Thank you, Nick for this, Your perspective on our first creation -- the 3rd Wave --- is comprehensive and authoritative - as usual. We're very grateful for the wonderful job you've done here to showcase what the synth can do. And yes, indeed, the tech foundation we've started here with the 3rd Wave will both "trickle down" and "trickle up" into more instruments. We're just getting started and you've given us a real boost here. We can't thank you enough.
From what I have read, you guys are OG Sequential, which means good things for this synth. I wish you all the success with this and hope you grow the company for future endeavors. It's a beast of a synth, Tangerine Dream would be all over this. Nick did great coverage which is a given when he does what he does!!
@@dankeplace Hi Danke. Yes, fully half of our team --- Bob, Tracy, and I (Mark) --- are ex-Sequential guys. We all had a decade or more working with Dave Smith, which was a blessing. In fact, an anecdote I'll share here is that in one of the last interviews I did with Dave for an in-house Prophet-5 Rev4 promo thing, I asked Dave if he would ever do one of those "Master Class" things you see online now. Dave's answer was "I already did." When I looked confused, he said: "With you guys!" He meant of course that he had "trained" Bob, Tracy, and I (Dave knew that we were developing the 3rd Wave and was fine with it) - but he also meant the whole Sequential gang. We all learned from him. That meant the world to us. We were very lucky to have worked for him and with him and now that he's gone, we like to think that we're carrying on his legacy and his spirit in our own humble way. (We left after he passed.) Our biggest regret is that he never got to actually play the 3rd Wave. He died right before we debuted it at NAMM. Very bittersweet. But again, we were very very lucky to have learned from him.
@@starchedshirt13 thank you for an amazing and insightful story. I am sure Dave would have given all your efforts his blessings, as others do to. I have a bunch of Sequential gear and was a little sad to hear when FR took over, I am sure Dave knew abt his own health so possibly wanted to look after his family/friends with the passing of the torch so to speak. It's great to see that with the seeds Dave sowed, that this beautiful synth came from it. I am sure you're all proud of your efforts too, as Dave would be. Thanks once again for sharing this with us.
@@GrooveSynthesisMark I feel like this is becoming the ultimate Synthesizer for me and I hope one day I will be able to grab one. I think it will remain for a long time on the top of Synths. The versatility and sound are absolutely amazing. Currently I'm using the Korg Prologue 16 for my music, it does a lot of things and it also has a massive sound, but it's limited in many ways. The 3rd Wave definitively will be an important upgrade.
I can say with almost complete certainty that I will never be able to afford a synth of this price (or anything close to it) but it is a joy to watch Nick review them. God save the Batt.
@@d3tuned378 It's true, though. If you want money, you can acquire money. If you want a PPG synth, you can work to acquire one. Every single synth comments section has someone saying, "I can't afford it", and they're all incorrect. They CAN afford it; they just don't WANT it badly enough.
@@CommunityGuidelines I've got a Blofeld, and a few other smaller items, but I also have 2 kids (the Blofeld et al were purchased before having kids), a mortgage, a car, insurance, etc. so it's a matter of priorities. I can't afford it because I can't justify paying for it. Thanks for your input though. Nice thought.
I’m really starting to think seriously about selling off a few things and getting one of these. What a great sound! The aesthetic is… interesting. I’m not sure whether I love it or hate it. There’s something about it that reminds me of mid-00s gaming computers and I’m not into that, and that shade of blue is very…. Blue.
@@dddayesq5061 It was probably their best tour. Before they grew too big. I only saw them around Black Celebration and Music for the Masses. Their synths were hidden behind podiums.
Every time I hear a demo of this synth it just sounds amazing. To me, it sounds better than any other wavetable synth I've heard. Definitely a dream machine.
This resurgence of PPG Wave style synths is quite cool. I got Waldorf M, which is another variant of PPG Wave and I love it. And yeah it has the same Dave Rossum's SSI2144 filters.
Hope they do the Sequential thing and do a cut down 1 or 4 voice version of this as a module. I love that this is multitimbral and everything, but I've already got so many synths I really cannot see myself going through the trouble of using all 4 of those outs, or even 2! The interpolation switch is interesting. Wish more wavetable synths opened up the interpolation the way that the Waldorf NW1 does with it's noisy and brilliance. Really that thing is the wavetable OSC to beat.
Very good, good synthesizer with a lot of sound power and all the control in your hands without going too deep. It costs what it costs, a bit expensive in price... Well, cheer up with all things and let's all go with joy...
Great video - 3rd Wave does sound brilliant. I’ve tried some of the synths at this price, Trigon, Oberheim, Prophet and 3rd Wave has the most to offer I think. Hopefully will get a chance to try one at my local shop. But…. I can’t afford it 😢 most can’t however some can & 😊hopefully it will be a success and we will see wavetable type of synthesis coming to a more affordable synth. Maybe a Boutique??? just kidding 😊
Just like the PPG Waveterm, this synth requires time and a learning curve in order to master. An amazing synth, if one can invest the time to learn it!
The sound is amazing, but those wobbly knobs at 3:40 are a deal breaker for me. For $5000 USD, I would expect rock solid pots/encoders. The introductory price of $3795 USD seemed to be more appropriate.
$3795 + tax + credit card fee + shipping were all added on top during the introductory price putting it close to how much you can get it from retailers (when you ask for a discount). Your point still stands. Don’t like that plastic potentiometers were used instead of metal.
@@googlingthevoid Do retailers still offer discounts off MSRP? It’s been a while since I’ve bought anything at a physical store. The last couple times I tried to get a discount at Guitar Center I was shot down.
**•°•☆Oooh! This Looks Awesome! I'm Gettin' me Popcorn ready as I watch me favourite "Gear Breakdown" guy! Thanks for the upload Mate!! Happy Monday To all and To All, A Happy Monday!!☆•°•**
As usual very good review:)! The notes you played at 20:21 minutes were wonderful and typically what you do so well as a Master Synthesizer Reviewer! Mr Nick Batts, “Respect”!!!
Gorgeous looking thing. Not totally out of my price range, I’ve spent maybe 3 times that on modular gear, but too limited for the outlay for me compared to something like my Hydrasynth Deluxe at a third the price. If they ever brought out a plugin version or a less well appointed desktop hardware unit I could be tempted. Hoping this is a foot in the door product for an exciting new manufacturer.
@@mvsr990 just saying I’d take a look at if they did bring out a plugin version. Arturia, Korg and others have. The Waldorf PPG emulation doesn’t have the kind of smooth sounds Nick seemed to be getting from the 3rd Wave, presumably due to that Wave Flow processing.
What a machine. Pretty much ticks all my boxes, and would be my desert island machine (... if I could afford it. Not to say it's not fairly priced for the quality.)
@@jackduxbury1632 You know he made a video that Groove Sythesis had removed saying that Inhalt had faked the video? He tried to ruin both Inhalt's and Groove Synthesis' reputation by making false claims. He does this all the time and it is disruptive to companie's/individual's livelihoods.
It's funny @0:50 how you say "it's obviously very different from what they're doing at Sequential", because when you look at the architecture and layout of the controls, down to the number of LFO's and ENV's as well as the four encoders above the screen, the Third Wave is very close the the Prophet 12. They also sound similar.
Different in the sense that Sequential's thing is primarily analog synths with VCOs, etc. We're using our DSP skills to develop more forward-looking designs. We love Sequential (being ex-Sequential guys ourselves). That said, there are things Sequential will never take on ---- and that's why we started Groove Synthesis. But to your point, our lead DSP engineer, Bob Coover, did the digital oscillators and other digital features of the Prophet 12.
@@GrooveSynthesisMark I agree that this is not the focus for Sequential, or where they find their success. Nevertheless Dave Smith did like his hybrid synths, and the P12 is fantastic - just like the 3rd Wave.
@@SPAZZOID100 Yes and no. The layout and number of the modulations sources as well as how the screen is used (four buttons below, four pots above) is very much like the P12.
@@GrooveSynthesisMark beautiful sounds. But it looks a bit cheap. I know it’s not, but please let Axel Hartmann design the next one? He’s really good at making synths look classy.
Muy bien buen sintetizador con mucha potencia sonora y todo el control en las manos sin profundizar mucho..Cuesta lo que cuesta un poco caro de precio...Bien animo con todas las cosas y vayamos todos con alegrias...
I don't mind your sponsorships an adeverts at all, but if you're accepting sponsorships for these vids Nick, you really don't have to give us the disclaimer that the sponsor 'has no say' in the content. your journalistic integrity is possibly the highest of any self described Synth-tuber out there and, as far as I know, no one is calling it into question so there's no need to capitulate to this fad of signaling to the audience that your thoughts and opinions are your own. but please carry on as you please, with or without said disclaimers. just my friendly two bob...😉
It's an awesome synth Nick, it does what my other gear cannot. 4 multi outs is a dream for me, plenty of knobs, what's not to like? Great upload, cheers.
I'm just hoping after they are done the "firmware tweak period" they open up a little more patch storage for user patches. I really hate that we have to overwrite the factory programs currently. Otherwise no complaints with mine.
Comparing the Third Wave and M. Third Wave has 3 oscillators, M has two. Both have grungy oscillators (M's specifically model the Microwave I) or higher-fidelity ones. The M offers transients, while the Third Wave has some single-cycle oscillator options and FM. Both have a digital filter (Third Wave is multimode, M's is various filter options) and an analog low-pass filter. Both have an Amp envelope and a Filter envelope. Third Wave has two more auxiliary envelopes, and M has one but it has five stages. Both have a wave envelope: third wave has six stages, M has eight stages. Third wave has four LFOs, M has two LFOs plus a global LFO. Both are 4-part multitimbral. Third Wave has effects, M intentionally has no effects. Both have arpeggiators. Third Wave has a mod matrix, M has per-parameter modulation options (the M is meant expressly to emulate the Microwave I). Third Wave has a built-in wavetable sampler; M relies on external tools. Third Wave has 24 voices, M has 16. Third Wave has lots of nice buttons, better screen, and keyboard. Third Wave is about $5K, M is about $2K.
@@donato77 I have a 30 voice XTK and a third wave, I see no need for the M, lol. It is amazing how good the 3rd wave sounds, not sure how they accomplished that. I do like the XTk a lot but its not even close, which isn't to suprising given the age difference, honestly, I wouldn't sell either one.
My only real complaint with this synth is no user patch storage space. You have to overwrite existing programs currently. Its very nice otherwise (I have one of the second batch they released).
you dont menshion anymore the lack of definition on filter knob (like on the ob-x8 and all sequential synths) for that smooth with no steping while doing the sing song harmonics
For me (especially in a studio setting) a 12 voice 2 part possibly even just 4 octave version without the mediocre onboard effects for around Summit or PolyBrute pricing would have been MUCH more interesting because it does sound lovely.
Nick, the patch 'Propaganda Split' is probably named after the German synth pop band Propaganda which were produced in the mid Eighties by Trevor Horn.
very interesting - I wonder how well this compares to something like the quantum or iridium. obviously it's got a few more voices, but feature wise seems pretty similar, with the quantum/iridium edging it out on oscillator features and modulation options - and the iridium undercuts it by nearly £2500 (for the desktop version). I'm not impressed by that supersaw though, sounded quite thin and like a sampled waveform rather than a true supersaw. I'd also wonder how it compares to cheaper wavetable stuff, notably the blofeld, which has a similar feature set, albeit a significantly cut down front panel (i would say this sounds a lot better than the blofeld, but is it 10x better to reflect the price?).
At that price point, it should be 16 parts multitimbral, all 16 parts streamed over usb, and at least 80 voices. Im basically just reading virus ti2 specs from about 15 years ago.
Blue synhs can go really wrong, like here in Norway, in the 90s a guy had homestudio in the basement and no problem with wife and changes in setup over time since almost all elpianos and synths looked the same in black. So far so good, but when a blue Yamaha Cs1X showed up even the wife noted something new...ended with phone to Yamaha Norway and the owner told the boss what he meant about this... WHY DID YOU GUYS MAKE IT BLUE... Cool video and synth!
When a wavetable synth costs $5000 in 2023 you know the synth madness has gone wrong. Sure, it sounds nice but so are many other hardware and virtual synths nowadays.
I need this to trickle down. Modern digital lost the flair and magic digital once had. As a big appreciator of that late 80s early 90s era of digital synths, the best way I can describe it is that now it's like every company is using stock DSP from the same open source repositories. It all has that same crystalline hifi quality that manages to sound perfectly even and flat really.
@@seanluke3052 No correlation between VCA and amplifier envelope who in this machine are digital and so are the amplification , ie a simple mul + shift. VCA is an "analogue component" requiring a CV who btw not mentioned in the manual nor in interviews with Bob.
@@deadmanwalking6342 I see. So you really meant analog amplifiers. Why? Analog filters can make a difference. Analog amplifiers make very little difference.
@@seanluke3052 VCA's depending on design causes various none linear artifacts due to loading and driving expressing it self as alteration of overtones, so they play a big role in final sound.
@@deadmanwalking6342 I disagree. VCAs, and overdriving them, are one of the easier things to model in a synth. There's a reason VCAs aren't nearly as common in a hybrid synth as VCFs, despite them being *very cheap* to implement in analog.
Nice synth, good sounds. But comeon, $5k for a wavetable synth ? No way. These companies need to stop pandering to the wealthy, and start releasing affordable synths.
I may not be rich and this synth would be considered a crazy purchase on my end to justify to my friends that would say I was mad, but I've done crazier things and this synth is special
