What I found most interesting about Harada's last comments is how he mentioned that it's kind of sad for him and his team at Namco that Tekken is the only major 3D fighting game on the market, the last Virtua Fighter came out 19 years ago, the last Dead or Alive game was a failure for Tecmo, and Namco's own Soul Calibur VI, while well received, didn't revive the series as they hoped. It's kind of weird how 2D fighters, like SF, MK, KOF, GG, are still being made, but Tekken is the only 3D fighter
True, proof that it's hard to maintaining 3d fighting game for the long period time if they don't creative enough for what the best things to catching most player's attentions.
Tekken itself almost died with tag 2 and Harada had to beg to make Tekken 7 with a lower budget. In a slightly different timeline there would be 0 3d fighters.
That might change with Virtua Fighter 6 on the way but honestly a new VF sounds rough (as much as I love those games) as the characters are nothing unique or interesting and the gameplay is pretty dated. Fighting games need single player content to sell and a story mode but VF has none. Soul Calibur definitely could’ve fulfilled all criteria’s but they didn’t have the budget to go all the way with the rpg weapon master mode.
@@RYOKUBE I just think it's actually pretty weird that there's not a new 3D fighting game on the market aside from Tekken, and I think that I should clarify that by 3D Fighter, I mean games that follow some of the rules set by the original Virtua Fighter, that usually include a side-step mechanic, some feature a ring-out, other have interactive stages, etc. After the release of Virtua Fighter it seemed 3D Fighters would become the default genre, with other games like Tekken, Dead or Alive, Bloody Roar, Battle Arena Toshinden, Soul Calibur, Ergheiz, Bushido Blade, etc. Even other companies like SNK experimented in the genre with games like Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition, Samurai Shodown 64, Buriki One and KoF: Maximum Impact. But it seems that after the release of Street Fighter IV, other companies realized they could keep making 2D Fighters in 3D graphics, which technically already existed in the 90s with games like Street Fighter EX, but companies like Netherrealm, ArcSys and SNK successfully transitioned to 3D development while maintaining a 2D game play. I think the issue with 3D Fighters is that they require a lot more of resources, especially when it comes to movesets and stages. There's even more Platform and Arena Fighters compared to 3D ones
3d fighters still makes people feel weird at a first glance, we got so much reference in movies, comics, manga(etc..) of 2d fighting games, usually some guy in a Gi doing a upper and a big K.O on the screen, that image is just very well received and easy to process for people, the thing about 3d fighters is that there are so many things that comes to our minds when thinking about it, there isn't just a simple way to put it compared to 2d. For example when I think of Tekken, the most stereotypy image that comes to my mind is Jack-5 doing a chest flex pose or a very flashy electric with heihachi hair and his classic jeans Gi with the tiger face on the back
I feel like I Chipotle is part of the sponsorship, then it's going to be Coca-Cola, instead of Pepsi, since that brand is found in Chipotle restaurants.
I don't think people didn't want him back, but it's how he was brought back. Heihachi could have been included in the base game. Fans could have gotten a unique character as DLC.
from a story standpoint (even for tekken standards) it wouldn't make sense T8 takes the Jin and Kazuya to new stakes with Heihachi gone and Kazuya weeding out the biggest thorn in his life, him being in the base roster being alive and well would've dampened that. So now we got the Jin vs Kazuya story and now we get the mf Heihachi who can't die
I'm just pertaining to the roster. He can still be in the base game and not included in the story mode. If there's a need to include him in the story so they'll have a reason why to include him in the base game, he can be added as a flashback in the story mode.
Honestly I can somewhat excuse, Heihachi surviving Tekken 7. Man survived being thrown off a cliff, getting blown up, and being burning underground unconscious for 6 months. At this point being dropped into a volcano isn't that surprising it's like an average Sunday for him. Would I preferred he died? Of course but am I shocked he didn't? Not really.
You know max, its because of you i started playing rank in fighting games. You made it look fun, you gave great advices. Now im purple rank in tekken 8, first time touching the online of a game and im proud of it
Tekken fans are confusing. They got tired of playing Tekken 7 but when Tekken 8 came out so much different they complained that it wasn't like Tekken 7 in a lot of ways.
@colinmarshall9155 That's the complaint, really? If the hardcore elitists are so good at the game and hate casuals, casual players should be completely irrelevant to them and easy to deal with. I always go back to what I'm always saying. "Just ignore them and stop hating on new / casuals. The constant hate and gatekeeping does nothing but drive players away."
in the core of things, tekken was always a very defensive game compared to mvc and such. and t8 being too rewarding for offensive play is what upset us fans. but honestly it is more popular this way. so we have to move on and maybe sometime, someone will make a game that will fill the void that old tekken left.
nah you can do that in a month if you have a great team. 2 months with a good team. 4 months with an average team and 6 months if you're just clocking in.
@@RockingtheRaikou a-team don't work on videogames. they work meta,google,apple 500k base comp. you see c and d team guys at videogame companies, with handfuls of a's and b's. piratesoftware is A-tier quality - there are very few greats in videogames. if you're any good you make so much more at the big 3 or joining a hft firm. i heard japanese dev quality is different, they have very good people working for nothing but that's not the US at all source. i need nothing from you
Feel like people forget that tekken 7 was cooking for 3 years before it was released to consoles/pc. its only been 6 months since tekken 8's release. give it time people.
Same thing happened when SF6 dropped, people started glazing SFV like it wasn’t an awful game at launch that almost killed the franchise. Time is a flat circle.
I got to play vanilla day 1 arcade Tekken 7 and maaaan it was as barebones as you can imagine. The end of 7 it was an entirely different fighting game, and 8 will likely be similar in that sense.
Heihachi and Bison should have skipped a game, including their DLCs. if you can't even commit to that bare minimum than don't bother "killing" off your characters next time.
@@zynux8252 dude who gives a shit about 'lore' in a fighting game. Dumbest shit ever. Heihachi is iconic and his omission felt bad. Now he's coming back it's gonna make them a lot of money and make people happy. You're in a serious minority here lol.
Max got one of the best YT intro out there fr. I recently did went back to T7 because TMM said: "just spend a few hour on the T7 now see how it feel" and IT SUCKS. LOL Really thankful to Harada for T8 and the game has been out only for half a year and its still growing getting better.
Focusing on bringing back Tekken characters and making OCs over messing around with licensing and guests would be such a power move. Especially now that they're aware that people miss old characters. Hell yeah, I hope that's their plan.
@@mikev8746 Except it might be. Teaming up with brands for various sponsorships (Chipotle, Nike, etc.) and items is expensive enough. Who's to say they want to focus on that instead of crappy guests? Plus, they're aware people miss old, legacy characters. Their time is much better spent on those and OCs than faffing around with licensing.
So they split Heihachis moveset to Reina and Kuma and still bring him back. I like Heihachi, he’s one of my five go to characters but they’ve completely stuffed with the emotional impact of what 7 represented. What happened to Harada saying that 8 was meant to signify the end and start focusing on other characters stories? They could’ve made him comeback for tag 3. I’ll still enjoy playing Heihachi but it’s very confusing communication with the fan base and where the story is headed
I don't know why but I never understood how combo worked in 7, I would mostly play like a grappler but the system in T8 makes it so easy and fun to lab combos
Still have yet to check out Tekken 7 which I got the whole game on a massive sale. Perhaps then I will check out Tekken 8, looks super fun from all the trailers and gameplay I’ve seen on this channel. ❤
It is light on Single Player content[not as much as Soul Calibur V or as irritating as DOA6]. And there’s this annoying Photographer in the Tekken 7 story mode that ruins the mode just by existing and talking. I even remember people were worried when Leo’s long lost father was teased for Tekken 8’s story appearance and they thought it was photograph-kun.
Just fyi, Tekken 8 does have a free Demo as well if you want to try that out. There are quite a lot of people who could never get into T7, but T8 just kind of clicked with. Though I'd put part of that down to their Arcade Quest tutorial being pretty intuitive. Certainly eases people into what to do easier than T7 does. Was what convinced me to get T8 myself despite not getting into T7 at all.
20:11 I felt this so much I’ve been a huge tekken fan since a kid my first tekken was Tekken 3 and Tag 1 I had it when I was like 8 im 25 gonna be 26 soon I didn’t get back into Tekken until Tag 2 and I played it like CRAZY but I sucked at the game and got cooked cuz I didn’t understand the bound mechanic back then I got Tekken 7 back in like 2017 changed my main to Jin and got cooked like crazy never really got high in ranked cuz people left so much and I just wasn’t that good and it made me really not have fun online I still played it a lot cuz I love Tekken I said all of that to say Tekken 8 is the first game for me where it’s just fun to play like idk how to explain it the experience is just amazing people still leave like crazy and all those same tactics are there but the game experience just feels great I’ve had maybe 10 matches that were unplayable due to connection since release the game is just amazing the story the stages the way it plays its been a while since I was this excited to play a fighting game every day
16:40 I still wish we could've played that version in one of the betas. Would be cool to have the old heat system as an option in private/local matches
Thank you for creating Soul Calibur 5 specifically, Harada. It introduced the only female fighting game character I ever loved and mained. Her soul lives on through my continued fan adaptions.
I trusted that they would make a cool game worth playing and hated all the whining about the balance stuff. I thought it was good and them getting it mostly done with this last patch is a major achievement on it’s own. What I don’t really like / understand is the thinking behind the dlc. But as a capoeira fan and former practitioner I appreciate they put the effort into updating Eddie’s animations and moveset. I hate fighting him still / but he looks dope
T8 was my first Tekken, I love the game and was really enjoying playing Raven. Slowly wait times for a match became 5+ minutes for me, then I started having to accept wifi matches which all lag badly. That began to completely kill the game for me, unfortunately.
8:59 “To answer this question, we would like to officially reveal the fourth DLC fighter of Tekken 8. A gorilla with a rocket launcher. Her name is Peanut”.
@Maximilian_Dood A lot of old school Tekken gamers from Tag-4-5-6-Tag2-7 eras, that i know have left Tekken scene after 8. I'm not talking about your pro tournaments players, but my casual local Tekken fan community. It got new blood too but it is so noticeable Tekken 8 is not the old school game anymore. Tekken 7 tried to kinda hold the torch for it. And yes most of those players moved forward to other games but then on a lot of players are still in FGC! I guess Tekken 8 is the Smash Ultimate now that what it is was to Smash Melee for Tekken series. Tekken 8 is no longer game for me it just changed too much and the way how there is no more Character roles hurts it so much. I can still enjoy Offline modes like the Story but other than that. It's pretty much a dead game for me.
I have been watching max for YEARS, but my first time playing a fighting game was 1.05 tekken 8 lol - so yeah, sometimes we watch fighting games with no interest in playing
