Mary Queen of Scots (2018) | Saoirse Ronan & Margot Robbie's Secret Meeting 

To the people complaining about how they never met…what part of secret meeting do y’all not understand? 😂😂😂 it’s meant to be an imagination of how it might of been if they had met.

I am starting to be convinced that there is nothing Margot Robbie cannot do. The woman is amazing.

The fact that they havent seen each other until this very scene and it makes their acting more genuine. Their first look of reaction is astonishing. 😍

The way reality was portrayed here. With how queen Elisabeth would have looked after her small pox was great. Usually they portray her as perpetually beautiful. She certainly wasn’t after her illness. The white makeup was only worn to hide her scars. She looks so garish in this scene!

Historian say they never met and they probably didn’t, but there’s is a small chance they actually could have . We weren’t there and they would’ve made sure that the news didn’t get out , cmon they were both powerful queens and could manipulate the system and men around them.

The way Margot delivered the line "your inferior?!” @6:41 Was incredible, it was like Mary (Saoirse) plunged a dagger in her heart and you could feel her deep sadness/disbelief through the screen. When Saoirse said "And should you murder me, remember that you murder your sister - and you murder your Queen.” It sent chills down my spine. These actresses are so incredibly talented, they did an amazing job.

As Scots, we often find that people are never too good at replicating our accents, but Saoirse Ronan really pulled it off in this movie

"Now I see no reason for envy. Your gifts are your downfall." Ooooh snap! 👁👄👁

This is an incredible scene. I see where Mary comes from, but she scolds Elizabeth while she stands there crownless, turned on by kin and country. Meanwhile Elizabeth is stalwart, overseeing the golden age of England. The juxtaposition to their looks is incredible. “I am more man than woman” Elizabeth knew the sacrifice she would have to make to the throne and she made that sacrifice many years ago. There was wisdom in her choices, and honour in Mary’s.

I completely agree that they definitely made Mary dislikable and Elizabeth soft spoken, leveled and very relatable. I don’t think a face to face meeting would have went this way- mainly on Elizabeth’s end.

I'm a history person like all the complainers, but I went in not expecting this to be historically accurate at all: just a stylized retelling, kind of like Elizabeth (1998). Without movies like this, though, I might have never been curious enough to research the real people and events. :)

makeup team needs an oscar just for doing the impossible: making margot robbie ugly. 😱never thought i would see that. That woman is other dimension beautiful

It’s puzzling to me that people would be shocked that Mary would have a Scottish accent.. while in Scotland. I’m sure she still spoke French but she was the queen of Scotland.. i read she had Scottish tutors and advisors in France who were there to keep her in tune with her countries language/ culture. She clearly took to the French culture way more.. idk just ranting lol

Saoirse's last line gives me chills every time I watch this scene. Love this movie.

One must give Elizabeth credit tho. Her hold on the throne was rather shaky and she had lost her looks at an early age due to smallpox, but she kept moving forward like a resilient lioness and remained steadfast and resolute in the face of Mary claiming her throne with both Catholic and French military backing. She on the surface sued for peace and kept the Catholic powers with Mary's indisputable claim at bay while strengthening England's military defenses and maintaining order in her realm. Mary, despite her bravery and magnanimous courage, charm and beauty was really doomed after she lost the crown of France. The Scots would not accept her because she was a Catholic and seen as a Frenchwoman. Even with Mary's victory of providing an heir and securing her dynasty, in the end, it still couldn't save her lest she converted to Protestantism. She was too willful for that. With Darnley murdered, she failed to jail Bothwell and instead married him, a great misstep which led to her tragic downfall. Such a shame, she really was quite good otherwise and could've been better still. Both women were very intelligent, but it seems in the game of Machiavellian wisdom, Elizabeth learned her lessons earlier on while Mary learned hers too late.

For a second I legit thought the Red Queen is getting her own spin off movie, Elizabeth I really look like the Red Queen

Everyone talking about inaccuracies, like let me go in my time machine and see if it checks out just to satisfy y'all, like damn, it's just a movie!

I knew these two women could act, buy WOW I did not know how well. I am just stunned. Well done ladies. Well done indeed.

This was a brilliant film and why it never garnered Oscar nominations for both is beyond me.

Fun Fact: Mary's claim to the throne was actually weaker. Henry VIII technically disowned the Stuart line with the Succession Act of 1543 when he pushed the descendants of his younger sister Mary above his elder sister Margaret's(from which the Stuarts claimed the throne). Had Lady Jane Grey not try to take the throne after Edward's death or Elizabeth followed her father's wishes regardless, her successor would have been Anne Stanley, Countess of Castlehaven which means that the Lyttelton family would be the Royal Family today with Christopher Lyttelton as king starting in 2006.

i have never seen this movie but i was brought to tears by this scene. such phenomenal acting, design, and camera work

This is beautiful. If there ever was a meeting between these two women, I believe it would be almost identical to this. We will never know. A woman on the throne had to worry about so much, especially with no spouse or heir and was a constant fear for Elizabeth. Mary did what she could to keep her country and her life, from start to finish. Her only crime was being a woman who wore a crown.

It's shot just beautifully. On top of the set design and composition, even the sound editing is top notch.

They never actually met and Elizabeth hadn't wanted Mary killed, she regretted it but back then there were only enemies in politics. We are not against turning on our families still today and still for political reasons.

I am happy that Margot robbie is breaking out from that "dumb bombshell" label because most don't even get the chance to do so

I love both actresses so much. They are phenomenal

The acting is phenomenal

One criticism I have of this film, there are multiple references to King Henry VIII of England. But I think there could’ve been a few references to Elizabeth’s half sister Mary I, she feared Elizabeth becoming queen and came dangerously close to having her executed for treason during her time on the throne. I thought that might have been good to bring into the dialogue as a way of articulating why Elizabeth struggled with The decision she made regarding Mary of Scots. Especially with regards to Mary’s execution. In one adaptation of Elizabeths story Mary (Tudor) actually had a chance to sign Elizabeth’s death warrant, but didn’t. In spite of everything that that happened between them, she loved her and couldn’t bring herself to do it. That could’ve added to the context of Elizabeth’s heartbreak when the tables were turned at the end of the movie and she followed through with the execution that her sister couldn’t bring herself to do.

Even though this scene is very likely ahistorical, it’s still wonderfully acted and extremely poignant.

I really love this scene! Margot and Saoirse gave a great performance.

“Your gifts are your downfalls” really says the genius poisoning herself with led over vanity

Truly phenomenal acting by 2 of the best in the business.

Such a sparkly and unattainable performance 🎭!! Both are astonishing 🤩

What a piece of acting they both have, chefs kiss

Both of them together couldn't give me even a single chill as compared to watching and listening Cate Blanchet as Elizabeth.

Intense conversation. Wow !! Powerful actresses !!!

"If I should seek to help your enemies....'tis only because you pushed me to their arms" How i felt with many people in my life

So powerful … I don’t know why I shed tears 😂

This scene made me cry like- that's cinema. I love this movie sm 💕

Saoirse was amazing in Atonement, Little Women and Brooklyn.

Saoirse is such an elite actor

Margot Robbie is a spectacular actor.

Mary speaks of what could have been, the strong and close relationship they could have had. Their separate loneliness is palpable. But their respective positions forced them to very different places.

Mmmmm the music complements this perfectly.

“How did it come to this?” If Mary Stuart had quietly gone on with her life in France, she, or her son, would have rightfully ascended to the English throne when Elizabeth died... 🙏🏽💔🙏🏻

This scene was EVERYTHING

The way Elizabeth Shifts and meakly talks about how she had a wig specilly made for the occasion in a attempt to look her best because she essentially feels Ugly is truly sad and touching . The fact she is queen and had everything and still feels Ugly and inadequate makes her almost childlike. Fun Fact it was revealed after her death that Queen Mary Stuart allso wore a wigg so no need for old Lizzy to feel Less than in this scean. a Lot of women wore wigs and still do for many resons No one bc. after 30 a lot of women suffer from health and nutrient defficanies that cuase there hair to thin or fall out so no shame in having to wear a decent wigg if it makes you feel more beautiful and confidant ladies.

I love their acting

Both wonderful actresses

Elizabeth here looks like the Queen from Alice in Wonderland. Which is fitting since she later basically tell Mary Queen of Scott "off with her head"

I love this movie so much💯

Never knew Margot Robbie played Queen Elizabeth.

I always was interested in these two Queens .. Both of them knew where the powers lies but one early while the other is too late. Queen Elizabith had to give up a lot especially with what she had to deal with. She made herself suitable for the throne. Mary truly had herself doomed by her beauty and nativity? or even vain? Mary had a kind heart but knew nothing about how to keep everything. She had lost a lot .. and she is not winning here too. Poor Elizabith .. truly, the curse of her father is never ending.

In the trailer the line was “your gifts will be your downfall”. Wonder why they changed it

Such a beautifully acted scene

Wow, a Chinese lady in waiting, and a black noble. Both in the 15th century. Who knew?

Fiction or Historical, this scene speaks volumes.

Elizabeth what an amazing queen!

Yes,,,, they were both great

Mary lived in France from 5-18years of age. She spoke English with a French accent, which didn’t help her popularity.

Mary was just so unlikeable in this movie and Elizabeth seemed powerless and weak in comparison to reality

When talking about their battle, I think none of these two women can really be said as the winner or the loser. Mary got what she wanted, the two kingdoms (Scotland and England) to be united under her family's crown and end the bloodshed. Elizabeth also got what she wanted, to be not marrying, not have to share power with a husband, get rid of the only strongest rival to her throne, Mary, and ruled England in its golden age until the end of her life. But, let's not forget the points that determine the victory, which were "HEIR" and "RELIGION". Basically, these two countries are fighting for these two things. Mary failed in matters of religion, she was executed and accused of treason by her own people because of her religion, and even though her son ruled over two united nations, still his son eventually became a Protestant monarch. Elizabeth lost in terms of producing an heir, even though she was able to get rid of Mary and keep the country Protestant, still the current royal family get their legitimacy to a unified crown and can trace their lineage back to earlier kings (Tudor, York, Plantagenet, Norman, and Anglo Saxon), these are all from the Mary Stuart line.

it would have been unwatchable imo without these two. they made this an enjoyable watch, even if it’s super inaccurate (not just this scene but multiple scenes.) yes i get that it’s fiction but the changes made were just ridiculous when they could have easily done it the historically correct way. either way i recommend this if you wanna see two powerhouse performances but other than that it’s not that great in every other way.

Very good acting

After reading the biography of Elizabeth and piecing together what history handed down, this could have gotten worse quickly if that meeting really happened. Elizabeth was in no way an easy to talk to person. She was sharp tongued, not having disobedience or any shit and could get very bitchy from today's point of view, especially in her later years. My own interpretation is, that Elizabeth didn't like her, but also really didn't wanted to kill her because of her own experience with her sister Mary, as she was at her mercy and imprisoned in the tower before being housebound in Hatfield. In the end Elizabeth had no choice to sign her death warrant, to keep herself in power.

It would have changed history if they had actually met in real life.

Beautiful... People from the past

Great acting from both Queens. 🎉

Best scene 👍

I know it's 425 years later or so but can you imagine how hard this is to watch for a Scottish person? Elizabeth knew it would be traumatic for the rest of history. She was right.

I keep seeing people in the comments insisting a "secret meeting" was impossible while others saying "well...just maybe." The thing is this movie while based on history is a historical drama and for narrative purposes it is a much more satisfying climax to have Mary and Elizabeth come fact-to-face.

Amazing movie

Everyone complaining how inaccurate this meeting was but not mentioning the black and asian servants.

Margot Robbie looks like Jessica Lange in the thumbnail.

Even though this meeting is fictional it is really cool to think what if they really did meet.

Jealousy & Envy are two utterly different things

Preciso rever esse filme. Tenho um pequeno acervo.Estou numa fase de assistir filmes históricos. Aceito sugestões de 2021 em diante,por favor.

Mary of guise/ Mary Stewart, Queen of Scotts (cousin) Mary Tudor, Queen of England (aunt) Mary the first, Blood Mary (sister) Or so I've read from research. Damn, they were really fond of the name Mary over there in England.

This never happened in history but the screenplay is amazing

what a diverse cast members 👏🏻

Apparently in real life Elizabeth met her in secret while she was in prison, and went to see her head and body later to make sure she was dead

I hate that people always treat Mary like a victim. Sure, she may have been a victim in some ways. But, she was not a victim of Elizabeth. Mary worked to have Elizabeth, not only deposed, but murdered. Even after all of that Elizabeth was reluctant to execute her. Mary’s hubris, lust, stupidity, and hate was her own downfall. No one else’s.

“I was jealous. You seemed to surpass me in every way. But now I see there is no cause for envy. Your gifts are your downfall.” 👍🏼

They should have ruled England and Scotland together as sisters and defied the men who tried to destroy them. Such as tragic history for both. Mary evidently moreso.

Knowing that in reality they never met and Mary didn’t have a Scottish accent which she probably had a french of a English accent but overall the movie was still ok 👌

The actresses are great, but the dialogue in this scene is very absurd and unrealistic. There is no way that they would have been so emotional and transparent with each other given the situation.. they were complete strangers. I think this might've been better if in the film they had both "imagined" what having this conversation would've been like rather than pretending that they actually did have it.

Imagine thinking you’re so hideous and you have to go through all this trouble.

Saoirse was amazing

im more weirded out that mary has a scottish accent, she was raised in france since she was 5

"When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground." Cersei Lannister.......fictional but true.

Mary didn’t speak with a Scottish accent but with French one. She spent most of her life living in France…

Knowing what I have studied about E1, I believe totally that she did visit MQS. Details here are never known and assumptions have to be made. Except for the fact the MQS would have had a French accent, this is a very human depiction showing raw vulnerability from both.

In this film happens the impossible: Queen Elizabeth is beautiful, except the make up nose, and Mary of Scot's is clearly less beautiful. It's been thought that exactly the opposite was the matter of the dislike between them. Elizabeth was ugly and Mary very beautiful with amazing charm. Mary of Scots was a dangerous woman, she wanted under any circumstances the crown. Mary wasn't a victim of Queen Elizabeth, but a victim of Queen Caterina de Medici and the diplomacy of the Cardinals. Mary needs a truly dramatic actress and this should be Margot Robbie with the stunning gift of her beauty, which is an advantage for the role.

The history books speak nothing of Mary Queen of Scots ever meeting Pennywise!

Elizabeth was really looking at her like she was crazy 😂. Girl you bringing up my father, calling yourself MY Queen, when I’m the one with the crown. Tf? You don’t even got a solid plan to get it.

How did they not win ALL the Oscars!!!

This is pure fanfiction

This conversation is beyond outlandish. Idk who came up with the dialogue but it is very bad. Mary is not her Queen. Mary is delusional and she probably was in real life too which would explain why she constantly got herself into one bad situation after another. Mary's delusional status is the only thing therefore that is accurate about this ridiculous scene. Elizabeth's claim on England was far stronger than Mary's which is probably why she was Queen of England and not Mary.

Everyone had abandoned her, and this movie is supposed to have her as the protagonist being the title character, but the Director and storytellers have a hard time portraying her in a good light, this scene perfectly shows how impossible it was not to behead her. Her life was hanging by a thread even then, Elizabeth warned her that her fate is in her hands, and Elizabeth kept her under such safety for half a lifetime, but protection with no one else in the world to help her proved too much that Mary wrote some thing to condemn her to execution. I’m still processing the fact that she’s supposed to be the protagonist, and the reality of her life makes it impossible to do so. I saw another movie called gunpowder and plot, which shows her equally unhinged. You can see the same defiance in teenagers at school today. Mary could not develop or behave into her 40s.

It's so weird seeing someone else other than adelaide kane play Mary Queen of Scots