Max rips Mark McGwire for PED comments: 'It's so obnoxious' | First Take | ESPN 

ryan always picked him, always hit homers with him

pablo sanchez is the GOAT

Always had Pete wheeler in the leadoff spot

ryan FACTS. Sammy was better though

Not better than Pablo

No. The corked bat was in 2003.

B.R. Smith lol comment fail but hey you tried and we get the gist. It’s sad that the late 90’s were focused on those cheaters instead of fully being on Griffey Jr. He wasn’t being downplayed but it still overshadowed his amazing (steroid free) seasons.

@West Texas Rain I think the TV show mythbusters did an episode about it. The improvement was negligible at best when compared to a regular bat.

All corking a bat does is make it lighter...which would slightly improve bat speed getting it through the zone quicker, but does nothing to allow the ball to pop off of it any better than a stock bat. Fact is, being capable of swinging a heavier bat will result in farther homeruns as you’re delivering more mass into the ball.

OG Bobby Knuckles Agreed on Griffey. His numbers are rarely talked about and he achieved them purely on his natural ability. Further proof that he was clean was that he went through the natural decline as he aged and suffered injuries. Griffey wasnt popping 50+ HR’s in his late 30’s like several others. My idol was Mark McGwire....started following him in the middle of his rookie year in ‘87 (I was 16). I still admire him and feel that his main benefit was indeed being able to play enough games in a season to hit those totals, but they certainly helped his performance. He was easily around 270lbs in those final years at 6’5”.....not the 250 he claims. I’m an “enhanced” bodybuilder at 5’10” and 245lbs.....no way he was only 5lbs heavier than me, lol.

outside of boxing, baseball's probably the only other sport he knows quite a bit about. and this another rare time I agree with him.

how can someone be an expert in boxing but never train?! lol i will say he knows alot more than these other bullshit analysts but it's not on breaking down techniques and stuff like that he's just more of a commentator.

there are plenty of people who don't train but know a lot about boxing what, are you talking about?

you must of overlooked the part where i said "expert" i get what you're saying but then he says a lot of dumb shit about fighting all the time, and you never hear him breaking it down step by step like a Paulie or a Roy Jones Jr

i overlooked it because the original comment said he's know quite a bit about boxing not that he's an expert, which is true he's not an "expert" but he does know a good bit about the sport because he's called fights for years and has been a fan for even longer. look up Lee Wylie if you want to see step by step breakdowns, and he doesn't claim himself to be an expert either, but he knows his stuff

Jose Canseco said the same, Mark wasn’t on steroids & they hit hrs in the A’s stadium which was the worse place to hit homeruns.

They also forget that baseball tested nobody for steroids until 2003. It's really stupid.

fr and imagine if he didnt miss so many games no doubt mark would have the most homeruns ever

@@DL-gv2es exactly

Imagine Ruth on Andro. He would have hit 900+ with multiple 70+ homer seasons.

Exactly. Now they have this rosin thing going on... they're desperate for views now

Though steroids have been banned in MLB since 1991, the league did not implement leaguewide PED testing until 2003. The lack of testing meant it was unlikely players using PEDs would get caught

King TV Channel 50 over the counter supplements...FOH the guy did nothing wrong

lol over the counter... so is the "bush plant" past over to me by an ailing grandmother with my "medicine" to puff puff pass.. lol BS

Thank you I can't believe people in St Louis make excuses for him over 98 it was fraud like nobody should celebrate it. Hes in the Cardinals HOF that's a disgrace.

King TV Channel 50 same, born and raised in STL, I find it disgusting how this guy who I cheered for early in my life cheated and keeps trying to justify it. He was clearly a product of PEDs.

The mlb would of let this go if the news never found out about the steroids. They where making so much money off of these guys.

This. Homeruns take skill. These people complaining about it have probably never stepped foot on the diamond.

Really I don’t think I knew that, Ima look that up

Save it to destroy it?

Exactly. If there is no rule against it, it isn't cheating. Not to mention we all knew he was taking stuff and cheered and supported anyway. Then look back from the future with this self righteous BS. 52-58-70-65 is the single greatest stretch of power hitting in MLB history, he did it FAIRLY, should be HOF

Why not?

Rafael Reyes did you watch baseball in the 90’s? Look at the statistics. It’s easy to see why.

Come on. He hit 70 and 65 homers in his mid 30s and never in his 20s? McGwire is a liar. Max is right. He might not have even been a starting positional player for an NL club unless that miraculous power spurt occurred. His career would have been limited to an AL DH if he didn't juice....maybe not even that. Pitching doesn't get that much better year by year. He cheated and became a legend.

@@thehinge bruh stfu u sound stupid af he hit 49 homeruns his rookie year bro he didnt need sterioids plus just cause he did roids doesnt mean it hits the ball for u lol

Mr Tops mcguire shouldnt be because he didnt impact his team at all except for his homeruns but bonds clemens, arod, manny ramierez, all were good before mcguires stats didnt change as max points out except his homerun total so mcguire is one of the only guys who shouldnt be

Cry

@@tylerbrown7527 omg 🤦🏻‍

“He cheated! They all did...” WRONG!! Ken Griffey Jr. was clean and still kept up with these juice heads.

Wait...Define "Cheating"? He never cheated...steroids were not against the rules while he played. Do you think that there aren't already guys in the hall of fame who never got caught for this? There was no testing until 2004.

Not even close

Not his Rookie year though. Jose said Mark was clean when he hit 49 homeruns.

note2owns BS. Prove it..

@@travisp5747 Is that hard to believe? Baseball players cheat, they will always look for an advantage.

hahahaha. Or maybe it will be Stanton.

Judge will probably have a shorter career as well

+Fat Rugged Stacks - Although with Judge he was already a freak of nature. He already came in bigger than Mark and other guys. He came in at 6'7 280 pounds. You have Lebron who is 6'8 260. One of these guys doesn't make sense.

Darryl Flinch Being that tall and that heavy, while playing outfield will likely destroy his knees. Usually you'd want someone like him at first or at DH to preserve his body. Most of his value comes from the bat either way. LeBron is the greatest athlete of all time and is one of the only exceptions to this I can think of. He's still going strong at that age when other guys have been declining for years

Problem with Judge is that baseball players decline more rapidly than basketball players because in baseball you rely on your speed/bat speed, and once that starts to decline, a lone swing like the one Judge has becomes longer, so he'll strike out even more. I'm a Yankees fans, but I don't see Judge sustaining his production past 30. The one big difference, is that he's actually very athletic for a guy so big, so hopefully I'm wrong.

Nick! You have proof of that or just anecdotal evidence?

watchful news you called me delusional but just admitted you had no proof. Let me teach you a new word. Irony. And you're right, who needs proof when accusing people of things? We should just pass off all of our unsubstantiated allegations as factual information. Nothing could go wrong with that right? You're dumb.

You kids need to go away like the dinosaur.

watchful news all of the ones you mentioned had failed a drug test so there was actual proof.

Definitely not a Reptilian it was a parotid gland orsaliva gland tumor. Over 2000 people are diagnosed with it every year. And the biogenisis thing was debunked by the guy whistleblower. His name was not on it. He said there were not major names outside of mlb players. Look up some facts sometimes.

Yea, Max is like, "but Canelo was knocking grown men out as a teenager." Hypocrite

@@flame-sky7148 to be transparent PED use is a much bigger deal in baseball because of its unmatched successes-full ness.

@@bondsgoat25 I don't know how much of a of "bigger deal" than a possible death that can occur in a boxing ring.

@@flame-sky7148 meaning the level of enchantment to ones performance Example no Boxer could become a great using PEDs such as a Sammy sosa did for example.

@@bondsgoat25 I don’t know when Sammy started using. It depends on your definition of good or “great”. Sosa was hitting 30 hrs and even had a 40hr season before the 1998 season.

Marko D shut your 10 year old ass up.

kanimo24 well if you add up 9 long years you lived so far, you get my age. Also don't reply back you are just wasting everyone's time

Marko D you're here on a sports video talkin bout baby ass pixar movies shut up kid

kanimo24 Well I told you not to reply but if you insist I'll explain it to you, since max and Stephen A are always arguing about everything, I wrote this comment as a joke on that also this is popular discussion recently on espn channel. Check it out on their recent videos, there is no need to call someone a kid just because you have different sense of humour and need to offend people over the Internet

Woody should have used roids, mr incredible did 😂

You're an idiot. The revenue for MLB is through the roof, and past two WS had higher ratings than the past two NBA Finals.

Ray N They're hitting more home runs now than before. MLB did what they probably should've done long ago and juiced the balls. They constantly deny it but it's so obvious. I don't know how you can say it's more boring now.

would you agree that it did help save baseball when sammy and mark were going back in forth?

Right because guys like Trout, Harper, Bryant, Machado, Altuve, Judge, Stanton, Ohtani, Kershaw, Scherzer, and all of these guys are “boring”. The MLB set a new season record for home runs last year but that’s “boring”. Stanton, Judge, and Bellinger were raking last season but that’s “boring”. Kershaw, Scherzer, Sale, and Kluber we’re dominating but that’s “boring”. The Cubs and Indians along with the Astros and Dodgers just had 2 of the 10 greatest World Series of all time but that’s “boring”.

The Archduke you are a bitch how you just gonna call that man a idiot boy this internet give you balls huh The game Was more exiting with Bonds. Sosa and McGwire far more exiting that's just facts.

True. But if you already have the skills to hit a baseball, PED's will make you hit the ball harder and further. Barry was still the best player in baseball even when Mark and Sammy were juicing in '98. I know everybody has opinions about this but as far as I'm concerned Barry is the greatest player in the history of MLB.

Brandon Conforto No. They were talking about 1987, the year McGwire first hit 40. Dawson played for the cubs and I believe won NL MVP.

No it's was labeled a PED/steroid at least a decade ago.

LOL..... go eat some steak in Mexico and check if you got anything...

Darryl flinch you know how many Mexican fighters there are and haven't ever tested positive?! lol ALOT and tell me why the second test was TEN TIMES higher than the first one LOL He know my boy Triple G got that strong fucking neck keeping that big ass head stable

+ryan - I already proved you wrong on your other comment. "Eichner had added, "Further investigation is needed to make a final determination," on the matter because Alvarez's Feb. 17 positive sample contained such a higher level than the positive sample collected on Feb. 20." www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-boxing-golovkin-canelo-commission-20180321-story.html BTW - GGG is smart in saying and talking shit. Mayweather did that to Pac. He kept saying to Pac you cheater. Having Alex Ariza in his camp for 5 years and Freddie Roach is like. I didn't know what juice Alex was giving Pac. But it took 5 years for Roach to fire Ariza LOL. It's a MIND game. Mayweather did it and GGG is doing a good job at saying how Canelo whole team is a cheat. Even though there is a good chance that it was contaminated meat.

Darryl lmfao the only thing you proved is that i was right in thinking you're a fucking idiot.. you just keep repeating what they commission said which they HAVE to cause of DUE PROCESS fuck head they have to do a full investigation before the can just call him a cheat! Plus boxing is corrupt as fuck anyway obviously they were still trying to go on and they were still promoting and selling fucking tickets hey tell Oscar to quit leaving coke rings around your butt hole!

ryan - I believe you have a reading comprehension problem! You're the idiot because I came with facts and you came with an opinion. Once again you're wrong! YOU said: That meat story is bullshit buddy his second test came back TEN TIMES HIGHER THAN THE FIRST ONE. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF????? Prove your statement. IF you can't then you LOST! I posted this while backing up my FACTS! "The first positive sample, collected Feb. 17, was 10 times greater than the second sample taken Feb. 20. Both levels were described as "low" by one expert." www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-boxing-canelo-pugmire-20180327-story.html www.ringtv.com/530474-canelo-alvarez-tests-positive-for-clenbuterol-ahead-of-ggg-rematch-lab-suspects-contaminated-meat/ Maybe you do have a reading comprehension problem! Maybe you should read it again: "The first positive sample, collected Feb. 17, was 10 times greater than the second sample taken Feb. 20". "The first positive sample, collected Feb. 17, was 10 times greater than the second sample taken Feb. 20" Do you still not get it??? Damn you're dumb!

Bonds I still think was better. His baserunning puts him over the top. Griffey was definitely number 2

vashthestampede11 bonds had no arm though.