Mary Tudor: Sister of Henry VIII

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Today's video topic has been much requested! We're looking into the biography of Henry VIII's sister, Mary Tudor, Queen of France - to do her justice, however, we're going to need to excavate her from the fiction(s) of her life...
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Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
The Whitehall Mural by Remigius van Leemput, after Hans Holbein the Younger (1667). Held by the Royal Collection.
Portrait of Arthur, Prince of Wales, Anglo-Flemish School (c.1500). Held in a private collection, Hever Castle, Kent.
Portrait of Elizabeth of York by an anonymous artist (late 16th century). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland by Daniel Mytens (c. 1620-38). Held by the Royal Collection.
Portrait of James IV of Scots by an unknown artist (17th century). Held by the National Galleries.
Portrait of Henry VII by an unknown artist (1505). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Mary Tudor (detail) attributed to Jan Gossaert (c.1518). Held in the collection of the Earl of Yarborough; Brocklesby Park, Lincolnshire.
Portrait of a young Henry VIII, attributed to Meynnart Wewyck (c.1509). Held by the Denver Art Museum.
Portrait of Philip I of Castile, called the Handsome, by Juan de Flandes (c.1500). Held by the Kunsthistorisches Museum.
“Portrait of Joan the Mad” by Juan de Flandes (between 1496 and 1500). Held by the Kunsthistorisches Museum.
Portrait of Emperor Maximilian and his family by Bernhard Strigel (after 1515). Held by the Kunsthistorisches Museum.
16th century woodcut of the coronation of Henry VIII of England and Catherine of Aragon showing their heraldic badges, the Tudor rose and the pomegranate. From Stephen Hawes, A Joyfull Medytacvon to All Englande(1509), printed Wynkyn de Worde, 4to, n.d. (Cambridge University Library), a single sheet with woodcut of the coronation of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon.
Louis XII of France and his third wife, English princess Mary Tudor, from a book detailing the pageants given for Mary's reception into France by Pierre Gringoire (c.1514). Held by the British Library.
Portrait of Anne Boleyn by an unknown artist, probably based on a contemporary portrait which no longer survives (late 16th century). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Mary Boleyn by an unknown artist. Held at Hever Castle.
Double portrait of Princess Mary Tudor and Charles Brandon, duke of Suffolk, attributed to Jan Gossaert (c. 1515-1516). Held at Woburn Abbey.
The Execution of Lady Jane Grey, by Paul Delaroche (1833). National Gallery, London.
Painting of the Field of the Cloth of Gold, British School. Previously attributed to Hans Holbein the Younger (1545). Held by the Royal Collection.
Portrait of Katherine of Aragon by an unknown artist (early 18th century). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Henry VIII by Joos Van Cleve (c.1530-35). Held by the Royal Collection.
Portrait of Anne Boleyn by an unknown English artist (late 16th century, based on a work of circa 1533-1536). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Composite panorama photograph of the remains of Bury St Edmunds Abbey, Suffolk, England, with the tower of St James' Cathedral in the background taken by JohnArmagh (2011).
Mary Tudor's Tomb, St Mary's Church - Bury St Edmunds by Jim Linwood from London (2015).
Portrait of Horace Walpole by John Giles Eccardt (c.1755). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Quoted texts:
Excerpts from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entries on Mary Tudor, Queen of France and Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk.

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I'm only a fan of yourself, however I always interpreted the scene where Margaret died in milk as more symbolic of her cause of death. Back then "consumption" (if I remember that's what they said was her cause of death) could have been passed through unhygienic living and contaminated milk! Anyway that's the link I made. Although again I'm no media expert.

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@lynnedelacy2841 3 года назад

What about looking at Charles Brandon’s life The one person who seemed to be able to keep his friendship with the turbulent Henry all his life

@adunreathcooper 3 года назад

So often we see friends falling out when power dynamics change, in history, but it seems that Henry and Charles really were as thick as thieves, boyhood friends who really were friends.

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@RABuffat 3 года назад

I’d be curious to know if one or both of his parents were narcissistic for him to have learned such tolerance for Henry’s shenanigans.

@wednesdayschild3627 3 года назад

Kinda amazing Brandon kept his head.

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

@mbd It was easier to agree with Henry than oppose him

@SpyderQueen1988 3 года назад

Your breakdown of The Tudors justifies me never watching the show, it would have driven me up the wall! I've already paused the video to rant at my partner about the inaccuracies!

@TheBeetress 3 года назад

When I watched it I knew nothing of history, but im like that with the spanish princess now

@Geo_Babe 8 месяцев назад

The Tudors has a super special place in my heart! Came out at just the right time with several of my all time fave actors I grew up with (Jonny Rhys Meyers, Jeremy Northam, Sam Neill?! ALL ⭐️⭐️⭐️!! It gets a far worse rap than it deserves. This show did not set out to create a documentary, it’s showtime people. However the shows creator Michael Hirst is someone who understands that one has to know the rules in order to break them - he understood the assignment. It really captures the essence / spirit of these characters I had spent my entire youth reading about - bringing them alive and into a way my brain could really relate to as a 20 year old in the modern world…looking at one Holbein portrait over and over to envision their features … and this show happened to bring them to life brilliantly. The drama was hilarious, and just that - drama to serve the narrative and intertwined fiction to appease a wide range of people (Tallis and Compton gay lovers?! I dig!)… that is how historical drama works… fiction is the best gateway drug to actual history no one can attest to this better than me, I became a 16C historian because of this show! So no one can truly say it doesn’t have some sort of heart to it… I’m not alone in this sentiment either! I’ve met others around my age who have had similar Experiences- that’s fun and totally worth celebrating! The rest is just fun to serve the greater story for the 21st century screen, it’s like, lighten up ya know? Anything that turns people onto history is worth celebrating… it’s also of no comparison whatsoever to the soap opera, lowly produced style of Reign or those Starz “White” Gregory based series! The Tudors was well researched and used their massive budget wisely the core of their performances and stories fleshed out. I’m also always baffled at the popular objection over “all the sex”?! To be fair, it was primarily the marketing (genius), in the pilot & usually the series ironically objectified the male actors rather than the women which was unusual for the mid 00s. The Tudors was in on the joke, and that is something the series and it’s creators hardly get credit for.

@kathymoore9827 3 года назад

Enjoyed this very much. I find the Tudors and that period fascinating. I also enjoy reading about Elizabeth Woodville and her mother, Jaquetta. I would love to hear you speak about these ladies.

@theresecatalano4017 3 года назад

I have always been amazed that Charles Brandon for the most part stayed in Henry’s favor. As for Mary, she knew what she wanted & she did get it. She married Brandon. So you have to give her that!

@pampoovey6722 3 года назад

Cheers to positive sponsorships. Also, fantastic video as usual. Have you ever thought about doing hypothetical history? Might be fun.

@thewhitequeen2883 3 года назад

She also mentioned In the Spanish queen on Starz but a little bit different than the tudors you do part two and do a review on this too I like to see your options. Also the white queen and white princess

@nohjuan3048 3 года назад

Wasn't there an American TV show about her about 10 years ago? I think it was called Reign.

@TheLadyT23 3 года назад

The best thing about The Tudors series... Henry Cavill!

@amywebb4586 Год назад

I watched the Tudors during the pandemic while I was in the middle of a deep dive into the War of the Roses & Tudor history. This also happens to be my favorite era in history. The show was...entertaining. But did an absolute hatchet job on history and was (in my opinion) barely concealed pornography. But I also realized it was not meant to be historical.

@NageelaMom 9 месяцев назад

So, I understand why they made her marry the king of Portugal instead of France like reality. They moved the timeline, and already had shown her ACTUAL husband's son-in-law as the current king of France. Now, this obviously could have been avoided by keeping to the timeline, but I understand why it was done given that they'd already shown the Field of Cloth of Gold

@alisonmcnamara800 3 года назад

Don't you think Henry would have dumped Katherine at some point, if it wasn't Anne it would have been the next crush?

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@isawa6649 3 года назад

Thank you

@jenthebubble1914 3 года назад

Is there anything to the rumour that the famous Anne Boleyn portrait is actually of Mary Tudor? The famous B necklace would actually stand for Brandon not Boleyn?

@ReadingthePast 3 года назад

I’ve certainly heard that suggested. It’s definitely a possibility. Alas, no proof either way... at least, not yet!

@aleksandrajablan 3 года назад

@@ReadingthePast didn't Anne have a letter A, B and AB necklace as well, reason why QE wore it as well

@patriciauselton6460 3 года назад

The portraits at 25:32 of Mary Tudor and Anne Boleyn are quite similar.

@abriannaruiz 2 года назад

Is there a video on Elizabeth of York?

@ImCarolB 5 месяцев назад

I am a very annoying historical costuming purist, and after seeing advertisements for the television show, I decided I would not be able to bear it. I also knew that no one in my family would be able to bear having me in the room while I watched it. I'm glad I never subjected myself to it.

@annfisher3316 3 года назад

I have always been fascinated by Mary's moxy. Thank you! 🌹🌿🌹👍👏

@poutinedream5066 3 года назад

Respectively? Is that to say that Henry was born in 1515 and Henry was born in 1522?

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@Riot_Bird 3 года назад

Well that was something I didn't know, I knew that Ann had been the Lady in waiting of the Queen of France what I didn't know was that she was also Henry's sister.... neat

@nataliapanfichi9933 4 месяца назад

Good video

@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535 2 года назад

i am astonished to learn that both anne and mary boylen were henry's sister Mary's maids....omg! THATS WHY the king of france sent them away...because he "knew" of them already..omg!!! and wasnt Anne Boylen the maid of queen Catherine of aragon ?...omg? SCANDELOUS!! and poor catherine howard...good lord the men of these times were so predatory...no doubt catherine was trafficked to henry! ugh! so crazy...im so glad elizabeth ended that line...

@LoveNathasha 3 года назад

One of the few women who defied Henry the 8th (by marrying without his permission) and didn’t lose her head!

@wednesdayschild3627 3 года назад

He would not dare. They believed royalty was favored by God. Imo that is wht Henry turned on Anne after catherine died. He raised his hand to a royal.

@wendygerrish4964 3 года назад

The money, remember the money into Henry's coffers from France.

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

@@wendygerrish4964 Mary was lucky Henry didn't marry her off again for the sake of the money 💰🤑

@annstillwell730 3 года назад

It's rumored she smuggled a very big diamond from France that her husband had given to her and turned it over to Henry. Q King Francois e as said to be really mad about it at the time.

@jonathananderinholmes8318 3 года назад

@@wednesdayschild3627 do you mean to say that henry didnt really see anne as a royal? (because i know i dont, i see her as raised by the king,) he saw catherine as a royal for obvious reasons, but are we speculating that he really pushed for annes ultimate downfall because she actually, by blood birth, was not a royal? i have wondered this myself, because he only executed the 2 queens of low-birth as compared to the queens of royal birth like catherine of aragon or anne of cleves- you cant touch a lady who has a whole royal house behind her in her native country. but anne boelyn? toast. she had no international family to defend her. i think thats perhaps why henry was able to do away -specifically- with her the way he did, yet he "allowed" for his other divorced royal-blood queens to merely "retire" to some other property.

@RABuffat 3 года назад

I started watching The Tudors during the pandemic lockdown last year. I knew almost nothing of Tudor history but immediately knew the bit about Margaret and the King of Portugal had to be embellished. So I did what anyone would do.... consulted Dr. Google. Then I became more confused, but at least more wary of The Tudors. I started googling many of the story lines and characters, then finding youtube vids on the topics. That’s how I found you Dr. Kat. And what a great find! Thank you!

@Raven_Nivhaar 3 года назад

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@MartinHomeVideo Год назад

Everything bad is good for something.

@Amelia7o9 Год назад

I love the Tudors but that's because I'm well versed in the history and enjoy watching the wildly-inaccurate mess in front of me. And they tried way more than Reign ever did.

@catherineroyce3095 3 года назад

Could you do comparison videos on the Starz series of The White Queen, The White Princess, and The Spanish Princess with how historically accurate/inaccurate they are?

@gonefishing167 3 года назад

Trust me, very inaccurate! But - a star of accuracy compared to Reign! I advised the Laughing a cavalier to refrain from watching it unless it do his blood pressure in! 🤣🤣. RIP Prince Philip. A staunch supporter of Her Majesty and a man of honour and integrity. A trait which is sadly lacking in this younger generation 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

@storytimetl 3 года назад

@@gonefishing167 pretty sure Phillip’s generation had its fair share of wronguns

@salomealhusami594 3 года назад

Seconded

@bluebellthesecond8353 3 года назад

Great video Dr Kat as usual. I would also love you make one the Startz series.

@jenniferf7711 3 года назад

I loved the White Queen and The White Princess, even with the inaccuracies, as I love historical drama/fiction. I thought I would love it, but I was not a fan of The Spanish Princess.

@gwynwellliver4489 3 года назад

I have tried to watch "The Tudors" twice. I can't make it past the 3rd episode. Ha, ha. Seriously, the Tudors made so much drama on their own, they didn't need the writers to screw it up!

@ginawiggles918 3 года назад

I had the same experience. I'm a history buff and I want to see history portrayed accurately.

@Jen321able 3 года назад

I love all kind of period dramas and could never finish that one. Not really because of the accuracy but I just hated Henry for the most part.

@helenpieske622 3 года назад

I always imagine it plays in a parallel universe it really helps so you can judge it separately from the accuracy but even though I can do it I only watch it at midnight when I'm bored and just for the drama haha

@leonieromanes7265 3 года назад

Agreed.

@karenstrong6734 3 года назад

@@ginawiggles918 same, I tried but I couldn’t stand that shallow piece of trash. I was so glad I didn’t show my mother this show, instead I showed her the classic 1966 “A man for all seasons” with Paul scofield and Robert Shaw. But that movie only focuses on sir Thomas more. Sure the movie wasn’t 100 percent accurate, hey I find it way better than the tudors. I got her hooked to Tudor history, so we can get Tudor books from the library for her and I to read.

@ns-wz1mx 3 года назад

the tudor’s was THE show that got me into history. i still like the drama of it but i wish they could’ve been more true to history

@jezpin3638 3 года назад

Fun story: when Anne Boleyn was new on that show I was talking to a lady that I just met. she had only watched the show I have only read the history. When I said anne lost her head she told me off for the spoilers. My jaw hit the ground. I have NO GAUGE on the etiquette of spoilers for dramas based on historical events. I mean, there were people that disagreed with James Camerons choice to sink the Titanic. W. T. F. 🤦‍♀️

@Mistydazzle 3 года назад

Seek out & watch “The Six Wives of Henry VIII”, “Anne of a Thousand Days”, “Elizabeth R”, all made in the 1970’s.

@ns-wz1mx 3 года назад

@@Mistydazzle thank you!!!!

@heatherstaskevicius33 3 года назад

@@Mistydazzle the six wives of Henry the 8th....it hooked me I'd love to see that series again

@lisakilmer2667 3 года назад

@@Mistydazzle I remember watching the 6 Wives - really beautifully done, and I was completely hooked on the Tudors as a 12-year-old. I think the costumes were displayed at Hampton Court, maybe --- I remember seeing them somewhere and being dazzled. That series was a trailblazer because of its accuracy, which was unusual at the time for "period dramas" (look at Austen adaptations from the 70s!)

@julieblackstock8650 3 года назад

I have been to the church to see her tomb, its very modest and then to Moyses Museum which has two locks of her red hair

@ReadingthePast 3 года назад

Ooo, thank you! I hadn’t considered that any of the locks would still survive 🙌 I’m adding another museum to my post lockdown list!!!

@julieblackstock8650 3 года назад

@@ReadingthePast if you like the macabre the museum also has William Corders death head and a book bound with his skin!! *red barn murder*

@lenabreijer1311 3 года назад

But all hair turns red after death. Something to do with decomposition.

@scz1770 3 года назад

Hair can frequently turn red after death when it oxidizes. I doubt very much it's actually hers.

@julieblackstock8650 3 года назад

@@scz1770 really. You must be one of those armchair experts

@theloverlyladylo9158 2 года назад

Whenever I think of the Tudors, I think of the wise words of my Tudor England professor: "This show took reality, and it took of its clothes off, and then twisted and contorted it ways that look very impressive on screen but never happen in real life". Yes, he opened class by calling the reason most people were there the porn version of history. And that's why he's one of my favorite professors to this day.

@ReadingthePast 2 года назад

He sounds like really good fun 🤩

@cassiemontgomery45 Год назад

Your professor is absolutely right. As long as something is titillating, people will watch, especially in the USA. Sex sells.

@skontheroad Год назад

I found the Tudors good fun to watch. But it did really bother me that the Gabriele Anwar character was Margaret. Unnecessary. Otherwise it helped turn people onto the Tudors craze, and as the daughter of a history professor, I knew the history, but the show helped me learn some new things and I went on to research it even more. Like it or not, many people are here bc they were turned onto the Anne Boleyn story from either the show, Phillipa Gregory's books, or some other modern discussion about the topic. Even this channel likely exists bc of those things and their popularity! Atleast the Tudors was better than that awful show Reign!

@emilytemple3829 5 месяцев назад

I jumped intro tudor history by the white queen drama show all these years ago ( season 1 one via BBC more)

@Janelane529 5 месяцев назад

I appreciate what they did right SO much. But how unbelievably frustrating that we could've had both Margaret and Mary Tudor, two incredibly interesting and intriguing plotlines... but instead we got some bastardization of both combined? And then throwing Portugal in the mix because you don't want to figure out France or Scotland within this weird his-sisters-aren't-married-yet by the time he's into Anne Boleyn timeline? It's one of my biggest frustrations with the show runners. And it's still one of my all-time favorites. It's just. Ugh. Also my boo Henry Cavill playing one of the least appealing people from the court of Henry VIII lol.

@beautyforashes2022 3 года назад

I loved hearing Mary and Brandon's explanations to Henry on their marriage, especially Brandon's. Lol, she was crying, Henry, what was I supposed to do??? That is just too funny. ☺️ Also just wanted add, this is a great video, but I love all of your videos, so I'm kind of biased in that sense. 😉Was such a fascinating story to hear. Thank you so much for sharing all of your research and knowledge with us.

@ruthanneseven 2 года назад

"Bbut she was crying" had me really laughing! The dread of men- tears!

@blackcatsandunicorns7594 3 года назад

I was fortunate enough to live in the area of Bury St Edmunds for a time and accidentally discovered she was buried there while I just wandering taking in the history. Wasn't expecting to see a royal grave on a random Wednesday, but I was absolutely delighted.

@denisehill7769 3 года назад

Did they hold the Chateau Vert pageant on laundry day, or something? As it appears the women are dancng in their underwear (some of it) :(

@valgalloway6914 3 года назад

I haven't watched the TV series, and now I know why. Such faffing around with reality would annoy the pants off me.

@teresapaskell5459 3 года назад

I’m so with you

@POGGIOALSERE 3 года назад

Agreed Let’s not waste time reviewing this trash... please

@stephaniecowans3646 3 года назад

I,too, consider "The Tudors" worthless trash TV. I so pity people who use that fiction as their source of history of the Tudor period.

@bushwickbaby 3 года назад

@@stephaniecowans3646 Instead of reading one of the many books about the Tudor period. The show is PAINFUL to watch...

@lapetitechatmere6749 3 года назад

I'm ashamed to admit I watched it. Inaccurate, terrible acting and too sexual. Don't waste your time. If you want to watch a sexy, historical fantasy, Bridgerton is great.

@HattiesVlogs 3 года назад

I studied film and in my opinion, the symbolism of the red on white could be a very over dramatic attempt to call to mind the colours of the tudor rose, on the other hand it could be a melodramatic plot contrivance.

@ReadingthePast 3 года назад

This is really interesting, thank you! I hadn’t made the possible Tudor rose connection 👍

@StoriesbyIrish 3 года назад

I thought it just made the red stand out more and thus the death that much more dramatic. Though maybe a mix of both since "Mary/Margaret" were Tudor.

@Loostyc 3 года назад

I'm sure they didn't mean it like that but drinking milk from infected cow was how many people caught one type of tuberculosis.

@christina1wilson 3 года назад

I remember I watched the first few episodes of the Tudors, but it was the episode that dealt with Mary/Margaret that I stopped. At the time I just found it confusing. Using the wrong sister's name, married to the wrong king...And if Margaret was Mary and there was no other sister, then tell me how Mary Queen of Scots was related to Elizabeth? ;p

@Dreymasmith 3 года назад

Really enjoyed your run down of Mary, but wow The Tudors is trash tv. I haven't watched it as all the stills made me feel like screaming (the hair, the make up, the poorly researched costumes, the casting), and now here's confirmation that a lot of the rest of it would make me scream too. Much prefer this version.

@mpg314 3 года назад

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@ReadingthePast 3 года назад

Thank you 😊

@kimberlyperrotis8962 3 года назад

Watching the Tudors series was painful, they messed with the history so much. I learned my English history from 50 years of reading history books, so I wasn’t confused, just disgusted.

@meeeka 3 года назад

Me too; I dont know which I found more distasteful: the fanciful lies told or the semi-pornographic way of the telling.

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn was magnificent though

@leonieromanes7265 3 года назад

The series would be entertaining if you didn't know much Tudor history. Natalie Dormer was fantastic.

@laurenturner3578 Год назад

The semi pornographic telling was really bothersome. I kept skipping scenes. And then messing with the story just made it annoying.

@ladyalustriel1431 3 года назад

I've had a love affair with European royal history for a few decades now that started with Henry VIII and his wives and spread outward from there. I am absolutely thrilled that I've found your videos. Thank you so much for the work you do producing them for us all to enjoy!

@tetchedistress 3 года назад

Her brother was a jerk. Again proven via history. Mary is one of my heroes. Thank you for another lovely video on a courageous woman of history.

@Laramaria2 3 года назад

Mary (Rose)* Tudor was such an interesting person and she's often overlooked! I'm happy she's finally getting to be on the spotlight! *I got used to call her "Mary Rose" (as we see sometimes in literature) so when I talk about her, she's not mistaken with her niece 😬 *

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

Yes such an interesting overlooked historical figure. Hard for her usually to get some spotlight as it's always being hogged by Henry and his Wives

@jayarnold595 3 года назад

Hello Lara....

@megan867 3 года назад

I would love to hear your thoughts on Margaret Tudor as well. I’ve been reading the novel Three Sisters Three Queens by Philipa Gregory and she’s the central character in the story and I know it’s historical fiction so liberties were taken but I found her a really compelling figure to look at. I guess I just wonder what’s really there for her rather than an author’s imagining. Love your videos so much thank you for this look into Mary!!

@DipityS 3 года назад

It's good to see at least one of the women surrounding Henry who got their own way 😀

@SyntaxError83 3 года назад

Dr Kat: Me:

@ReadingthePast 3 года назад

Dr Kat: well... now I’m gonna have to have ice cream for breakfast tomorrow 🤷🏻‍♀️🙌

@SyntaxError83 3 года назад

@@ReadingthePast It's 2021! #NormalizeRoyaltySlammingChocolateAndRainbowSprinklesAt9AMAndSpeakingMoreDothrakiThanFrench

@patriciagodfrey6345 3 года назад

I've been having rocky road ice cream for breakfast since High School. Protein from nuts and dairy - It's a great start to the day! ;-)

@gigiw.7650 3 года назад

@@patriciagodfrey6345 Don't forget the marshmallows 😹😻

@patriciagodfrey6345 3 года назад

@@gigiw.7650 I think those count as the "salad". ;-)

@laurashannon1177 3 года назад

Thank you, Dr Kat for another fantastic video. While enjoying the delicious 'soapy-ness' of the Tudors, I did realize that Margaret was an amalgamation of Henry's sisters Mary and Margaret Tudor. However, this video does a wonderful job of clearing up a very muddy mess created by The Tudor's dramatic license. It is interesting that without these two women, Mary Stewart (Mary Queen of Scots) and Lady Jane Grey would not exist.

@BethDiane 3 года назад

Clearly, The Tudors isn't all that concerned with historical accuracy. Otherwise they would have cast a tall blond man as Henry VIII. Handsome as Jonathan Rhys Myers is, he's short and dark.

@daniellekurtz9271 3 года назад

Dark, yes. However, Jonathan Rhys Meyers is only about 4 inches shorter than King Henry VIII

@BethDiane 3 года назад

@@daniellekurtz9271 Yes, but people were at least a little shorter then. To have the same impact Henry VIII would have had to his contemporaries, an actor playing him should be at least 6'4".

@BethDiane 3 года назад

@@daniellekurtz9271 Except that since everyone else is taller than they would have been then, to really recreate the physical impact that Henry VIII would have had, you'd need an actor who's at least 6'4".

@dragonclaws9367 3 года назад

They certainly took license with Henry's looks; to our benefit. 😏

@lululatsch Год назад

What has always frustrated me is that they kept the dozens of different Thomas's, but just couldn't live with a couple of Marys.

@dewrock2622 3 года назад

In the Spanish princess, the story is a little different . Mary refuses to marry the king of France and Catherine of Aragon helps Henry and her arrive to the agreement that she will be able to choose her next husband. But I do question the portrayal of Margaret Tudor in that TV series.

@migueltheauthor7074 3 года назад

I absolutely prefer her portrayal in TSP than in the Tudors. Very much more accurate considering the many changes in the Tudors

@scz1770 3 года назад

Lmaoooo spanish princess and anything by philippa gregory is barely based in fact 😂😂😂 go read a book by alison weir

@migueltheauthor7074 3 года назад

@@scz1770 TSP still has a lot of errors, but their portrayal of Mary is better *compared to that in The Tudors*. Of course, the books are better for learning history

@scz1770 3 года назад

@@migueltheauthor7074 actual historical texts are good for reading history. Philippa gregory is not good for learning actual history from period

@tanyas6643 3 года назад

I was definitely confused by the switching of Mary’s name and husband. Why do that? I saw no logical or even “fictionally interesting “ reason for it. Neither added anything special. I was also annoyed by the “liberties” they took with Brandon.

@jamiemohan2049 3 года назад

They should have put the two sisters in. Their stories should have added some interesting scenes. They missed an opportunity. Cause the show got a bit boring after Anne's death.

@judithp.1313 3 года назад

I’ve read that the Tudor series referred to Mary Tudor as Margret as to not confuse the viewing audience with another ‘Mary’ as was the name of Henry”s daughter. Please keep in mind that this was a series lent on entertainment not factual history. And for that it did dramatically and assumingely quite well. For example, when has there ever been a production of the Tudor’s where the character portraying Henry did not have red hair?!! (Jonathon Reyes Meijers ..be still my beating heart). I’m a Tudor fanatic (my family members leave the room at my near mention of the name “Tudor” ) and for years have indulged in everything Tudor. I’ve enjoyed watching every minute of this faux pas series. Thank you Dr. Kat for this wonderful, historically accurate and entertaining as well video!

@kalexander9392 3 года назад

This has always been a major problem for me about the TV series. I’ve ranted to friends and strangers about how it completely ruins the story of Tudor succession! Great video!

@Raven_Nivhaar 3 года назад

Yes! I also love how they erased Mary, Queen of Scots entirely 😒 That was one of my major issues with the show, they erased one of the most important historical figures of the time period by combining Henry's sisters, in addition to the numerous other changes made for the sake of "drama"

@CaptainPikeachu 2 года назад

@@Raven_Nivhaar the thing is, they didn’t erase Mary Queen of Scots, she is literally named by Henry in the last season of the show, mentioning how James died and his child is a girl

@megwyn1611 3 года назад

I know it's probably out of your focus area, but I would love a how Queen Victoria is still related to everyone in European monarchy in the 21st century.

@yelena86 3 года назад

I love your videos very much. You provide a nice history lesson that’s easy to take in and I appreciate it. I like your take on things and you make it super easy to listen to. I love history but have always found it hard with other teachers. You make things interesting so I’m loving it. I will be binging your videos for a while to come. Your channel is also very underrated. I hope you gain many more thousands of views and subs. Sending my love and blessings to you and your loved ones. Stay safe everyone! 👍✌️🙏❤️ Love from Australia 💕

@k.stacey7389 3 года назад

I have to admit, when I was watching the Tudors and the well aged, deeply tanned “Margaret” proclaimed “I’M the queen of Portugal!” It was just too much, I damn near spit my drink out.

@purpleflight9083 3 года назад

Would be interesting if you could cover Edward IV 's children with Elizabeth Wydeville , my favourite period 1300 to Tudor reign. 😊

@amyrat151 3 года назад

Edward IV is a Plantagenet king, not a Tudor one.

@purpleflight9083 3 года назад

@@amyrat151 . Yes I'm aware Edward is Plantaganet . I said my favourite period was 1300's to the Tudors , not saying Edward was Tudor , Mary is Elizabeth of York's daughter and in turn Elizabeth of York is Edward's daughter .

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

Or even a video about Edward IV and Elizabeth W themselves would be fantastic. Yes the period from the 1300's to the Tudor era is endlessly fascinating 👍

@chelseaoliver5404 3 года назад

That poor family didn't have much luck Edward v was king for a short period and his brother were said to have been locked in the tower of London and later killed (there is huge speculation about who it was that actually killed them, their uncle now King Richard the 3rd is the most believed but there are also those who believed that it was Margaret Beaufort), there was also a yorkist uprising against Henry 7th which was believed to have been led by Richard as he survived the tower it it not known wether it was actually Richard or a pretender though Elizabeth was betrothed three times (once to a Neville, her paternal grandmother's family, once to the Dauphin of France and then to Henry 7th after the battle of bosworth, becoming the mother of the Tudor dynasty and who's descendants can still be traced to the English Throne to this day, Cecily was married off a few times so was Catherine and Arthur (he was Edward 4th illegitimate son) was a prominent figure in Henry 8ths Court

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

@@chelseaoliver5404 Yes the mystery of the Princes in the Tower is well known. We'll probably never know what truly happened. Margaret Beaufort wasn't the culprit though, she is only falsely portrayed as so in Philippa Gregory's Fiction book.

@AliceOfSherwood 3 года назад

Have you seen the Disney movie "The Sword & the Rose"? It's a pretty old film starring the mother from Mary Poppins as Mary Tudor. And it's such a charming swashbuckling film.

@adunreathcooper 3 года назад

Well, I never watched The Tudors. I saw some shorts for it and decided it was probably worse than a Phillipa Gregory series, so I gave it a miss.

@NCKrypotonite33 3 года назад

You should definitely give it a try. It's great tv regardless of it's historical inaccuracies.

@adunreathcooper 3 года назад

@@NCKrypotonite33 hmmmm can I trust you? 🤣

@NCKrypotonite33 3 года назад

@@adunreathcooper Absolutely lol. This show is what got me interested in the Tudors. So much that I started doing my own research and found some very interesting things. Which also led me to go to England and follow in their footsteps. It's a good show!

@adunreathcooper 3 года назад

@@NCKrypotonite33 Interesting... The problem I have with these shows is that often I already know the subject matter, and then get annoyed at the inaccuracies. I understand poetic license, so I will give it a crack. To be honest, I quite enjoyed The White Queen, The White Princess, and The Spanish Princess, all by Philippa Gregory... once I stopped yelling at the screen lol. Tudors are about the limit of my preferred era, I 'm more interested in 11th to 15th centuries, Edward I, II, III, John of Gaunt, Henrys, Eleanor, etc.. I was in London in 2017, but missed visiting one of the places I'd most wanted to see... The Temple Church, William Marshal, because it was closed due to Easter weekend. I had planned the trip for over a year, and didn't realise until I arrived that it was a public holiday weekend lol, and it was closed.

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

@@NCKrypotonite33 Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn on The Tudors was magnificent. One of the best portrayals ever

@charlottereitberger6253 3 года назад

Seriously I cannot watch these Netflix shows that are historically INCORRECT and I am American . Drives me crazy. Why couldn’t they at least get their characters straight. I enjoy your channel immensely , thank you for your work.

@amandakay0429 3 года назад

Was actually a Showtime show. And I read somewhere a long time ago that they actually combined the sisters, Margaret and Mary, into one character.

@dashrocks100 3 года назад

I know you probably get requests for different subject matter all the time but I was wondering if you would consider discussing the life of Katherine Willoughby. I find what I learned of her extremely intriguing.

@KimiW1 3 года назад

I love you Dr Kat and your videos. But have we all become american without being told? Apart from the americanised ad, there are 6 other ad breaks. RU-vid is out of control with this.

@actual_angie Год назад

I originally got into Tudor history by English author Phillipa Gregory's debut Tudor novel The Other Boleyn Girl and completely falling in love with Anne Boleyn's complicated relationship dynamic with her older sister Mary (who I'm also mad history overlooks). Finishing that book I devoured all four seasons of Showtimes the Tudors: The Six Wives of Henry VIII in a weekend and was ENRAGED when I realized they passed over Mary by combing the two sisters personalities. Mary Tudor has so much to offer history and I'm angry she keeps getting sidelined as nothing more than a ditsy fool who fell in love with the wrong man.

@clonejones7955 3 года назад

Loved the Tudors series and watched it without clutching my pearls in horror despite its historical inaccuracy.Sometimes I just want some bawdy entertainment.

@livinggodsword5842 3 года назад

I think it is so good that she at least got to marry the person she seemed to love. I love your channel!

@elizabethraitanen5057 3 года назад

Thank you Dr. Kat for another informative and engaging video. Mary seems to have had few choices in her life. As the king’s sister, she was a pawn in his diplomatic endeavours. She did eventually marry the man of her choice and expressed her displeasure at the marriage of Henry to Anne Boleyn. Perhaps she was courageous. Perhaps she was foolish.

@judyvennercanney4634 3 года назад

Perhaps a bit of both. I have always liked Princess Mary Rose Tudor. She MAY BE my x13 GGM.

@claireconolly8355 3 года назад

One could say she was quite a feminist for the time. She also seemed to be able to speak her mind throughout her life.

@winfredstacy5843 3 года назад

Although I enjoyed The Tudors as "soap opera" enjoyable television. I frequently yelled at the screen for historical facts being altered. Just as an aside, I was born in Bromley, KY and raised in Ludlow, KY. I like to think the connection significant.

@cynthiaejiogu8442 3 года назад

I did too! Especially when was watching Mary. I could stomach the name thing but changing the country where she was queen was too much!

@roxiepoe9586 3 года назад

This is not actually related to this video. But, I had an idea and I don't know anyone in history/science in real life. Genesis: I do decorative stitching. Sometimes my finger is pricked and there is a little tiny bit of blood. It is very difficult to clean this off of the object, so, I stitch over the stain. This led me to wonder if there might be tiny little DNA samples all over the stitched objects - like the Bayeux Tapestry? Could these be used to know more about the people who made all the things????

@brontesegard8305 3 года назад

That is a ROCKSTAR connection you made!!! You should start contacting churches and museums that have tapestries & clothing, etc.!!!

@TippyPuddles 2 года назад

Use your saliva to dissolve the blood. Most today would find this repulsive, but that's how it goes.

@fleetskipper1810 Год назад

I am sure you are 100% right. It would make sense that’s in famous tapestries that I survived, there is a bit of dried blood.

@pooshkahnla6074 3 года назад

I remember reading the Hilda Lewis novel about her in the early 80s...(how scary - 40 years ago!!) the novel made her look an interesting character...

@annalisette5897 3 года назад

I have only seen clips of "The Tudors" and am glad I never saw the whole thing. IMO the most redeeming aspect of the show is a devilishly handsome young Henry VIII. That said, I would so much rather listen to a talk by you, Dr. Kat, or by Claire Ridgway. I hope it is not wrong to name another channel here but I deeply respect both of you. Real history is so much better than sensationalized fictional stories that leave the reader or watcher wondering why certain things happened. You can delve into real history and learn from the best. Thank you for everything, Dr. Kat!

@Hobbitmetalgirl 3 года назад

Keeping on with this history vs. fiction thing, I would love to see a video comparing the characterization of Thomas Cromwell in Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall with what historians have to say about him! I read the book, and I can see that it is maybe meant to portray a hyper subjective picture of Cromwell, perhaps how the man saw himself, but still it struck me as quite ahistorical. But I'm not an expert, I just have a BA in history, I'd love to know what the experts think!

@gloriamontgomery6900 2 года назад

Great idea!

@hellerjerry 3 года назад

like the way you are bringing all these lives together to form the big picture.........also as side note I have been using "Native" for over a year and would also recommend them to others

@native_cos 3 года назад

🤗🤗🤗

@cathryncampbell8555 3 года назад

Thank you for your video on Mary Tudor, Dr. Kat. Mary is one of my favourite Tudors, as she knew how to appease her brother Henry VIII after her marriage to Charles Brandon. She stole the French Crown jewel known as the Mirror of Naples & gave it to Henry, along with her absolute, groveling submission. Loot & apologies worked for Henry, as did the fact that Charles Brandon was Henry's favourite fellow athlete/jock.

@Shane-Flanagan 3 года назад

Now that Dr Kat has done a video on Mary Rose Tudor, Queen of France, she will hopefully do a video on Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scots. It would only be fair to do so. 👍💕

@beth7935 3 года назад

YES! Margaret was awesome, & so was James IV!

@ardiffley-zipkin9539 Год назад

Well done. I watched the Tudors as entertainment but realized that screen writers use “dramatic license.” That is often misguided since History, i.e. truth, is more intriguing than melodrama. Love your work !

@Sophiemck 3 года назад

The Tudors are and will always be my monarch obsession since school! I'm currently using the Sandalwood and Fig and can confirm it smells beautiful 😍

@johnbuick5494 3 года назад

Thanks Dr. Kat, I was waiting for this video!!! :) Greetings from Turkey.

@jfs59nj 3 года назад

“The Tudors” made me crazy, no more than with the Mary-Margaret, Queen of Portugal (Portugal? Really?) mashup. Mashup is being kind. Are there any reliable biographies of this Mary Tudor?

@LindaHarward 3 года назад

“The Reluctant Queen” by M Haycroft. It’s a romance novel about Mary and Chas. Brandon. I read it in high school and recently bought a copy on Amazon. I enjoyed it obviously.

@LindaHarward 3 года назад

60’s

@mpowers6653 Год назад

There are 2 Mary Tudors, one was sister and other was his daughter by His first wife ( Catherine of Aragon)

@JudgeJulieLit 3 года назад

The Tudors drama miniseries, by revisionistically conflating Henry VIII's sisters Margaret and Mary and by fabricating an unhistoric wedding of Margaret to the king of Portugal, not Scotland, wreaked havoc on uninitiated audiences' impressions of Tudor royal history, and made unintelligible all ensuant dynastic and European sociopolitical issues.

@salomealhusami594 3 года назад

I would very much like to watch a video made by you on Margaret Tudor because I watched The Spanish Princess recently and from the few mentions you make of Margaret in the video of her daughter Lady Douglas, the series clearly misrepresented her. Thank you very much!

@beth7935 3 года назад

Yes, Margaret was awesome! Seconded!

@stephensinclair3771 3 года назад

What about the other sister? The one who became the king of Scots wife? After all it's her kids dependant who's on the throne now......

@JustAshley9685 2 года назад

I may be different from others, but I find the truth of everything in actual history more intriguing than the show of "The Tudors"

@tintinhickey5869 3 года назад

How confusing are these modern historical distortions especially for those of us who have a good knowledge of British history ....

@KtO680 3 года назад

I'm gonna go with there really is no visual narrative with the blood & milk, only visual practicality with color contrast and fluid dynamics. Stage Blood, including the type one must hold in the mouth for coughing/spatter purposes, is often hard to see without intense flood lighting, particularly on a dark slate floor and everything has to be lit twice as bright for film anyway. You can even tell the lighting differences between shots of her entering a mostly fireplace lit room with one open window and way too bright moonlight coming through, then overwhelmingly down lit from a different angle and source after she collapses. It is visually and contextually beautiful though, I'll give the designers that. We are clearly meant to be focusing on her terrified death stare above all else. If I had to do the cinematography in this scene, I'd also probably look for and all around practical color contrast to make the blood pop so I didnt screw up the lighting designer's very dramatic effect just to make blood show up on camera against a dark floor or force the performer to hold/take more than she should or could. Do trust, when it comes to performing scenes like that, you want as few takes as possible. That shit is sticky for days if it gets too much air time. Some fake blood can also be mixed with 1% milk in the mouth to resemble bile, which TB did produce. All production teams always start with historical accuracy then they make adjustments, especially with film. They could have done a few takes with that and then saw that only the milk was reading to the camera on the floor but her face & gown are soaked in bright red; very confusing to the mind when you only have a few seconds to register the whole visual along with the context of the storyline. Add the popular lack of general knowledge about consumption/TB to a populace and now you may have to stretch a bit more - more blood, thicker, thinner, whatever- to make it clear in less than 1 second that she ain't comin back from this. I know most have issues with this series, particularly the Mary/Margaret combo, but I honestly don't have issue with the narrative devices of combining historical figures into one for a story. Knowing that the Arts are about interpretation not accuracy- adaption not translation -only makes me want to do the digging to learn about the real history even more because now I can truly appreciate the work that goes into the production as a whole. It's not easy making those choices. It's well known people have a hard time holding multiple characters and plotlines beyond 6-7 and, lets be fair, anyone turning to a late night Showtime drama in 2004 for a history lesson is probably gonna get Margaret & Mary confused/entangled anyway (unless, of course, one did nudity and the other didn't...it's Showtime in the early 2000s after all...you know why you're there and it's for their trademark erotica dramas...nothing wrong with that), especially confusing since another Princess Mary of long term relevance is already center stage. And let's also face the fact that that little girl is too precious for words so that's the Mary which will stick with the audience no matter how well or accurate it's written or performed. It's, honestly, one of the many moments in that show (which I do adore btw) that just scream what it meant to be a performer in the early 2000s for a company like Showtime. Could have been worse though. Coulda been Cinemax.

@beth7935 3 года назад

That technical stuff about how to make blood show up onscreen is fascinating, thanks for explaining! I get a bit critical if it's unrealistic, cos I've got a tiny bit of medical knowledge & experience, lol, but now I'm even more impressed in retrospect by the excellent gore I've seen! (Historical & medical; not into horror)

@michaellewis6510 Год назад

I am so pleased that you pointed out the inaccuracies within the Tudor series. Mary's real life was very interesting, why rewrite history? I consider it to be very wrong to accuse her of murdering her 1st husband.

@jrojala 3 года назад

A historically accurate, dramatized Tudors show would be great- and Dr. Kat and people like her should be consultants for the writers- like up the drama and interest when possible, but keep it real.

@misskitty2710 2 года назад

The tv series “The Tudors” made me practically weep with rage. All the factual errors and short-cuts, not to mention the boob jobs and collagen lip pouts, were too much to bear. Thank you for this look at Henry’s favourite sister.

@aegonthedragon7303 2 года назад

Oh if you really want to wwep and suffer, watch Reign. Actually don’t, its.. bad.

@IsaacWhittakerDakin Год назад

I love 'The Tudors' and its take on Henry VIII and his court. Yes it deviates from history a lot but I'd argue that's mainly in Season 1 and Seasons 2-4 are a lot more focused and stick closer to history. The Margaret Tudor storyline is just dumb, heck after she dies Margaret is never mentioned again and even in the finale Brandon says "I remember your Majesty's sister so well" He doesn't even refer to her by name! Mary was changed to Margaret as they didn't want to confuse her with Henry's daughter, but we can have 50 characters called Thomas am I right? Furthermore, in later seasons, Henry refers to the King of Scotland James V as his nephew, it's almost as if the series was retconning its own retcon of history! 🤣

@jallenecs 3 года назад

I never could get past the first five minutes of that show. The costumes were SO FREAKING WRONG! Sleeveless gowns for the women? In public? Really? If they can't get such a small thing right, how the heck are they gonna get the big stuff right?

@beauyerks7413 Год назад

The hapsburg jaw looks,like,it was already in full affect in Charles photo

@janetkizer5956 2 года назад

I hate The Tudors for how it messed with history. The story of those times had enough drama without inventing it. But also, I hate how they created sympathy for Henry rather than telling the truth. They messed with the difference in ages between him and his wives, by making Katherine of Aragon older than she was and Henry younger, which made her look a bit like a cougar, when it was Henry who was marrying someone much younger when he married Anne Boleyn and especially Katherine Howard. That was so unfair.

@anngray9171 Год назад

Margaret? You don't know Margaret from Mary Rose? Portugal????!!!! Please spare us Hollywood style rubbish

@YT4Me57 3 года назад

This Mary Tudor had a relatively long and successful life. She had a short state marriage and then a marriage for love that produced children. She wasn't locked up in the Tower of London, nor was she beheaded. I say that she was a "winner"!

@maryloumawson6006 Год назад

I think it's fascinating that Henry's will specifies the lineage of Mary rather than Margaret. You'd think after his long quest for a male heir, and his misgivings about a woman's ability to hold the throne, he would have specified closest MALE of either lineage. It really does cast doubt on that document in my mind.

@ewakosinska9864 3 года назад

In true history, the first husband of Mary ( Rose) Tudor was old king Luis of France, not king of Portugal 👑😊, poor Mary.... like a lot princesses....

@ashleighslibrary5488 3 года назад

I was always confused why they cast a nearly Forty year old woman to play an 18 year old. Not the actresses fault

@loralouise3865 2 года назад

I have been watching your videos for awhile now and I feel like it’s time to leave a comment. You have a way of making me feel like you are speaking to me, personally. Your phrase of “you’re welcome “, is one greeting I have not heard anywhere else. I find it a very warm greeting and I find it very touching. Your videos are not only entertaining but very informative and interesting. I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge with us and the way you present it. I am near 60 and have been interested in the Tudors and other royal families since I was in middle school. Thankfully, I have many videos, books and other information about the Tudor history that I have enjoyed immensely. I enjoy how you present your material very much and I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge and understanding of this most interesting subject!

@LusiaEyre Год назад

The idea that viewers wouldn't be able to follow a story with multiple characters named the same is insulting. Firstly, those were real people whose stories we can already follow in a history class. Secondly, people will show as much smarts as is required of them, House of the Dragon, for example, half the names starts with Rhae* and other half rhymes 😂