Maximum Reacts to Windwalker Monk Talent Tree Reworks 

I’ve never seen Max more passionate about a topic n than him going into the new spec tree and talking about it.

The WW dev is back from vacation

As a main monk i am fucking elated right now, while i main Brew and dabble into MW... i am so happy for my walkers of the wind brothers on the other side man. You boys deserve this

The fact he was adhd moving his character while the talent tree was open is iconic lol

Blizzard absolutely cooked with this rework, I'm too hyped! Like it's actually nuts that scaling, Auto Attacks problems from FoF, and canceling FoF was tackled in a single talent, but also the additional stuff like Glory of the Dawn will also scale purely off of Haste or Auto Attack synergies (hello Windfury Totem) is just the gift that keeps on giving at that point. I did like Serenity having dealt with buggy SEF for a decade, but I'll manage like before; we're at least getting part of Weapons of Order back.

There's actual flow in the talents, there's actual synergy, and haste scaling!!!!

Someone tell Max there is a reset button, you don't have to right click every single talent xd

Woah, the timing, just finished gym and sat down. Keep the uploads up!

Hooray! This is such fantastic news! Monk has been my main for a long time and it excites me so much to see some of these changes :)

I’m feeling just like max in this video is so excited to “come home” to ww again. Everything is chefs kiss so far

WW is one of my favorite specs. Great video and great changes!

JFS is soooo much better now that you are not forced into the reset style game play

WW is so back

Awesome review man

This is the greatest expansion of all time already

I have never played monk. I have no intention of playing WW in S4 or war within. I watched this entire video simply because how excited Max was about it

thematically I really love Jade Ignition, I hope it's good

Honestly when I saw they added Ordered Elements, which takes my favourite part of Weapons of Order and slaps it on SEF I was pretty pumped to try out the new WW

Could you make a video on how the new roll abilities work / look? Love the videos!

Im interested to see this new interaction they'll have with melees and how strong it is/if its cool that it would lead to WW to be a windfury preferred spec

Max you can shift-right click a node to remove it and all children from your tree - you don't need to right-click 30 nodes to reset a tree :D

Rushing reflexes is basically now the skyreach passive, not very font of this passive while playing ww monk but it is what it is. Unfortunately that they removed serenity, i prefered it more than using SEF. Need to fiddle with it again whenever tww launches

i never used dampen harm, i used the magic defensive and brew because i wanted another ability if i recall and sacrificed it for that

Im surprised max didn't refer to ordered elements as weapons of order instead of referring to it as mini serenity. Especially since he really wanted weapons of order back.

Its so heartwarming to hear how excited Max was about this rework, I hope it ends up being everything Windwalker has needed and Monk in general has needed. Hopefully other classes that need help still will get similar treatment in War Within.

New class tree is so much better (but definitely still has some very strange choices). Just as, if not more, excited for Monk to get some of its extraneous buttons groomed. Moving back and forth from my Disc Priest and Mistweaver this patch has been night and day in terms of sheer number of niche buttons that I have to manage.

This tree looks amazing. Only one sticking points, without trying it. #1. Too many damage amps of different durations. 8 different damage amps from the class tree + spec tree. With different durations. Skytouch is still in the tree and is the biggest offender with 50% Crit amp on 6 sec duration. 1 minute "CD" and triggered by Tiger palm. Which has the effect of locking down your SED usage to 1 minute cycles, which reduces the flexibility and a lot of the fun of a major CD on a charge system. #2 Two big uncontrollable damage amps in Shado-Pan. Combined it's a 300% damage increase if it all lines up. Which is insanely high, and with uncontrollable procs on some of the damage amps it's a bit of a problem.

i am so stoked with the monk changes coming. these changes are honestly Amazing. future looks bright for monks. atleast Windwalker and Mistweaver so far.

Finally, inner peace.

My only frustration is that we most likely won't experience these monk changes for the Panda Timerunning event which is such a shame it would have been amazing to play fun monk again in the expack that started it all.

already running into issues with this rework as expel harm is my favorite button to press because big healing myself, zapping an enemy for damage, and generating resource while keeping my mastery rolling on a button that i DONT need to keep on cooldown because its situational is literally everything you could ever ask for in a button so i absolutely will not be taking combat wisdom which is gonna be locking me out of so much stuff F

Have they said anything abput warrior trees?

Happy to see some WW love also I do hope that other specs to play that sucks get some love like DKs and MM.

i wish they changed how chi burst / chi waves works and made them a more interesting button to press or at least turn them into a cool passive

I feel like at the very least this will make Monk much more fun to play, and fun to build. I a little scared how monk going to feel to bring without the group buffs though.

Fronk deep in the dungeon just doing the lords work

I see whirling dragon punch specc'd, this makes me happy right off the bat

Fronk can you give him like 5-10 db of volume in the future? When max is quiet he is really quiet.

great to see your thoughts on it, but why keep walking, background moving when looking at the talent tree. Its making me dizzy and cant focus on the core message....

Windwalker is so back

As a WW main since MoP: Thank Christ.

Is this all for the next xpac?

I've already got WW Monk as my second primary main, if Shaman (current primary main) doesn't get similar love, then I'm dropping it for WW Monk

I always believed!.. I always.. believed.

Knowledge of the Broken Temple, 8 Blackout Kicks during a Skytouch proc that auto procs a RSK. Insane burst.

I know its not that important but Im really excited for lighter than air.

Maxe should be work with the design teams for talent reworks and new stuff like hero talents ;)

Re read the new stomp. It’s way better now

i could NOT watch the video with the adhd running around in the background. i got motion sickness haha. So I just listened and peaked at the screen a few times

If wowhead is right, Jadefire Stomp no longer resets while standing in it for WW. So you only get the buff for 10 seconds. There's no way we'll be using that talent if it stays that way (and it should JFS can die in a pit of fire)

I remember going into his stream and asking him if Windwalker was his most beloved spec/class and he said no and then going into a long thing about how he's never had a specific attachment to anything in the media or whatever. And here he is, making a video talking specifically about Windwalker monk. Something seems fishy.........

I assume Windwalker is your main class?

I know its only alpha and more rework will happen (hope so) why is druid/monk/pally get a rework again already? When classes like priest or even shammy needs a rework (ele/resto still with no raid buff and are not bring in raid for past 2 expansion)

I don't mind SEF being the only big cooldown they have, but god damn it they need to make sure it's not bugged every other patch.

Hopefully the single damage is good in this Xpack. They got the AoE down, they needed help with single.

Rare WW W

10 years later and still no one says Xuen correctly

Rushing reflexes is lee sin Q, transcendence linked thing is lee sin W. They basically made lee sin in WoW. People are gonna eat that shit up. Massive massive win

"Man if you just had to use Rushing Jade Wind cause of tuning, what a doomer that would have been" - Brewmasters in Shambles, really like this rework for WW but hoping Brewmaster gets some love too

While i love most of these changes it feels like WW's gonna be a menace in PvP unless other classes get bonker stuff too.They get more mobility and more damage backed into them it seems nuts :D

I will never be happy until blizzard finally gives ww fighting game inputs where the order in which you press your buttons opens up other buttons with a cd. Not directionals but make it matter when i press TP and BoK and RSK and what can unlock with the order pressed.

i would love crackling jade lightning to be removed and have chi wave stay an active button; that's basically the only change I don't like

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Teleport tiger palm = gone? 🤔

I don’t play windwalker, can someone explain why AOE touch of death was a bad thing? Was it just bad rotationally or something? Aoe touch always seemed cool to me idk

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Didn’t they just take bdb out and basically add it to gale force ? Honestly this tree slaps. If the numbers are right, monk is looking strong.

I dont get why Jadefire stomp is so hated, just at all

unfortunately, I don't think that Combat Wisdom talent is an improvement, since Expel Harm doesn't give us chi anymore (unless we pick reverse harm as a pvp talent). So it's basically just little heal and that's it. At least now in DF you could get 3 chi from tiger palming every 15 sec. So it's a big L imho --edit: unless i'm wrong as much as the tooltip is. But people on monk discord say so, so i trust one of them has played alpha and spread the news :)

Implement these changes to retail tomorrow. Thanks.

Every lunge ability in this game is dangerous. Randomly you just jump to the center of a dangerous enemy's hit box and die. I just don't love all the lunge abilities for Monk or SV Hunter which I play a ton. A lot of unnecessary and unexpected deaths.

WE'RE SO BACK!

I've been waiting for so long for ww to get their re work. I like what I see. Glad serenity is gone.

you guy keep in mind don't burn your self out in alpha testing what ever you earn you cant keep it will be deleted . so any new gear mount pet etc kiss it goood by it only temporary

Ngl, I hate that they brought back weapons of order as a talent and didn’t make the chi cost reduction buff last longer. I mained WW in Castle Nathria and hated the ability. Any time you had to stop hitting the boss, either because you got knocked back or a mechanic required it, the buff would fall off and your rotation would be fucked.

for pvp, losing seren sucks. i dont really see the point in removing it off of a choice node

Love u

"im not going to spend a tonne of time on this" at roughly 2 minutes into a 34 minute video. Nice

I love expell harm for mastery... If I now have to pay attention if my character does the animation during a GCD ... no way I adjust to that during one global... Kinda meh on that.

Wait for the monk discord to take this as “he’s trying to use his privilege in alpha to make guides before us, he is an enemy”

Must feel good being a monk and not a dk right now... now the only doomers are dks, shamans and mm hunters

No more dashing towards your target with Tiger palm? I am out

do you all remember how all the creators tell you how fun WW is before every expansion but in the end nobody plays that specc? yeah...

Why would they keep night fae ability..😢 Kyrian/bonedust was way more fun Looked way better atleast

Like ww needed some love…LOL

Idk it seems like you lose a lot of ST swapping between aoe... 20% crane kick dmg is a lot.

I feel sick watching this

I swear Blizz just cherry picked every reason I’ve never been able to bring myself to main WW and fixed it. I really hope they don’t do the typical Blizz move and design something perfectly then respond to the “we love this” chorus by nerfing it into oblivion and removing all the good bits.

Combat Wisdom is horrible! Not only does it remove your chance to freely heal when you want, 2 major cool downs are locked behind it. I understand it’s alpha, but how tf did they not see the issue with this immediately?

I hope they remove jade fire

I just wanted to see you double jump at least once come on!

wow vanilla still has the greatest talent trees 20 years later! Haha nu-blizz is trashnation

Maybe a hot take, but the level of complexity of this talent system is getting out of hand. There are way too many choices, way too many interactions. The best part of the old "MoP" talent system is that it was super easy to understand, and the choices were a lot more clear. The problem with the MoP system is Blizz just didn't understand what would make it work well (they made it more like choose between single target options, or choose between aoe options, when it should be to choose between aoe/st/cleave or whatever). The current system is just way over the heads of anyone that isn't a mythic raider, causing even more cookie cutter builds than before. I'm at the top end of heroic/bottom of mythic, and I just don't bother figuring out any of this crap myself, it's just a waste of time. Give me an import code for whatever setup is best for single target, aoe, etc and I'll import them and use them. Occasionally I'll swap one utility for another if needed, but that's it. Also I hate the interaction between ww mastery and WDP with a fucking passion. It is hard enough to do one or the other, but being able to consistently hit WDP close to on cooldown without dropping mastery is nearly impossible in a remotely stressful environment. I was so glad I never had to take WDP this expansion. This expansion was honestly the first time I've enjoyed WW since WoD. MW on the other hand is looking absolutely fantastic, really looking forward to playing it. Oh btw, rushing jade wind is super useful in mog runs and the like, really annoyed I can't use it that way anymore.

Just remember, they are VERY overtuned so expect big nerfs.

would've preferred a real reaction but maybe it was nda or some shit.

I’d rather just have serenity… changing costs of abilities outside of free is such bad design. Guess I won’t play WW. SEF is so trash maaaan

I'm with asmon on this one. The best buff to the monk class is to completely remove it from the game. I know you like monk Max but it's beyond F- tier in wow.

Dude, I really wish you didn't constantly run and spin your character every few seconds while going through the tree...

Dude, be STILL. Your monk running around in circles while the talent screen is open gives me motion sickness, ffs.

This dudes robot brain tries sk hard to be relatable to normal people. He is constantly processing info through the prism of what should I say that the most normies will agree with or like. It's kinda weird to watch.