Mary and Matthew's Wedding | Downton Abbey 

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@@AC_RDR2_Q Carson and Lord Grantham

@@roseanne74 Aw yeah ik. They both cared for her so much

What I thought was interesting, and telling, is when she asked Carson if she would do. She didn't ask her father. Clearly they had things to deal with between them.

Yes! That's exactly what I thought, her 2 father's. I cried. At last they got married

He probably ranks it happier than his own wedding.

She was the daughter of his heart. Notice that she spoke to him before her father.

Carson is wonderful of course he is a gentleman when father and Carson see Mary it’s to wonderful this show is so good🐣

My thought, when I watched this, was that she did have two fathers who were clearly bowled over!

He watched her grow up and he felt like a father figure to her in the way people in his position did in households like Downton.

Sybil. Yes agreed.

I was devastated when...”it” happened

I miss her so damn much... :'(

😪😪

@Ber P. actually, people who always get their own way tend to be very spoiled and bratty. edith and mary especially are examples of that.

And she knew it. That's what made her grieving so difficult. She said as much.

Lady Edith and Lady Sybill both know the meaning of duty and responsibility. However, being the younger siblings their lives were less "formal" than Lady Mary's. Being an older sister myself, Lady Mary had alot of pressure and burden on her shoulders. No matter who she married her 1st born, in this case George; was in line to inherit the estate and title. If Patrick Crawley had not died/disappered with the sinking of the Titanic, Lady Mary would have married him. Or as she put it, "If nothing better came along." Then Matthew showed up. She felt passed over. Her sister's had trusts of their own. Enough money to make a new life when they got married. With Sybill, Robert gave them some of her inheritance. No doubt the remainder went to her daughter upon her death. Lady Mary was in a perciullar situation, As an eldest daughter she could Not inherit the estate and title. If the entail was dissolved, she get the money and estate but Not her mother's title to be Countess of Grantham. In America the rules were alot different. The family fortune was divided among get the siblings. No doubt Harold is under obligation to run the family business.

@Ber P. I know more about British history and peerage than You ever will. And the fact that I have to prove it to someone as common place, solves this case entirely. #ReadABook

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He kept her in check certainly. But mostly she controlled him. She was nicer when she was with him only because she got her own way all the time. And she was happy enough with what he gave her. Like Edith said, Mary was nice when she was happy.

It wasn't all that uncommon especially for a lady's maid to have hand-me-downs from their mistress because they often accompanied their ladies in society many lady's maid often served as companion as well

That’s Mary’s work / nursing dress from season two. I was upset seeing a faithful assistant /servant with a castoff such as this

@@lisarandleman6141 That was normal at the time. She could not have afforded such a dress on her own. And they didn't throw stuff away like we did, their habits were much more sustainable. I am wearing a skirt today that I got handed down from my mother-in-law. Nothing to be upset about, I love it.

I did not realize that until I went to the Downton Abbey exhibit.

Matthew and tom are best friends

Your right

And it is something she shares with her grandmother! In the last season, Sprat said about the Dowager : "You made one mistake, Miss Denker, in your haste to be rid of me. She never likes to be predictable!"

@Kim A You do realise that I am not calling her an idiot? I had the subs on while watching.

@Kim A Edith is one of my favourite characters. I would never call her an idiot.

@Kim A No apologies necessary. Errare humanum est.

And Edith. Married higher than her sisters or Her Mother. She got a higher Title... Ha. Who's laughing now....

Merel Verhulst And just before that: Edith: love and position in one handsome package, who could ask for more? Subtitles: you could ask for more

Distorted Features me too! That scene with Mary in the carriage and everyone cheering always gets me!

Probably because they were expected to

Kinda like they're giving away their town's princess. I always thought of that when i was younger

@@glen7318 the village cared for the family

Yes I noticed that

markmh835 the music makes it all the more amazing!!

The acting/set and musical score were amazing. I’m sadly not a fan of the 20’s clothes, so didn’t think Mary looked very good, but you can’t help but be swept up in the romance of it.❤️

relax

markmh835 meh 😏

I got goose bumps

Distant cousins! And in 1920 it was very normal. They were at least 2nd cousins. Otherwise they would have met before the show started.

Still genetically that's not very good, that said I really ship Mary and Matthew😍😍! It's fiction after all!

@@chanaberlove8720 actually they were 4th cousins. Which explains why Robert didn't know he even existed before the beginning of the show

Celtic Lass She’s married to her third cousin, not her first.

Celtic Lass Queen Victoria was married to her first cousin. Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip are fairly distant cousins since they only share one set of great-great grandparents, Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.

Ah, the episode where Robert gets the nickname, “The Downton Fountain!”

I know. It has this power and it’s kinda controlling. It’s also very soft in a way and very posh. I just don’t know how to explain it lol

@@jehannethompson1432 so happy that someone responded to my comment.😎

AlienHunter47 he is cool

Yes he did indeed, very dashing!

My husband complained about his "monkey suit" before our big day, yet I've never seen him more handsome.

He's cute.

Not really. Carson is more of a Father figure to Lady Mary than Lord Grantham really is. You forget as a child she and her sisters spent more time with the servants than they did with their own parents. An hour after tea everyday.

@Ber P. I can't see Lord Grantham taking his daughter to the park, playing board games with them, or even reading them a bedtime story at night. He acts like that with his grandkids, to a degree. Lord Grantham may have been raised during the height of the Victorian and Edwardian era, but the rules of being close to your children did not fully apply to all of British Peerage.

@Ber P. That was the role of the Governess. Robert didn't really teach his daughters like You and I do today. His children were raised by Nannies and Governess until they were old enough to sit at the table for dinner. Their lives as young girls were surrounded by servant's in some form or fashion. They were raised to "Automatically" sit at the dinner table and have tea in the library or host a conversation in the drawing room. Lady Mary and her sisters were raised for 1-One purpose, be presented at court and marry into wealthy and stately families. Keep up the family show. Carson's admires Lady Mary because she represents Everything he holds dear. Lady Sybill and Lady Edith are a bit too robust for his taste. He may disapproves of Sybill choice of husband, in the end Tom comes round the mark of his 'slight' approval. According to Carson... "Keeping up standards will tell the Germans they won't beat us in the end."

I never said Robert was Less of a Father. I'm merely pointing out the fact that he was like so many men of his age. I'll say this. When Matthew died who did Mary turn to for consoling?!? I rest my case.

I don't call being an "Involved Parent" if your child spends more time with Nannies, Governess, Maids and the servants. You should re-watch seasons 3 through season 6. Those years truly display the life of a child in the 1900s, Post WW I.

That was actually the toughest part of Matthew's death for me. After everything he and Mary went through, it was a bummer that they were only married for a little over a year.

Maria A I did stop watching it, I couldn’t watch it after Sybil and Matthew died, they were my two favourites.

I'm continuing(S5), but I completely agree!! It feels different for me. They were the heart of the show. Ik he wanted to do other things, but they could've replaced him instead of killing him. I saw the movie and the new husband was in for like 5 mins lol. Dan would've been in the whole movie 😉. This happened on wcth I stopped that show 🤷‍♀️.

Virginia Adkins oh no! I’ve just started watching that. Is it still worth watching?

@@ipdipdu I continued it. I found S5 boring after ep4 (already new stuff cuz my mom watched it and saw the movie). Its still good just for me and ik others that love story is missing you feel it. Mary finds love again and hes a good guy , but no Matthew 🤷‍♀️.

@ipidipdu yes it's worth it of course!! After Matthew's death I almost stopped but still, I continued and it was so CHARMING! Mary got married again, she does love him, but not the way and not as much that she loved Matthew, and this what is good about it,he died, but she never stopped living him. And still, we discover other characters, we love them we cry and we laugh with them so yes it s really worth it!!

It reminded me of Meghan, Duchess of Sussex's wedding dress. Both of those wedding gowns were beautiful , elegant and classy.

@ no it wasn't it was simple and sleek and very pretty

aussiechickusa and yet she didn't hesitate to cut him sharply with her words when he didn't do exactly what she wanted. Mary is not sweet or loyal to anyone except herself. And maybe Anna.

@@inayatahmed5828 I've been seeing your comments everywhere, and damn, you have a deep routed hatred for Mary. XD Just remember that there is no character that hates Mary more than herself.

L̶a̶d̶y̶ Fox Ŵøłfæ lol yes I do. She really gets on my nerves everytime. Why would you say she hated herself?

@@inayatahmed5828 It's just obvious. Certain lines she says on the show, like once she says something to Cora like "You all think I'm worthless" but you can see it on her face that she really means "I think I'm worthless". And the way she allows herself to get hurt, and she blocks out other people and is cold; she very visabilly thinks she is a bad person, and hates herself for it.

L̶a̶d̶y̶ Fox Ŵøłfæ gurl I don’t give an f for this Inayat Ahmed. He’s always finding a reason to hate on Mary even when it doesn’t make any effing sense. Sorry for the being so aggressive lol

Elizabeth Williamson only because he was the heir lol

@@inayatahmed5828 that's not true lol she loved him

Ikr!?!?!?! Her 2 dads, looking up at her like they cant believe their little girl is all grown up and a bride :)

I was appalled to learn that he's been married to Delores Umbridge for forever. 😱

@@baskervillebee6097 Who her?

@@gaybaines4650 Evilest Harry Potter villain. Made Harry cut words into his skin over and over like when teachers made you write a sentence 100 times for punishment.

@@baskervillebee6097 Huh?

@@gaybaines4650 The actress who played Lady Bagshaw and Delores Umbridge is Mr Carter's real wife.

Kim A “Id never be happy with anyone else as long as you walked the earth.”

Not corny. Enduring. And they obviously worked... You're still married. #LoveConqueorsAll

Thanks for all the love everyone!! My husband and I are together 10 years strong and two beautiful girls together.

@@lmoore1566 You and your husband are connected for life. Not just because of your daughters, the treasures that they are. I have a daughter myself and she is My Little Trooper. But the Two-2 are connected in Love. 💞 It started with the Love You have for each other. That blossomed into the Love You share for your family. #BlessedInLove

@@lmoore1566 terribly romantic 😭

The actress Jessica Brown Findlay quit the series!

She wanted out of her contract.......

@@MillieonaVespa I've often wondered if she (and Dan Stevens) ever regretted that decision ...

KingsDaughter1958 same. I’m pretty sure they both would have gotten more success just staying in the show. Sadly it’s not like their careers have taken off in a crazy way after leaving...

@@gee2541 "To each his own." Maybe for their own peace of mind, they had to step out of their secure comfort zones to try new things.

I think it's also because Mary certainly liked Sybil far more than Edith. Even when Sybil and Tom were keeping their feelings secret, Mary knew early on but never ratted on Sybil, and though she was cautious because she didn't quite understand, and was raised to value the aristocracy, she was always kind to Tom and Sybil despite it.

@@kyleenglot9184 i don’t think she would have ratted on edith either. Maybe as a revenge on something, she wouldn’t have helped edith but she wouldn’t rat on her. Mary has values.

Mine too!! Tom and Mary had such a genuine friendship. Tom made Mary Sybbie's godmother. And Mary never made Tom feel like she didn't like him, even if she did not understand his relationship with Sybill. She openly called him her brother, but just brother in law, but brother. They genuinely loved each other in a platonic way. And not as, he's my sibling by marriage and perfect for my sister. But what I saw with them was true friendship. I love that Tom was the best man at both of her weddings. I was so upset that we did not see more of their friendship in the newest movie.

Too bad it was cut short. Still sad about that

I know it was cute. At least O’Brien has a molecule of humanity lol

Yeah they were both really well cast. I have no idea where Edith gets her blonde hair from

I suggest you watch it. A lot happens.

Exactly!

I've only got to watch it twice season 1 started over. I've only been able to see a couple of clips of O'Brien and I want to know more and I don't understand why more clips are not on here. I seen the clip regarding the soap and the clip where someone said she was leaving.

Пересмотрела фильм несколько раз с большим удовольствием!!!

I know. But it may be very different in the 1920’s. Maybe the just had the wedding, ate and left to go in there honeymoon 🤷🏼‍♀️

Right?? O’Brien and Thomas seem to have soft spots where kids are involved, they hold back their venom.

No you are most certainly not.

I don't get why what Edith said was perceived in a negative light. It could not have been more complimentary. Yet, Mary rolled her eyes and their mother responded "Never mind Edith." So what was wrong with "Love and position in one handsome package. Who could ask for more?"

She said the same thing as Sybil, only in different words.

@@fancybrooks3156 she said something out of a sense of obligation, not love and genuine best wishes like Sybil did

Fancy Brooks Because Edith was a jealous character and when she looked at Matthew and Mary, all she saw was what she had struggled to find; love and position in one.

@@fancybrooks3156 I perceived her words as an expression of frustration, disappointment and (understandable) jealousy- I'm way behind in the story line, but I take it that things didn't look very promising for Lady Edith just then, correct? Judging from her reaction when Cora said to her that she would be next (to marry).

I also have the boxset. A bit more expensive then your great deal. Great show but wouldn’t like to go back at this period… first I would probably have to endure the two WW, second I would probably be a maid …🤔

Charlotte Balfour considering I've been catcalled In jeans and a t shirt state of dress literally means nothing and doesn't give another person reason to make assumptions on their character

Charlotte Balfour I’ve been catcalled and I wear hijab so it’s safe to say that some men are just gross

Charlotte Balfour imagine having such a gross opinion! men have BEEN harassing and judging women for what they wear no matter the century. i have been catcalled by men while wearing unflattering clothes. i cant believe you're defending men who can willingly CHOOSE to be nice. ew!

@Charlotte Balfour that's a lot of words to say you have a trash opinion