Mary Kay Letourneau Case Analysis | Mental Health & Personality 

exactly...how can there be any sexual attraction with a KID??

Same with men too, I can't imagine a 34yo man being attracted to a 12yo kid, especially if he had kids around that age. Vili was forced to grow too soon, he takes on a stepfather role to the kids from her first marriage even though the oldest is the same age as him

Wow! She was a very disturbed woman, and very stiff neck woman. Thank you, for the update.

She was a democrat.

Her own child was the same age

I wonder if Vili understands now that she groomed him and that their love was actually a trauma bond most likely? I cannot fathom being a 12 yr old whose teacher wants to have sex with me. The intermittent reinforcement of her incarceration and how she’d run back to him points to a trauma bond. I hear be recently had a child with another woman and has come to realize that the way he and Mary Kay’s relationship began was not healthy. I hope he gets the help he needs now finally.

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@@Patsanford220 I recently read an interview with him where he said if he were attracted by a 12 year old he would get therapy. He couldn’t fathom having that attraction.

Just saw that interview and the movie its like he finally woke up he reached her age when it all started and realized how mest up she is and all the crap she did to him. Besides all the grooming abuse she could have not let herself become pregnant twice leaving a child to raise her children condemning him. I remember this story in the 2000s and I didn't know about narc. Back then but before clicking this link I watched the latest interview and her having npd was my guess too its kind of blatant

Very true, that's essentially what all abusers want, is someone to control and use for their own benefit with no regard for how it's harming their victim. Totally bizarre.

He is certainly more diplomatic than I would have been. I would have just called her A dumb you know what, and she should never been given A teachers job. I have to wonder if her parents turned A blind eye to her idiocy, and shielded her from any scrutiny.

I love his outtakes, where he's trying take after take, cracking up. 😂 A genuinely likable guy, Dr Grande.

They actually had a really good healthy loving relationship at the end. Such a weird and case

They are fine they actually get along with her new husband and kids

Her first husband was as bad as her. My Mother was his co-worker for years, she worked 55 years for Alaska and retired during or do to covid as #1. Steve the first husband married her co-worker/friend and they had a child together too, he beat her and cheated on her, the woman was devastated and heartbroken, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

She did not care emotionally for her 4 children.

@@christiegroves The emotional trauma of what he went through with Mary Jo caused his behavior.

She’s from a wackadoodle family. Her father slept with his students and was a politician. Her brother is also in politics and was accused of arms dealing. They are a terrible family with their own wiki pages.

@@lisanewcar4157 not only was her father a politician he was a Trumpian sort of right wing crack pot who preached family values in public---his affair with the former student was only revealed when their infant son went to the hospital with a partially severed penis.

Yes, highly unethical and a complete abuse of her authority as an educator.

@@omfug7148 wiki explains further: Schmitz never financially supported nor helped raise his two children with Carla Stuckle.[citation needed] When the detective investigating the possible child abuse claim against Stuckle confronted Schmitz about fathering John George, Schmitz confirmed parentage and reportedly told the officer, "I do not and will not support him financially. It is her [Carla Stuckle's] responsibility to take care of him."[citation needed] Stuckle was not charged with any crime, and authorities returned John George to her care. Stuckle raised both John George and Eugenie on her own, working long hours at two different jobs. In 1994, when John George and Eugenie were 11 and 13 respectively, Carla Stuckle died from complications of Type I diabetes. Schmitz refused custody of the children. Mary Schmitz's close friend, high-profile astrologer and alleged psychic Jeane Dixon, took in the children. When Dixon died in 1997, the children became wards of the state.[23]

Remember her role model parents? Such as the college professor father who did practically the same thing? Observational Learning maybe?

How do u not know that doing adult things with a 13 year old is a crime?!?!?! Teachers are mandated reporters who get trained about child abuse. She's an evil person who ruined many lives

This case is part of why that happened. This and the Catholic school scandals. As late as the 90s some schools and individual teachers were wildly abusive. In some school districts until the 80s teachers or administrators could spank children.

I don’t believe she didn’t know it was illegal either . She tried to play dumb and ignorant. I saw through it as did many others . Including the judge. She knew .

I can see that. A female friend of mine interviewed for a job at an all boys boarding school and they asked her to live on campus with the students. She's really pretty and looks a lot younger than she is @@rebekah7635

Yup teachers are mandated reporters. She knew.

Good point. I notice that the term "She kept going back" isn't mentioned in the Epstein/Maxwell case. Not victims' fault, of course, just so regrettable that they felt so powerless.

@@rubyparchment5523 he's definitely scared from that , the good news is he's a good father despite his mental growth was stunned by Mary

It’s called “grooming “.

Conformist 138: You see she had him hooked. Even when she was in prison for 7 years. They couldn't let go of each other.

All the years in prison etc he never had other kids he never found another love wow

I thought about her father as well. She had very blurry psychological and sexual boundaries.

This would never justify what she did tho. Because even so, she would know it’s wrong. But it would give a reason to why she thought she was entitled to break the law and victimise Vili. I completely loathe her, she’s a control freak with issues of entitlement and arrogance! I hope she doesn’t rest in peace. She doesn’t deserve peace because she gave it to no one around her!

Being a victim of pedophilia doesn't cause pedophilia. This is a lie pedophiles tell to get sympathy but silences real victims. If she was a victim of her father, that is a separate discussion and not relevant to her proven abuse discussed here. Think about it, 3/4 women have experienced s*xual abuse in their lifetime yet we're 5% (at most) of the population of r*pists. Stop spreading this pedophile propoganda that being a victim makes you more likely to be a pedophile.

Apparently she was molested by her brother, but doesn't see it as abuse because it stopped when she wanted it to stop.

I agree. Her older children also attended her wedding to Fulaau but did not seemed concerned about putting theming the public eye. It really .ade me .mad when she said she didn't know it was it okay to be involved with a 12 year old....

Their kids are so beautiful and he's such an awesome dad. Watching interviews of them she was so controlling. I think he can be proud of the fact that he raised some beautiful kids

Peace, normalcy and a name change.

I don't know how they will ever find normalcy, whatever that is. :) Hope they can continue coping ok and moving on in some ways if that is ever possible. She really wrecked a lot of lives it seems in her selfishness.

Life & DIY to live with someone like her is bad enough, never mind the circumstances. He wasn’t able to hold a steady job, they divorced, but he still loyal to her staying by her side while sick. It will take years for them to go on with a normal life as we call it. Her daughters witnessed first hand her controlling, that affects their way of seeing the male in a relationship. I do hope he can move on and get a normal relationship and be happy. She clearly took it advantage of him and his family. Poor people.

Priss, "stole his innocence" is exactly the right phrase for it.

@Mannequin Gothique I read an interview with him and he said the disconnect with his friends was really tough for him, especially when his girls were toddlers. None of them had children, and yes, he had help from his mom, but being a parent is tough even when you *do* have the support of people your age.

Exactly!!

He wanted to prove his manhood with her, she needed to disengage ..she seemed lonely and vulnerable

@@m3rrys0ngstr3ss his life has been really tough. I don't think his mother was all that great either. Part of what he's probably doing with Mary Kay was looking for a mom. She was nothing but a child molester

I've been interested in this case for a long time. I thought she felt like she was a young girl. I once as an adult around age 30, mother of three) felt chemistry with a 16 year old boy. I looked very young and was very pretty. I wouldn't ever act on it but I felt like a teenager around him. He was definitely the one making advances and I gently rebuffed those advances but had anything happened it would have been a hard sell for me to believe I was sexually abusing him. Thank you for sharing this information.

If she was a man you would not be making excuses for her

You did not have "chemistry" with a 16 year old boy at 30, there is no such thing. Those feelings you mention were merely your sexual perversions rising to the surface. Thankfully you had enough humanity left in you to not act on it, but you still hold these perversions as you empathize with Mary even though she was 35 engaging in such acts with a 12 year old (the Dr. Gets it wrong saying he was 13, he was 12 when it first started. And of course you would claim the advances came from him, just like you think the advances came from that 12 year old. As this same doctor demonstrates in a dedicated video about women who commit these types of offenses, they never take any responsibility and just blame the kid. That feeling of "being a teenager" around young boys is also a Hallmark of female predators. It is not a normal reaction and the fact that even to this day you believe that acting on it wouldn't be abusive demonstrates that you habe the same Narcissistic and predatory mindset as Mary.

You did not have "chemistry" with a 16 year old boy at 30, there is no such thing. Those feelings you mention were merely your sexual perversions rising to the surface. Thankfully you had enough humanity left in you to not act on it, but you still hold these perversions as you empathize with Mary even though she was 35 engaging in such acts with a 12 year old (the Dr. Gets it wrong saying he was 13, he was 12 when it first started. And of course you would claim the advances came from him, just like you think the advances came from that 12 year old. As this same doctor demonstrates in a dedicated video about women who commit these types of offenses, they never take any responsibility and just blame the kid. That feeling of "being a teenager" around young boys is also a Hallmark of female predators. It is not a normal reaction and the fact that even to this day you believe that acting on it wouldn't be abusive demonstrates that you habe the same Narcissistic and predatory mindset as Mary.

But in reality you still would've been abusing him, and yet even to this day you feel like it would be justified. Same narcissistic and predatory mindset as Mary.

Like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty

Where can I find the interview?

Yes, that was very sick video. Is this the one where she asked nineteen times, “who was in charge?” until Vili reluctantly stated “I was,” as if she required him to believe that. I saw it too, but couldn’t find it after she died. If anyone does, please post a link

Was this interview with Barbara Walters? I remember seeing it. Their daughters are beautiful and smart. I think they sing and have beautiful voices. When she started having a relationship with him, it’s like she saw herself the same age as him. I think her father was bipolar

I also noticed the same thing.

@@jackiec9285 It was not the Barbara Walters interview. That interview was with a male interviewer. If I can find it I will let everyone know.

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I am so online with her thinking and I am a very intelligent and moral person. I will explain. First, morality is defined by a society. It is neither truth or fixed. I years past some children were married off at 13 or 14. Society had no problem with this custom. Finally, psychologists who feel damage will always be done to a 13 year old boy who has a sexual encounter are not looking at the individuality of each person and maturity levels. Some boys are ready to be sexually active at younger ages perhaps more than girls of the same age. Physical maturity is based on hormone levels which vary greatly between teens. What about the maturity levels of some teens? Again, they can also vary. Most importantly is the notion of forcing a person against their will. Im positive Laterno did not use force in the sex act. Billy was obviously willing and eager to experience these emotions. The emotions of these two people were stronger and more lasting than many if not all romantic experiences. In calling Mary Kay as immature and narcissistic is not based on many facts as their relationship and love outlasted most people in this day and age. A beautiful thing. Now, if Mary Kay did anything wrong it was cheating on her husband. This was her crime. Unfortunately people were hurt because of it and that is not at all moral. But extra marital affairs are not only legal in this den of iniquity we experience in today's immoral climate. Our society finds it normal and perfectly moral. None of this has anything to do with age appropriateness. Age is a number. There are many factors that age has no bearing on. Maturity, physical and emotional, and sociological norms. People who are able to look at love as permanent and lasting are rare. Laws are arbitrary within a society at any given time. Natural law should be taken into consideration when justice is served. Mary Kay did nothing wrong that should have caused her to go to jail. She was a moral person, a committed mother, but who sinned. She made the mistake of cheating. But the person she chose was the right one. She and Billy were corageous and loved greatly. How one cannot see that, you cannot see outside your own age prejudice. Sorry, I listen to your channel and I'm disappointed in you.

Maybe he was abandon but my whole family would fight this woman if it was me😤

@@janeellenseal Nope. Wrong answer. 12 yo and 32 yo are not okay to sleep together. We know early exposure to sex does have devastating affects on children. Also.. disgusting. A grown woman wanting a young boy who hasn't even finished puberty? Watch yourself before you end up on a list, Ma'am. Also stay away from my children. Or anyone else's for that matter.

She and reality social distanced

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What does it mean?

I can only imagine how confusing this must be for her and Vili's daughters.

U should watch the update on them. Even as an adult fallow was being abused by her

@@catherineparis8678 Fulau. Vili Fulau.

I think that when her brother die in front of Mary kay something in her brain stop working. When that happened mary kay couldn't help her brother caus she was a little child but when she ment Fillau thinking i can help and save this kid. It turned into. Lust in her sick mine fillau gave her feelings she never felt b4. If it feels good everthing is ok in her sick mine..mary kay wouldn't control her sick desires. She new it was wrong she didn't care i called it a selfish act she care only about herself and what she wanted and she wanted him and she was going to get him no matter what the world said plus ahe got alot attention she wanted that too nothing wrong with her metaly. Just a pure selfish woman.wanting her own way and she got it no matter who she hurt.

@@catherineparis8678 Do you know how to spell?

I don't think her parents ever taught her about accountability and ethics, and she was not intelligent enough to teach herself about these things on her own as an adult. That is my guess.

Good points

I agree

when she was a child her younger brother drowned in a pool and died when she was supposed to be watching him that could explain some trauma she endured bc I sorta thought the same thing too still doesn't justify what she did

@@LPSCREEPYTV She could also have killed him because she felt he was taking away from the attention she deserved. Not out of the realm of possibility for a narcissist.

Morning Glory: You certainly summed it all up accurately. Also I hear of older men who are young girl crazy frequently. Those men usually end up getting incarcerated immediately and seem to get longer prison sentences.

Very well said

Yes he is he’s a full man handsome grown mid 30s now his daughters look like his sisters or gfs they r gorgrous

I said that too.

Sounds a lot like how her father behaved, doesn’t it?

@@echase416 BINGO!! 🎯🎯🎯

Is this malignant narcissism perhaps?

Not only her children with Filau, but she essentially abandoned her 4 children with Letourneau to pursue a relationship with a boy young enough to be their brother.

I think he was 12 actually

I thought he was younger than that

He was actually 7 when she met him, she was his second grade teacher. But the sexual relationship (as far as we know) was not started until 12.

Yes, that says it all...and the fact that she taught him when he was SEVEN YEARS old and watched him grow up...there is no excuse...she cannot plead ignorance considering that was her history with him.

@,nettie a , Exactly. He was way too young for such activities

This is important because her dad’s actions broke her mentally and she never healed. In her mind, she was 13 years old.

THIS

I think that's the key to it

@@Channel-rm8yh Mmmm you don't need to defend her actions. Perhaps her fathers actions normalized that behavior for her but don't go excusing her behavior that's unacceptable

Very.

I think she had a warped sense of reality. Coming from that kind of background it's not hard to see why.

She didn't fall into an affair, she repeatedly and systematically groomed and r*ped a child. If abuse caused pedophilia and we know most abusers have more than 1 victim, then over time the % of abusers in population would steadily increase. Yet the % of pedos stays the same like other mental deviances. The only thing you achieve by saying child abuse causes pedophilia in victims is silence the real victims and try to bring sympathy for pedophiles. Being a victim of pedophilia does not cause pedophilia. Pedos just say they are victims to get sympathy points and there's where the misconception comes from. Those monsters will say anything to get away with it. She could have grown up like Prince Andrews without a care in sight and all the difference would be she'd have better access to more victims.

I was wondering if she'd been abused herself. I feel like her background is part of why vili is protective of her when he speaks of her.

Vili’s Background ~ Vili’s father was in jail, was married 5 times, had 18 children. Vili was 1 of 5 full siblings raised by his mother. Vili’s mother was the official legal guardian of the 2 daughters (about 8 years). IF it wasn’t for her, both girls would have been wards of the state.

She'll always be present since she had children with him.

lol I’m 51 and couldn’t agree more!!

He’s not diagnosing

Listening to her made it obvious to me that she wasn't all there.

I agree, Poppy! WTH is wrong with these ppl? Ugh!

they probably wouldnt look at you either...

I seriously don't think this woman was a pedophile. She wouldn't have been attracted to the boy after he had gone through puberty. She also had no history of molesting pre pubescent children and there was no evidence of this anywhere . Her first husband was the same age. She was obviously attracted to sexually developed males but because of her personality disorders she lacked boundaries and didn't care about offending deep social taboos.

its just an excuse they make up

@@Billybloop lots of pedos are married tho

I think getting help and recognition that it’s wrong is admirable. And to echo what a person has said, we need to give a shout out to mental health workers that provide help to people who might otherwise cause damage.

Annabel Lee and We Are one, Thank you!🙏 And 00 00, I don't know if he'd hit puberty or not. There's such a thing as hebephilia and then you're talking about hebephiles, it's when the child has hit puberty. To me that's semantics. He was 12 and to me that's a child. And the fact that she's married to an adult doesn't say much.

It probably isn't her using that as a defense. Defense attorneys are duty bound to use every scrap of possible defense, even when it is questionable.

@@evelynwaugh4053 certain group always pull the metal issue card as if they exempt to commit crimes. I guess thier evil ancestors had mental issue too. Next

People with bipolar are prone to behaving in extreme and unstable ways when they are in the manic phase. A lot of these behaviors are dangerous and unpredictable. However bipolar wouldn't explain this woman's relationship with the boy. Mania doesn't usually last many years.

I have bipolar disorder. It's entirely controlled with medication. You wouldn't know I have it unless I tell you. I've never committed any wild crimes or even done anything particularly bizarre. Given, some people are affected more severely than I am. But generally speaking, bipolar disorder doesn't cause sex crimes, and people who suffer from it are still far more likely to be victims of a crime (particularly violent crime) than we are to commit a crime ourselves.

Yeah I’m bipolar and I’ve never deliberately hurt someone... definitely never assaulted anyone. It’s not an excuse or a cause for this type of behavior. Bipolar magnifies emotions but does not cause you to become a straight up predatory disgusting person. There are other traits going on there.

Omg OF COURSE IN FRANCE

Her first husband was very young and boyish looking. Even though he was a grown man and her age he looked boyish. I really wonder if her behavior somehow relates back to her baby brother drowning when she was supposed to be watching him in some twisted psychological way. I do feel sorry for him. He was manipulated She definitely had some psychological problems. She was a pretty lady but not right in the head.

Same. Fascinating, but so deeply disturbing!

I think she knew exactly what she was doing she was just selfish not caring what it did to others it was all about her

Yes, she looks like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.

Total wackadoodle though!

She was very creepy looking to me.

there is no such thing as looking harmless and innocent. a dangerous person can look like anyone and a good person can look like anyone as well

@@Mouser21 she gives me a weird vibe

She would not have given false names to law enforcement when they were located at the marina in the van is she did not know she was doing something prohibited.

Im certain they teach you at teachers school that you arent allowed to get sexy with the students. Shes a pedophile rapist, plain and simple.

I agree. It simply doesn't seem possible that she could have gone through the training to attain a teaching license (and, one would imagine, the understanding that as a teacher she was a mandated reporter) without somehow ever being made aware that sexually abusing children was both illegal and immoral. I call major BS.

Not to mention, she certainly knew when she was arrested and charged, but yet she did it again!

@@mightygeshe Exactly! She even acted sooo tearful & remorseful at her sentencing hearing, begging the judge "help me" and saying "I did something that was so wrong," etc. She may have been mentally ill and/or without a working conscience...but I doubt she had total amnesia of her whole remorseful act in court, y'know? IMHO, she knew *exactly* what she was doing!

I could get on board with that. He was 12. She was a pedophile with cluster B traits for sure. But that’s also developmentally on par with an 11 year old. Not taking responsibility,lying, and fantasizing. Described as “boy crazy.” So what she did was wrong on all accounts but the arrested development could lend to a clear answer of why she did it. We can only gather information so as to prevent sexual abuse of children in the future. Not perpetuate the offender’s delusion. That’s a slippery slope. I mean now we have a MAP flag. JFC

Kita Heard Do you have any way of knowing if he feels that way? I wonder how he now feels and the quality of his relationship with his daughters.

Kevin Hornbuckle have you seen interviews? He literally has voiced that if the same thing had happened to his daughters, he would protect them. You can feel the resentment he had toward her in the interviews as well.

She is all he knows... but villi has proven he is a survivor. Then girls are grown and in their 20s he in his mid 30s he now can be free to live finally

Nope it wasn't evil. He also is totally at ownership over what occurred. It wasn't just her. They also love each other very much

@@kitaheard4790 not true at all, you totally misunderstood the interview and Vilis reaction. He doesn't hate Mary at all. He is obviously loves Mary alot, however, he also knows that society and the interviewer are judging him and Mary, that is what caused the awkward expressions on his face

I agree and think this is common with female abusers. They have an arrested development where they are "running away" from adulthood. They also seem to have a very compliant nature, like what they think of as a teenage girl would have, where if a boy shows interest in them, they do not discourage it and even says "he was the one hitting on me" and in her mind, since she was not the "initiator" it was not her actively seducing and grooming. That of course is nonsense, but she did not see him as a 13 year old, I think, in her messed up head, she just saw him as a man showing interest and she "fell" for him.

Yea. We believe you and your daughter!

Crazy that the parents would encourage their son to marry his molester.

He will need a lot of therapy

Exactly. Good point. Or maybe he can't accept it - who knows. Just hope the kids involved are somehow managing through all this crap they've been brought up in.

@@LifeDIY apparently Faulaau and all of her kids were with her when she died, they forgave her....

It will be interesting to see what develops.

Yes good riddance

You want to see judgemental see his video on Shane Dawson. That is about as judgemental as it gets. The ine on Tati Westbrook is only slightly less judgemental.

@@faith6833 He's allowed to form judgments. That's healthy behaviour. Condemning people is not purposeful and he never does that.

@@faith6833 deserved though

Yeah pragmatic approach nothing phases him at all

I don't know how he does it because he posts more frequently than anyone else I follow. It's always really enlightening.

Life & DIY - I feel the same. His opinions and thoughts really speak to me.

I do hope that in class they explained the difference between pedophilia and ephebephilia. They are two different things.

@@erynlasgalen1949if we’re being technical, I believe you are referring to hebephilia, no?

@chuckbub1 I just googled, and I misspelled ephebophilia. I think it means the same thing as hebephilia. Same thing, really. It means an attraction to teens who are past puberty. There is a world of difference between a 'child' of seventeen and a child of seven. True pedophiles (I'm using the American spelling) often lose interest once a child reaches puberty.

Yup. We specifically have trainings about this behavior and to not engage with children inappropriately. She’s a gd liar. Teachers undergo background checks for this reason! She think we're all idiots?!

@@Saylessdomore109 yes, 100% agree with background checks, we have them here too in all professions that deal with children in any capacity

​@@Jesterjones9073A background check wouldn't have brought anything up on her.

haruspex yah I loved that line too

I don't see how that's amusing. That's an objective explanation, not a joke or an insult.

@@Billybloop It was more the blunt delivery of something that people wouldn't usually say candidly that I found humorous, it caught me offguard. But he's not wrong

She wasn't intelligent.

I actually think she sits somewhere on the spectrum

You can’t teach someone to care about and respect the teaching though.

@@Amazing_missB I got a teaching credential 18 years ago, and while I don't remember them discussing boundaries with students much during training, they certainly warn you about them once you're hired to be a teacher. Did you ever work in the classroom or just complete graduate school? Before I started my job, I was warned to avoid being alone with students and to keep classroom doors open, should a student enter the classroom alone. I was also warned not to touch students, even if it was to console them. This was part of my on-the-job training, which differs from what one is taught in graduate school.

No one needs to be taught not to do,this!

Teachers and many other professionals are, after all, mandated reporters." So, of COURSE she was informed and obviously knew the law.

@@Amazing_missB That's both startling and incredibly disturbing to hear! But, sadly, I'm also not terribly surprised. We need to do better.

Exactly! During the interview, his eyes gradually started looking like he's realizing what his teacher did to him when he was a child.

Definitely SS. Bc if it wasn’t “love” than it was abuse. And neither of them could break that illusion to call it what it was. Sad. He deserved better. If we saw the genders reversed, there would be no question. Knocking up a 12 yo and her marrying the guy out of jail. There would be an uproar. But the us against the world, nobody loves you like I do especially after this public scandal.. ofc a CHILD would go back to the offender.

Mary ISN'T all bad at all. She had some amazing character as well. The whole scenario isn't black and white...it's a very unusual case.

@@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457 why do you keep defending her? Really? Do you think 13 year olds can consent?

@@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457 Adolf Hitler loved dogs

@@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457 you must be smoking crack.

I agree totally. Although another poster on here said their kids went to school w him and at that age he was already 6 feet tall w a slight mustache. But yeah. I can't see that at all. Not 12 or 13. I have 2 sons. I would have flipped if an adult woman came onto them.

*was

Yes Agree

Uh, I have BPD and don’t do this. Most people with ANY cluster b disorder don’t unless they are pedophiles. BPD has nine symptoms. You need five of those nine to have it. She had one and that can be anything. I’m sorry but NPD fits. My dad has NPD and her lack of remorse and accountability fit that. As someone with BPD, I get remorse just by flipping someone off.

Yep. A teacher at my former school apparently married a girl as soon as she graduated have the school. He kept his job, too. Disgusting!

@@maneckineckbeard1749 mine too!

Yes, when I was in high school, the band instructor married a student when she graduated. No one was surprised because she was ALWAYS in the band room.

@@kellyschutte2252 Omigosh, when I first saw your reply I was freaking out for a second, because your name looks remarkably like the name of a girl I actually went to school with, LOL! So, just for that second, I was thinking "WTH is going on!? What are the chances that the *same* Kelly from school is here, commenting about the *same* teacher!?" 🤯🤯🤯

@@maneckineckbeard1749 lol….it’s my married name so I’m probably not the person you went to school with! Thanks for writing!

She did, long ago. Kids are not loyal to the parent that was wronged.

:-)

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Mmm-hmmm. Yeah. Now, *I'm* truly terrible at math (I have dyscalculia) but somehow I've still never managed to unwittingly abuse a vulnerable child. Amazing, no? 🙄

I wouldn't say she was bad at math, after all she did teach the kid how to "divide" and "multiple."

Laurie Bailey -Always

Yup, always. Dr. Grande always has fascinating content, always so well presented too.

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That would be interesting

She Probably Thought He Would Make Him Feel Young Again And Wanted Attention She Didn't Deserve So She Used A Young Child And Became Sexual Predator Whether She Likes It Or Not She Used Him And May Be Wrong But Willingly Allowed Herself Unplanned Pregnancy With Villi Before he was 18 she wanted him to herself. Man did that he be in prison for ten twenty years

I meant to say man teacher got female student in that position he be in 10 20 years or more