I just discovered your channel from this video. Outstanding explanations I've not seen anywhere else. I'd encourage you to make more videos when you're motivated to do so. You're real good at it - easy to understand voice, articulate and well-scoped explanations, good camera work, and really effective diagrams. Thank you. Subscribed.
Thank you so much, Don, that's really nice of you to say. I try to bring something to the table that isn't being done elsewhere. I do have another Maths video starting to come together now (this one will be about Voltage and Slew) and am working on some ideas for other non-Maths related videos as well.
Amazing video! I bought Maths as my first module. I am getting into Eurorack first to expand the functionality of my Moog Grandmother, and then as my module collection grows a standalone system. So far Maths is the only module I own. The first day, I had it, I thought maybe I had made a mistake getting it as my one and only module to compliment my Moog. The second day, I spent some time on youtube and then re-read the entire Grandmother Manual so that I better understood what I could use maths to compliment the modules built into the Grandmother. The more I learn about maths, and the more I tinker with it, the more I don't mind that it's all I have for now. Thanks for this education, it really expanded what I can use it for in my meager setup!
Thanks for all the time you have put into these videos. Also, the slides are awesome. I really appreciate you making me available to us in Google Docs.
had maths for years, and i've used it for everything from a rudimentary VCA to haphazard sidechain compressor-but that burst generator seriously blew my mind. excellent stuff dude! subbed :)
I know! That's part of why I wanted to do this one first, and to use percussion & rhythm as my examples - people just look right past Maths when it comes to this stuff.
I am trying to program a Maths module for VCV Rack based on the description from its manual, and I completely missed this detail about EoR and EoC outputs, thanks so much! I love your channel, really useful and interesting 👏👏👏
Thanks for this!! I’ve Maths for years and didn’t see EOR and EOC like this. True mislabeling indeed. Was actually looking for a module that would have gate open as long as rise is happening. Turns out I’ve had that in my case all a long 😂
I dont want to fall in controversy, but I think EOR and EOC labels are right, first they communicate when the gate starts and not how long is the gate, that depends on how long are the states “fall” and “rise” respectively. Calling them “Rising” or “Falling” could be more misleading in the sense that they could be confused with a sort of cv source that only “Falls” or “Rise”.
The wording for me makes sense if the channel one attenuvertor is all the way clock wise. The channel one output is basically a triangle wave with different shark or hump shape based on the log/line/exp settings. The gate is triggered at the rise of the wave, thus gate starts at the end of rise.
I just discovered this channel today. Thank you, thank you for the diagrams. This helps me to understand what is happening and why. This is very useful information. Awesome!
you know what ! you are Genius, you are the only one on the earth (on internet) really correctly show how it work ! MAKE NOISE should hire you to write that god damn useless manual
@@SoundVoltage The only thing holding me back from getting it is I still need to get a semi-modular voice like the 0-Coast, as I want to get that before I really go too far in elsewhere xD
@@Ariakiri_ Yeah, unless you're really flexible with the sound you expect out of it, it is limited on it's own. You could still set one of the cycling LFOs to audio rate, modulate it with the other, slower, LFO, run the results through some effects - that would probably be fun :) But it's better added to a 0-Coast or a Mother-32 or something.
I think what would be awesome is a video on subharmonic frequencies when you put a voice into the trigger input and use it to create a subharmonic frequency.
I don't have Maths but the 0Coast also has EOC and EON outputs from its Slope and Contour sections. Do you think these really work in the way you describe?
I don't have a 0-Coast, so I can't test directly, but looking at the docs it does look like it works very similarly, though I'm not sure how the Slope & Contour sections are related to each other. But yes, for Slope, EOC is high whenever it is not in the fall segment. And EON works the opposite on Contour, high when it is not in the onset segment. But because you can trigger the Slope & Contour at the same time, and the Onset & Rise segments can be different lengths, you can have different behavior (like both of them high at the same time). I think. :) I should really get a 0-Coast.
One of us! One of us! :) The important thing to remember is: even though it's really easy to just use it as LFOs or envelopes, the real power is lurking underneath all of that. use it as a burst generator, or as an envelope follower, or use it to dial in 0.01V for something. You can get envelopes & LFOs from anywhere.
Take a look at my Maths 203 video, it's all about Slew Limiting, and that's what you want. Basically, you're going to use either channel 1 or 4 as a slew limiter -- something that slows down the transition between two voltage levels -- like gliding between notes. I go into it in depth in that video.
Excellent! I am new to Maths and this really helps understand this complex module. Can you use it with Pressure Points to turn it into a sequencer? How would I modulate Pressure Points with Maths?
Thanks for watching! In my Maths 202 video I give an example of Maths as a sequencer. I think what you'd want to do is do something like in that video, but then patch the Pressure Points in to Channel 2 or 3. Then the SUM output would be the cycling LFOs on Channels 1 and/or 4 added to whatever Pressure Points was sending. Then you could send that to a quantizer to clean it up a bit. The LFO would repeat, and the Pressure Points would be transposing it up and down.
I really like it! You can get a lot of lovely movement in the filter by running different voices at different pitches into the hi/low/center inputs and modulating the Span. Definitely worth experimenting with if you get your hands on one.
Damn! I'm only 5-6 months into my first rack, still bewildered most of the time. Maths arrived 1 week ago, and having been accustomed to Slope/Contour on the 0-Coast, I found it a lot more hands on intuitive than Stages, which has been kinda my nemesis for a while now. I knew that Maths was more than just an EG/LFO, but... Jesus, I had no idea it could do these kinds of things. Trigger Delay look amazing, so much potential there, and best of all, contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there is a real simplicity in the way that MN label and connect their functions. This tutorial taught me so much about what the module can do, and it's only one topic - Clock/gate/trigger... Subbed and watching other Maths tutorials now, starting with 4 pitch cv Cheers!
That's great! I'm glad the tutorials are helping out. I have one in the works right now about voltage & slew that will dig more into what the mixer section and slew limiters do - there's some pretty cool stuff in there too! That'll probably just be another week or so. And maybe after that I'll do one about the LFO functionality :)
Great video! Would love to see a similar video using the DUSG MK2. I know both modules are similar but seeing it in context of the module is helpful without feeling redundant in my opinion. Been tryin to find ways to use utilize the Serge euro system (in isolation) and a clock divider of sorts, seems vital.
Ah gotcha! I'd suggest picking one up on used, you can get a decent deal on them through reverb. The Serge line up is great but pretty expensive for what you get. @@SoundVoltage
Maths is great, but I'd rather use a combination of Befaco's Rampage and two simple attenuvertors. Rampage is like having channels 1 and 4 of Maths with better gate and trigger outputs (gate outputs for rising and falling AND a trigger output for the EOC on each channel).
Thanks! I figured it was best to let people pause on things if they wanted to rather than make everyone watch a 30 minute long video :) Hope it's helpful!
wow! I don't have a maths but have been thinking about picking one up, and this was super helpful. Thank you. I hope I can give some of these patches a try myself soon. I can tell the oscilloscope is going to be my friend with this one
A surprising thing about this module is that Make Noise, being a US company, didnt call it 'Math'. Probably because deep down they know thats just wrong!
Blame the internets culture and the Look Around You, Maths episode. which is so funny, people who don't know what a modular is, now own Math's modules. Often acquired through PMing. They just put them in a drawer when they arrive, and forget they even have them.
Now this is the Jeff I knowww..Awesome Video...i learned quite a bit I must say...Always wanted a Maths...Now I may finally break down & get one...Thanks for sharing this...
The video will be here for review any time you like. :) But I think I'm going to create a PDF with all the diagrams & text, and post those as an accompaniment, if that would help, and I'll do that with other videos in this series.
EOR and EOC are not mislabelled at all. They are different than falling and rising gates. If EOC was only high during the rising stage then you wouldn’t be able to use it as a gate inverter as it wouldn’t go high after the signal went back to zero, which is exactly what EOC means and does
Please make more of these, although there are many, your way of explanation is easier for my alternative school education, crossword puzzles for English class education level. In no way am I exaggerating my public school experience.