Max's Top 5 all-time NBA scorers list prompts JWill to walk off...👀 | KJM 

He uses certain rules when comparing LeBron to Kobe and KD, but uses different criteria for including Wilt and Kareem.

They be treating Max like he not allowed to have an opinion 😂

The average center in Wilt and Kareem era was 6-11/6’10, he wasn’t playing against “small guys”

Simply comparing FG percentages lacks any sort of context. Max is right about controlling for certain variables-though he was having a tough time articulating as much-such as pace of play, league efficiency metrics, and even some accolades. It’s like saying that dropping 30 when the leagues top defense has a defensive rating of 108.5 is no different than dropping 30 when the leagues top defenses posted ratings of 90.

0:16 I like that he almost tripped and kind played it off like he was angry stomping.

Max’s logic is like that new math my kids are doing in school.

This is actually a phenomenal top 5 by Max Kellerman. I’m kinda shocked he had a good one lol, but it’s really good. I would change the order a bit, but overall this is great.

The majority of Wilt’s points were actually scored off of fade away jumpshots near the post. Ppl forget his game. They think because he was big he mustve been a power center like shaq, but he was much more of a skill and finesse player.

The height difference has really never changed. Wilt played against the same average height as every era after him.

We love Max for being Max. He’s playing chess vs himself and he’s losing..

Kevin Durant this season gives you as may points and moves offensively as a guard and still manages to be more efficient then some all star centers and also he gave you a 50 40 90 season is crazy he has the balance of moves efficiency and the ability to score anywhere on the floor

Max max is to smart for this show 😂😂😂😂

Max was contradicting his whole list 😂💯

I find it interesting that Jay Will walked off the set

15:11 The average height of centers in wilts era was 6’10. The average height of centers from 2006-2019 is 6’11.5

Hakeem Olajuwon is very underrated in this debate, this dude was scoring through double teams and triple teams in his prime on a regular basis. He could score inside or out when I say out I mean particularly from mid range. His handles, footwork, agility and speed was incredible for someone his height at around 7ft, he moved like an elite 2 guard while at the same time he played like an elite through big. He had an elite post game and an elite faceup game with so many moves and moves to counter, he knew how to keep the defense guessing. He was a very clutch scorer too. He shot around 71% from the foul line for his career that's pretty good for a center.

George Gervin is an honourable mention. 4 x scoring champ that no one ever mentions.

Max argued against himself with that rediculous take

This man Keyshawn spent this whole segment listening to Max, interpreting his words however he wanted to, and then throwing that interpretation back at Max and swearing that's exactly what he said lol

Average height of wilt's contemporaries was 6'10". They weren't 6ft.

Now that's what I call Jay walking

I WANT IGUODALA

Max was smoking something WILD during this 😂

What Max is saying in a nutshell, is there are more offensive opportunities now, so they naturally score more. This means in today's era and them being able to score more, he should have an average higher. Not that hard to understand. I do believe Lebron is still 2 or 3 on that list for the record.

It's actually a pretty good list.

What no one mentions is that LeBron is top 4 in assists. So if he wanted he could’ve scored way more. But he sacrificed for the good of the team. And he’s an unselfish player unlike many of the guys on max list

This is the Definition of Moving the Goal Post 😂😂

What's crazy is, J Will talked about having numbers to back up the ideas Max had. Max said he's sure if you take out shots around the basket, Kobe's fg percentage would be better than LeBron's. Fact is, if you take out shots around the basket, Kobe's field goal percentage is better than Lebron's. By a decent amount lol.

There were many 7 footers in Wilts time, none came close to his stats. Funny how they always try and discredit him

Max is frustrating, very intelligent, but extremely frustrating 😂😂😂

What they don’t mention is no one sticks defensive anymore… big factor when scoring is talked about

Definitely didn’t make sense to me either 😂 just moving the goal post

“You should look up the numbers before you say it” 😂😂😂😂

I'm rolling on the floor laughing just imagining Stephen A Smith responding to Max on this!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣

“THEY PLAYED AT THE SAME TIME!” Keyshawn has zero clue that Kobe was drafted in 1996, he played nearly half his career by the time LeBron stepped on an NBA court. Especially when you consider Kobe missed a full year with the torn Achilles. It’s like saying Jordan and Kobe are the same era, there were years of overlap but the leagues changed so much midway through both players careers.

Scoring and shooting are not the same. Shooting is just a portion of scoring and scoring is overall everything: dunks, layups, and shooting. To look at it objectively, I think you have to take into account average per game, overall FG%, and total points. Of course there’s era to look at as well, but that can be looked at subjectively by different people.

When Max tries to explain contextualizing numbers to the other two, I feel so bad for him. They just don't get it at all, and Max is like... 'but I explained it so well'... 😭😭🤣🤣

Lebron FGs when being 3ft or more away from the basket is always under 40% really is the only stat you need here. Dude can play but if we are talking about scoring he really ain’t it. He don’t even have a bag, he relies on his speed and sizes. He always struggle with people who can match his physicality because he doesn’t have skill as a counterplay

The Anchor Man quote SENT MEEEE

Jay always with the extra and comes off looking like a cornball!

The education learned by Jay and Kyrie at Duke University is on full display here

That 4-6 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The disrespect on Bird is crazy Kareem and Wilt had many bigs we just don't remember them as we should

We just witnessed max defeat himself in the debate that he started 😂😂😂.

It’s astonishing how the goalpost moves when it comes to LeBron. That’s how you know JUST how great the man is.

The only guy in this conversation who WASN’T looking to score first, ended up with more points than all of them. End of debate lol

Kobe had the record for 3's in a game at 12 until Klay broke his record. Max said he didn't shoot 10 threes in a game.

Max is right about averages on a per season basis. And the top 3 or 4players in career PPG. All were immediately in their prime, and the primary scorer on their team.

I actually COMPLETELY understood what Max was saying. It's amazing that they understood it to mean that he was saying LeBron is NOT a great scorer. Wild. Max said NOTHING of the sort.

Keyshawn isn’t understanding- lebrons shots don’t mostly come from inside the basket. Those percentages drop off more as you move away than Kobe’s did. All Max said was lebron would score more inside if his era made that easier

The length people go to, to discredit Lebron. And I’m not even a lebron stan. I have mad respect and give him his credit for all he’s done throughout his career.

Max is the king of double talk 😂

Max is trying to correct for differences in eras. This allows the trends of the game (eg: more 3s) to be considered. “What game were these guys playing at the time and how good was he at it”

What is the distance from the basket that Karim and Wilt shot from?

I think the problem with most sports arguments is that everything is generalized and not broken down into categories. It's not truly possible to just say someone is the greatest of all times at something in a general fashion. You have to break that down into categories to even start, otherwise it will always just be opinion.

This was a HILARIOUS segment… Key had me dying 😂😂😂😂

I can’t believe Dirk isn’t even in this conversation.

The disgust in j will face is priceless 😂

Lebron's overall stats in his career is amazing.

Max is right about the 3 point convo lbj shoots 3's like he's peja Kobe up the ante but he was a mid range guy towards the end PREDOMINANTLY..... but he also backtracked because he actually is holding it against lbj as opposed too Kareem lol

There is not a player that has ever played in any sport that gets consistently pushed to levels far above their actual output as much as Kobe Bryant.

This was a great discussion. Both sides acknowledged each others arguments bc they both brought up great points. It ultimately came down to what aspects of scoring they each value more. I especially liked the physical dominance vs skill set argument. Idk which of the two i value more.

Jay is the most emotional man on earth

Max has it right. People just like to argue with him and discount him, but his arguments, he can explain it thoroughly. The other 2 get emotional and just try to poke holes in what max says but can't articulate why or even if they feel differently. In other words, their argument is to disprove Max, not to prove their own, which to me is an automatic fail.

Stop saying you have to discount Wilt, and look at the actual height of the centers back then and who they were.

J Will always in his feelings. Dude so emotional

It’s so weird that we never just celebrate Lebron without ever comparing him. His whole career has never been truly appreciated because he is constantly compared to any and every player. I can’t wait to Lebron retires so we can finally just appreciate his whole career like he truly deserves.

i normally come to the defense of fax kellerman bc he gets too much hate. but he has never been as far off as he is right here

For me! What a pure scorer means someone who can score from anywhere on the court on anyone at any given moment. Im 5'9, and when playing 5v5, I'm can score on 6'3 guys, etc. but when it comes to 1v1, It changes everything. There's only 3 guys on that list who have the ability to score on anyone from everywhere at any moment 1v1 and 5v5.

Einstein explained Theory Of Relativity much clearer than Max explained his top 5 scoring list logics...

honestly this is one of the most subective takes there can be, what defines a great scorer?? their scoring avg?? their efficiency?? their scoring titles??? etc. Every ppl had their own criteria to establish what a great scorer is, mine personally is the moves and countermoves you had in your bag, for that reason i like more kobe, michael jordan, durant, hakeem olajuwon than lebron james. In my eyes they are better scorers cuz their bag is huge. When im trying to use plays whenever im playing i watch videos of those players so i can use those moves, never have i done it with lbj. No knock to lebron, lebron stans as i said this is completely subjective, if you think lebron is the best scorer thats fine, thats a valid take as well.

The game is much different today then when Wilt played, many rules have changed to allow more offense, but in Wilt's day they were changing rules to slow him down because he was making a mockery of the league, most likely he would still be a great player today, just would not have the same numbers because the league has become more guard driven, it makes players like Embiid and Jokic a true marvel, bigs have had a harder time adjusting to the wide open up and down nature but it is happening especially with guys like Victor Wembanyama coming into the league.

Jay 100 perfect raised the right question of Max. If it's some mix of a good, capabilities, and performance vs. contemporaries, then Wilts spot is questionable. I don't understand Max's criteria. It's interesting, but it seems it defeats itself.

Max can take abuse better than anyone I’ve ever seen in my life 😮

J will most sensitize man in sports 💯

oh my god, I can't breath. This is the funniest episode/argument between them I have ever heard.

I feel so bad for anyone who has to talk basketball with Max. If you have found your self agreeing with Max on anything basketball you might want to rethink that position because it’s most likely incorrect 😂

Shooting vs scoring is 2 different discussions. Just because Kobe/KD/Jordan can shoot the ball better than Lebron doesn’t automatically mean they can score better.

MAX KELLERMAN IS THE MASTER OF SEMANTICS!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

J Will is the most emotional man on sports television

Wilt era centers averaged height 6"10 he competed against. There are ten centers at 6"10, who Wilt played against. Nate Thurmond Willis Reed Bill Russell Heinson

Kareem was actually more taller then his opponents then wilt was

All max had to say was Kareem and Wilt played in an Era with no 3pt shot. They were giants of there time. The most effective shot for them was at the rim. Simple

Key's face is the most sarcastic "let him cook" I've ever seen lmao.

ESPN is the king of having their host/guests walk off set 😂😂😂

Leaving the all time scorer off of the all time scorer list is ridiculous. And where is Malone?

We got a signature walk off By Jay again 😂🤣😂🤣🤣

KD is most gifted scorer ever he even don't try shooting 30 attempts and he is very efficient over 60% TS more that every top scorer . And he score everywhere . And he score everywhere

Ahhh J's sigh had me going 💀

MJ, Kobe, & KD are top 3 in that order. When u take into account the footwork, ball handling, finishing at the rim, & tough shot making ability those guys are at the top. The 3 most skilled ever.

Wow, the mental gymnastics Max is doing here is amazing.

I like how he doesn’t use CONSISTENCY. To do what he’s done for this long and not call him a scorer is crazy af.

If a bucket is a bucket, wits points are suffice…If bron is 6’8 260, his points are more dominance than skill…you can’t teach that size and a 4.4 40 speed, just as you can’t teach Shaq’s physical dominance…

A excellent, objective assessment by Max . A superb assessment in a moment upon which many who aren't historians or objective in their opinion,caught up emotionally into current events ,ie Lebron securing goat scoring title aren't willing to acknowledge rationally the achievement of others properly. I'm a huge Lebron fan ,but I'm objective,he's not yet quite better then Kareem , Russell,Jordan . Final note , Kareem Abdul Jabaar was far more offensively then a sky hook ,prime years athletically 1970 -76 which can be googled Kareem prime years 70--76 ,you will see cross over ,pull up and turnaround jumpers ,sky hook with both hands ,back to basket reverse spin to rim ,sprint full court for uncontested dunks ,because no center could keep up with him . Kareem Abdul Jabaar had the full offensive package ,which set up his skyhook ,great defender ,rebounder ,superb passer ,quiet savant team leader . Many fans of NBA basketball who are in their 40's didn't really see Kareem until he was in his early to mid 30's so their process of him isn't astute . ESPN and national sports media also inadvertently damaged his reputation because the only photo they constantly showed of him was him delivering the skyhook .That's like only showing Jordan or Lebron dunking . Max assessment is a solid analogy . The caught in the moment fanatics will typically disagree with Lebron not being #1 .

I never heard anyone say: "Keeping Kobe or KD out the paint, and forcing them to shoot jumpshots is how you beat them." I've heard that said about Lebron throughout his career.

Jordan with 10 scoring titles is crazy 🐐 Wilt with 7 scoring titles 🐐

Max is a cool dude… but man he didn’t know what he was talking about here 😂😂😂😂😂

Max ain’t wrong tho and his list is legit. Bron always been a pass first guy, which is what makes him being the All Time Scoring Leader that much more impressive.

Key destroys his entire argument with one take 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man I felt my brain burning trying to understand Max