Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - Digital Foundry Tech Review - The Next Big Leap For PS5? 

That's the power of playstation 5, you pc and Xbox fanboy are learning now

​@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pdPS5 is the platform with the weakest hardware it's purely down to optimization

​@@ryanwellington7493 forgot about the series s?

1008p is not good optimziation.

​@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pdbro just stop. Try running path traced cyberpunk on a ps5 lol

ah yes... cuz Days Gone on PS and The Last of Us on PC were greatly polished at launch, right?

@jcdenton4110 Every single AAA game in the existence had outsourced work. The question is, how much money are you willing to put into your product to polish it up to a high standard.

​@@brunoutechkaheeros1182days gone was an anomaly and last of us released in a pretty good state on console. Don't be salty because second rate PC players are being treated accordingly

​@@brunoutechkaheeros1182Days Gone being one few exception doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Sony First Party ON CONSOLES are some of the best polished games out there. Exceptions are not the Norm. Also, The Last of Us Port for PC wasn't made by a Sony First Party Studio, it was made by Iron Galaxy Studio which is a Third Party. Go there check it out how PC Ports made by Nixxes ( Sony's First Party Studio ) behave.

Uhum forespoken?

Santa Monica et naughty dog aussi ❤

Absolutely. Guerrilla went as far as to give their tech out to Hideo Kojima. The engine powering Death Stranding (Decima Engine) is also the same one powering the Horizon games. They’re getting ready to have other studios use it in the future.

This is true. I have not yet seen a game that looks better than killzone ps4. That game looks really astonishing!

Using the same map every game will help with that 😂

Guerilla? Forbidden West was almost identical to Zero Dawn, aside from a few mechanics they copied from other games. Zero Dawn was also a better game overall, with a much better DLC.

It looks like a PS3 game in parts, especially the character models look atrocious.

Weird how long it took Sony to buy them considering how they have been doing great PS exclusives since the PS1 days.

Cause Sony buys potencial studios Not like MS buying already Well known Ips

Microsoft fumbled hard passing up Insomniac after Sunset Overdrive and not choosing to make the Spider-Man game… or another Marvel game.

​@Andy.G8 yep and thank God they did fumbled, because at the time they were not as committed as of now days, probably Insomniac would be closed by now

Microsoft lacks vision. It cannot see hidden talent or potential in game companies like Sony does. Microsoft only buys what is already successful instead of thinking of innovation or the long term future. This is why Sony has beaten them in every single generation so far and will continue to do so far into the future.

And there's a growing number of them, it seems.

Especially the east river lmao. It’s solid… blue, but browner the closer you get. And if you swam in the ER or Hudson, well… no need for stem cell therapy later in life I guess

You only see the perfect reflections when the water is completely still.

@@pierre-charlesleonhart8357 I was thinking of lake Superior and the Saint Louis River, very rarely do you get much reflection on these either (and they are mostly pollution free).

Spiderman 2 should be Called first AAAA game.

Can u tell me if VRr on or off would make any difference on my 60hz monitor??

My monitor hardly support vrr and will it reduce any quality if i turn vrr off?

​@@rahullund6152VRR does not reduce quality on graphics. If your monitor do support VRR then you should have it on. VRR enhances frame rate or makes it more stable. If your monitor does not support VRR then it doesn't matter if you have VRR on in the game as it will not be enabled anyway.

Right haha Watching on a phone it took me just a second to realize it was real footage.

The team definitely studied atmosphere, light, dark, tones, shapes, and the water lighting, waves, plus fluidity. Everything has so much care put into it

The need to caption it "Actual New York" made me laugh out loud. We've really made it!

and paradoxically it becomes boring

The contrast is crazy if you use the animated suit in the first game.

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking. The game looks so good that I didn't realize the image on the right was a photo until I saw the label lol, I assumed it was comparing quality vs performance mode

The comparison isn’t even close 😂

and then you also pause at 9:29 and realize how far away we still are from true to life visuals

30fps

​@@albanier8426that was on performance mode lol

Yeah this makes me excited to see what technically advanced companies like naughty dog and Rockstar do with their new titles

​@@rhimil11Naughty dog💀💀 Nah they fell off Imagine Remaking a PS4 game TLOU P2 (A last gen game) just so they can advertise their live action show they don't care about gamers anymore but casuals watching the show

@@kentstopme I feel you to an extent because I can't get over how Ellie looks in the live action 🥴🥴

​@@rhimil11or the fact that they wasted a whole episode on a same sex love story because it's the cool thing to do these days....not like they could have used that episode to add to ellie and Joel's connection lol. I can't believe ppl take up for that ridiculous episode.

Yup really shines a light on how poorly Xbox utilized them as a studio. Sunset Overdrive was ever underrated and under appreciated by Xbox.

i do miss that autumn look of the first game

quality? Game crashed twice, npcs are clipping through objects and through main characters in cutscenes. Ambient city sound disappears. Feet are clipping through the ground

@@snowpuddle9622 well those are just bugs that shows an unfinished product perhaps. Probably going to be fixed soon.

@@zvisapir6792What about the ridiculously low resolution? Hairs and post processing effects looking like shit and image looks very blurry, this is not good optimization.

Harry is venom and venom kills Kraven in the middle of the story

this is not true, do not believe it. stop spreading false info lol @@Ghostfacecapalot

And 60fps

@Ghostfacecapalot I already have the game tell me sum I don’t know bud🥱

Insomniac has always been insanely talented devs. They were pushing boundaries with Resistance on the PS3. I think with Spiderman they finally found an IP that matches their talents perfectly, and it shows.

Harry is venom and venom kills Kraven in the middle of the story

Nah...this doesn't beat Ms. Pac-Man.

everybody knows harry is venom and everybody knows venom is the final boss lmao the entire visual design of this game is the black(venom) taking over the red(spider-man) so grats on ur "spoiler" bro it was pretty cringe and worthless @@Ghostfacecapalot

@@GhostfacecapalotLoser

@@Rukushinexactly lol

PS5s start at 399$ sir. And you can get one for less in the used market💯 sell your PS4 and that makes it even less then 399$💯

And also a car was trying to cross after the red signal but gets stuck as other cars start moving from the other side. Amazing detail.

Sadly, it will never be the norm. I don’t see many devs actually doing what you said. I agree with you though

True, with upscaling of the resolution and uncapped fps to say 120fps, it would be an auto upgrade for a mid-gen or next gen console, because those will likely have the power to keep the resolution at 4k/120 whereas this gen can't come close to that, and best of all, no patch needed. I'm surprised that most games don't offer that option for future proofing.

@@paul1979uk2000 It's such a simple solution tbh.

​@paul1979uk2000 they don't want to future proof, they want to "remaster" and re-release

@@TheScrubmuffin69yeah I would buy a remaster of the remaster of spider-man 1. With better ray tracing, more cars etc. 😅

Naughty Dog and Santa Monica are much much better and always been! Developer of the century? WTF 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

Get Mario wonder it’s a BETTER game

@@orhansnake9824 Until last of us pc port and lou pt2 released lmaooo

@@orhansnake9824 that woke atrocity known as tlou2 ruined naughty dogs rep

Wolverine should be good to

Its just some shader work, this has been possible for many many years.

give examples then... the closest thing to such interiors technique is the Matrix Awakens Demo, now this Spider Man technique is much superior.@@xxsemb

@@xxsembfalse it uses real path tracing

you misunderstand - they may be using path tracing for reflections etc but the interiors can and have been done for many years without that using just some shader work @@jasgill7121 using path tracing when not needed on a limited gpu especially for ray/path tracing would be a stupid move and I doubt they are stupid.

65 to 80 average with Vrr

How do they mean then the remark that in perfomence mode it goes down to 108p. ?

@@adamhorny2946 1008p.... 108p would be a postage stamp.

@@adamhorny2946 Well they counted the pixels and it was 1008p on the lowest side. If the upscaling works (as it does for this title) I see no issue with that.

@@Tepnox Bro they say 108p in video, not 1008p :D But yea, whn looks good doesnt matter

For me this generation is all about 60 fps and faster loading times

which is funny because the leap in processing power is massive. It's just the these consoles, while powerful, aren't strong enough for new rendering tech like full ray tracing/path tracing that is what's necessary to take visuals to the next level. They are good enough for much higher resolutions, texture quality, and frame rates though, and that actually does make a significant difference if you are playing on a 55+ inch 4k TV

The disappointment is because many games can't even utilize (especially PC) current gen capabilities and barely different from early PS4 and Xbox One games, while still having problems even with upscaled 4K and/or solid 60 fps. When you can't pull out drastic visual improvements, focus on resolution, framerate, details, artistic touch. Often we barely have any from that list.

I swear we say that every generation. 😅 Will never have the same jump form PS1 to PS2 for 3D games again

It has pros and cons with Cyberpunk 2077 (latest 2.0) in my opinion. I think Night City is more detailed in terms of 3d models(store fronts, interiors, random tiny details), but I'm not entirely sure which one has better lighting. They both have their own take on realism and ray tracing, and they're both appropriate to their proper environments/settings.. I wouldnt want Cyberpunk lighting for a spiderman game and vice versa. They're pretty neck and neck. Cyberpunk probably has the edge if you factor in mods.

They're not wizards. They just start using the potential of the hardware.

Secret souce Never reveals like a Magician trick.

@@ArielCleirighI am pretty sure they will have a talk at GDC about that soon. They had so many already an out building the city, their pipelines and how they optimized loading and streaming on base ps4.

that should be on the disc like the original Splinter Cell that had dev diaries and behind the scenes development videos. it felt so futuristic and i thought that was going to be the norm in gaming but it wasnt : P

​@@krono5el Back on PS2 and PS3. Insomniac Games did that too with their games featuring developer interviews and a playground for gamers to tweak and see experimental effects cut before release.

The 3080ti is a top of line monster GPU it would be a disaster if it couldnt run those games, the fact that we are even comparing it to the ps5 is a testament to the insane capablities of the console.

@@cazmoken8181PS4/PS5 look see😮 marvel Spider-Man original February 7 2024

a technical masterpiece on 400 dollar hardware maybe, this doesnt come close to the technical power of a Cyberpunk or Alan wake 2 which use actual real time pathtracing

​@@RanielEberthat's like comparing apples to oranges. No correlation.

@@FEWGEE1 Visual tech is visual tech, the methods are the same, the name is different. Why would i not compare one big city open world game to another big city open world game?

With that logic let's compare the real world with the technical power of cyberpunk and Alan wake 2. My point is there are never ending ways to bend arguments toward you're personal dick-measuring contest that no one cares about. There is no reason to not respect and admire the results insomniac achieved with this game.

@@RanielEber Yeah after 2 years cybepunk was actually playable.

Harry is venom and venom kills Kraven in the middle of the story

​@@Ghostfacecapalot🤡

😆 Bethesda is like Fromsoftware, they're good at what they do, but don't expect technical stuff! Very different kinds of development studios can coexist.

I believe it's a combination of IGTI and DRS working together Upscaling can have some minor visual artifacts as a downside, but I don't think it's too bad. The bridge was probably the most noticable when viewed at a farther distance. Either way, you still have to be looking closely, and it's not big, so it doesn't matter much to me

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t Xbox games still playable on Xbox one? If so then I’d say that that’s what’s holding them back from using the potential of the Xbox series x. This is PS5 only so isn’t hamstrung by having to be playable on last gen’s tech.

wtf were Bethesda thinking using a PS2 era engine for space

@@stevesmith9032 some are but theres a lot of them who are just séries X S and PC

The power of an infinite budget

series x could but thanks to series potato it never will.

It's obviously too early to say where these portals will lead to besides the one example, but that area appeared to be relatively lightly populated graphically speaking, at least compared to R&C. If all use cases stay the same, I wouldn't be surprised that both areas are loaded in memory, with one staying invisible/in the background until you pass through the portal.

@@razvanzamfir1545 Potential of this is actually amazing here. .. Just imagine a game with different dimensions, where each can have quite different "rules & gameply dynamics" Like in esoteric there is a "domain" segmentation: Physical, Astral, Spiritual

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Speaking of those portals: Am I tripping, or is Dr. Strange going to be a part of this game?

@@kieran.grant_ could also be the villain from the last movie. Even the goblin had some portal ability in the animated series if i recall

@@iluvmyoosikWhat kind of idiot doesn’t realize we’ve had 60fps open world games since 6th Gen PS2?

@@iluvmyoosikWrong: Rage 2. MGS5. Mirror’s Edge Catalyst. That’s because 60fps isn’t about console hardware. It’s purely a design decision that devs choose. Class dismissed.

@@iluvmyoosikRage 2 is 60fps on PS4 Pro. I’m sorry if maybe you were unable to afford one of those. MGS5’s lead platform was PS4, then scaled down to PS3/360. Still with industry leading graphics. Very different from “cross-Gen” games like Ac4 black flag. So a game isn’t a true “open world” game unless it has as many ppl as GTA? Guess Spider-Man isn’t one either. But by all means, keep making excuses for these corporations that don’t care about you.

At this rate, gta 6 is lauching only for the ps6 😂😂

​@@luizarthurbritono it will still launch for ps4 in 2030 😂😂😢

​@@luizarthurbritoif I'm not mistaken, Take2 said that they are expecting a huge flux of money next year (or something along these lines), so GTA 6 is coming next year.

Lets DEFINITELY bring up Mark Cerny Presentation because its on Full Display with Marvel's Spiderman 2 especially in comparison to " The World's Most Powerful Console " Xbox Series X playing Starfield ?!

I never thought the original game looked very good, looks better now.

Ancient Relics are awesome 😂

Your crazy bro what 😂

@@dannyCoolSwag*you're

Cof, cof redFail , starFail, Farza 8.

ikr. RT that is actually not a gimmick is borderline a miracle anywhere, let alone on consoles.

the fact that they were able to have ray tracing at that level of detail is a miracle in itself given the total disregard AMD put into developing RT in their GPUs, Insomniac truly lives up to their name.

@@AusOpeningRatchet and Clank was the first truly next-gen looking game on PS5. Gee, I wonder which developers did that…..

I would hold out for Guerilla Games and Naughty dog, neither of them have had a full fledged next gen, built from the ground up game this generation.

@@gangstagummybear3432 I am definitely looking forward to that, but of all the studios that have made cross gen games, Insomniac was the only one able to do ray-tracing, despite also coming out by far the earliest of the three studios' cross gen titles.

Horizon Forbidden West utilized the PS5 hardware brilliantly and looks and runs amazing because of it. I would also argue that Rift Apart and Ragnarök did as well.

@@Karlach_ well i don't know if u know that Horizon forbidden west ... Ragnarok are not next gen games as they were released on PS4 as well.With Rift apart well it's developed by insomniac and the scope of the game is small compared to Spiderman and other AAA games. 😁 great games though

@@vishnuvarma2826 They were released on the PS5 at the same exact time with optimizations for the PS5. They simply downgraded graphics and framerate for the PS4 after the PS5 versions were finished. That makes them PS5 games, not PS4 games.

I know right, I've been playing a game on PC that has sadly tied game elements to the framerate, so 60 fps was off the table unless I wanted uber difficulty gameplay. 30 fps was too choppy & laggy for me, so I settled on 40 fps with some .ini tweaks for the visuals to get the most out of that 40 fps experience & it holds up so much better than 30 fps did.

Yes plz we need that. taking all this tech and have it in a singelplayer linear game omg the visualls would be insane

or even remaster the original trilogy in a collection. the chimera would look insane

Harry is venom and venom kills Kraven in the middle of the story

I totally agree but ray tracing is still a buzz word so it gets most of the attention.

I really do wish they talked more about this as there are big issues with sound on games currently. Atmos even on PC is almost nonexistent, on PS5 it's emulated for headphones and has huge issues depending on the game (TLoU is great). Even normal surround has issues, FF16 has atrocious sound when you select surround which is a shame when it sounds so good in stereo. Even outside of games in a general sense. Apple hdmi outputs still can't output atmos even in the newest hardware, but they are advertising games and for the vision pro "a cinema like experience". I also wish we streamlined the process for speaker setups, most people don't want to buy a 2k AVR cause they don't need half the features, and external processors need amps and are similar priced, this is just unfeasible to get people to have these systems. That's why most people like soundbars, they sound like sht, but they are easy to setup. If you use headphones or stereo, it's smooth sailing and you have a good experience. But for us that have HT sound it's really screwed up. When it works it's even better than movies, when it doesn't it's atrociously bad, miles worse than 2.1 systems.

Iconic font.

Raimi triology is the definitive movie take on Spider-Man IMHO. So many memorable characters and meme worthy moments. There was a ton of cheese but in an endearing way.

You are brainwashed by Nvidia.

65fps to 80fps average with Vrr

With smart implementation, ray tracing can work well even on modest hardware, we are seeing that with this game, and being as there is no choice to switch it off will save developers a lot of time in not needing baked lighting, it also suggests that when the PC version is released, it might not have a baked lighting option and be ray tracing only, as adding baked lighting would be a lot of work and in all honesty, out of all the ray tracing games I've tried on PC, the first Spider-Man game was the most impression of results for the performance it takes that it ran well even on a modest gpu. Most of the time, I'm not a fan of ray tracing and usually switch it off because the performance hit for visual result is just too high, but when done well, I don't have a problem using it, this game is a prime example of how to do ray tracing right without needed to spend an arm and leg to afford to buy the hardware lol.

Yeah, RT is not always the best option but when in the right hands like in this case you don't get much trade-off so its a win-win. If they can Add RTGI for a modest cost to say around 1080p40fps before reconstructed I'd be happy. perhaps a upgrade path for PS5 Pro to be honest, I could see it be a PC feature if insomniac already played around with the idea and its already there in the tools waiting for Nixxie to implement it to DXR@@paul1979uk2000

crazy they have this much headroom still @@HaloinfiniteEternal

I'm right behind you with my g2

The game is absolutely amazing.. Has carnage been confirmed for DLC

I’d say for me it’s cyberpunk on pc with ultra settings but it’s just because of the way the city behave

Ummm RDR2??

@@sinzumoneyy waiting for the next gen update

@@sinzumoneyy because the game is so absurdly beautiful it’s not even fun, let’s just add 60fps on next gen and its game over

Pretty much almost every PlayStation exclusive is very much bug free from day one. There’s a few occasional folks that have bugs but the numbers aren’t even as high as the majority of other games that have come out the past 4 years from other studios. But to be fair these studios are only calibrating and optimizing for only one console in comparison to multiple platforms. That’s another benefit of having a high quality studio focusing on one console.

Truly the GOAT, naughty dog as great as they are lost that crown a long time ago

@@AusOpeningTLOU2 made me lose all respect for Naughty Dog's story department. Everything else about the game is amazing tho.

@@AusOpening doesn’t matter if you didn’t agree with the story, the last of us 2 still outsold every other hated game out there. And don’t get me started on their game engine which performed amazing on an outdated console. Naughty dog like it or not is still the top studio from Sony alongside insomniac and gorilla games. And I can guarantee once their next game drops people are going to change their whole tone. Like they always do.

@@johnsilver6316 I actually haven’t played tlou2 😅 just the first one and uncharted series. I’m specifically pointing out what naughty dog is now rather to what there were, and how insomniac’s output is insane where’s naughty dog is trynna focus on multiplayer and remasters of the same game. Even if you’re fan you gotta be objective about these things man

Very little sleep.

I was admiring the layer of sand covering Spider-Man's outfit. Great details.

Thanks for the spoiler assH

It makes you feel like Spidy 10/10 IGN

Black teenager *

The swagger of a young black Symbiote / human hybrid

@@Kdkjdjewerdnxa I always cringe when I hear the word "swagger" it sound like something a old geezer would say to look "hip and cool" in front of the younger Z gen group.

Very true

Just wait for actual user reviews

User reviews are worthless lol - god of war ragnorok a 8? Tlou 2 a 5.8?? 7.9 for Elden ring??? LOL

Don't know if you tried it yet but it feels like the 40fps vrr mode on spiderman 1 and miles but now u get much more visual fidelity in spiderman 2.

You can tell they tried to keep the frame rate targets as close to the same as possible whilst optimising and that has enabled them to push the visual fidelity even further

one can dream

Would be really cool.

we need that

@@squirty131Xbox doesn’t have a studio that does this time of visual quality😢

@@trey5973 they have plenty of studios that could match and even exceed these graphics. Give it to tango gameworks who made hi fi rush or give it to the devs that made the original prototype since they were merged with activision. The gears of war team could easily exceed these graphics with a prototype reboot

The last guardian is incredible graphically doesn't get enough credit imo

No it doesn't, but what you have here is still impressive.

​@@squirty131 yeah, if they get rid of raytracing, kill the framerate to 30 and drastically reduce image quality alongside resolution and massively simplify or get rid of the technology this game has implemented But we've moved past cross-gen, it's not necessary for a PS4 version; if anything it's extra work having to downscale when the PS5 has become much more available.

Game never had any intention of coming to ps4 like Ratchet it was made for ps5. Which is current gen. Troll comments are annoying.

​@@squirty131give us another comment. Show us how smart you are 😂

@@tristman8413 just enjoy your $70 7 hour long ubisoft style open world ps4 dlc

​@@squirty131did you even watch the video?

"SURF THE WEB" "SURF THE WEB"

@@cyclops8238 "SPIDER-WUSSSSS, COME OUT AND PLAYYYYY"

Harry is venom and venom kills Kraven in the middle of the story