasons and no one wants to wait any longer for another Deadpool movie just fyi. Plus this would break the record with HugeJackedMan being the longest betrayed superhero from an actor ever (23 years) 💛💙💛

@devrayne6770 Год назад

I’m pretty sure this was more of Ryan Reynolds doing than Marvel. He’s probably been begging Hugh to join ever since the first one.

@GibbySoapBox Год назад

Just adding on. What about Deadpool 3’s TWO announcement videos lessens Logan as a standalone film? Like most of Fox films felt stand-alone rather than interconnected like they tried to do. Logan is an elseworld story at best, and with Deadpool 3 expressing they aren’t touching that, how are we still having this conversation? Logan will always be a masterpiece and will always be Hugh’s last go from that era and I’m sure DP3 will usher in a new era and chapter in the same way that No away Home did for Spider-Man.

@Liamx-00 Год назад

Characters like Indian jones, Rambo, the terminator, wolverine are so inter woven into the actors that play them it’s impossible to replace them

@shelbyvillerules9962 Год назад

I already saw a video on YT that pretty much satisfied all the multiverse/crossover nostalgia I could ever need. It was called Endgame the full multiverse war

@kylehoschar5309 Год назад

Couldn't agree more...I expressed all this immediately after the announcement.

@Antwannnn Год назад

I'm sorry

@Cobalt-Blue22. Год назад

I don't think this guy understands the concept of MULTIVERSE.

@Cobalt-Blue22. Год назад

@Ronin Warrior BRUH. That is the most ridiculous thing I've seen today. Majority of art is either a copy, mimic, or inspiration of something that already exists. But please, explain the "true concept of art" since I am so terribly naive.

@TheMaestroMizerous Год назад

@Ronin Warrior You and others feel that way, but others clearly disagree or don't care simply wanting this film to happen. You don't speak for us all..

@Cobalt-Blue22. Год назад

@Ronin Warrior 1. Originality is a myth as literally anything and everything has already been done at some point in time whether past, present, or future. 2. Why are you even here? If you don't want anything to do with marvel then why watch a video about it? As long as they aren't forcing agendas or political opinions down my throat, I'm perfectly fine with them bringing back old characters. I know that have been pushing things as of recently, but I also know that they are and will continue to financially suffer as the result. 3. You do realize that you are literally having a virtual meltdown over fiction right? I'm all for getting aggravated and mad when the companies do stupid things, but at least I keep it to myself and act mature about it. Grow up and leave.

@Cobalt-Blue22. Год назад

@@TheMaestroMizerous Exactly.

@samuelmackenzie5267 Год назад

Can I ask what your thoughts are on when they brought back Ripley in alien resurrection after alien 3. Maybe it was climactic, but the difference between the two movies is that one was depressing as hell. Resurrection decided to attempt to bring back the thrills of aliens, thus ending on a bit of a higher note even though it is not the greatest of finales. At least resurrection was memorable. I enjoy every time I watch it. The water scene alone makes the movie worth seeing. It wasn’t a depressing soap opera like 3.

@obeseconan7835 Год назад

to continue with the james bond analogy, i think this is more like if craig co starred in an austin powers movie.

@r0cket104 10 месяцев назад

I feel the same way about kingpin in Hawkeye his presence completely undermines what daredevil season 3 spent a whole season trying to do

@scandellcardscomics8389 Год назад

This is one of the stupidest takes on this this subject I've ever subjected myself to. Yikes.

@DangeistYT Год назад

Kevin Feige has officially lost his mind.

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

Indeed. Still, even before Feige, the MCU/Marvel films in general were hit and miss.

@okay__. Год назад

Hugh Jackman isn't gonna return as wolverine forever but they can't recast the X men until after 2025 Deadpool 3 isn't changing the events of Logan

@MarioSonicBee Год назад

I don’t see how he has, this guy is clearly in the minority even the MCU’s most harshest critics like this move.

@LUCIAFROMGTA Год назад

He was always just in it for the money

@hawkzulu5671 Год назад

Feige was a production assistant on Xmen 1.. Hes the guy who just walked up to Hugh Jackman as cameras were about to start rolling and styled his hair into the signature look from the comics (Logan was intended to have an ordinary hairstyle in the xmen movies)... and Feige/Jackman have been friends ever since. Hugh saw his friend - that lowly production assistant create the highest grossing franchise in movie history- save Marvel and save the entire theater industry. He has a chance to work with his friends Feige and Reynolds and will be able to live with himself if he lets that pass him by? Jackman Probably has more attachment to Logan than we have..but theres 1 universe that is Wayyy more important than the movie universe and its canon.. This universe.

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

2:46 because it's Hugh Jackman's wolverine that's why none of the other Fox X-Men characters as much as I like them are as iconic as Hugh Jackman's wolverine

@FilmSpeak Год назад

No, I'm saying they could've used quite literally ANY X-Man that either we haven't seen or is a new actor playing the role.

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

Sure but nobody will care as much man people right now are excited about Deadpool 3 because Hugh Jackman's wolverine is in it no other X-men character is going to have that effect ever you just have fun with these movies because they are meant to be crowd pleasing movies that's it

@pizzatime4204 Год назад

@@FilmSpeak I mean, it's probably because deadpool doesn't relate nor have an relationship with any x-man besides wolverine

@TheFilmNerd Год назад

Hey FilmSpeak! This was a great video man!

@robertmarginean164 Год назад

If you're asking me, it's just boring. At this point, the MCU movies and TV show are either about a D tier Marvel character orbringing back someone we know from a different universe/timeline, OR BOTH. It's not interesting, it's not intriguing and most importantly, it's not even good. The writing in Phase 4 has been absolutely atrocious

@Drako7077 Год назад

😬😬😬😬 These NEVER fail to be cringe.

@pedmonds2011 Год назад

The video or Deadpool movies?

@Drako7077 Год назад

@@pedmonds2011 the video.

@pedmonds2011 Год назад

@@Drako7077 I understand it is kind of cringy. It just feels like a rant for something most people want. But treating it like everyone shouldn’t like it. Only because he doesn’t like it. He feels shortsighted and kind of ignorant to think that this movie will “ruin,” Logan.

@thomasjohnson1885 Год назад

@@pedmonds2011 It is cringey to not blindly enjoy things

@marquiswolf2766 Год назад

This whole video is funny

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

16:47 absolutely they should but I'm fine with just not thinking too much about this stuff there's alot more serious things to worry about man

@lturner7159 Год назад

You're right the over usage of merging characters into movies often takes the attention off of an actual good emotionally driven story Arc often resulting in extreme lack of character depth. The more you see a familiar face pop up in marvel movies the more the story drifts away from the story, the more the actors forget to remain in character and suspend disbelief also the writers must not rely on nostalgia to tell the story because the story still needs a well written logic to defend it's existence. My biggest gripe with BVS was everything except Ben Affleck's Batman performance and his scenes as The Dark Knight. It was believable, it was fascinating but the rest of the story lacked extremely in rational and any to little form of believability. I believed Logan when I watched it, infact the movie was so well written I saw it 3 times in the theater and brought it on DVD upon it's release because the movie finally honored the character in terms of tone, depth and the perfect character driven story arc.

@myplaylist3738 Год назад

Let's just be grateful & appreciate that we're getting this film. Both actors are getting older day by day. If not now, then when? Also Secret War is coming. Do you want to see Wolverine & Deadpool in it?

@chasehedges6775 Год назад

I’m excited to see Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds share the screen together but at the same time it’s clearly pandering to the nostalgia and Fanservice of it all

@FilmSpeak Год назад

Yeah for sure. I agree.

@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Год назад

@@FilmSpeak How can you be for The Last Jedi and be against this???? Though it's a pretentious deconstructionist movie like Logan. Ending with Wolverine ending the X-Men is completely unacceptable. The Last Stand and Dark Phoenix are better endings than Logan. (Both are underrated, especially Dark Pheonix. X3 isn't great, but it's fun, closer to the comics, and better than X2 (especially with the deleted ending).)

@FilmSpeak Год назад

@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Because it’s the antithesis of what they’re doing here?

@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Год назад

@@FilmSpeak But they trashed the OT and it's characters in the first two Disney sequels. The RoS is decent though. Logan is an unacceptable ending and should be seen as an alternate timeline story. Dark Phoenix is underrated and a good ending. Even The Last Stand is a better ending than Logan.

@okay__. Год назад

@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 Logan is based on a comic book old man Logan so they couldn't change the ending too much

@JayPerrier Год назад

Couldn’t agree more. Jackman has been Wolverine for over two decades, and his sendoff was probably the best comic book movie ever made. Recasting the character is long overdue.

@fireironthesecond2909 Год назад

Ngl if they had told us this film was being made after Infinity War I would have been frothing at the mouth for it. But now? After things like the Scarlet Witch film, the Eternals, all of the god awful shows and more? I’m just more scared than excited. It’s the same feeling I had when Daredevil was announced for She-Hulk. It’s like “Great! How are they going to screw him up?”

@0verWay Год назад

The introduction of the Multiverse to the main MCU was the biggest mistake they could've done. It's bound to lead to absolutely pointless movies with 0 consequences, stakes or suspencion, because everyone and everything is not set in stone and has no lasting impact because there are infinite alternative universes they can go back to anyway. Why exactly should the audience give a single shit about any character or storyline whatsover anymore? They should've made a lot more other movies, with other characters, that are standalones and have nothing to do with the whole Multiverse stuff, but instead build up their villains to such an extent as they did Thanos. Ultron was wasted, Dr. Doom is not even mentioned, Kingpin is underused etc.

@mickeymouse7726 Год назад

I get your point it's valid but I don't care I just want to have fun with these movies instead of treating them like their citizen Kane or whatever cinema movie that Martin Scorsese makes

@ck_sidekick8306 Год назад

Dude, this has nothing to do with nostalgia. This is something fans have demanded for years. Marvel is literally listening to the fans. Ima go ahead and respectfully suggest/assert you never read many comics. To assert that movie story lines have to be treated differently, is easily interpreted as an assertion that comics and the way they tell their stories is somehow "less than". It's a bit arrogant. LOGAN was literally a movie based on nostalgia, with the long awaited R rating....... Thanks in large part to, wait for it.......... DEADPOOL. Quite literally, Marvel can't re-cast characters until after this movie. Quite literally, nobody wants to see another character. Nobody wants a new actor with Ryan. It IS meta. Their real life friendship, paired with 4th wall breaking, AND Wolverine vs Deadpool is anything but lazy. It's comics 101. And yes, it's absolutely appropriate to let comics philosophy transfer into film philosophy. At least when you are making Superhero movies. This is the PERFECT way to introduce X-MEN and mutants (along with DEADPOOL) into the MCU. Hugh actually gets to legit pass the torch now. If you think DEADPOOL wasn't a risk (a recent risk) you're not paying attention. (Except you are)..............but I get it. The "hot take" keeps your comment section poking that algorithm.

@matriaxpunk Год назад

Isn't Logan supposed to happen in the future? So it doesn't even have to be an alternative timeline, and it doesn't need to alter his send off. It could be just a prequel.