Mathieu van der Poel RELEGATED for Dangerous Move on Biniam | Tour de France 2023 Stage 4 

That's some of the funniest shit I've seen in some time haha

Always is for sprint stages.

I read the comment before getting to that part of the video! 😂😂😂😂 I actually did a spit take with my coffee and now my daughter thinks I’ve lost my marbles😂😂😂😂.

ridiculous stuff from those sprinters

This tends to happen on roads too. When roads looks more dangerous, drivers take less risks cos they are like... yeah fuck that its sketchy. When its wide open clean road, people start playing silly games and win silly prices.

did they have space though? It was very twisty and quite narrow for a racetrack. I think the idea is great but the choice was not

@@riquelmeoneyou have seen the race 😂? The street is 20m broad

I've had the same experiences in amateurs. The wider the road, the more likely it was to fall.

It's only because it's been sprint stages, once we get back to GC territory we'll have the standings back at the end

I think when GC is not shown, it means no changes.

Nothing should really change in the GC until after these two mountain stages.

GC is already settled no need for updates

No way. That would give a random result, and they are way more off than that.

Not Worst than formula 1.

Mafia comes in

The future is cloudy.

But this of vanderlooser was straight forward

When was this?

Yes! I do not understand how that crap is allowed so close to the tour participants! who will pay if that idiot killed a cyclist?

​@@DirtyPoulcheck at 1:05

I was hoping for a calamity to befall the backhoe borne biker.

@@TanguyBayard Oh, that's what he meant. Yeah, that was quite good.

Lanterne. Than.

Lol

@@alaefarmestatesllc lol indeed

since the dauphine:)

It’s the new Team Machine R😜

Apparently it’s called the Racemachine.

It's ugly as sin. Frame proportions all out of whack, super thin tapered top tube, huge headset junction and BB junction, and those wide stance angular forks...

gravel time machine 😂

I'm bringing those numbers while watching it

@@olommenteslol. Same!! :D

Yeah and averaged only 126w

@@olommentes I got close when I went to the toilet 50k from the finish

they rode extremely slowly before the last few kms

He is chasing that 35th and record breaking stage win!

He was essentially done at the end of 2020 - several years of illness, bad luck and bad form, he was on the verge of retirement & everyone (including him) knew it.... Then in 2021 Quickstep signed him at the last minute, just as a bit of a gamble/swansong I guess. Then their main sprinter was injured so Cav went to the Tour... where he won 4 more stages and the green jersey. Was one of the greatest comebacks in the history of sports. Last year was a bit less spectacular but he did win a Giro stage, Milano-Torino and the British Champs in a superb race. Earlier this year he won the final stage of the Giro. He has announced his retirement so this really is the end now, but it has been a spectacular career... he's been an elite level sprinter as 3 generations of other sprinters have come and gone. Sprint GOAT for sure.

@@bazh6041 He probably would have won a tour stage last year if they had put him on the team. Obviously Fabio was probably the better choice, but still

@@Daniel-ng8fi Yeah, agree on both counts, he would've had a good chance, but Jakobsen was the correct, or at least the sensible, choice. I still think they should've taken both & given Fab the train with Cav allowed to freelance. Would've been a gamble, but Cav's 5th would (will 🤞🤞) be an image for the history books, well worth the roll of the dice).

@@bazh6041 Not taking him to the Tour after that perfomance (what a ride!) at the British Nationals a few days earlier was ridiculous.

he needs to not get screwed in a photo finish to win it

He changed that two years ago if I recall correctly, seems to give him way more traction

If he had a leadout man as good as MVDP he would win all the time.

I think twice already this tour he did the fastest sprint, just philipsen was better positioned.

Caleb's old style definitely has an aerodynamic advantage but damages the knee a lot. On top of that, he can't use the technique on an uphill sprint due to the backwheel being lifted

The main difference is that Jumbo has Wout and Laporte and UAE doesn't have a sprinter. They are riding in front both to protect Jonas, but also so Wout has a good position for the sprint. But Wout unfortunately lost the wheel of his teammates otherwise I think the plan was for him to sit behind Laporte and Jonas with Jonas dropping after doing a pull.

Agree. All the videos today point out Jumbo protecting Vingegaard...no mention of Pogačar's location in the peloton.

Danny van Poppel said on Dutch TV Philipsen wasn't paying attention and basically drove into Jakobsen's front wheel.

@@FrietPiet he also said he didn't actually see what happened - just speculating.

but phillipsen made dangerous calls the day before yet he got nothing... he was lucky WvA is intelligent

@@des1nteress3 I agree with you there - the sprint yesterday was really sketchy

@@des1nteress3 The rules don't say you have to keep a constant gap to the barrier, that's why the judges reviewed and gave no punishment

I hold that opinion as well. You can cleary see that he veers off of the sprint line and goes to the barriers when this is not allowed. As long as is this is ok there will be more crashes and more contested results. Letting this continue also sets a dangerous precedent whereby people will just point to sprints like this and say they did it so can i.

once again. if you would have looked properly yesterday you would have seen that he kept his line and that the barriers came out and not the rider. what was he supposed to do in stead of heading straight to the finish? go around the bend and say hey come on through. Use your eyes. This is not some child game these guys are playing. WvA and his fanboys are such bad losers.

...the entire sprint field veered right to some degree. Are you gonna relegate all of them or just the fastest one?

@@jeffw9465 I did look properly and i see him verring off of the sprint line. The fact that there is a curve has nothing to do with him veering off of his line. He gets closer to the barrier. End of. I am not discussign this anymore with people who are blind and biased.

​@@suminshizzles6951he didn't get closer to the barrier, the barrier got closer to his straight line through the chicane.

He probably emptyed his tank to get in that position, that's why he didn't sprint. Why take a domestique in velogames?

He wanted to sprint. Look at the overhead when mvdp and philipsen start moving up Laporte tries to get on Philipsen wheel together with like 4 others which pretty mucj ruined all their chances as they all bumped into eachother

Laporte didnt know WvA wasnt on his wheel and would have had to make a split second decision to sprint against the plan.

Besides he mightve also thought lets not sprint for my own chance now because people in belgium will try to kill me if I do so :))

@@oliverp6770 He looked fairly relaxed, he spend no time in the wind and could definitely have sprinted. But he was still looking around for van Aert. And you take him precisely because of days like today where Wout doesn't want to sprint or is out of position and Jumbo sprints with Laporte, especially with Wout not going for green. And if you don't take domestiques, you would have missed out on Yates...

thank i apreciate it man!

drools....

Why is the tyre clearance so large? I don't understand how it may make sense. Cheers

@@martinfarias5247 2 schools of thought nowadays where the fork is either really tights to the front wheel or where its used to guide air around the legs of the rider (Lotus Hope track bike style)

New TeamMachineR 😜 I work at a BMC dealer shop😎

Especially In comparison to yesterday it seems really stupid.

I don't think you should allow a shoulder push three meters to the left, if you don't want crashes in the Future.

Er no, it was a pretty obvious shoulder barge!

Convenient loophole, I’d be surprised if other teams don’t exploit it

@@thebr0wnhornet if you watch actual sprints, this happens all the time

Yesterday there was a corner in the last 200m. Completely different situations.

100% agreed, I think the whole alpacin should be relegated today. very very VERY dangerous riding the last couple days.

@@showlate1 philipsen and van der Pool are riding pretty dangerous the whole year, see parix-roubaix beeing responsible for degenkolb crashing

​@@valload565yeah the should get a 1 year ban from road cycling. Really stupid and dangerous riding. If this is what modern race is becoming then only mountain stages will be worth watching

Agree. Still it paid of for them. Thanks UCI

But as a serious note, couldn't a rider at the end of the leading train try to intentionally crash the yellow jersey (and the field with him) to try to get the GC win on the Champs? Just that theoretical ought to allow for all riders in a group from the same team getting relegated together.

That's sort of what used to happen until they changed the points classification scoring in 2011 - used to be 3 sprints a day with points of 6, 4 and 2. The current system places more value on the intermediate sprint and sprinters generally, since flat finishes carry more points than a mountain stage.

TDF was always more boring then Giro or vuelta ;)

@@jacobkilby good point! but I really meant that the bonifications would apply to the whole team! So if a sprinter wins an intermediate sprint and gains 6 sec, their GC leader also gains 6 sec . This would create lots of interesting dynamics in flat stages imho. Same for mountain stages, where a lieutenant could abandon his leader to try for the breakaway and earn him bonus seconds. It would be tactically sound to let good climbers go for stage win or breakaways instead of having to stay back and protect the leader. This would also be risky for the leader, who becomes more susceptible to attacks. I think such ideas (maybe tweaked / improved ) could add a lot to cycling.

@wiwhwiwh1241 interesting! I think today's non event might also have been to do with the harder stages coming up potentially as well. Would be fun to see that in a 1 week race though like at Paris-Nice or something!

I’d also love to see more than 1 intermediate sprint in flat and hilly stages

Caleb's consistency is "hopefully" a good sign. I would like him to get a stage in this year's Tour. His racing well!!!

When Caleb was only 15 and on junior gears, he held my wheel at 60kmh for 2 laps on the velodrome before I swung up to release him for the final lap! He didn't answer back to me, but because I feared I may drop him I said "Are you right .. are you right?" I really don't think he dropped any more speed on the final lap on his own .. incredible speed even as a youngster!

it was a super fair move, just a hey be carefull we are coming here with speed

is MDVP out of the tour now?

@@hassanjassim7143 no, he just loses positions for this stage

​@@pedalpatrol❤

What you reckon JP should have just let the wheel go & let Fabio in? They all throw elbows & shoulders, Fabio too, he wasn’t prepared when he should have been especially trying to snake JP off his lead out. 100% Fabio’s fault.

Yes, he posted it on his instagram

go cav !

I agree, and I'm surprised I see nobody talking about this. Kristoff's leadout man literally took the Cofidis guy out because of completely forgetting to look around

@@remi1176 he was looking over at MVDP like "oh wow, so fast" like he forgot he's still in the middle of a sprint

On flat stages teams will not allow a breakaway so the sprinters can grab a wins. Alpecin doesn't have good climbers so this is the only way for them to take wins.

The breakaways on a sprint stage these days are just for show anyway. Like they get 3 minutes , no more. and really dont have any chance to make it. theres only a few sprinter opportunities. and lots of sprint teams. So really no point.

​@@D0nKeY exactly, once sprint teams decide to close the gap, they'll do it no matter what. The chance of a successful breakaway in a flat stage is probably something like 1 in 10000

Have you been watching? There were breakaways in stage 1-3, but today was the last stage before the Pyrenees and they kinda agreed to rest the legs for the coming days. The tour is long

​@@geuros And if theres a headwind then that slim chance goes to 0%.

because it didn't warrant a relegation; don't believe the Lanterne Rouge hype too much, after all it's just a guy on a sofa watching the race :)

@@gabrielmazza7923 It definitely deserved a relegation, unsafe and unprofessional.

@@sanmiguel4019 absolutely not, that's called a sprint. They are professional racers, they are ready for it

@@gabrielmazza7923 Yeah, let's barge people out of the way or even worse send them into railings, if that's the way you like your racing, then good for you. Guy should have been demoted yesterday and I'm certainly not the only that thinks that either!!!

​@@sanmiguel4019Mate. These are the best of the best, pro cyclists. They are used to getting pushed around. Do you even know what happens when you ride in the peleton or in crit races? This is nothing is comparison.

How? MVDP did it for him

Haha!! True!!

But it should be fair play for the riders to show their capabilities, you shouldn’t block someone from using their talent

Cav needs to just shadow Philipsen and MVP. It’s apparent he has the fastest lead out man…

@@BMXTraining Morkov is quickest. But no one can sustain watts MVP can from 1 KM out thats for sure!

@@danmartin9850 Love Fabio and he’s always out of position

Looked like Spanish national shirt to me, also.

Ahh what a shame! Wishing him a comeback before the year ends

Exactly when you take advantage of an illegal action you should not get away with it

Then by all means, let them relegate! UCI judges being blind 90% of the time doesn't make this right

@@devidia yes i'm fine with that too

Yes. Far worse happens all the time. Mvdp could do this 100 times and it still isn't nearly as bad as what Groenewegen did to Fabio. Mvdp should be the least of their worries.

@@IlPinnacolo I hope that was sarcasm

It was a gentle move by comparison 😮

GCN did a bit on it after stage 1. The video was about hot new tech on the tour

I watch for the scenery!

Wrong! This stage had a flying bike to watch halfway through.