@@ronmurray7349 That’s not what happened. They were going to pit Piastri first but Norris was scared of being undercut by Hamilton. They told Norris they would pit him first to cover Hamilton on the condition he swapped back with Piastri (after the Hamilton threat was neutralized) since he was taking priority that wasn’t supposed to be his. They did the undercut and Norris wasn’t swapping back like he was supposed to. Norris isn’t wholly at fault, but he knew what the conditions were when he asked to pit early. That wasn’t his stop to take and he doesn’t get to whine after the fact because he didn’t get to steal the win from Piastri. Piastri has done the same for him plenty of times before and never so much as complained.
O yea, that one to Lando about think about the sunday meetings was so funny. I literally had to let it sink in and think did that just happen? This is F1 ffs. You gave Lando the better pit strategy! Haha!
imo , i think max was right in terms of the team screw him with the strategy , but he acted like a child in the way he comunicated with the team , and the way he always put the responsibility of the accidents on others it looked sad from outiside
For the uninitiated, this is teh real Max - petulant and angry. It's easy to be "chill" win you're winning every race and back to back titles. Much harder to be sportsman when ytour car is behind, and your strategy is less than optimal. Max throwing his car in front of Hamilton is classic 2020 Max.
@@NikoMoraKamu Probably what happens when you stay up all night playing in a 24hr sim race ahha. He was still streaming 7 hrs before his race. I don't know about you but if I don't get 8 hours its a bad day lol. At least he won something on Sunday
At the beginning of this year, they said Newey wasn't involved that much in this year's car. And they claimed the good results as proof they can manage without him. I wouldn't be as affirmative...
I loved how petty the drivers were over the radio. I especially enjoyed hearing McLaren begging Norris to give the position to Oscar after THEY messed up the strategy and screwed Oscar over to begin the whole fiasco
Expect this race to be the most dramatic part of drive to survive on Netflix. Max and Lando will be villains. Lewis and Oscar will be knights in shining armour. They'll probably milk Lando refusing to let Oscar passed for a good 20 minutes with all the begging and crying of the Mclaren team radio stretched out into several team interviews about Lando's competitve character.
@@perfectman3077 you have no idea what you're talking about. He is second in the championship. He was quicker than Oscar. Team failing Oscar wasn't his fault and they managamenet of the situation was shit. We all know what kind of mindset do professional athletes have... I'm surprised he even let him through in the end. I know it's probably not likely but this could have been the moment Land lost the 2024 championship. (not a fan of his, just don't get the shit people are giving him for this.. I was much more frustrated by his approach in the cool down room)
I'M GLAD SOMEONE ACTUALLY ADMITS THAT, HOLY SHIT! Do you know how many people just cry that it makes red bull better somehow? I'm so happy to see this field tightening up and getting crazy.
There are some other factors, like McLaren acquiring their chief engineer. But yes, the cost cap has made a clear difference. Now we get actual racing 😂
It seems to be, but isn't there always bunching like this when the regs have stability? I'm worried the formula change will nerf the budget effect again
It actually has worked out for years. Most teams that aren't the top three (Mercedes; Ferrari; Red Bull) were really closed together, close enough for regular 4-car battles or 5 in the midfield. I'm quite sure the reason there was still blatant domination at the front is because of the behind-the-scenes stuff that screwed up the regulation. But now that Red Bull is in a slump, it's starting to become anybody's game.
it feels inevitable, Merc need a world champion for the sponsors and RB are on a downward spiral plus they've lost Newey. The only stumbling block for Max (and Jos) is that he won't be as powerful at Merc as he is at RB where they worship him
I know everyone says Adrian Newy didn't have a lot of input over the last year or so. But isn't it telling that once he annouces he's leaving the team and they fase him out of meetings and such the performance of the car starts to take a decline 🤔
It takes months of planning to go into developing an upgrade package. Newey's departure cannot immediately make Red Bull slower. It's just the other teams have caught up, and Red Bull's 2024 package isn't anywhere nearly as strong as it's 2023 car.
@@doghat1619 I remember seeing somewhere that Red Bull weren't listening to Newey as much when designing the RB20 so this may have been brewing for a longer time than his departure announcement...though I have no evidence to back up my claim so take it with a pinch of salt
@@doghat1619 not really.... yeah it takes prep but it can all shift and those upgrades package rely heavily on the data recolected on track so saying they had hungary upgrades since what imola? Is nonsense
It’s crazy how much these upgrades matter during the year. After the first 2 races people were like “ahhh another Red Bull year” but now it’s not clear who’s going to win either championship.
Also something to acknowledge is the cost cap and limits on wind-tunnel testing for better teams. This surely has to be a significant factor in the dramatic shakeup we're seeing in 2024.
They still had newey then he was a key figure,since he is not working on the car anymore they have no clue what they are doing,everything where they were strong at goes wrong now strategy pitstops.
RB20 is like 1.5 secs faster than the RB19 around a track like Hungaroring. People aren’t giving credit where it’s due: McLaren did a heck of a job with the MCL38. And this is coming from a Red Bull fan.
@@koachk5360 Even though Max' car was hard to drive (and has been for a while now), he still would have been able to put pressure on the Mclarens, if they hadn't let him be undercut twice. And while I was absolutely appalled by how Mclaren effed Oscar over yet again, they should have let Lando take the win. Lando could threaten the championship, and I don't think they can avoid their drivers tearing into each other at some point anyway.
A season which started out looking like it was going to be a Max / RBR rout is all of a sudden looking like a real toss up. and it's just past the halfway point.
Other cars starting to catch up to red bull. Red bull had 2 seasons where their number 1 driver had the fastest car on the grid, heads and shoulders above every other car. Finally other cars are catching up and we are seeing what I always said, max is not the best driver on the grid not even top 3 he still has the fastest car on the grid it's just he's not the best. This will sting his cult following but it's just facts. Piastri, lando, leclerc, Lewis I put above max even sainz. The spoilt cry baby demands the fastest car by a long shot otherwise he can't win 😂
@@mrshab I can recall the same sort of behavior from, and the same sort of reaction to, every leading driver going back to at least Schumacher. It's nothing new. And he is among the best or he wouldn't be where he is.
@hughjass1044 No drivers are more petulant now. Michael never criticised the team publicly. Mika didn't either. It started around the Alonso/Hamilton and after era. These drivers quickly forget the ultra success that they have and can't cope with a bit of difficulty.
@@GK-qc5ry Whether drivers are more petulant now or not is not the point he is making. He is responding to the comment that Max isnt the best driver in the grid or even the top 3. You only have to look back at his first championship to recognize how good he is. He was by far the best driver that year and with a slightly worse car than Mercedes. And yes he was helped by the FIA but if you look at the season as a whole, he deserved it most.
@@mrshab fastest car on the grid? which the second driver gets trolled by the media for his "consistency" in finishing in subpar positions not even top 5 sometimes? you just a butthurt hater from 2021 still coping dude go chill in a corner somewhere
That’s just one element they’ve lost numerous talents at every level betrayal at the highest level and corporate BS it never changes when it comes to power & $$$ USD
Maybe Max said the same things behind closed doors. Checo doing shit for how many races now? Max' frustration grows when the championship is at risk. This race Checo was at least with 3 positions of Max so thats good for Checo at least. Hope he can get some upgrades soon so RB can have 2 cars in the fight like McLaren and Merc, though a disappointing race for Russell
@@stevenmihalic7887 Max can tolerate a bad car better than Perez (and probably everyone else). Perez is a fairly good driver. His performance is the "real" performance of the car.
It's not that deep. Every driver has done that and will do that when the car or strategy is not up to the mark. Lewis, Alonso, Max, Vettel all have done that and that's the reason they're champions. The only saint is Leclerc and that's why he's depressed and that team has gone to shite after Schumacher cause no else kept them in check and upto the mark except him.
I thought so too. I don't really care about what he says, he's Dutch, but I thought his crash was a result of his emotional instability, which really pissed me off. Once the steward's decision came in and I saw the crash again I realised he pulled the same move with Leclerc, so it wasn't really his emotional instability that caused it.
I think Max was getting caught by the brakes slipping. His brakes got worse and worse as the race went on and he was complaining about it since the start of the race.
Do you know how it is to be at his position? When you are carrying the team the whole season? You think you are still being nice? These are champions they are not here for a participation trophy my guy.
Newey was previously advising on car setup every race weekend. When they removed him from that role, suddenly race results also changed, and of course rivals performance caught up with Redbull.
Now we know why RB is testing an older car. It was the car Newey was heavily involved in, development-wise. Now that Newey has technically “left” the team and not involved in the development anymore, RB’s contender is starting to show its problems.
The irony of Max complaining about moving under braking and dive bombing, what a season we're having And it seems the Newey touch has departed from Red Bull, "not just Newey" they said "it's a team" they said
Well, it's only fair, if Max is gonna get blamed for it, does it makes sense for others to get away with it? It makes perfect sense that he would mention it, he's bitter that they can get away with it when he always gets blamed for it.
@@Dyils Max was in trouble in that turn long before Hamilton moved. He was locked up and was going to blow through the turn regardless. His argument that he locked up to avoid Hamilton just doesn't show up in the replay. He dove in hoping he could get it slowed down and stick and its pretty obvious there was zero chance that was going to happen.
@@Dyils Please show me one time where he has been blamed for it and punished. Ill wait. If he wants to be a non hypocritical he should stop doing the things he does to everyone else. How cute, Verstappen is quick to complain when it gets down to him but we just gonna ignore the years of dirty driving. When u watch him race anyone near the top. It's always a bet of not IF but WHEN will he collide/crash with someone. Racing is racing, shit happens. But when you throw yourself at Mach Jesus and the only thing preventing the crash is the other drivers defensive actions that ain't racing. Shit gets old. Been LOVING this year because he finally understands what ''struggle'' is after winning races so often past few years. I'm all for racing, i want 3-5 different drivers that all have a chance to win the championship. Not this 500 point lead that red bull been doing and what Mercedes used to do. But FIA need to put their foot down and either punish EVERYONE or punish none. Not this subjective reasoning they always seem to have. If moving under braking is against FIA like its suppose to. Start punishing drivers for it. You don't even have to hit them hard with it. 3 seconds every time they do it. Lets see how quick they stop.
That’s what happens when you have extremely talented athletes. They’ll mask the performance of their machinery and not until it’s too late they gonna realize they’re now way behind the pack.
Lewis getting a podium with the fourth fastest car and remaining respectful to other drivers despite being on the receiving end of some reckless driving. That’s why he is the GOAT and a great example to young fans watching.
@@xOMastaPOx he is driving a shit car, in a long time but still wins for the team. they should respect him more. the team only has him getting points LOL
JP: "You need to save your tyres Max" Max: "You gave the me the strategy, I'm just trying to rescue what's left" Lost his engineer in that moment. LOL. Max walking around the Paddock for the rest of the day. Dishonour on you, dishonour on your family, dishonour on your cow!
@@ErLeuchten No? Max went a bit deep when a made a move on Lewis. Other than that he made very little mistakes. The team on the other hand messed up both pitstops.
Wild to watch an episode of Drive to Survive unfold in real time. Too bad they probably won’t even cover it and will be talking about the woes at Aston Martin or something.
The best thing about F1 is that no matter who the driver is the tables always turn. When any driver complains about blocking in practice, or a move around the outside resulting in contact or a late braking "dive bomb" it's only a matter of time before they end up in exactly the same situation with the roles reversed. Norris might complain about team orders when they apply to him but you know before long he will be behind Oscar due to a strategy call and will be on the radio calling for the same team orders to be applied to him.
Lando should never have been pitted first. However, once the mistake was made and he was winning and 6 seconds clear he should have been told to come home first. He is trying to chase down max after all. He’s ahead of Oscar in the championship and should be their number 1 driver. It was weak from Mclaren
@@QuotidianStupidity75 points behind in the championship and was told that he’s only being pitted first to cover Lewis, on the condition that he lets Oscar by. He is a spoilt brat who needs a reality check. Won one race and thinks he’s the shit. If the gap was below 50 points I’d understand. But 75+ points with only half the season left? Consistently overpushed the car, warranting those messages from his engineers and directors, and then had the gaul to complain that Piastri wasn’t catching up quickly enough. Was easily slower than his teammate for 50 laps. Some of the responses he gave back to his engineers on the radio reminded me of how a rebellious child talks to their parents as soon as they hit puberty. Needs a wake up call. I do agree though, that MCL lack the professionalism and communication skills that RB have.
@@QuotidianStupidity "Lando should never have been pitted first." They pitted him first because Hamilton already pitted and on fresher tires was about to close the 20 second gap to Norris. If they didn't pit Norris, he would have exited the pits behind Hamilton. "once the mistake was made" It was no mistake. Piastri was told that the pitstop is not to undercut him, but to cover Hamilton and after Norris undercut him, Piastri was told "Don't worry about it", indicating that the driver swap was already planned before the race. Sometimes I get the feeling I'm talking to people who didn't even watch the race but just regurgitate whatever they read other people write online...
The very moment Newy announced his retreat, RB's road started to become bumpy. Oddly enough, Adrian's role was already limited, but still a funny coincidence
By all means Red Bull wasn't at the top of their game today, but if this is going to be Max's attitude and temper (on radio and on track alike) whenever he doesn't have a 5 second lead by the third lap, that's some real good news for Mclaren. There is not a few steps but a whole staircase between getting heated in the moment and whatever he was doing today.
Today was fantastically entertaining…but max drove the whole race like a pissed off teenager and the result was inevitable. He was moaning and swearing despite at times being the fastest man on track…so what’s he really complaining about? Trouble with max is he’s learned from his dad that absolutely any form of failure is unacceptable and that’s why you see him run others off the road but woe betide the man who does that to him and why we see him crumble as soon as it’s not all going handsomely his way.
This behavior gave him his first title, he was dirty then and got rewarded for it, its never gonna change now...until someone else does it and they take action to "clarify the rules".
"despite at times being the fastest man on track" , "so what's he really complaining about?" obviously complaining about the car and everything else, he's having to perform at 200% yet he's not able to catch the two with the fastest car right now so there's definitely an issue somewhere (meanwhile perez do be loving this understeer-y car and clawed back up to the points)
This race showed what I always have said: One thing is to catch up with a superior car, the other is to pass a skilled driver. Verstappen complained that Hamilton turned right. I suggested that perhaps the reason for that is because the turn was to the right. Hamilton turned and Verstappen, locking the tires, did not. Verstappen must learn that it is important to follow the track direction. It will avoid many crashes and track exiting.
Hamilton clipped Max's rear wheel what does that tell you ? Do you remember Hamilton crashing Piastri and Magnusson last year ? It doesnt matter if Max wouldve gone straight on, he was along side
Who cares what the slowest driver in F1 thinks, he's never had the luxury of commanding the respect of his team, even when he deserved it he was treated poorly.
@@mrsoisauce9017 a bit too childish to go overlooked tho, don't you think? Especially when it seems that he never blames himself for incidents on the track. There's a line between demanding excellence and blind narcissism.
@@georgemathebula4661 I wouldn't make that assumption. Both Mercedes and Ferrari are close enough that either of them could come to the fore by next season. Leaving Red Bull would probably be wise in the grand scheme of things. I agree though that 2026 is far more likely as a year for Max to switch teams than 2025.
Red bull seemed to not understand that they don t the have pace advantage to make overcut strategy calls like that to work, especially in a track that favora the defender.
FOR REAL. Looking at the race, he got screwed over multiple times through strategy. Max very much could have been in contention for the win or P2, but his team allowed him to be undercut multiple times - because normally, Max is fast enough and has a car that lets him pass people easily on track. He made a mistake, yes. But he was being ignored and talked down to after being repeatedly screwed over on strategy, run wide, etc. all race with zero action on his team's end from his perception.
He was the same way when the car was dominant. I'd be mad to though they took the fastest car and redesigned it. Newey thought he could make the merc design work.
The wind tunnel allocations certainly doing its part. I also think they were surprised by how fast Mclaren caught up to them. There werereports that they were basically shelving the car before the triple header with a few planned upgrades to concentrate on next seasons car but now that they're in a dog fight, Redbull suddenly pushing out different parts.
It one thing to be able to develop a race strategy to keep your car in 1st place from the starting lights.....in another to actively manage position during a race....clearly Red Bull struggles with the latter....lol
"Red bull perfect strategy ever y race". well of course if you are so far in front you don't even lose a position when you pit it is easy to do strategies😂
I think this just proves yet again that he wasn't really all that different compared to his first few reckless years, it was just easier to be cool and collected when when he didn't have to do absolutely anything special to have a 20+ gap on everyone else.
I've always thought he was hot-headed, and a bit too aggressive. He had flashes of brilliance those first few years, but he'd often get in over his head. Once RB gave him a car where he no longer had to race anyone, he was happy. Now he has to race again, and he's hot-headed, a bit too aggressive, and in over his head. Again.
You just sound like the people saying Hamilton had to do nothing special because of his dominant Merc. Winning more than one WC ALWAYS requires something special no matter how good your car is. You've clearly never done any serious racing yourself. Both Max and LH are a special breed with out of the ordinary skills.
@@1963MAL You just showed you don't know how to read and you get all worked up when someone doesn't praise your favourite driver. Never said they don't have skills, I said that when your car goes comfortably +20 seconds ahead of everyone else you don't have to do absolutely nothing special to win multiple championships. Schumacher didn't have to do anything special either when he won with Ferrari. And in regaard do Verstappen, I said he wasn't really mature or changed from his younger days, since he showed MULTIPLE times already that he's only cool and calm when he's winning. The moment he has to race someone he flips out like he always did.
So if you were in the same situasion, you would just be happy? Its easy for us on the sideline watching to say whats right or wrong. But when you are in the car, pushing as hard as possible, its not really that easy to stay "calm". There are so many other drivers that are equally complaining, but they dont show all the team radios...
@@honzavasicek yeah, and you can just slam your car around every corner, and dont worry about tire management. This is ridicuously impacts him in real life)
Normally Max is cut throat on the radio but he puts in super performances on the track. This race however, he cost himself 3rd place as he let his emotions take over.
If Max didn't try to push people of the track he might have done better. Unfortunately this is actually a consistent factor whenever Max has any real challenger. He is a danger to himself and to others.
Especially of all drivers Hamilton who has always kept to his vow to never give way to Max again. I guess Max has too much pride to change his style for Hamilton even when he knows what Hamilton will do, that Hamilton would rather crash out than be bullied off his line by Max.
He is too much now. Emotions, lack of focus. Just keep 2 more rounds of calm then he will gain third. Instead just hot headed. I was never a Lewis fan but he started to grow on me recently. Good lad.
To be fair though, Max was right. Looking at the race, he got screwed over multiple times through strategy. Max very much could have been in contention for the win or P2, but his team allowed him to be undercut multiple times - because normally, Max is fast enough and has a car that lets him pass people easily on track. He made a mistake, yes. But he was being ignored and talked down to after being repeatedly screwed over on strategy, run wide, etc. all race with zero action on his team's end from his perception. Every single "great driver" is hotheaded. Schumacher and Senna crashed people. Kimi literally just went to party instead of going to a team meeting after a dnf. Vettel was NOTORIOUSLY hotheaded. Lewis was considered a danger, and even recently had to be asked by his team principal to stop complaining and drive the car. The people flipping out on Max like Lando wasn't also on the radio the whole last 30 laps are also just purposefully looking to confirm their biases.
@@Ryzardrecently was Austria 2023 and he wasn’t complaining about the car but about why he got a time penalty so fast and the others don’t A common occurrence:) Last time he complained as much as max was in turkey 2009 But even than he wasn’t nearly half as aggressive as max was Max forgets that without rb he wouldn’t have a single win Without rb putting their faith 100% into max there wouldn’t be 3 titles and a bum as a teammate next to him
Yeah Max was driving like this was the only race that mattered.......super fired up. He could have easily finished 3rd if he just dialed it down a bit. But he wasn't happy with the strategy and the car today and really wanted to prove something......to the point of his own detriment. Not the best day in the officer for him.....
@@Ryzard stop making excuses, yes it wasnt the best strategy for once but the car shouldve been p3 and all the team got was whining and a crashed car out of position. The child needs to grow up and own up to his own mistakes.
But I thought crashstappen could win in a williams...according to his fanboys 😂 I said this before, the last time Wache took control of designing the car it was a screw up. Only this time they dont have the luxury of bringing newey back.
Perhaps an admission of Max moving under braking since they(RedBull) wouldn't argue it with other teams. They defended Max so vehemently that he didn't, now he claims others are and they won't argue it.
@@SelendekiYou remember that dive bomb from Lando, and someone did similar thing but said ‘I turn my car to basically diagonally run through the whole width of the track, but I brake in a straight line’? Cannot stand the hypocrisy of some people. Clearly red bull knew what their little golden boy is like and decided to shut up, while some fan boy still have no clue.
That’s very not true and honest! Go look at the video over and you’ll clearly see him locking up way before Hamilton started making the turn. He was clearly wrong to launch his car at that pace knowingly the risk given his experience but, we all know Max, very inpatient and unfair when under pressure and giving respect to his peers. Ham had to eventually turn or run wide and had he ran wide Max had seen would have still locked up so his bs excuses can’t be justify. He was totally wrong here and I’m a fan of him.
@@one_guy2028 what? everyone is fighting everyone.... its not only him that is battling 4 other teams... its everybody against everybody... now i dont see anyone else complain like max did today.
Reminder this was probably his worst race in 3 years and he still only lost 8 points of his 84 point lead with 10 races to go. So every remaining race would have to turn out like this for him to just barely lose
@@barbonson_richards Not really, a 7 points diference for the remaining 11 races in Landos favour is all he needs. Lando needs to win every race and Verstappen needs to finish 2nd for Lando to win the title by 1 point. Norris needs a significant car advantage to beat Verstappen and as of today Mclaren seem to be going in that direction
@@khalidmartie5854 You talk about 7 point difference for 11 races as if it's nothing. Mclaren have had the fastest car now since around miami. Since then Verstappen has EXTENDED his gap to norris by an average of 3 points per race. And then there are 5 other drivers capable of winning and taking points off them as well
Unless something changes, I don't see RB getting constructors. Driver championship... we'll see, but it's also under decent pressure as RB are now the 2nd (maybe 3rd after break) best car.
True gets even worse for RB, should Spa be another bad one and Mclaren have a good one that 51 point gap in the constructors will diminish even more and and a chunk out of the drivers again.
@@AefweardWCC yes they can't win it but WDC is really hard for Lando to win it even with Mclaren is so fast compare to Red bull and also do you think Lando with 76 points gap to Max will win it i meant in this race he lost 7 points with team order lol
Wow! How did Max get away with the Hamilton incident - isn’t there plenty of precedent of drivers arriving too fast, locking the brakes, being fully out of control and hitting the car turning into the corner? I’m definitely not an LH fanboi but that was undoubtably MV’s fault.
Whatever you may think of Max's position at that point, it doesn't change the fact that HAM steered right into him and sent him flying. Which isn't the first time he did that, just ask Rosberg.
@@WhoStoleMyAlias well that’s just silly. But if you want to play what if, let’s pretend that LH wasn’t there. He retired 3 laps previous. So we have Max approaching T1 way too fast and he locks all 4 wheels and slides straight on, towards the outside of the corner. He can’t turn because his brakes are locked and he can’t stop for the same reason. At this point we would say that Max’s car is out-of-control. As Martin would say “he out-braked himself”. I can’t believe that Max drove too fast and locked his brakes on purpose. Dare I say it “Max made a mistake”. Now let’s replay that with Lewis in position. Lewis is on the racing line, he turns into the corner and an out-of-control car slides into the side of him. Did Lewis squeeze Max? Sure. But he did so to make Max turn away or slow-down & back out of the contest. But MV couldn’t do either because he was out of control. The whole situation occurred because Max made a rookie mistake.
Have you ever noticed that as soon as you turn into a world champion, or just a really high driver that’s had great success, the moment you stop winning that is everyone else’s fault defiantly not yours. The car is slow, its undriveable, the tyres aren’t working the strategy is bad etc. How many times have we seen it? Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel etc…
@@PhO3NiX96 only technically , pun intended ,he’s on the payroll ,he can’t go anywhere until January .newey was at the British gp in Redbull gear because it would look odd if he wasn’t, he’s gone from the team and is on gardening leave .
@@baronvonsquirrel55 read the stewards report, not a fan of either but they did hold Hamilton partially to blame. Genius move from him tbh, just enough to not also ruin his race
3:23 This NEEDS to be a graphic at the end of each qualifying session in the broadcast! Could even colour-code the sector times the same way with yellow-green-purple to see a little more into just how good/bad the time was.
