Marvel's Spider Man Can't Stand Out 

You sound like a good pick for a Younger Peter/Spider-Man VA although I’m sure you’ve never heard that b4 🤔.

Batman The Brave And The Bold Video WHEN??

nah

No I don’t think i will

Don't forget the hyphen between Spider and Man

They write them like their the literal nerd emoji🤓

Maybe it's a budget thing like that magic guardian spice

​@@Elvusmiw if you need to get paid to write a human as a normal human being I don't think you should be a writer

It's hard to write a smart character when you're not too smart yourself. The easiest way to do it is to interject random scientific techno-babble that may not even make sense. I assume that's what happened here.

It doesn’t even make sense to have them babble like that either. One of the first things you learn in academic writing is simplifying the subject as much as you can for the common Joe.

And it's for the worse. Tons of people out there want Spider-Gwen in the Insomniac games.

Miles had an entire origin story in literally minutes within a single episode. It's so laughable.

⁠@@uncannydcmarvelous5732they better not. I hate it when superhero shows give everyone superpowers like in the flash. I was kinda worried when miles got powers in the first game but insomniac did a really good job with fleshing out miles character and his dynamic with Peter.

​@@uncannydcmarvelous5732so? She's a good character I don't see a problem with adding her

​@@ironmaster6496And there's your problem right there lol. You just want the character to be added because she's popular now without any interesting thought or narrative.

It really seems like writers struggle to get the quips right for some reason

Being part the participation trophy generation will do that to the things you make.

@@Saint_Wolf_ what

@@akor7035 if you don't get it you don't get it.

@normalyoutubechannelcarryo8567 Yea it was the boomers who got all the participation trophies.

Spectacular is a great show to get your kid into Spider Man using, so is the 1994 show! This 2017 Spider Man toon is so bad, even the late 90s Avengers cartoon looks like Batman: The Animated Series by comparison!

One of the Spidey quips that will never leave my mind is "Hey! Wallcrawling's my shtick! You start spinning webs and I'll sue!"

Well "Quips" thing in general was how Spidey during early years was trying to keep himself going in spite of being quite scared. So his teenage self stuttering/stumbling when trying to come up with a quip made it look even more natural. Later on he just got so used to doing so he keeps doing it even in situation where he no longer needs it to keep going. It became a habit.

You are saying that like he stuttered ever EVER early on in his career: no it was the Clark Kent effect so nobody would ever suspect Peter Parker even though he would disappear when Spider-Man would show up to the emergencies. There is nowhere he was stuttering or nervous in the old comics you’re just a kid who trying to sound like he’s read the comics so he must know something when I’m reality it’s fine if you just like the show you don’t need to make shit up you can like things. Spider-Man’s quipping is trash here and it doesn’t have to be, it’s been done better. You just don’t understand the character my friend, not as well as you think. This show is NOT true to Spider-Man don’t think the comics are going to back up content in a lazy tv show. Good luck man ask your mom to take you to a Barnes and Noble and cop some Spider-Man comics. Kravens last hunt is good. Spider-Man Blue is good. Just a omnibus of the 1st volume is always a great choice

​@@Trevelan🤓☝️

And I will say it, Scott Menville killed it as Doc Ock

And Ghost & Molly McGee having its 3rd season cancelled, despite already being greenlit

We need new leadership. Fast.

@CipherRage-tp5ql until they go bankrupt

@@frankieseward8667their too big to fail

As well as law enforcement hounding him in his personal life, and in the mcu Jonah going after him. Personally I can see depending on the version of Jonah like the one from the 90s cartoon somewhat in denial like “there’s no way that goofy kid is Spider-Man”. Because he secretly does like Peter but doesn’t wanna show it.

The first episode Miles’ was in, miles’ identity was outed and seen, then in the next episode they continue like nothing happened

The stakes only felt most high during superior Spider-Man

I wonder what the writers are doing now

Yeah when theres nothing at stake the story tends to get bland or boring since the hero doesnt have anything to risk, a hero story should always have risks where anything the hero does could either backfire or benefit him since itd be a pretty boring story if everything went according to the hero's way

Still applicable

​@@aniki6575🥶

@@aniki6575 It kinda does tho so not really.

I thought the same but I hoped because the game needs to be taken down a peg.

Why would you panic over a opinon? The fuck? 😂

Miles was more of his partner making them the age made them cooler and easier to relate too.

Superheroes shouldn’t need training anyway, it makes having superpowers so menial. Captain America had training because he was a soldier foremost before he was a typical superhero.

@@MuseBySecrecyHow are you gonna learn how to use those powers if you don’t train?

@@Remix-pr4xd I don’t need to watch wasted story time because Spider-Man needs to learn to stick to a wall apparently. If the problem is he isn’t inherently good at having powers from the get-go, then it’s less about him making a choice in responsibility and more that he can’t be Spider-Man anyway because he can’t swing on the damn web lol.

​@@gogetathestrongestfusioneven if they were doing this type of storyline they have rushed it

What

@@Bruhface0019cause venom is in Spider-Man 2 I think that’s the reason it aged fast

@@inkedthedemonhi Uzi doorman

@@Bruhface0019 are you dumb

@@Bruhface0019 In marvel's spiderman 2 the ps5 videogame harry is venom again.

Well, Luke Cage *is* kind of believable, because he does his stuff around Harlem. But, more along the lines of 'Yo, can you help me out with this MacGuffin as a favor?' 'Sure, but you'll owe me one, sound cool?' 'Yeah that sounds fair.' Also, Team Red is an apparent thing. Deadpool, Daredevil, and Spidey team up on occasion to kick the pants out of some of their respective rogue's gallery.

Okay am I the only ultimate Spider-Man fan cause am I even watching the same show?…. I literally adore ultimate Sm so much but it seems like everything I like is everything people hate? It’s kinda hurtful honestly

That's a hell good comment

That sounds like a great idea for Eddie.

Like, Peter's shoved out of Jonah's office cuz it's Jonah, but Robby sees a spark in Peter and sends him Eddie's way, tells him to show Pete the ropes. Eddie treats it like babysitting at first, not much of a care, kinda amused, until they end up in Central Park. Eddie tells him to show him what he's got, but immediately stop Peter the second he pulls out his phone instead of a camera. Eddie lends him his camera and Peter takes a few good shots. Eddie's impressed and actually starts taking the task seriously, eventually telling Peter to start saving up for a good camera before he can come work at the Bugle. He assures Peter he'll be sure to put in a good word

That's a pretty neat idea. But I like a different approach actually. Why not have Eddie become Pete's High School Bully instead of Flash or atleast somebody at school who just really hates him? It kinda fits don't ya think? Heck, we can give him the role of Scorpion as it fits his whole schtick of being the anti spider man. Plus it gives Scorpion more meaning in the plot than just being some jobber.

Well that's pretty much what happens in spectacular, still a cool story

And also having Miles be spider-man while Peter is still a teen and alive. A important part of Miles character is that he couldn’t save Peter so he tries to fulfill the shoes and carry on the legacy of Spider-man. And with the struggles of being not only the new spider-man, but also the problems that being spider-man has.

No show will ever progress to that point before getting cancelled or have a rushed ending. Not unless it starts with an already seasoned Peter or the plot incorporates year long timeskips every season

at least the playstation spidey got 8 years of experience before miles came in, and from the looks of it, spoiler silk is gonna be there too in the next game or dlc so let's goo

​@@neo-fx8qdI prefer him as Peter's Robin over his successor anyway, part of Peter growing up is getting over his whole "I work alone" bullshit

​@@ChangedMyNameFinally69I really think miles being like Peter's robin could work. The problem is that writers are so desperate to get to the point where peter steps down or dies rather than us seeing the buildup. With ps4 for example, it took 1 and a half games for Miles to take over. Yes, we are told that Peter has been spiderman for nearly a decade, but we don't ever even see that. Miles comes in and is just perfect already

It’s probably because he isn’t the spider-man kids think of.

Yeah, Miles Morales should get his own cartoon show, like have Peter be his mentor, not be dead or be around the same age as him, and have him be a semi-retired adult superhero who occasionally help out Miles while also help train cause he want to see him grow as his own hero.

@Pokechrome Maybe, but even then the Spider-verse movies are doing very well at the moment.

@@gazem_3211 the first episode with miles in it was released on September 30, 2017. Almost a year before itsv. But it could’ve also been a way to get kids familiar with miles before the movie.

@@billymccrary2246 You mean something like Batman Beyond but with SpiderMan?

Great now I'm imagining Peter saying a bunch of Dante's lines and it works so well I'll think I'll be obsessing over it for a while. Peter: *Turns on a song and spins around* "This party's getting crazy!"

Ben Reilly's and Kaine dynamic should pretty much be like Dante and Vergil's

@@heroicgangster9981 would that make Peter or Spidercide Nero?

@@archivist_13Peter is mundus

@@The_pitbull536 Peter no!!!!!

Yeah, especially when you have a show like this running season 2 right after Into The Spider-Verse comes out, which treats the characters with maturity. Even if it’s the difference between a bigger-budget animated film and a cartoon series, it still shows that you don’t have to dumb down your media for a target audience.

@@Emoney-hy2kn Exactly. As for budgets? They are for animation and voice acting. You can’t place a budget on good writing ✍️ . We need more show runners who actually want to tell great stories and write great characters back in mainstream media. Sadly when we do get it, the shows are either unceremoniously cancelled, air with nobody talking about it, or when people care it’s too late (Rise of the TMNT)

Agreed , I get so pissed when they use the " it's 4kids" argument , that's a cowards excuse . I argued with someone who said that I have the ill feelings towards ultimate spiderman cause I'm a young adult , when I told them I was just as disgusted with the show as a child , they said that I'm just a pessimistic person ,I mean WTF?😅

Agreed 100 percent. Sadly it looked like nobody knew that while writing the show

@@SonGoku-rf5wy "You can’t place a budget on good writing" You actually can lol. Writing isn't just coming up with a story and script and calling it a day. Most shows have multiple re-writes in order to create better stories and dialogue or correct mistakes. Without a budget and with stricter deadlines, you can't afford re-writes and fixes, leading to weaker writing. And hey, you have to pay your writers well too. We literally just had a strike all about that.

He's trying to get invited to the cook out

Yeah, that was dumb. Why not tell them that you Peter after he sees them get powers, why keep it a secret until the last season?

Didn't miles get struck with fear toxin? Pretty sure he did that to calm him down.

Peter is following the ancient idiom of "bros before hoes".

@@thegreatscribbles960lmao

Yes, I prefer Spider man being alone, with miles and Gwen and all other spider people being multiverse versions not existing in the same universe as Peter

I don't mind if a show has Spider-Man working with a team, but it should be advertised as such and have a title to reflect that, like Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends or something. Ultimate Spider-Man and Marvel's Spider-Man advertised themselves as Spider-Man show had no real indication that it was going to be about Spider-Man working on a team or constantly teaming up with other heroes. And if you want a successful Spider-Man being part of a team show, make the sure said teammates aren't dicks. I would rather get a Spider-Man having a bond with his teammates in a similar vein as the 2003 Teen Titans show rather than have them be overconfident jerks like it was with almost everybody in Ultimate or with Gwen and Anya in Marvel's.

Spider-Man 1997.

I mean, we already have a bunch of those. That’s probably the reason this show isn’t like that, so it could be unique.

That’s honestly smart.

Funny thing about that is that Peter can and has done all of the above just fine on his own. Maybe it's better to have him as the leader who can solve nearly every problem but occasionally relies on his friends to execute.

You're too good for a Disney show.

He did have a brother who helped in the comics so it has some basis but still discredits hobie

@@darker2920 "I hate how MCU Pete stole Miles'..." is a fun game i like to play and usualy don't run out of stuff to say till i described Miles in the Bendis era of 2011-2018

@@darker2920at least we got into the spider verse out of it

​@@darker2920blame the writers for that

@@darker2920what? Ned was always Pete’s friend. He literally died in Berlin in like 1987 lol. Before miles was even conceived

​@@darker2920 Not every fat asian is Ganke. MCU spiderman race swapped MJ and Flash too. Isn't it possible they just changed Ned's race.

Don't forget that for some reason Disney opted for cheap animation companies for these shared-universe-ish cartoons.

What If follows the same problem as these animated shows if you ask me, it's entire identity is based on the MCU.

Given the state of the MCU where the quality is dropping. Doesn’t hurt to have something to fall back on. Moon girl was pretty good.

@@bearerofbadnews1375 I love Moon Girl. It's the best thing ever. And it's better than the comic imo.

​@Obi-Wan_Kenobi It can be a pro and a con. Even tho RDJ doesn't voice Tony Stark, the background makes his character so much more enjoyable but with Tom Holland's Spider-Man it just feels uncanny, odd, and out of character without his voice for the character

In the Latin American Spanish dub Miles' VA is the same one who voices the character in the Spider-Verse movies. Speaking about that dub, Peter was voiced by the VA who dubbed Tom Holland in the MCU, but he retired from voice acting to focus in his acting career and he was replaced by the VA who voiced Peter in Ultimate Spider-Man. Funnily enough, the current VA who voices Tom Holland as Peter in the MCU (and also in Uncharted and some other movies) also voices Miles Morales in the Insomniac video games

Ironically Slott also had some hand in the script of the first Insomniac Spidey game but that ended up better.

Dan Slott was literally just a simple consultant for Insomniac Games Marvel's Spider-Man... He didn't actually have a big hand in writing the game's script.

Eh, I wouldn't go THAT far but to each their own I guess.

@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 yeah it was Christos Gage who actually helped to write the script, aka the guy who actually made Superior Spider-Man good

Hop off Dan Slott at least his stories are well written (most of the time)

I'll answer that question: ...We WERE too harsh on Ultimate Spider-Man.

People only gave it crap because it came after spectacular but ultimate is a pretty good show reminds of the brave and the bold series

I would easily take spiderman 2017 series over Ultimate spiderman anyday.

Scott definitely wasn't right for Doc Ock

Yea, Scott Menville could make a good college era Spider-Man

I literally have no problem with the animation when I first saw it. The big problem with this show is exactly what this video talked about. The TONE! It has none other than poorly putting random quirky jokes and shticks borrowed from the MCU, butchering famous storylines from the comics(symbiote saga, clone saga and the Goblin saga). Couple that with the fact fans thought that this series was going to go back to a more grounded and restricted solo Spider-Man story when in fact it didn't.

@@Gideon13397 Yeah that's also true

I don't think animation would fix the terrible writing

@@Gideon13397 The fans didn't believe it, the actual showmakers PROMISED it was gonna go back to that. But they were just lying to get more people watching.

Animators? The art style looks bad EVEN BAD FOR SPECTACULAR AND ULTIMATE STANDARDS

Which is ironic because Yuri Lowenthal also plays Spidey.

Cristopher Daniel Barnes really killed it with those quips.

The joke about about Spider-Man being broke is one that really stuck with me from the 90s show.

Just look at insomniacs spiderman. He does what this one can’t

@@kirin8735 his quips arent all that

@@mysteryniggadel491 they are 🥱

Well said.

This is a problem I have with a lot of modern Spider-Man media to be honest. Started with the Ultimate cartoon, then reared its ugly head again in the MCU, the 2017 cartoon and even the Insomniac game. Like, what's always been cool about Spider-Man for me is that he's very street level. He deals with everyday problems we can all relate to, and he has to make sacrifices in his personal life to do the right thing. Giving him a whole support group of other Spider-people is not relatable, and it kind of takes away from the whole world-on-his-shoulders, largely works alone barring the occasional team-up Spider-Man from the comics.

​@marvelfannumber1 I don't feel this nearly as much with MCU Peter as the two most recent shows and it's for one very particular reason: Peter is put in situations in those films where he still feels like he can be self-sufficient and capable of handling threats without the outside assistance. No Way Home was technically the only time where he actually had people to help him, and 3/4 of those people are just himself from other universes. Vulture and Mysterio were all him, and that's even in spite of people like Stark and "Nick Fury" constantly underestimating his capability and gumption to protect his community There's also just the matter of the fact Peter still talks like a regular person. He's not a walking stereotype of either an anti-social, chronically online Redditor or the guy in class who interrupts the teacher to make jokes. He goes to a STEM school or a gifted school like the version in this show but the students act like regular ass people you meet at any public school and aren't in possession of some omnipotent level of intelligence. They're just smarter than average but they don't have to overtly communicate that. STEM schools are also something actually rooted in reality and it's not like Midtown was ever this hub for like every major death machine Parker has to fight in the show, nor is he conveniently aided by a support group of people who share his exact abilities. He's still unique This show feels like it took all those aspects at the most surface, barebones level and ran with it to the point of parody

@@icedcapplord710 MCU for sure does it better than the two recent cartoons, but it's still very flawed. The biggest issue I have with it is that he has to go through the *exact same* arc in both of the first two movies. He already learned to be self-sufficient in Homecoming, why do we need to retread this arc again in the very next movie, as if the first one didn't happen? Insomniac Spider-Man has the opposite problem. Where Peter *is* clearly self-sufficient and experienced, but then introduce Miles and make him a permanent sidekick from then on, which again is not relatable and takes away from the whole world-on-his-shoulders thing a lot.

​@@marvelfannumber1I will say in my personal opinion, I love the insomniac spider-man both peter and miles make a good team I don't mind him having a support team like in ultimate spider-man cartoon series but marvel's spider-man cartoon series it should of just had miles helping him that's about maybe give him another spider hero name that's about it but I see were you are coming from.

Love your channel, dude.

Shading and brightness, and the color placement 2 the show is so hard to watch visually

He has one more... Spidey and his amazing friends.

That's what I hate about Netflix She-Raa

I loved the show when I was younger but that's me personally

The show desperately needed this

Have other superheroes there instead of solely Spider-Man supporting characters

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 That was something they did. In fact in terms of being the sole premise, that was the idea for the series before it.

@@xanderm6090 Did they? Seems it was just various Spider-Man characters. But ironically they could've included the same three heroes from Ultimate, maybe a young Daredevil or Elektra, Ice Man and Human Torch transferring in from their teams as a reference to the Ultimate comics and Amazing Friends. The school being in competition with the Xavier Institute would be a cool storyline too.

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yeah, some of that could have even worked even without touching on the X-Men entirely. As remember, back then they didn't want to advertise Fox. Though it is true, even if they didn't follow up entirely, the whole point was about Spidey leading this whole team of heroes. More an execution vs. premise deal.

I feel it'd be interesting if they amalgamated him with Flash, we don't need TWO blonde buff guys that hate Peter Parker. Flash's idolization of Spider-Man could reflect in Eddie's attempts at being a hero which could lead into Agent Venom. I also always liked the idea of Peter's childhood bully being Venom anyway, especially over some rando with a really stupid grudge against him.

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I could see that working as a fun and different adaptation of it. I just want Eddie to get a good and proper representation outside of the comics. He is an extremely important part of what makes venom venom I’m tired of people pretending he’s not lol.

@@bruhzzo7341 My version would still have a lot of Eddie and fulfill the same role though. But there'd be changes done to modernize both characters, like the fact you really don't have jocks bullying nerds anymore, oftentimes they're one in the same now. Or Eddie working for print media, he was an investigative journalist in the movies and it's not like there aren't issues with journalistic corruption nowadays. So if you wanted classic Eddie it wouldn't be super hard updating him but you'd still need to change things. Maybe instead of some random villain he frames Peter for the Carnage Killer? Would be a cool way of connecting those two together before they end up meeting. But I also like Eddie and Peter being childhood friends and having connected families, I like the Symbiote being their heritage more than random space aliens ruled over by some Sephiroth looking dude. The Symbiotes feel out of place with the rest of Peter's villains, IMO.

It bugs the hell out of me when people call the symbiote itself Venom when it reality it’s the symbiote and Eddie that make Venom

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Well it needs some sort of name lol

I ALWAYS LIKE THE IDEA THAT SPIDER'S CALL BETWEEN THEMSELVES AS A NICKNAME, Like Peter being Amazing, Ben bring Sensational, Miles Being Ultimate & go on

Oh MAN spider-brooklyn is such a cool name, imagine being a hero so iconic to a city that you get the name of the city AS your superhero title? That's actually a great idea

The black spider-man... 'Cause his suit is black of course.

I know the Spiderman 2 game just came out, but I love how Peter in that game refers to miles as Spider-Man. Not kid arachnid not Spy-D just Spiderman.

​@@rdesignartes2520Reminds me of Captain America, but on a more regional and personal connection to the people they serve. An easy to characterize a group through that individual beyond the scale that global heros do.

Even the title of the show is lazy

I just call the other one Spider-man Isomniac like Neversoft spider-man

@@PGO5490 well with Spider-Man ps4 at least the game is a console exclusive so everyone automatically knows what you’re talking about

@@kaijionline I know, I just like to add “insomniac” because it sounds cooler, also because I lost sleep because of how long I was playing this game.

You'd be surprised how obsessions usually start like this.

How'd that happen?

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 I was 7

Ay. we all got to start somewhere.

I know how you feel man When i was 6 Ultimate Spider-Man was one of the first Spider-Man related things I saw

Facts

For teen Spider-Man, get Robbie. For adult Spider-Man, get Yuri

Agreed

@@Leannomali agreed

No he was the worse

What you don't like the fact that Peter is not at all unique or stand out anymore and also arguably is the shittiest spider man because he somehow has less powers?

Who'd have thought that making a really iconic and fun character boring as all hell leads to a very shitty show...

​@ApocalypticRenegade Fr, and peter is technically physically far stronger than miles which much better spidersence but that isn't enough for people i guess. Miles having two abilities to compensate for his base spider abilities being weaker isn't enough of a downside apparently.

Maybe that's the secret behind breaking the canon, be so mediocre that they actually succeeded at their normal life. Even in Spiderverse Peter B broke up for a bit with MJ and then still hae a happy marriage + a kid later on.

@@nonamepasserbya6658 which breaks the connon event

Just give it time.

And he actually speaks like a normal human being.

I actually think that would be a fun idea for a version of Spidey his day starts out normal like he is late to work but then later it turns out that was a good thing because the daily bugle is under hostage by dock Ock

Giving solo superheroes teams is just a bad trend in adaptations atm, look at Arrow and the Flash show. It's probably because of Batman Begins

Perks of Xavier being married to a Filipina, the show got him so angry that he started to swear in Tagalog. Caught me off guard tho, damn hilarious.

And the team he has [Lois and Jimmy] are very memorable and actually are unique from Clark

That burns me to no end

For real 31:45

It's a great name, I just have a creeping feeling some people would mistake it as being racist, even if it was done with innocent intentions.

Honestly yea it fits.

Ghost Spider would’ve been more interesting if they went the Jason Todd route and made him sort of a rebellion, troubled teen instead of a boy scout like Peter. Peter gets a pass because it was common during the times and hes kind of a snarky smartass, but Miles just felt like an afterthought version of him without the wit.

NO, MILES MORALES IS SPIDER-MAN & THAT'S IT

@@ArcTrooperRod-269I think they just meant that he should get his own name so he can stand out more.

​@@ArcTrooperRod-269We get it But we got multiple, repeat *multiple* Spider People with that name, hence many titles, like we know Miguel O'Hara as a Spider-Man, but as he's from the year 2099, we call him Spider-Man 2099 So calling Miles Ghost Spider actually makes sense (granted there's an actual version of Spidey where he's got Ghost Rider Powers, but)

Simply put, if they don't have a spider mask on and have powers then they're not marketable for toy sales. That's probably why we don't get the flash, harry, MJ friend group

Yeah but the Superior Spider-Man arc has probably one of the worst moments in not only this show but any Spider-Man continuity really which was Peter’s reaction to Otto being happy that his childhood bully got what he deserved since both Peter and the show act like Otto just committed an unjustifiable act when all he did was use a method to discourage cheating to a guy that’s been beating the shit out of him

That would’ve been amazing to see. Spider-Man with the budget of an anime could be one of his craziest and best shows ever.

That's an insult to undertale fight animation, most of these look fire.

I feel the same way. Otto is easily the most interesting character in the show imo, and he's the main reason I remain watching.

​​@@jimjam528although one thing I found weird was making him the same age as Peter which what

@jadenbryant9283 Oh yeah, I agree that was a weird move. I prefer Ock to be a grown man.

I can also bring up a few others: Postman Pat, a show that, while overall relaxing and calmer, isn't afraid to bring up terminology children aren't so likely to understand and even has a few subtle references to death! pre-Gullane Thomas, very accurately portrays how railways worked at the time, some episodes have very picturesque scenery, many episodes go the extra mile explaining the situations and more!

Thanks for the recommendations, guys! I’ll keep this in mind if I ever have kids myself! ^_^

I did

I feel the same way

How?

theres also the side related thing of a simpler core of the art style allows for more resources to go into the detals.