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@derwolf7810
@derwolf7810 10 месяцев назад
You missed out one (or more) solution(s), because you (wrongly) assumed that x, y have to be integers: a = 18, b = 1 ==> a^b - b^a = 18^1 - 1^18 = 18 - 1 = 17, x = a^(b/2) = 18^(1/2) = sqrt(18) = 3 sqrt(2), y = b^(a/2) = 1^(18/2) = 1.
@nasrullahhusnan2289
@nasrullahhusnan2289 10 месяцев назад
In general if x^y-y^x=c where c≠0 is a constant, then (x,y)={(c+1),1} is the solution
@dimitrovniko608
@dimitrovniko608 10 месяцев назад
Brilliantly humourous! This quiz excited me.
@salvatorecosta875
@salvatorecosta875 9 месяцев назад
In the text there is not written a,b integer. If a,b integer, a,b are not both even or odd because 17 is odd then a is odd and b is even or viceversa. Equation is a^b=17+b^a then a^b≥17 and a≠b. We have to try even powers of an odd number. For a=3, powers are 9,,81, 729.............. But 9
@kaushikbasu9707
@kaushikbasu9707 10 месяцев назад
3 and 4 respectively
@rvn9641
@rvn9641 10 месяцев назад
17=2*8.5
@MultiYesindeed
@MultiYesindeed 10 месяцев назад
Awesome
@kabivose
@kabivose 10 месяцев назад
By inspection, a= 18, b= 1
@bonho8913
@bonho8913 9 месяцев назад
A few of this break. Firstly a and b didn't start as integers. And even if they were, x = a^(b/2) may not be integers, and similarly with y. Therefore (x+y)(x-y) = 17 does not necessarily means either of them equating to 1 or 17.
@miracbarsapaydn650
@miracbarsapaydn650 10 месяцев назад
a = 3 , b = 4
@zarkourevic7442
@zarkourevic7442 9 месяцев назад
Of course, it could have been shorter, but it is a presentation of the variety of tools that can be used to reach a solution. Naravno da je moglo i kraće ali u pitanju je prikaz raznovrsnosti alata koji se mogu koristiti da bi se došlo do rešenja.
@RegisMichelLeclerc
@RegisMichelLeclerc 9 месяцев назад
it's missing the clauses, such as a and b are positive integers, and by "simplifying", you're breaking the function... a^b-b^a can be seen as a 3D function, and you're looking for all the points where your "surface" intersects with the flat plane at 17... and there can be a lot of "points", there.
@alexeyrazumovsky9008
@alexeyrazumovsky9008 10 месяцев назад
18 and 1
@stefanti2
@stefanti2 10 месяцев назад
@@is7728 Assume b = 1 and put into ^LHS of equation: a^b - b^a = a^1 - 1^a = a - 1 = 17. Therefore a = 18 and b = 1 is also a solution.
@sie_khoentjoeng4886
@sie_khoentjoeng4886 10 месяцев назад
Clearly, 18^1-1^18=18-1=17..
@stefanti2
@stefanti2 10 месяцев назад
In the video, the solution a = 18, b = 1 is lost when for the equation (x + y) * (x - y) = 17 the factors (x + y) and (x - y) are assumed to be integers. Using a = 18, b = 1, the equation is also fulfilled with the non-integer factors x = 18^(1/2) = sqrt(18), y = 1^(18/2) = 1 thus giving (x + y) * (x - y) = (sqrt(18) + 1) * (sqrt(18) - 1) = sqrt(18)^2 - 1^2 = 18 - 1 = 17.
@stefanti2
@stefanti2 10 месяцев назад
I wonder whether the solution a = 18, b = 1 can be determined analytically and not just via intuition.
@user-yq2uf1si4c
@user-yq2uf1si4c 10 месяцев назад
17=9+8 Very easy , just guese it
@user-qy8re3yx3d
@user-qy8re3yx3d 9 месяцев назад
На вскидку: a=18, b=1. :)
@SPetrosyan1960
@SPetrosyan1960 10 месяцев назад
If this is the way you're going to solve it - assume or try ...17x1, 3 and 4 ... then the best solution was to try 3 and 4 right from the beginning and QED
@user-nl7un1qd8w
@user-nl7un1qd8w 8 месяцев назад
a=2. b=3
@zawatsky
@zawatsky 10 месяцев назад
Не нужны были эти лишние телодвижения, можно было напрямую представить 17 как 9+8 - числа с целыми степенями.
@l.w.paradis2108
@l.w.paradis2108 10 месяцев назад
Method is more important than result. That is why they pick easy problems --- the answer is obvious; the method, hardly.
@zawatsky
@zawatsky 10 месяцев назад
@@l.w.paradis2108верно. Замени 17, скажем, на 18 - что они будут делать? Обыкновенный ребус, кубик Рубика - математики около нуля...🤦‍♂
@Asanata
@Asanata 9 месяцев назад
В целых числах.
@musicsubicandcebu1774
@musicsubicandcebu1774 10 месяцев назад
General strategy: convert LHS to x² - y² form
@ThaiNguyen-do9vd
@ThaiNguyen-do9vd 10 месяцев назад
Cách giải vớ vẩn
@user-ec5ip3vp2r
@user-ec5ip3vp2r 3 месяца назад
a=3, b=4
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