+Jman92854 To be fair, they also dropped the ball on the ending... and then kicked it off a cliff... and then called it art... But seriously, that is pretty funny. Maybe someone should mod the subtitles so it says Not-Legion or something.
So ...Legion didn't share his memories with the other platforms; he kept a part of himself...hidden from them; his motivations, his "consensus", even his reason for waiting 2 years to use N7 armor to repair himself. He was more organic than he knew. :'( When he sacrificed himself, "There was a hole" in my chest too.
+M. McDade-Allen Well, Legion was constructed with the purpose of being a "stand-alone" unit that could operate outside of the consensus, so it would make sense that in his time away from the Geth he would have changed. In fact, during his ME2 loyalty mission there's a conversation about this, where Legion finds out the Heretics were spying on the rest of the Geth, and he gets depressed that they could no longer get along, and Shepard explains that separation can cause people to change.
I know it has been 2 years, but Legion explains this himself. Unlike other geth, his platform can hold over 1000+ programs at once and it has its own consensus. He was an advanced model and he didnt even need to connect to the Geth Network, his own consensus was enough for him to operate alone. Like you said, he kept a part of himself.
Legion and his sacrifice to save the Geth is literally my number one reason for picking the Control option. Both organic and synthetic lifeforms have their own cultures, personalities. Destroying that all... Does not compute as an acceptable sacrifice. My second reason is EDI and Joker. Seeing the Normandy land and the couple walk out on an untouched planet, their happiness... Is why I cannot hate the coloured endings like most of the Mass Effect fans do.
1:25 is beautiful. It shows that the real Legion really did respect/trusted you with making a decision over the fate of his people. Legion is such a bro and that is why I miss him.
Legion trust in us. The Legion history is so much interesting. Because is a evolution from a solid machine, next to trust in a organic Commander and work with organics, to really be a live guy. In this "death Legion" version, he is so machine... A dead machine. Because it's only a geth simulate Legion memory for cooperate with organic to stop the Geths and Quarians war, and nothing more.
She didn't understand it herself but was expecting Shepard and the Geth to do.... That's some big hypocrisy there.... There is a reason why I didn't like the quarians. Killed them with passion
He doesn't. But his response is less "I KNEW YOU COULD NOT BE TRUSTED" and more "I WON'T LET YOU" In Legion's eyes, what you do is not acceptable. But it is understandable.
@@HalfTangible like with Mordin if you choose to reveal the sabotage at the shroud and the deal with the dalatrass: he understands WHY Shepard did that, but he couldn't agree with it.
It's a shame Legion was cut much later in ME2. Legion was suppose to be recruitable earlier (as evident by several RU-vid videos showing PC Legion present in earlier missions with unique dialogue recorded) but they push Legion back to a story related mission. Lame.
Jon Goli He has dialogue for the collector ship,so it's kinda possible that originally all story quests were available to the player ala ME1. Since Legion has dialogue recorded for nearly all the recruitment missions (Garrus',Thane's,Tali's,Grunt's,Mordin's,ect) he was probably one of the first companions to be acquired. that explains the fact that he has a lot of dialogue sessions more than many other squadmates I'm sure that everything changed when Drew Karpyshyn left ME2's direction
i admired him for the ideals that explained to me in ME2,they wanted to forge their own future. Since i don't believe ME3 because ME3 is simply retarded,shame that Chris L'Etoile left after ME2
+Jon Goli 3 months late to the party, i played on console but it didn't take away the fact that legion became one of my favorite crew members through out the series. he packed a huge punch regardless.
in a similar way to how the romance system works, the fleets need to like you enough to convince them. In other words, go do more boring side mission shit before you do the main missions. It worked the same way in ME2 when trying to save all crew members, needed a lot of the side shit done.
You can't save both in ME3. Legion dies regardless - if you choose the quarians, Legion is killed by Tali or Shepard as is depicted in the video. If the geth were chosen or peace was made, Legion dies to give the geth intelligence, as is also depicted in the video. Tali dies as well if the geth were chosen - she throws herself off the nearby cliff.
Legion does die, but with the nature of the Geth, it's not hard to imagine that the Reaper Code he uploaded has a bit of Legion's "consensus" in it. Thus, in whatever small way, all Geth after this choice are partly Legion.
That’s about right, but Legion didn’t upload all that time he spend with Shepard to the Consensus, so this backup version only ‘remembers’ Eden Prime and nothing more, and all those evens that shaped Legion into what he’s become aren’t there.
@George Gombas he dies yes, but he dies saving and uplifting his entire race whilst allowing for peace with his creators. Bittersweet but still better than all the alternatives
I had to restart the suicide mission after I lost Legion to seeker swarms. He's without a shadow of a doubt the most interesting character in the entire series
I kinda believe with how they shape the armor to the curvature of the female it. Adds some amount of bullet deflection based on how durable, tough and reliable the metals in the armor are. Kinda like a tank, tank's turn themselves in a certain angle in combat to make the most use of their armor
The VI blames Shepard for allowing his race to die because he's organic. Legion refuses to let the Geth die, but he doesn't blame you for it. It's the difference between "I was wrong to trust you" and "I will NOT allow this to happen"
Legion is like the terminator it was programed to be merciless assassin and learn off organics but like the terminator it began to learn how to feel emotion but Legion hides it because it believes in logic like the Vulcans do.
He wasn't built to kill. He was built to learn about the organics, so he was programed to "think" like the organics, but he doesn't feel emotions. What he does is determinated by logic. At least that's how I think he worked.
Adrian Matuszewski That was he originally was, but Legion did gain human emotion. For an example, asking why Legion used Shepard's armor will have him evade the question, even though there was little to no harm to simply answer Shepard. I'm not even sure how he gained emotion really, but he did.
"We are Not Legion" Legion: This platform can conform that this other platform IS Legion. Geth VI: Impossible, Records were wiped. Legion: Incorrect, Records were salvaged from the collector base. Geth VI: Why would we trust an organic? Tali: ...The two are arguing. Shepard: Enough, BOTH of you!
Oh hell yea, i got pissed every time they acted all high and mighty, and the renage option to dec the admiral and throw him off the ship was the best XD
I think it was because of his mission. Do take note: they are programs lumped together, and their data might be shared, but another thing is that Legion was reporting back mission-related data - data that was important to their mission, and not his entire backup himself. If he survives, the time he spent with the Normandy changed him enough that any personality data that he has might as well never been archived - indicative of his forming personality. That is one.
you do know there was a Third option right? if you have enough Paragon or Renegade you can force them to stop there attack and then the Geth and Quarians both join your fleet.. and its not even that hard to do.. I did it first try..
To get the third option, beside having enough reputation, you need to play ME2 and get Tali not to be exiled since it is assumed that Tali is exiled if you just play ME3
yes and as we heard in these two play throughs of the final mission she states "This is Admiral Zorah" so we know they not only played Mass Effect 2 but they kept her from getting Exiled.. and its not a big leap to assume that they could still pull it out by playing again and getting better rep before doing this mission and just spicing that bit of footage in..
that only works if both Tali and Legion aer alive though in the active playthrough and you succeed in saving Admiral Koris and as YJK said there are certain things that need to happen un ME2 as well
Dang it! I guess I didn't have enough Paragon to save the Geth & Quarians then. I saved Legion from ME2, got the Flotilla not to banish Tali Zora, and the Legion still died. Next time I play through, I'll get my paragon all the way up.
My soul suffers everytime I hear "We are not Legion", I almost shed some tears in the part, I just can't imagine that my favorite character in ME could be dead.
This video makes me frustratingly curious what would happen in these scenes if you *NEVER* activated Legion - or sold it to Cerberus. Shepard couldn't remember Legion if s/he never met it. And I can't find any videos of how that scenario goes...
It would have to be. Legion is an optional squadmate in #2, and it is very possible to never activate him - immediately after the mission where he is recovered, you are given the choice to either keep him to reactivate, or sell the geth platform to Cerberus. If you sell him to Cerberus, Legion will never join your squad, as Cerberus proceeds to take him apart to learn more about the Geth, as noted in Shadow Broker files if you do that DLC. So, Shepard will have never met Legion, and thus wouldn't have any memories of it to pester the geth VI with.
Well, I do know that if you sell Legion to Cerberus, you eventually face it as an enemy at Cerberus HQ in ME3. Other than that, I assume the game just replaces it with the Geth VI, regardless of whether you ever spoke to it or not.
I recently did a Renegade run of the game where I sold Legion to Ceberus. Aside from the possibility of mentioning that you remember its past as Legion, it just as it is here.
God it’s heartbreaking seeing this. Just makes the ending of 2 that much more satisfying when you make all the right choices and get everyone out alive
I don't understand, couldn't the geth VI just go hide in a corner and upload the code without asking Shepard? I think requesting permission to save his entire species is a bit hard to believe
Man, this is the version of Legion I got during my first playthrough of ME3. It messed with my head so damn much. Eventually this made my decision to destroy the Geth much easier since I didn't trust the crap out of this hologram. Also I still remembered all the sh*t the Geth put me through during ME1.
RXdash78 Uhm. i did. thats why i saved him. that and the fact i find humans evil sods, and seen as all the aliens in mass effect are to human for my liking i largely like the geth over any organic OH apart from the turins and krogan.
I always wonder who created this Legion replacement, why and how. Was it the geth? Why? It would be easier to construct another prototype platform, download 1000 or so geth into it and send it out again. Also no point in holographically projecting the damage and N7 armor onto the platform. Was it Cerberus based on what EDI had from him and his disabled platform recovered from the Collector base? If so how did they get the platform out in the worse playthroughs where you had noone spare to collect the platform and/or blew up the base? Even then, the platform should be legitimately in a damaged state and not need to make a projection of it. Who else could it have been? It just doesnt add up.
What a poor choices. Legion can be saved till ME3 when he will sacrifice him self for gets. Then with enough persuade skills you can save both fleets. So double win. Anything else is not acceptable for me. Full paragon.
Ugh...fighting the Rannoch Reaper; that is easily one of the most annoying parts of the game. I even found Earth easier to complete than Rannoch, and you're up against countless Brutes, Banshees, Husks, and so many other enemies. I hate the former three since they're all capable of insta-kill. I HATE those kinds of enemies.
Red Sniper Not really - I had a harder time doing Feros in ME1 (though I did it before Noveria which maybe I should've done first??) than I did playing Rannoch in ME3. And I said as much
they did think of everything this dollar and this dollar I actually like the way they made sure none of you choices matter oh and how only the start and explosion of the "endings" change and how the extended cut only added insult to injury
There might be a way to still get the geth and quarians working together IF you got the civilian admiral. there are VERY specific things you need to do to get the truch and i dont think this guy did them right. can someone else try it and see if it works and edit the wikia if it is not already? i could never bring myself to hurt legion.
Its been a long while since i played the original trilogy, can someone explain to me how this version of Legion comes about? All i remember is that he truly 'dies' in ME3 when he offers to upload himself to the Geth nodes to help the Quarians as they were originally intended...i never knew there was any other versions of him. I always upgraded the Normandy in both games.
In mass effect 2 you get the option to give legion to cerberus and I know that he appears as another enemy variant once in the cerberus base near the end of ME 3 But what I'm desperate to know is how does it affect his presence in the Rannoch war, which evidently was so important not even death could stop him from appearing in some form
