Queen Mary Bows to Elizabeth | The Crown (Eileen Atkins, Claire Foy) 

It's a FICTIONALISED TV SHOW! If you want to know about the genuine life of Elizabeth II, read a biography of her by a well regarded author who does his/her own research.

did you make this? or regurgitate it from somewhere else?

Excellent acting by Claire Foy. You can see it in her eyes: ‘i know this is what’s meant to happen but it all feels so wrong’. Same when Queen Mum curtseyed too.

But also when the yes men ... in the suits are all shouting god save the queen and bowing on their knees to her

It is wrong….. Bow before no human!

​@@DavidSmith-en8yl You're not supposed to bow due to weakness but out of respect. Being mutually respectful is a sign of great strength in character.

One might think that's why they wrote it in the script thusly...

They do that because she’s the sovereign and no matter how much older or younger, you bow to them.

When a queen bows to you then you know your life has changed.

@@brettlarch8050 Also she's not bowing to a person. When Lilibet became Queen Elizabeth Regina, Lilibet essentially "transcended" and ceased to exist as a person. She has become the crown, a symbol of the nation. She has to remove many of her human traits which is quite sombre for a human being.

How do you not just go like oh hey what up grandma ?

​@@1javixDThat'll be funny

Yes. I felt so sorry for Margaret. But that is the protocol.

@@cherylhulting1301 yes indeed. I guess everyone was learning. It's good that the courtiers knew the protocols.

​@@user-dj3yv4ke5r The Queen Mum knew the protocol - notice that she is the one who stops Margaret from proceeding ahead! Margaret for just a second appears annoyed but Margaret gets the hint real fast and pulls herself together.😊😊😊

Yes you can Phillip was learning as well because if you look at the scene again notice Phillip doesnt walk with Elizabeth at first he hesitated waiting for Margagret to go before him.

@@hb2862 yes yes you are right. The death of the king during that area must been a shock to everyone. Queen Elizabeth was young and I'm sure she wasnt ready but her duty to country came first. RIP

She did also lose her father though, it was still something very impactful in her life.

Exactly

I think the father part may stand out more to a person who loved their parents, but sure, the takeaway was that this was the day in history when she mourned the loss of herself.

This scene was so powerful and scary… no going back after this!!

Well said!

The sound mixer did an amazing job

Basically, shit just got real.

Yes. That was the true transfer of power right there.

It was excellent indeed. I still think that the scene where Churchill realized the depth of his fascination with painting the pond was connected to his losing the one child was even more powerful. The subtle changes in his facial expression, and the delivery of the lines ... absolute masterclass in acting brilliance. (The episode was called Assassins, in season 1).

I think you are right.

When queen Mary bowed to Elizabeth is when it finally hit that Elizabeth was now THE queen of England. Very dramatic scene.

This scene may well be counted among the most powerful in the annals of television.

Came here to say the same thing. None of the scenes resonate like this one does.

I heard that

Emmy, you mean television

​@@IndependentConversations Emmy = Television Oscar = Movies Tony = Live Stage Performance Grammy = Written or Recorded Songs

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if the queen was black and the grandmother was trans it would of. but this scene is too white now. the oscars only will be given to black people, brown people, queer people.

It's so beautifully staged over the images of the new Queen returning.

John Lithgow was amazing as Winston Churchill.

Especially as he is American! Too tall as Churchill in other scenes but a masterclass in acting nevertheless. Hugely impressed.

@@valeriehenderson241 Half. His mother was American, his father was not.

Wow, thanks for the insight 😮

She does the full curtsey too although at her age and with arthritis the lesser one would have been acceptable. Definitely Old School.

And the look on Queen Mary’s face conveys one thing: You better not mess this up.

Queen Mary. Not a smiler.

It’s the emotion held in her throat….I cannot imagine how she “acted” that reaction. She nailed it.

@@terminallumbago6465Can you blame her? She saw three once great Royal houses go down in flames due to their heads fucking up. The Romanovs in Russia, the Habsburgs in Austria and the Hohenzollerns in Germany.

@@Exodon2020 Oh not at all. It seems like the letter scene basically conveys what she means in this scene too,

What everyone is missing is that they did not curtsey to Elizabeth as a person. They curtseyed to the incumbent of the British monarchy. In so doing, they are expressing their loyalty to the crown, not to her personally.

​@@karenburrows9184noone is missing that lol- that's why the show is called "The Crown" and not "Queen Elizabeth"

@@seoulnessie Well, I took my cue from a good number of the comments, which didn't seem to have a clue why it was done. I'm now very aware that you, at least, did not miss it.

@@karenburrows9184 I doubt for any of them it's easy to separate the two. How can you when it's a family enterprise? Queen Mary was born and grew up in her mother's paternal first cousin's reign (Victoria) and her mother-in-law (Alexandra of Denmark) was her second cousin on her mother's mother's side (House of Hesse). European royalty was a closed group until after the First World War. Even Elizabeth II and Prince Philip were cousins in multiple directions.

@@seoulnessie Really. I had no idea that everyone (literally) was so well-educated on the British monarchy. Imagine that.

While this concludes a longer connected scene prior to this one, I thought the most important scene in the series was the letter written by Mary to Elizabeth,. Whenever I see this episode with a first timer I always mention to pay particular attention to the letter. That 1 minute will explain the rest of the series. As you stated, it cements Elizabeth’s behavior and philosophy for the rest of the series. What is great about this particular scene is Mary steps out of the car when Churchill begins to reminisce about the transition from Victorian era to current day. Mary literally was the remaining relic of that era and passed the matron head of household baton to Elizabeth.

@@jose_305thank you for that summarization, I haven’t watched the series yet but have always been fascinated with these dynamics between the royals and our humanity at play. I will have to watch the letter scene and might just watch the series. Thanks again! Cheers

Yes. Truly, one of the all time greats!

Queen Mary and King George V saved the monarchy. His Majesty's reign, with Queen Mary at his side, would make a wonderful series prequel to this series.

Its all quite stupid when you think of it. A self appointed monarchy that stems from them murdering people, taking their land and appointing themselves as royals, as sheeplike minds follow suit. I'm sure the Normans are quite proud but I think the monarch won't survive after George.

Well her family didn’t “lose” her, but they certainly had a new element to their relationship with her.

Hear, Hear!

She was the most dignified ruling monarch since Queen Victoria. King George VI was also to be commended for his loyalty to his wife and family, unlike his father who ruled with a heartless, iron fist nor his grandfather, who ruled with his fly open. Even Albert bullied his children with his German culture clashing with English traditional child rearing which greatly impacted Bertie's character development.

It was a privilege to bear witness to the second Elizabethan Age.

Important to be aware the old queen was George VI's grieving mother.

@@cindygarrison6338 and she died the next year.

The 6th British monarch she curtseyed to. From Queen Victoria onward...

​@@chadoakley8505 Including her husband, 2 children, and a grandchild. And of course, knew King Charles too. 6 Monarchs + 1 Monarch-in-waiting (although she never would have curtseyed to him)

I’m English but wasn’t born until the early 1960s, but I was upset by the pictures of the two Queen Consorts, Mary (wife of King George V) and Elizabeth (wife of King George VI) together with the new Queen Regnant, Elizabeth II, waiting for the arrival of the coffin of King George VI. We lost a King and gained a Queen. Queen Mary lost her husband and then her son. Queen Consort Elizabeth lost her husband. Queen Elizabeth II lost her paternal grandfather and later her father.

Queen Mary was also alive.

@@brweeks881 To be fair, she died before QEII was even crowned so she barely experienced any of her granddaughter's 70-year reign.

@haventesla8648 it's basically church coronation and creating her sovereign in the eyes of God. Reigns end and begin upon the death of the late sovereign.

Everyone in the UK who was over the age of 51 would have known the reign of both queens. This took place in February, 1952 and Victoria died in January, 1901.

@@mcarp555 Yes, but many of that generation was killed in World War I, and many then died in world War II.

You're missing a great series. 😊❤ I just think that the one's with Diana are too soon. And too many people are taking the show as pure non fiction. When it's fiction based on real events. And it's brought Princess Anne to the forefront. As she should be.

If you watch it, you will wholeheartedly enjoy it. It’s truly fascinating.

I binged it a couple months ago. It’s really good.

You'll thoroughly enjoy the series. I especially loved the 1st two seasons. Check out an episode or two and you'll be hooked. 😊

@@pilotgal6191 definitely. I just feel like the one's with Diana are too soon. But that's just me.

The rhtymic cadence of the score propels the scene forward with growing intensity until that moment when Queen Mary appears in the doorway - then all motion stops. Brilliant scoring, cinematography, and direction.

Absolutely incredible indeed

I never watched the show its self, So watching this clip it took me a while to realise that it was Lithgow playing Churchill. He was straight up unrecognisable, so complete was his portrayal.

Why are you proud to be subject to groups of people who claims to be chosen by God?

@@BiG-JuPO1O1 He said he was proud to be a British subject. Referencing his national heritage, not the Royal family.

@@Blackmark7410 What I mean is he a subject to the Monarch, meaning groups of people who believes they were chosen by God to rule over people. Not sure you understand what and how Monarch works.

@@BiG-JuPO1O1 I assure you I have a far greater concept of how a constitutional Monarchy works, we abandoned the concept of an absolute Monarchy in Britain along time go. Her Magesty was respected because she earned that respect through dedicated service to the nation. There are advantages to not having a circus sideshow every four years and ending up with clown like Sleepy Joe.

Yes. I was actually thinking about how many of her sons had died when she stepped out of the car.

I’m glad the Royal family members lives don’t seem all that happy. You can’t butcher, pillage countries and get your happy ending.

Yet one of Marys last toughts were that the coronation should go ahead as planned even thoe it was just weeks after her death,to her the crown and duty the crown had came befor anything

Exactly!

Well said

Why would Prince Phillip be raging ? he does looked angry but I do plead ignorance on royal family

He really is brilliant in this role. He portrayed all of those difficult emotions during that time of their lives.

I loved the barely there smile at Margaret. It was a nod the the difficulty of the changing circumstance and an understanding that she was going to have to get used to being in the shadow of her sister. Matt Smith has an uncanny ability to convey emotion with just a fraction of his face. He's truly gifted.

@@mikeyj9607 Because he knows how much their life is going to change. He always accepted that Elizabeth would be Queen, he was just angry she became Queen so young. He knew life would never be the same again. If King Charles dies in the next couple of years William will be King and Catherine will probably feel the same way. More for the children than anything. At the moment they have as much freedom as is practical, the moment William ascends the throne that ends.

@@adelucas4824 Thank you

What were they realistically expecting? Churchill was a great speaker, and he wasn't going to humiliate the Crown on national - international! - broadcast...

@@johnroscoe2406 He would never intentionally make any mistakes; they were hoping for him to have some sort of breakdown on air.

She also looks angry......

That's old people for u

​@@kc_1018😂😂

@@carrietide At that moment in her life, she had outlived 3 of her children, and one was in disgrace, at least as far as she and the rest of the family were concerned--as much faith as she undoubtedly had in her granddaughter, it was undoubtedly not a happy occasion.

Inherited the job. Inherited the money, castles, jewels and more. Very little required of her other than to hide the family's behaviour as much as possible and not get in the way. No longer really involved in matters of state, governing, the military or even the church. Attend the functions like a birthday clown, wave from a balcony and rubber stamp the laws passed by parliament.

Nice reality check to the enthralling storytelling. Thank you. 🙂

@@seanwebb605 - Jeff Bezos's ex-wife got a divorce settlement that dwarfed the Queen's personal fortune many times over. Much of what you describe does not actually belong to the monarch directly, it is owned by the Crown Estate, which belongs to the government. So what's your point? If the Queen had called herself a CEO then few would question how much she gets paid for how much work or how much of it was just being a public face.

And never once did this family apologize for their role in colonialism, starvation, famines , and overall genocide of my people.

@@amritasengupta5251 - Oh boo-hoo! I'm not expecting Russia to ever apologize for all that done to *my* people!

What can even compare? But this series is really well done.

Elizabeth the second. Elizabeth the first was a tudor queen

@@Em_Rose_ thanks for the correction. Had a typo error there.

Yes, This is a very powerful scene, I get goosebumps and chills every time, when Queen Mary Bowed before her own Granddaughter. USA. ❤🇬🇧👑

"SHIT JUST GOT REAL! I'm gonna have to cut more ribbons now."

NGL, I couldn't help but think "damn, her knees are better than mine if she can curtsy that low and get back up without help!"

@@pompe221 lol, same thing I say everytime I see her do this, such a powerful scene and moment.❤️💯

@@pompe221 She was quite frail at that point but she's have broken a hip if it meant she bowed properly to the new Queen. Mary was formidable and a stickler for protocol. I think she'd rather have been hit by a train than fail to bow to the new monarch.

That's John Lithgow.

Yes. Very good work.

Touching.,

For near a century, she was THE QUEEN. Her passing marked the beginning of a new era, not just for England, but for the majority of the world as we know it.

How could anyone disgrace her?!!’ Heartbreaking! She’s so incredible, so dedicated!! URH Queen Elizabeth!

Royal or Commoner - Granny will always be Granny 😂

It actually took place at Sandringham House where the King had died. And Queen Mary couldn't have kissed the Coronation Ring because she died before the Coronation. The ring is only worn at the Coronation. You confuse the Monarch with the Pope who wears a ring you should kiss.

I just checked her biolgraphy by James Pope-Henessey. We are both wrong. Homage was made at Clarence House (the residence of Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip before the assention at exactly 4:30 in the afteroon. Queen Mary drove out of Marlbourough House at 4:00 in the afternoon -- the same time Queen Elizabeth arrived at Clarence House immeidately upon her return to London. The trip to Sandringham would be the next day. Queen Mary inisisted on being the first to "kiss her ring". @@bradfordzone5187

I just checked Queen Mary's official biography by James Pople Hennesey and the meeting between the new Queen Elizabeth and her grandmother actually took place at Clarence House, the residence of Queen Elizabeth as Princess Elizabeth (next door to Marlborough House) immeidately upon Queen Elizabeth's return to London. Queen Mary was quoted as saying that "She needed to be the first to kiss the nee Queen's Ring" in another biogrlphy of her, Matriarch, by Anne Edwards. The trip to Sandringham would come immediately after. Queen Mary was quite ill by the time her grandaughter became Queen, and she probably was too tired to make the trip to Sandringham House. @@bradfordzone5187

She was fearsome indeed.

I would tremble too. Queen Mary was formidable. Her curtsy here absolutely brought the full reality home to the new Queen. Powerful scene.

It was as if Death itself was curtseying to the new Queen.

Yes

The Crown must win, the Crown must always win

Really? What about Queen Pette Buttiget??

@@stuartlee6622who?

@@aliciakerr7639 Stuart took a moment for a homophobic slur against and American politician.

@@seanwebb605 thanks, I still have no idea who that is.

and the idiot can't even spell Pete's name right@@seanwebb605

It serves to drive home the idea that her sister had ceased to be her sister first and foremost and became her queen. It's a very strange and alien thing generally and particularly strange to American eyes. The comparison I suppose I could offer- though with actual power rather than titular or historic meaning-is stories you hear about power transfers when a President is assassinated or dies in office and the VP steps up. You wake up one thing and go to bed an entirely different thing.

@NoThankYouReally as an American, I don't find it alien and strange at all. I agree with you. The significance was also to signal to HRH Prince Phillip he is now "ahead " of the others in protocol. Cinematically well done through and through.

@@twobearshomestead Yes, very well done. When I said "alien" I was trying to draw a distinction from one who has some sort of totemic, symbolic "power", toothless power, granted by birth (a modern King or Queen of England) vs someone who was selected (more or less) by his or her fellow countrymen to lead and wield incredibly significant power. For the King or Queen, it's literally random. Completely unrelated to talent, achievement, or anything else. A "famous person", rock star or whatever, who receives some sort of deference, has at least convinced at least some people that they deserve that deference through some observable input. One could argue, somewhat persuasively in my opinion, that some men (and women) meet the moment and make the most of what fate has handed them. I put Elizabeth II in that category. Was she the perfect person for the job? I imagine there were better, but she seemed rather good and deserves some deference for THAT, apart from her "by birth" notoriety. Perhaps I am overthinking it. I would agree with you that "alien" was not the right word. Perhaps "different than what one would expect in America by an American."

Agreed

Completely agree.

Yes...God save Elizabeth the Great

A former queen consort bowing to a monarch.

He was in real politics dire straights too at the time, which is why you see his political enemy wince at the completion of his speech because once again Churchill delivered a masterpiece that would make it impossible to get rid of him anytime soon.

It’s true.

I believe she inherited a lot of her strength from her grandmother.