I played an interesting hand at 2/5 last night. Game was pretty heated up and I myself had a very swingy session. I don't have a nitty image, and i manage to get into a lot of big pots. In UTG +1 with 55, I raise to $20 ($2k eff. w/ main villain) Loose, talkative villain calls in HJ (~$2k stack), young Asian kid on Bu calls (~$500 stack). Flop Q56 rainbow. I checked to protect range (given game dynamics) and induce action. If i bet bet I'll fold most worse hands, and i want to get in stacks. HJ bets $30, button calls, i call Turn is 8c brings in FD. I check, HJ bets $75, BU calls. I XR to $325 BOTH players call. (Pot now now $1130) River is Ace of spades. I bet $600 (thinking I can fold to jam because it be a straight), HJ jams, button calls last $75 or so. I tanked.... My thought process is that a) he only be jamming straights here; but what straights does he really have? 97 or 47 would probably only call EP raise if suited. 97 wouldn't bet often on that flop between two players. 47 would bet flop, but I'm discounting as a I don't think 100% of 47s calls preflop at this game, even for loose player. Also some % of 97 and 47 re-raise my turn raise to protect against sets. b) all other sets should just call the river, except maybe aces. two pair jamming is suicidal since I've already bet big and would never call with worse. But I'm not getting bluff vibes from villain. he is nervous but he's being very talkative and seems comfortable. End of the day, although this screams heavy value I can't really put villain on many value combos, I'm getting 3/1 and in live poker there's a WTF factor where sometimes people just do random sh** for no reason or bad reasons (I think I heard that on Bart's call in shows). And I wouldn't live with myself if i folded. ....... and called. HJ shows AQ expecting to win. I scooped. And the fish at the table yelled at me for nit rolling claiming they would basically have snapped called.
It’s an actual thing tho certain players from certain areas have tendencies that can sway close decisions..you’re from Brazil and you did something exceptionally aggressive ok I call or raise
i am an young Asian who always have the bluffy image no matter how nitty I have been played. ppl always thinks i am up to something no good. I know the best strategy for me is just to play value heavy game. but i still cant resist my self to pull off crazy bluff. lmao
Having come up in poker at Lucky Chances Colma, Asian central I can say there is no such thing as a read on generic Asians, they are all so different, Vietnamese, Phillipino, etc… If he’s Korean, it’s a fold If he’s Chinese, snap call I would never generalize about Asians without specifically knowing their national origin
Not just under-repped, but improved to the 3rd nuts, in a spot where V really can't have the 2nd nuts. Don't know how we could ever fold when we improve to 2nd set on the river, the way this was played. V never has AA here, and has way more Ax and 2P combos than KT that gets played this way.
I think villains line might have made sense if they had J10 or Q10, I think ace 10 is a bit too strong to turn into a bluff, pretty much only targeting A4 and QJ. If Hero somehow turned up with AK it would be a disaster if Hero got curious with a blocker and called down to the Jam
I think at 2-5 that might be giving your opponent too much credit. I just see so many ridiculous moves at these stakes where I am left dumbfounded. Where the Villian either had the bluff predetermined from the very start or they just Spaz out in the hand and start clicking buttons. I really don't think a person can fold here. Maybe if they were sitting a Lot deeper.
I hated villains play also. But I read this part of your post with a bit of confusion " I think ace 10 is a bit too strong to turn into a bluff". Would you suggest villain call hero's river raise with it?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj TT can probe bet turn sometimes, I think, when the flop checks through to deny equity from Kx or Qx. If we probe bet turn and get called by the BB, there's a good chance the BB will check to us on river, allowing us to check-back. If we bet turn and CO and BB call, we're probably beat, and just want to give up unless we somehow improve to a set on the river.
showing your hand on the river is a negative ev move. because you're not going to get the read from villain you want. ideally you want him to appear concerned your hand is too good to fold. but he's likely to display more confidence because he sees his bluff is working.
This hand seemed pretty straightforward to me. I think the river seemed like a tough spot because the bet-raise-jam is uncommon. As to the MDF discussion, I cannot find the better hand hero ever has here. I suppose he could have slow-played AA on the flop, since it's such a lockdown. But is AA really different from QQ on the river? Only if our villain ever has AA himself right? If villain had flatted a 3 bet pre, or if it was going to be heads up with villain closing the action, then mayyybe. I don't understand counting KT as part of hero's range since if he held that, then villains jam is a dream come true & we snap with the stone cold nuts. Therefore I cannot any hand hero calls with that is better than QQ. Bart's discussion of KJ and blocker theory was confusing to me. It seemed like maybe he was talking about a different hypothetical situation. I hope so, because I'm never calling this river with KJ & never folding QQ. I also thought there were over-values possible here for villain. He could easily think hero never has KT because he called turn with a player behind him. He also might think hands like JJ or AK or AQ C-bet flop often. So he could conclude that 77 was monster. Maybe even some aces up here A4 A7. I realize those are bad plays by villain, but his actual play was awful as well.
Doubtful the BB is slow-playing AA pre-flop. Seems like V checked in flow on flop, expecting hero to c-bet, or CO to stab at it. When hero didn't c-bet and CO didn't stab, V bet turn and river for value, thinking he probably had the best hand. Then V was surprised hero raised. It's unlikely hero slow-played AA/JJ/AJ/AK/AQ on flop, so V's only losing to QQ, and maybe KTs, but KTs probably folds turn. V probably thought he had the best hand when he jammed, but it took him a while to think about what hero could have, and came to the same conclusion - he's really only losing to QQ, hero might be over-valuing a worse Ax, and hero might lay down a better hand to an all-in jam.
@@1vailchris yeah, it seemed so unlikely that villain could ever have AA here, that I figured QQ was equal to AA. That's why I say if we fold QQ here, we are folding everything.
@@EllieBanks333I sort of followed it, I guess the logic is that if V is never value 3-betting with worse than QQ (eg with 44 or 77) then QQ is a pure bluffcatcher. It loses to KT and beats all bluffs. The rationale would then be that KJ blocks KT. But (a) I’m not convinced V never overvalues 77. Sure it’s maybe rare but it’s not impossible. And (b) what if V decides to bet AT on the river for value and then, when hero raises, turn it into a bluff by 3-betting? Again, rare but not impossible surely? I’d rather have QQ for sure.
love these videos, been a fan of bart since his Cash Plays podcasts where he would interview the biggest people in poker like tom dwan , barry greenstein at the time, etc. just a bit of constructive criticism - i personally am not a fan at all of this new background. it is too busy, distracts from the visuals that we are supposed to be looking at, and also just generally does not fit the mood of a poker hand analysis show at all. looks like we are having an Oprah's book club meeting.
Hero c-bets flop. Let's say CO calls. BB x/r's over the top. What do we do with QQ there? Are we going to flat call BB's x/r on the flop, and then call again when BB barrels the river?
It is, unless you wanna tell us about tabling your hand and getting a sick soul read due to the opponent wearing a hooded sweatshirt. Which is 100% in-line with telling us he has the table covered, the other players are ABC, he knew the old man was gonna fold the turn, etc.
Straightforward hand. Call was a. must. (Otherwise, quit playing). V did not so smart river raise: no way better hand folds nor worse calls (2 pairs would not take this line nor even straight).
The KJ argument by Bart is bad. Specially in low stakes you want to hero call with the top of your range, that's it. People do a lot of dumbshit and thinking about "blockers", specially when you only block like 25% of the combos is stupid. You just want to make sure you beat as many hands as possible and if the opponents line doesnt make sense you call. In this scenario you could consider folding if he jams very fast. But after he thinks for more than 30s that is not acting anymore and I am snap calling with QQ.
@@montezuma6962 I figured Bart was talking about a different hypothetical situation with the KJ discussion. Because the idea of calling with KJ & folding QQ here is ridiculous. BTW; call it results oriented if you want, but KJ would have lost this pot & QQ won it. Another way to think about it is that the vast difference in hand strength between KJ and QQ here outweighs the value of a single blocking card.
“Your Asian I call”, then why did you tank call? King Ten is never there based on the action and aggression. AAs would of reraised pre flop a majority of the time so Trip Queens on the river is third best hand behind set of aces and King ten but is the effective nuts based on position and actions on each street.
If hes Filipino or Persian, its a fold. If hes white or chinese, the older he is the more likely you have to fold, but if hes under 28 it's more a call. If hes black i have to analyze his hair style. Im folding against a south american or an Australian. Unless hes brazilian, then I call. East indian? Call. Native american? Fold.
‘You’re Asian, I call’ has to be one of the most idiotic things I’ve heard in reference to making a decision at the poker table. Especially since he thought that his race somehow logically supported making that decision.
Honestly it does though. While it’s not 100% accurate many nationalities have different tendencies at the table. Or online as well. The 3b range of a Brazilian or a Euro is going to be way wider than the 3b range of an American
@@seangallagher4686 Asians can be Europeans. Referring to someone as a ‘euro’ is more understandable than saying you’re Asian, I call. What he did was more similar to saying, you’re white, I call. Or you’re black, I call. He pigeonholed himself into that thought process based on the way he looks. Lol and even then, I’m not making a decision like that and going to be arrogant enough to announce it at the table when I call. Lol just a lack of social awareness.
Maybe the hero figured the villain being Asian just has some easy money to spread around. Sometimes I see people with too much money swing wide and don't care about the money 🤑
I'd be more likely to consider V's race if he was an older Asian, maybe, only because I've noticed some commonality among older Asians, in how they play. But even there, I'd want to have some hand history with a V before relying on stereotypes. If V is just some young Asian that grew up in America, I'd think he's no different than anyone else who grew up here.
If you think this caller is racist then y’all need to go and play more poker. In live cash, Asians are often more aggressive. Online, the 3b of Brazilians and euros are going to cover a wider range than the 3b range of an American. Poker is one of the few places where stereotyping isn’t a bad thing.
Showing your hand in this river spot is dumb. If you do end up folding this hand the last thing you want is for everyone to see you fold this. Stop trying to look smart.
@psymeariver not "RRRRR-In". "Aaarrr-In". psst,,, it's supposed to be an Asian guy saying "all in". I'm saying they tend to play wild and it's obvious when they miss their draws, Spaz Out and go All In. I play in the Chicago area. Ask anyone at Rivers Des Plaines was I'm talking about
No offfense and I don’t want to sound like I stereotype people but all Asian, male poker players always act like kamikaze pilots …I said no offense so I’m invincible 😜
