Massive 500x500 Territory War - Marble Race 

Love the idea, but this particular battle, for me, has problems. In other battles, the offense works as defense as well. Here the marbles can go "in the wrong" direction and be "stuck" there for way too long. Combined with the blocky design that forces drill-like attack patterns, the defense of a player feels inconsistent. Also, the marbles got stuck. Maybe don't block, but instead teleport the marbles around? Great job otherwise!

Yes, one thing though, add a teleportation square that sends marbles to the nearest non sector area inside sectors that encompass most of it to prevent from marbles getting stuck like that blue marble

@@scourge213 I'd have to agree, maybe make marbles only able to gain X territory and then have a 1 second cool down and maybe instead of impassable sectors make marbles gain velocity in them, and to prevent super speed marbles, make them slow down to normal speeds in non-sector areas

@@objectsupr9970 bouncing off of this idea I think that when a square is formed it should check for marbles that might have gotten stuck and then teleport them to the home square where they won’t collide with any of the squares until they are in an open area

@@lokihogan6216 Yeah that sounds go- wait a second Did you really have to say bouncing off of this idea?

Thanks! In the next version, I've changed to circular sectors and made a few other balance things. This evens out the spread of balls a bit better instead of having them "drill" in a single direction. Antistuck is now also working better. I've seen several viewers suggest teleports, I will maybe try that in a later version.

Instead of having a "home" sector, make it so that a color is eliminated if it has 0 sectors, excepting at the start of the game.

@@tristanmitchell1242 If you did that you would also need to lose balls as sectors are lost otherwise you would get down to a few sectors and the balls would be too tight a defense to defeat.

@@tristanmitchell1242 The problem with that is that it would never be able to happen once you have more than a few balls. The smaller your territory becomes, the more likely it becomes for a marble to hit and convert other territory. So this would only work in conjunction with another mechanic that removes marbles.

@@lostmarbles2d You already have the thresholds. Just have it so you get a marble when you pass the threshold, and lose the marble when you get below said threshold.

Yo I am team green, always.

Thanks! Blue is too cool for war :P

@@lostmarbles2d true fix that bug dough and add deferent structures :p

not to be picky but to be picky, it's "I beg you" not "I dare you" sorry

@@nieshmiesh i wasn't good with english back then, but thanks for correcting me :)

Thanks for the great feedback! For the new video, I'm trying circular sectors, which seems t have resolved many of these issues. However I do want to maintain some level of "one ball being able to kill a player" as that randomness provides comeback potential when one player is far behind. The balance just needs to be fine-tuned quite a bit, I agree in the current version it swings too far on one side, with the additional territory being more of a disadvantage. Originally I was aiming for a 1000x1000 grid (because number go big), but I agree that even 500x500 is a bit too big. For this format I think I'll try something a bit smaller first to see if we can find a sweet spot. I think the only way I can feasibly do a 1000x1000 grid is if I can figure out how to use compute shaders so that the graphics card can do the work instead of the CPU!

Thanks for the feedback! I will use them where I can :)

Please send it post-haste :)

You have no idea how much time I spent trying to fix those issues, and it ends up happening every time I record :(

@@lostmarbles2d oof sorry about that

Thanks!

Thanks for the suggestion! I will try that in a future video.

That's a bug - thanks for catching it!

There is an anti stuck mechanic, however blue's ball managed to somehow oscillate in a gap where it shouldn't have been able to, so it didn't match the anti stuck condition. In the next video I have improved the anti stuck detection, and there aren't any issues as far as I can see. Thanks for the feedback!

@@lostmarbles2d cool can't wait to see the next one

Thanks! More definitely to come :)

Thank you! That's the idea - I intend to make videos of multiple game modes and to create new variants. I've just been focusing on Multiply or Release up until now because of its popularity and relative ease of making adjustments. You would not believe how much time I've spent trying various methods of preventing stuck marbles. The antistuck in this current video only really had that one slip up with the blue marble - and that was just because it somehow managed to oscillate in place even though it was completely stuck. Not sure how that works. I've been testing another method at the moment, hopefully it would work well. I did try point number 1 early on, the issue I had with that is that marbles would tend to venture too far away from the home base and leave it undefended. So I changed to spawning always on the home base to provide that defense.

@@lostmarbles2d besides the blue marble issue, there is a green marble stuck at 8:38 on it's home base. that's mostly why i suggested point 2 and 3, but i can see why marbles defending the base is important. i'm glad you are trying out new gamemodes and different ways of making them. do you have any plans on returning to the "push the block" game mode? i thought that one was pretty cool, since it had no music and only sound effects. also, the stats at the end of it were a very unique addition

@@lukaskai1234 I didn't mention the green one because it did eventually get unstuck correctly :P I do plan to return to the "push the block" series, however probably removing the sound effects and rather using music. Originally when I started this channel, my intention was to only use sound effects. But my channel only started growing when I decided to follow the popular formats (multiply or release with music), so that is what I am currently focusing on mainly, to keep the channel growing. Originally I also had lots of ideas of stats at the end of the game (I do reporting in my full time job so I find it quite enjoyable), but it was taking a lot of time and most people don't seem to care. But I'm glad you mentioned it, I might revisit having more stats again. It's just tough to balance time spent on things like that versus spending it on creating new game modes. I"m aiming to do another push the block early next month, maybe week 1 or 2 of January.

As I understand it, game theory has to do with decision making between two or more rational actors / players. These videos are just about random actions, so not really any space for rational decision making.

​@@lostmarbles2d That makes a lot of sense! I have some ideas about what else you could include for the statistics and some ideas on further analysis if you're interested. I am new to this whole 'marble race' thing but I'm not seeing other channels do much analysis either even though it seems like there's a lot of mathematical potential. It just kinda piqued my interest.

@@180Ranmafan I'm definitely interested in that! I'm also relatively new to it myself. I discovered this genre over a month ago, and I think you describe it best: it's bizarrely fascinating. What sort of analysis did you have in mind?

@@180Ranmafan I've been pondering this a bit more and remembered a channel called "Primer", which has some videos covering aspects of game theory, and all of the videos are simulations. So perhaps it would be possible for me to implement something like that!

@@lostmarbles2d Primer is a great example! Observing behavior to create hypothesis and seeing how it shakes out after many generations. His work tends to showcase natural selection and evolution--I think yours could do that with some changes, but I do think it would make your job pretty complicated. Ok, so, analysis. I was just making a few observations about the nature of this territory wars game. Certain properties gave significant advantages such as 1:20, Blue has an expansion-focused pointy setup in comparison to more round neighbors. By 2:30 we see why--Triangles cause extra "hits" near the tip, which favor expansion, and also as the ball bounces back at shallow angles through the triangle, it widens, increasing the chance of securing a sector, which, because it creates a new base of the triangle, it tightens the territory and further expands the triangle. I think that some of the effect comes from the same place as "Buffon's needle problem" which shows that you can estimate pi based on the ratio of randomly rotated needles which happen to intersect with a line. In your case, intersections are collisions which cause the territory expansion. This, because of the "random" bouncing(read: random rotating trajectory) should have some relationship with Pi which is cool. So those triangular sections help, but does anything detract? Well, round territory offers the most average expansion and defense. But appears to have the slowest Territory growth. We can sort of compare this to economics? The GDP of a particular color is a function of how efficiently its balls can bounce. Sectors, usually add to this efficiency by locking territory, but there is significant danger. 4:30 Blue locks two of his own balls. His producers can no longer make territory and it drastically drops his efficiency. There's plenty more observations to be made and conjectures to be solved but since this is basically an idle video it makes it nice to ponder. So additional statistics might be able to passively showcase that like: Avg. Efficiency-- production(of territory) per ball per second. This will track the economy of each color. Efficiency--on a per-ball basis, it would be nice to know which balls in which circumstances lead to better output.(Trapped? Low efficiency. Small Triangle? High efficiency. At least that's my hypothesis.) Having a graph of Avg efficiency over the course of the match, we should be able to analyse how and which events lead to serious corrections in the graph etc. Sorry for the text wall lol

Thank you!

Unfortunately I think you're right... I'm already struggling to keep up :(

I wish I knew :( It seems like they've been slowly rolling out a new miniplayer function that plays videos on hover, but from the start. Maybe that will solve the problem.

I tried some walls early in development but they didn't work so great. Might try again after all the adjustments I've been making.

Ye

I've done a 8-player battle royale, to be released in a few days. Not 1000x1000 though. My PC is not strong enough to handle that with how I've coded this. I need to learn how to use computer shaders which should be able to help me with that.

@@lostmarbles2d you made me subscribe with notifications on because I want to see that! 1+ subscriber

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@@Eta_two_cardinal man this community is so caring and positive

Oh? I thought yellow mostly won?