@@joshhackett6639 be honest. There’s no way you can take what he said to mean excommunicated and you know it. They willingly left the church of their own accord. Don’t spread lies
For those of you that aren't familiar with Mormon theology and some of the references Matty made. Dad was a High Deacon = The priesthood is separated into two parts, Melchizedek (typically adult men) and Aaronic (typically young men). Different offices of the priesthood within those orders. Deacon is an office of the Aaronic priesthood. So think Matty's dad might have been a High Priest and possibly a member of the Bishopric (the men who lead the congregation). Each congregation and area can have their own cultures so Matty said in his ward families of Bishopric members would sit near the front (this definitely was not the case in my ward growing up). More official policy would say no one calling or position inside the church is more important than another, but there definitely is a hierarchy. Men who are put in positions of authority are 'generally' seen as more responsible, dependable, and fitting with church culture (so kinda corporate-y and business like). Basically, Matty's family was in deep and devout. 3 Levels of Heaves = Celestial Kingdom (which has three levels within it), Terrestrial, and then Telestial. People can visit lower kingdoms, but can't visit higher. So this ends up being used a peer pressure tactic. "You don't want to sin because then you won't end up with your family, or you wouldn't want to split up your family would you?". Various criteria for what qualifies you for which kingdom. Everyone who lived on Earth will get an eternal body, but only those who attain the Celestial kingdom will live with God. Excommunicated vs leaving = Excommunication is definitely a thing, but pretty rare. Matty admits it's more likely they just left the church. It's hard to leave / Church knows a lot about you = For a long time this was seen as a myth until recently proven in the past decade or so. Church, especially in Utah, sometimes keeps tabs on people who leave. They also make it very hard to resign from the church and have your records removed. Ancestry is sort of a separate thing, and nearly impossible to remove from church records. 10% percent of your money to the church = Tithing. Every member is encouraged to give 10% of their income to the church. Even kids like Matty will be encouraged to give literally pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters off their allowance or chore money. Seen as a very good faith promoting. Stories will be shared of kids choosing to give money to the church over spending it on other things and how grateful they are for it. Didn't drink coke / didn't watch PG movies = This varies from family to family, generation to generation, and area to area. I never drank coke that much, but my mom routinely drinks diet coke. Used to be Mormon myth that coke cola was against the Word of Wisdom (religious doctrine regarding health, food, diet, etc.). My family you couldn't watch PG-13s until you were 13 and then even some of those were seen as not super moral. Rs were hard off limits (my mom did let us watch one about Helen Keller because she though it would be helpful for us to learn about it). Some families will only watch G movies or be more strict with what the eat. Once again shows that Matty's family was pretty devout. Underwear = Members who get "endowed" in Mormon temples wear special garments or underwear. Basically Biblical temple rituals (like washing and anointing in Exodus) mixed with Masonic stuff. The rituals have been changed over the years and are pretty "tame" now. Like back in the day for some of the rituals you would have gotten completely naked, then 30ish years ago they changed it to where you wore a big poncho but no underwear, then poncho and underwear, I think now they don't have you change your clothes at all. It's not AS creepy as some people make it out to be, but it's also not as religious and ceremonious as other rituals in other religions. Do you have to give the underwear back? The official policy is you are supposed to cut them up or burn them when they wear out so no one will find them and copy them. Kinda pointless if you ask me since you can just google and see what they look like. But, keep in mind it's a religion so it's about making things more ceremonious so they can have more meaning. Suppressing desires or repression / going all out when you leave = Definitely a thing. A lot of people grow up in the church with this super strict environment and once they leave they turn 180 degrees pretty quickly. There are benefits to growing up with strict adherence to a moral code, but part of the problem is if you give it up learning moderation and self-control with vices. So, a lot of people will probably learn from their parents how to moderate alcohol but some exmormons might struggle with it cause it's totally new to them. I've left the church now and never felt very repressed by the rules so I didn't go crazy when leaving. For health reasons I still don't drink alcohol, caffeine, or do drugs. If you are thinking about leaving the church my advice is to take things slowly. Don't pile on coffee, alcohol, sex, masturbation, R movies, etc all at once. Change one thing at a time and don't feel like you have to do things just because you're trying to be "normal" now. Alcohol is a drug, yes it is used socially a lot, but that doesn't mean you have to drink it. Go to counseling if you need it, make sure you have friends or family to support you.
Thank you for taking the time to clarify. I just wish people were more willing to verse themselves on subjects before jumping to conclusions based on ramblings of a guy who can’t even remember anything about it.
@@ratchet780 I am no longer a believing Mormon. While Joseph Smith's history is one of my reasons for leaving the church. I don't think your question is asked in good faith. The church in it's history used to deny he was ever convicted as a fraud. More recently they just explain it away. People believe in the church for a lot of reasons. They grew up that way, sunk cost fallacy, there friends and family are in the church, etc.
Thanks for writing this, coming from Utah it's stuff I can;t be bothered to explain generally but wish people knew. Sometimes I explain it like this: They are well meaning people and there are plenty of evangelicals that are WAY crazier in my opinion.
I would like to emphasize the importance of taking it slow. The last thing you want is to get pregnant with someone you don't really know, get an STD, learn that you have a strong tendency toward alcoholism, etc. because you were just being reactive. Do some research, ask yourself if this is something you legitimately are interested in or if it's simply a rebellious decision, and give yourself time to mull over it first. I left when I was in my 20's and already had a wife and kids so I never felt comfortable jumping into the deep end. Not to mention I intrinsically have a disdain for taking a very black and white approach to anything, so doing crap just because someone else told me not to still counts as letting someone else make my decisions. A big reason I started questioning in the first place was from being told too many times to accept that something was right, whether or not it felt right (or made sense) to me. But I feel like I'm in the minority with that because it feels like way too many people out there (Mormon or not) are just looking for someone else to tell them how to think.
@@tomboocock2108 literally most people list other reasons like censorship, not having spotify premium, no comments, the objectively worse UI for video. Most people also say good for Joe, getting that fat pay day. Also saying that "fans" can't hate something a creator does because there a "fan" is just a straight up smooth brain idea. 😂🤷🏽♂️
@@maiin0w most people say, censorship, not having spotify premium, no comments, objectively worse UI for video, to name a few. But on a grander scale it's more or less becoming a meme for some of the community "that would be the camp I'm in". So I'm not one to care to much but there are a few reasons people give. Thoughts?
I really wish Joe would have at least ONE actual member of the church on the podcast. I've heard the church brought up a few times now on his podcast and I wish he'd have someone on to just talk about it openly.
And millions duped into paying for extravagant "temples" only worthy can go inside of...oh and that 10% of your income to stay in good standing is your ticket for a ride that absolutely zero people can say even exists...
Coke is actually not specifically prohibited in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), although often people in the Church feel it's best to avoid
Really love the lack of hate when talking about the Mormon Church. I converted to it and I love it, and hey, for some it works and makes them happy, for some not, and it's all good! Our religion can seem pretty weird, admittedly so haha but their call outs on repression, great point.
You have to admit it's a little kooky/ borderline cultish, this coming from a non-denominational Christian. Especially since everyone basically knows at this point Joseph Smith was a wacko that literally tried to alter the Bible for his own benefit.
As a prior member of the LDS church this isn't the best representation of what happens when you leave. I left and they were sad to see me leave but never held information about me as leverage over me to get me to stay. He remembers the dogmatism but can't remember any of the reasoning behind it.
Been Mormon my entire life. Didn't know bishops families had front row access. What the heck man!? Also we can't drink Coke or watch Simpsons? This sucks
Grew up Mormon. Parents were one of those ultra Molly Mormons. Had the same experiences as him not being able to watch anything above pg and stupid shit like that. Glad I finally left though
I literally (not figuratively) said the words “no fucking way” the second I saw Matty made his way onto the JRE... this man is my spirit animal, and for the first time, I actually look forward to watching this on Spotify
@@geoffsaunderson5766 there is no possible way he’s on blow. A coke addict who took some bumps would never be able to sit down for a 2-3 hour podcast without running to the bathroom to take another bump every 15-20 minutes. So no he’s not on coke in this podcast
I grew up in the mormon church. Was baptized at 8, did all the Wednesday night stuff and Sunday school stuff. And like what was previously stated, not all wards are the same. The one I grew up in was small but for the most all good people. Always helping everyone they could. Around age 15 I started to get into skating and drugs and music. Told my mom fuck that shit and just stopped going. Guess I'm technically still a member since I've never been excommunicated officially. Everything this dude is talking about, I've seen, been a part of, it's all so odd to me now.
I can remember sitting there at like 10-11 years of age and thinking “I don’t belong here” As soon as I was old enough to stop going, I never looked back. My moms still a member but she’s cool about it. She’s not one of those weird Mormons lol she drinks soda like a mf
@@LKT1215 yeah my moms super cool now, let's me enjoy smoking a bowl or two, shredding some probably obnoxious sounding guitar, just whatever lol...she grew to respect what I'm passionate about and in turn I respect hers as well and it's pretty cool being able to just burn and play and hang with the family like this ever since
Matty’s vibe is not matching up with joes vibe, they click once in a while but it just feels like Matty is too hyped about being on JRE and joes just like chillin letting Matty get the energy out lol 😂
Very few people understand that the Mormon church does a lot of social services for people in their church and also the communities. Several times in my childhood they gave my family food and financial help. The tithing is actually effectively used.
@@claytonkickflip7595 pretty much every religion is but in the end I look at what they do and I’m sure most people who want to rag on the Mormon church do little to nothing and want to judge the world from their own high horse. So keep being a negative person and let my know how happy you are in 20 years.
@@williamjones8414 There is a huge difference between being negative or unhappy and realizing the insanity of a belief that wishes to sculpt people’s lives and take their money.
@@BillyTheKidAudit take a psychology class. Children believe whatever they're told. And why wouldn't that be the case. Everyone's born knowing nothing including not knowing what lies are or how to critically think. Children eventually turn into adults who are free to do whatever they want. Most adults will just do what they were taught as children.
@@BettyWhite2171 10% of everything I earned. Even when I was a child. My grandparents give 20% of their paychecks. Even when I got birthday money they expected me to pay tithing.
Love the talk of the mormon church. Grew up in it myself. It is a wild bubble you get put in. Very tough being out of it and still living in the mormon state as well. Even as an adult. That church has a very tight grip for sure
I grew up in Utah & I will never forget being over at a girls house with my buddy& the dad rolled in to tell us it was late & we had to leave. He was wearing nothing but those underwear ensembles. They are incredibly see thru, it was a rather uncomfortable encounter.
you lying bro, you wear garments over your under wear and clothes, its a thin white silk under shirt or boxers, its not underwear lmaoooo, also I live in Lehi you talking about abby remond? lol
@@michaelseeker9680 lmao you dumb, you’re wearing it cuz it’s cumfy, not for god it’s just to go over your bra & underwear so you know all family’s are equal & not wearin shit to impress, it’s like Sunday best where erry one is in the same attire and you know it, lol you rlly worked up over a god fam
@@444dre6 I know what it is bro...I lived that life for almost 20 years. This guy was free ballin in his Mormon garments & they were 100% see thru in that light. My buddy, myself & the dudes daughter all got a show. What benefit is it to myself to make this up?
@@jeffreyrobert3342 ya I’m from Vancouver and got the opportunity to visit Toronto for 5 nights, and i stumbled in there not knowing it was Matty Mathesons from Vice 😅, been itching to travel back to Toronto just to eat these burgers again
Ya know, I grew up Mormon as well, and most of my family is still very active (I left it over 20 years ago) and this was not my experience at all. I think it all depends on how staunch and zealous ypur parents are. My parents made me go to church, yes. But when it was over, it was over. I could drink a mtn dew and watch Simpsons all day if I wanted. I still love most of the people in my parents ward because they are genuinely great people who don't judge or preach, and just believethe church is what'sbest for their lives. . You really can't base how an entire religion is based off of one person's story. I left the church many years ago, but I would never say anything bad about it.
Apparently Matty never read the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants. Not written by 14 yr old Joseph Smith translated later from writings of prophets in the American continent just as the Bible was translated. The Bible had been copied many times.
I feel like the way that he described it doesn’t do justice to what it’s actually like. I’m Mormon and part of the church. I’m sure his experience could be the experience of others but I would say that’s like less than 1% of people. My parents weren’t ever like that. I could slam mountain dews and watch simpsons all day. That not part of the doctrine or preachings but rather the way that his parent wanted to live out what they believed at the time. It’s a lot less “culty” than you’d expect.
One thing JRE has taught me that people are way more interesting than we expect them to be. First kudos to Mr Joe "DMT" Rogan for inviting and having awesome conversations. Secondly please come back to RU-vid.
Big Joe Rogan fan here. I like Matty a lot too. It's kinda funny he was on the JRE literally right after Action Bronson was like when Action did his cooking show on Vice and then Matty came in right after Bronson left.
If Joseph Smith made it up when he was 14 then he must have been a genius. I don't think there are many 14 year old kids out there that could write the Book of Mormon.
Especially with all of the correlations with the archaeological evidence they're discovering about ancient America, etc. The problem is, nobody bothers to actually look into any of it themselves, they just believe the sensationalized propaganda they read on the internet.
They may have changed some details of their data but it’s highly unlikely they were removed from the archives. The COLS have the largest genealogical library/archive on earth inside of Granite mountain in Utah. They are definitely still in it.
Anybody who believes in mormonism is almost as stupid asa scientologist. And once you're in their data base youll never be out of it. Also if you ever used a genealogy website, you gave all the info to the mormon church. Theyre VERY sinister and evil
If anyone wants to be "stricken" of the book, the trash comes on Tuesdays where I live. I don't know what this guy is talking about, and if you want to see those deep dark secrets they have on your family, just go to FamilySearch.org. It's like Ancestry, but free. They've got census records and sometimes people put pictures of their grandparents on there... super dark!
I also grew up hard-core Mormon. No caffeinated drinks or PG-13 movies. Thought that evolution and homosexuality were evil etc... I envy this guy. I wish my parents left when i was a child instead of figuring it out as an adult.
I attended a Mormon College. Trust me when I tell you they don't believe that evolution is evil. At least not a professor I had. He said let people go one day without the benefits of organic evolution, and the modern conveniences it provides us, they will quickly change their mind!
@@faze_chebbz well this clip was about this guy who is an ex-mormon who grew up in the church. So you'd care if you watched the video. If you didn't care, then why are you here?
The records the Church has are records like birth, baptism, where you’ve lived, served you mission and things like that. It’s just record keeping then like, “We know all your secrets and will blackmail you with it!” It also helps your local church congregation keep in touch with you.
Active mormon here. That was hilarious to listen to. It is funny how kids wear glasses and see the world in odd colors. And the stereotypes that people use is funny. I might have to listen to this episode. I'd love to have a discussion with Joe on Mormonism. That would be fun. Elk hunting too. It would be fun to show people how impressive and unique elk are. How much personality they have.
@@JohannesWOW Why don't you zip up your pants and put your tape measure away. I really don't care about your ego. That is your personal problem to go work through.
I grew up Mormon too and my whole family is still very active. I've tried for YEARS to leave the church officially, and they refuse to kill my record. You literally need a lawyer to officially leave the church. Matty is 100% correct.
Lol they can't FORCE you to go to church... If you decide you want out, don't go !! What are they gonna do? Send some Mormon ninjas to your house to capture you & drag you into church??
You actually just have to write a letter and that's it. Not quite sure how people come up with all this stuff. Of course, somebody will try to have a conversation with you because it is a massive process if people ever wanted to come back, but if you are certain then it's truly not a big deal. I've seen it done several times.
You can leave officially without having your record removed. They are allowed to keep records of what happens in their organization. Removing all of your records is like forcing them to pretend you were never there Which isn’t true. Don’t act like they didn’t allow you to stop being a member.
I’m an ex Mormon too and this is all bringing back so many memories😂😂😂. I love this. It’s true the Mormon church knows everything about it’s members it’s so scary. That’s one reason why I left among so many other crazy creepy cult things.
I was also brought up Mormon and also left the church in my twenties (currently 31 and doing medical school because I'm a crazy SOB). I have to say this segment was hilarious, Matty seems like a really great guy who is 100% adding value to society through his art. I'm not sure though that Matty is the best guy to comment on the nuances of the LDS church if he can't even remember Joseph Smith's name lol. He got some stuff correct, but he either doesn't understand some key components and teachings of the church, or is intentionally trying to distance himself from them by pretending not to understand them (which is human nature of course). In spite of the fact that I don't agree with many of the teachings of the church, I feel compelled to say that of those in the church who live it and love it, you will never meet a finer group of people. They render all kinds aid and feed countless people throughout the world through their humanitarian efforts. The church doesn't extort you for money, nor do they blackmail you if you want to leave or force you to appear before a "tribunal" for people having children out of wedlock; the entire time I was a member I was free to do whatever I wanted. In fact, the freedom to choose is a key teaching of the LDS church. I would certainly not label the church as a cult, they are a religious group like any other, they just have a bomb recruiting department in which they have invested heavily (the missionaries). The missionaries are super nice kids. if you ever feel the need to beat the shit out of any of them, I'd say that's more a problem with you than with them, because they are--for the most part--very respectful of boundaries. They do believe some wacky things, but I would say that they are not even close to being in the same lane as scientology. I personally don't think it matters what religion you belong to so long as you love your nieghbor and treat everyone with respect and dignity. Much love from Pennsylvania.
My mentally unstable sister got exed for a baby out of wedlock. She even married the loser but still exed. It was the 80s and the church ran high on fueled SHAME. It wouldn't THINK of doing that now.
Gavin, very respectful comments. I have been on both sides of this argument. Born and raised Southern Baptist, converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and for the last few years stepped away from all religion. I respect those who practice a religion, and live my life as someone who honors Christ.
I agree with this comment. I do not believe Mormonism is true, but Mormons tend to be nice people. There are some things in Mormonism that some make sense , but their culture seems to be one of honesty and friendliness. I think Mormonism in the 20th century mellowed a lot and became (on the outside) more like mainstream Christianity in that, day-to-day, you’re just supposed to read your Bible and not be a jerk. Edit: “don’t make sense” not “some make sense”
For those curious, he’s referring to what’s is called “have your records removed”. In the mormon church, the only way to be 100% out, is you have to request all your records, because they do keep records on you like address who you married what their maiden names was etc., be removed from their keep. Its the final step in leaving as you’re basically telling them delete all info they have on you so they can’t contact you to try and reconvert you. It’s not being excommunicated because you are telling the church you want out, excommunication is the other way around.
@@sweetcheeks5775not really. The church will follow you and continue to try and send missionaries to get lapsed members to return. My wife was baptized Mormon as a kid and they follow us everywhere we go.
it’s hard to get records out of the church bc if you don’t do it through local bishopric (which is awkward) they send ur request to their law firm ‘kirton mcconky’ who draws out the process over many months in order to dissuade you from following through with it. they want to keep the membership numbers up even if ppl aren’t actually attending
I was born into the church--- with all of the restrictions & fears of the outside world. I got married at 18 and had NO CLUE how the real world operated. I was a scared lost little girl--- personally that bloody church ruined my life
Matty seems like a great guy. But the fact that he doesn't even know Joseph Smith's name should be enough to tell you he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about, lol. I'm an active Mormon, and I do encourage my kids to give 10% of their earnings to those in need. I feel it teaches generosity and empathy.
@@GwopUpEnt Sometimes yes, other times my kids want to buy things for classmates or friends. If they want to donate it to the church, that is fine too. We let them choose how they want to give their money. The principle of tithing is to uplift and bless the lives of those around you.
I'm assuming the 10% is for tithing? So the 10% tithing is used more for church infrastructure like maintaining churches and temples, something the church already has plenty of money to do. Now fast offerings, which is another type of tithing and optional, is for helping people. I was pretty disappointed when I left the church and learned all my tithing wasn't going to help people in need. Personally I think *if* Jesus comes back he's going to be flipping tables in those decadent Mormon temples.
I enjoy these two guys. Much love! I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to any religion, but it doesn’t mean that Matty’s feelings are invalid. Also, a RU-vid comment section is not the best way to debate over religion. 😂
@@ShekdaSnek Please point to the section of the word of wisdom that forbids the drinking of soda. Or the section that says those who have children out of wedlock should or shall be excommunicated. These things do not exist! If you have been warned off of soda that is down to your parents, and if you have children out of wedlock you will be set on the repentance path to recover from it. The only thing hinted at in the video is that some LDS communities go overboard and start socially enforcing their own ideas however as we have full agency it is not for the church to punish only to lovingly correct according to scripture. If leadership are saying or doing things that go against the lords gospel that is a different and more serious matter, leadership members who participate in inequity are removed from the leadership.
@@sookmahroot My point is that these experiences are relatable, not necessarily enforced. Point to where the word of wisdom forbids coffee? tea? it allows for consumption of strong drinks and tobacco if you actually read it...but try to admit to consumption any of those things and they will keep you out of the temple, which is required for the CK. People who claim to be prophets, seers and revelators have strongly discouraged caffeinated beverages and movies with certain adult themes. Most members tend to take that stuff seriously, even if you don't. Those types of attitudes contribute to the "spirit of the law" or "Mormon culture" or whatever you want to call it. Im not gonna sit here and split interpretational hairs with you, but if you don't think his experience is indicative of a considerable portion of Mormon upbringings, you're either lying to yourself or don't really know that many Mormons.
@@ShekdaSnek You will find these in D&C Chapter 89 versus 5-9. Modern revelation has taught us that when hot drinks are referred to they mean Tea and Coffee. I also never said I don't follow the word of Wisdom or take is seriously... I absolutely do with every ounce of effort I can bring to muster. I do understand why many who don't understand the principle behind it may take issue with it however being that I was not born in the church I very much realise through lived experience the goodness behind the word. The reason our lord has revealed the word of wisdom to us is so that we may move closer to him and have a stronger bond with the Holy Ghost, we are not forced to follow the word of wisdom however if you like me have felt the Holy Ghost in your life you would do anything righteous to keep feeling that bond and strengthen it. You are right about us not being able to go to the Temple if we are not being worthy, however the Temple is an earned privilege; not a right. Not being Temple worthy will never result in excommunication, that is reserved for only the most egregious sins and almost always only because there has been no commitment to repentance for the aforementioned egregious sins. You are not correct about me not knowing many LDS members; I am actually an Elder and proudly Temple worthy. As I said before, I recognise there are those in the community who do over step. What I reject though is the implication that this is the fault of the Church, it's leadership, or the lords gospel. Nobody who walks this earth now, before, or to come is perfect save our lord Jesus Christ; he who was without sin yet died so that we might have the chance to earn our salvation through righteousness.
I love seeing the double standards. It's perfectly fine to openly make fun of Mormonism and Christianity but it's absolutely racist and abhorrent to say anything remotely challenging against Islam... Cowardice.
I drove past the Mormon temple in Cole Harbour about an hour ago. Beautiful building, well, kind of gaudy, but super weird religion. A teammate of mine on my high-school football team was part of a huge Mormon family. He was such good kid, but he was incredibly sheltered and ill-informed.
@@McKayLove Sure, if one looks at it through their God colored glasses after a lifetime of indoctrination, they are not nearly as culty as the Manson family, or the heaven’s gate cult, but still culty and irrational.
'Mormon' here. Will explain a few things. I used to be the Assistant Membership Clerk so I know a bit about records. In order to formally leave the church you have to write them a letter requesting that your records be removed. Why? First off let's start with what records? Generally just DOB (think Baptism, what age group, etc), gender, contact information, including address. It's also so that fellow members can know what your address is. There is something called 'home/visiting' teaching where your supposed to go help someone out once a week. Also so the missionaries know where you are, members often feed them. Sometimes a record is 'annotated'. Only the Bishop can see this. The clerk may surmise that a record is annotated, because when they are trying to pull the record it doesn't come as fast or naturally as the others. I always assumed an annotated record was for things like "hey this guy beat his wife, is a pedophile, convicted of aggravated assault, etc'. I think the records can be annotated about other behaviors considered serious. Yeah, we are a pretty conservative bunch so sleeping around, drug use, etc may fall under that category. Key Word is 'MAY'. Why do I say this? Because church service is all voluntary and is obviously not always applied consistently. Also sometimes people will say apply for a mission under one bishop, get rejected, then go to another and get sent off without doing all the claimed things. It happens. The Ward I was in would have about 150 people attend every Sunday. 600 on the rolls total. There was a core group of say 100 people there every day, probably about another 50 or so there pretty often. Another 50 or so would come in occasionally. People come out of the woodwork though for Christmas and other holidays. Let's say 1/3 active. 1/3 passive members, 1/3 inactive. The church is often criticized about it's record keeping. Many people join for a time or leave over time and assume their absence communicates that they left. Then someone shows up years later, and their like wtf! I get it. But often times, those people are either still members, or their faith and activity in formal church services is just not the stereotype. We do have very distinct believes, and I feel like it's generally a mistake for people when analyzing any religious group to think in such black and white terms. The church not have a problem with people who disagree with them. Nor is that an accurate way for anyone to view religious people. These things are not easy to sort out. I think the single biggest mistake people make within 'Mormonism' is falling into black and white thinking, and not accepting that any grey areas. i.e. some kid in Idaho doesn't know to use google, finds Joseph Smith was a bigamist (which really isn't accurate when look into it, i.e. he fathered no illegitimate kids) then questions his whole reality. Meanwhile, his brother is super uptight, thinks the story of Er and Onan in the Old Testament has to do with Masterbation, when even BYU-Idaho Professors will teach it's about Levirate Marriage. . . The Church Cult, and the Anti-Cult are just as retarded as Matty.
I think he's talking about Nauvoo, IL and Carthage, IL when he mentions the hill and the jail where Joseph Smith died... I live so near to there and it is a very surreal place. My uncle always stops in when he's back to get a t-shirt from the mormon gift shop that says 'I
I think the Mormons have the largest ancestral/genealogy library on earth. They actually have a giant mountain vault called Granite Mountain were like almost 3 million rolls of microfilm with, it’s been a while since I saw information on it, like 3 or 4 billion pictures of family records. The place is a literal giant granite mountain and underground base.
My moms side of the family were Mormon early in her life but left around the time she finished high school mid 80’s. To this day they still send her a yearly letter or something of the sort.
I was raised Mormon up until a couple years ago and I can totally relate to never having a can of coke thing as well as that “once they let go of the reins” comment it’s safe to say hiding a child from all the dangers of the world is a sure fire way for them to eventually indulge in them I went from never having a cup of coffee a day in my life to doing oxycodone and xanax my freshman year of high school
Mormons aren't weird like scientology. The way Matty told Rogan makes it sound super distorted. The only thing that can make being a mormon weird is if your parents are weird and don't understand the church. Everything is optional and it's up depending how much you want to get out of it. You don't have to pay tithing. If anyone leaves the church the church doesn't blackmail you or bother you and the church doesn't teach parents to disown their children but just the opposite to love them just the same and without pushing it hoping they might come back some day. I've seen a lot of religions and Mormons are the nicest i know and i know there are some places where you can have a bad experience if your parents or some leaders take it too serious and even seem culty but if that was your experience trust me the church doesn't teach or approve any of that. And when he said they got a lot of shit on you he just meant that they only have your name and birthday on records and in the 90's it migh have taken some time to get your information out of their records. Not that they have videotapes or "shit" on you and will use them against you :) And when he was talking about his sisters "tribunal" it's really just that the local bishop talks to like a friend and they have a conversation about the situation and if the church member is doing something that is against the princibles that you need to be a full member then he/she will lose their temple recommend and the bishop might tell he/she to not have sacrament at church. And that is not to push them out of the church but they are just as welcome. Like for example if i started using heavy drugs my bishop might talk to me saying we understand it's difficult and we want to support you but for the time being you can't go to the temple or have sacrament. Everyone would still love that i visit church on sundays and they would make sure to ask me if i am getting help with my problem. And that's it. And he was talking from 20 years ago with memories from before he was 12.
Joe Rogan: I’m a good person I’m a socialist. Joe Rogan: ugh...(disgusted about people voluntarily giving up 10% of their wealth to their Church so they can take care of people in your community)