@@robertt9342I mean it's true tho. This guy has a regular viewerbase, I seriously doubt most people watching this intend to build anything similar to this. We aren't "Normals" 98% of people watching this are PC hardware porn addicts.
I built a new machine (first time in 20 years!) with a Ryzen 5 7600X and an Asrock B650M Pro RS motherboard. It also has (somewhat anemic) iGPU and I have been quite impressed that OBS recording (at 1080p resolution) has worked out well. The beauty of the desktop custom-built universe is that it is still possible to mix and match the parts you need for your particular situation, and still have room to expand and grow. I am still researching where to go next regarding discrete graphics hardware, but the iGPU is meeting my basic needs, including AMD’s video codecs used quite well in OBS!
Thanks, a friend of mine is looking to build a small pc with decent graphics - he'll be doing basic video and photo editing, some software development for fun, so a tiny machine like this is perfect for his needs because it can sit hidden on the back corner of his desk and just do work.
Original version of this case you could buy a VESA mount and attach it to the back of your monitor, Ideal for getting it off the desk entirely - Real shame they've removed that ability
Love the Chopin. I've done multiple builds in them. One with a 3400G a few years back and recently just built a pc for my mom for the holidays with the Chopin Max and a 5600G. It's been perfect.
Watching this video on my Chopin with a 3400G in it, had it 4+ years and great to see it getting some love. Bought the ASRock DeskMini vesa mount to attach it to the back of a monitor and replaced the PSU fan with a Noctua to eliminate some slightly annoying noise. Fitted a Noctua Low profile Cooler for the CPU and it really is a great general work machine that's served me fantastically well
I had the same config for a while except for the mount. It was fine, but I bought a mac mini since then, which is even smaller, looks even better, quieter and performs better for my tasks (damn windows machines cannot build applications for ios, only macs :( )
Your sister definitely is very content with the things she owns. I love that she didn't upgrade until she really needed to. I would have already changed probably 2 times in that time period but she made me learn I can wait lol ❤
I loved the whole thing! Funny enough I just gifted my brother a PC from spare parts I had that I just couldn't let go of! He got an i7 2700k ,32gbs RAM, Asus Strix 980ti, along with a 1TB ssd! Nothing crazy, but I finally managed to bring him back to PC gaming!
🙂 yes thats great, im rebuilding my Core 2 Quad and i7-870, the core 2 quad doesnt launch Cyberpunk but I was surprised that the 870 can run it just fine at low settings, the motherboard doesn't like my RX cards so if u try this u have to stick with Invidia, go green or stay home 😄
@@TheLionAndTheLamb777 It's a solid PC overall! I tested Pal World and Helldivers on it and it ran 60fps with some tweaks but definitely not on the "lowest"! I think a decent cooler and MORE WAM (RAM) on an older system makes a huge difference!
Currently building an ITX system for the first time in the CM NR200P. Loving the challenge to squeeze everything in! I'll be squeezing a 7800XT in though too make it a tiny but powerful system. Great videos recently!
The 8700G is still overpriced @ $329. I get that size was the major factor here, but I can't see myself building even a basic gaming system with the 8700g. An i3-12100 and RX 6600 cost about the same as the AMD APU and will give better overall performance when it comes to games. JMO
Oh man! The Newegg special NZXT Phantom case! That was the case I chose for my first ever build. I think I remember Paul doing the video for it on Newegg as well.
This looks like an amazing at home media (youtube/twitch consumption for example) pc that doesn't require too much for the bare minimum day-to-day use most people have.
Thank you for the build and introduction to the inWin case. I need to build a small system for my wife. This is perfect. I have been looking at the mini PCs, but this offers an actual upgrade path while still being small.
Can be pretty cramped to work in, hemostats for plugging in the front panel connectors is vital if ya got sausage fingers, and handy for lots of things down in that tiny little space.
What a coincidence, I just rebuilt a 4350G build in the Chopin non-Max last weekend. On another note, someone modded a low profile dGPU into this case with case modding, and an external PSU.
I have one with a A520i AC and 5600g, and it's been a very reliable mini PC for non-gaming use and was super cheap. Media consumption, browsing, coding and CAD via Fusion 360.
Did a similar build back in January for my mother-in-law, jumping from a i7-2700 to a i5-12400K. Mainly as I has an AsRock Z690M-ITX/ax motherboard ready for a different build (a silent build in a Streacom DB4 which has some very unusual limitations with VRM heatsinks), and her previous computer started having power problems, in that it just wouldn't turn on. The main difference between the Max and Pro versions of the Chopin is that the motherboard tray was moved, sacrificing space for larger 2.5" drives (i.e. 2.5" HDDs over 9.5mm thick) for greater CPU cooler clearance. It's designed to take the stock Intel and AMD coolers, which the Pro can't do. That and the USB 3 Gen 2 socket on the side panel, which was added for the Max. It's a great little case for desktop use, though the cables provided are a bit too long, especially the USB 3.0 header cable
Just finished building my own pc with 7600 and no gpu. Coming from a headless laptop with a pentium 2020m, it is a hell of an upgrade. I am one of those normal people not concerned about gaming so I don't need a gpu. I love amd for putting an igpu in every 7000series ryzen.
I would love to see you take one of the small streaco mitx cases and make a light gaming/media center to have with the TV. I live in an apartment so we try to minimize space usage. I still have my real gaming pc - it's built into a IKEA metod closet
@paulshardware I believe that BIOS Flashback is a standard/included feature with AM5 platforms. If a mainboard doesnt support it then they went to some effort to disable it for whatever bizarre reason 🙂
Great vid! I'm building my new ITX system using the same motherboard and RAM (5600 MHz version) and a Ryzen 5 7600. And I used the same case to build a new PC for my mom last month. Although, it's built on a AM4 platform with a Ryzen 4600G.
I am getting ready to build my Sister a small form factor PC as well! General use and maybe some retro gaming. Considered using a integrated graphics solution. Perfect timing with this video!!!
I have finally found my inspiration for a small form factor pc for my wife’s needs. She might not be happy about the price tag. So, what she doesn’t know won’t hurt her. 😂 Excellent build, my friend!🤙 And it’s great how you take care of your sister. Major kudos.
@@paulshardware You gotta tell me your procedure for the BIOS bro. I’ve done the flashback per procedure on the ASRock website several times, in several different ways. It just won’t flash. 🤦♂️ Edit: I went with 8700G, because I got $50 discount from Newegg. Same motherboard, cooler as you. And no real help from ASRock customer support. 😡
While not applicable in this build due to the case size, other folk may wish to check in their own market the price difference between buying an 8700G against getting a 7600 CPU and RX 6600 GFX card. As you may find it's the same price, for much better performance when calling upon graphics card use.
Most system builds I have done in the past 15 years or so rarely included a graphics card. Mainly because of the CPU graphics capabilities on the Intel CPU's. They are way better than the integrated graphics of the 1990's or ever since the "Sandy Bridge" era graphics and forward. Those who want a graphics card I just tell them to get what they want and I'll install it and the drivers for them. Unless they are gaming or doing intensive video work, the on CPU graphics are just fine for most.
A surprise NZXT Phantom case at the end! I wish I still had mine that case was my absolute favorite and I really hate how boring NZXT became afterwards
Awesome. Yes I've built into this case and loved it! Great for general use, but I would not game with this system, there are better options for the money.
Just got done building one and there are two big downsides. First is the Asrock board does not let you dedicate RAM to the GPU. This hinders performance a lot. I have a 7940HS mini-pc that out performs this setup when it should not be. Second issue is AC whine. Didn’t except it from a power brick but it’s atrocious and enough to make me regret building it. I was expecting a small quiet system which it is not.
The 8700G is not good for gaming with how overly expensive it is for what it is, but this is probably one of the only videos I've seen so far where that APU is actually decent and useful for the use case of what his sister needs it for. Don't get me wrong, it's actually pretty Impressive for what it can do for gaming, but for the same price you can get a lower end CPU and GPU that will blow it out of the water. Even if you like smaller systems, you can still build a small system with a discrete GPU. I think the 8700G will definitely heavily fall in price eventually, and maybe then it will actually have a more compelling price to performance for gaming usage.
My htpc is in the k39 case (AliExpress sourced) AND has room for a dgpu (though it hasn't had one since the pandemic started, as i gave it to my cousin so he could game) Gotta get even more spage efficient! Flex ATX helps
nice lil system that is a huge improvement over old machine - she should make her old box a nas or proxmox/debian file server - upgrade memory and add 2.5 - the entire setup will last quite a few more years/does the job - going to 64g ram will be nice upgrade she can do in a year
Yeah, TBH my MB backplate and dock have USB-C now as well as the two on the back of the MB so I have rarely used the one on front, but it's great to have it.
I built this case with a 7600 in an ASUS B650E-I with 2x32GB CL40 DDR5-5600 - just 2 CU, but the graphics are quite capable for that. The way to go with AM5 is undervolting, both GPU and CPU (ASUS's GFX Curve Optimizer setting doesn't work; use the one in the AMD BIOS menus), while RAM and Infinity Fabric might be better overvolted, a little at least (I used 1.35-1.4V and 1.25V respectively). You need a lot of tweaking and testing with OCCT and y-cruncher Hybrid NTT (FCLK stability) to get the most out. I couldn't get RAM stable at 6000, but BCLK to 102.6 on 5800 Mhz with tweaked timings to get to ~5974Mhz CL34 worked, while keeping the memory controller just shy of the maximum speed that it would change gear ratios if it went higher. I cooled it with NH-L9a-AM5, NA-FD1 duct, and a 140mm iPPC 2000 I found on Overclockers resting atop the mesh. Dissipates ~118W even with the more-concentrated load, had to drop GFX to 2640 to maximise full-core CPU+GPU. It can even render Stable Diffusion on the GPU in ROCm mode! Several seconds per iteration, but still... next upgrade, KryoSheet when the paste dries out.
This is my favourite case and nearly the exact rebuild I have planned this year! Glad it's getting the attention it deserves. The old revisions actually did have a bulge in the mesh but the central bracket accommodated thicker rear drives (even optical drives) which was adjusted to improve CPU clearance.
Nice build. For light overall use, A series chipset makes sense - BUT, Paul - for the HDMI expansion accessory price, some equiv B650 chipset ITX (even Asrock) would be same price as A620 + HDMI adaptor and have a 1xHDMI, 1xDP monitor out. Choices , choices... (Im still sitting here annoyed at 600 series MB even at A-level chipset getting built in I/O shield, meanwhile my TWO X570 MBs (ATX, mITX which is ROG!, still didnt get that. Booooo )
I hope your sister knows enough to store her files on hard drives due to the short life span of Solid State Drives. How much life is left for the used one you put in her PC?
Very nice. I am not a big gamer but like to build my own PC's. My comment is, I don't see the utility in building this small. A computer case can fit pretty much anywhere and other than the novelty of building small for small sake which you have, I don't see the benefit as even a MicroATX can fit pretty much anywhere including the floor. But I like your part selection and perfect for your sis. I try to look after the computer needs of my family as well. Thanks for all the years of great PC content.
🙂 these small ones are very useful if u want to gift a Gaming PC to a family member in another country, u can easily put them into your carryon, its either something like this or a laptop, you also can take a SFF Dell which is pretty small too just slot in a single slot video card and u got a sleeper gaming pc
It's possible to slip this into a bag along with a keyboard and mouse for a week or weekend trip, which isn't really feasible with larger systems. Of course if you do that regularly a laptop is more suitable, but it's not the same at all in terms of expandability. I agree for a more static system microATX is probably a better deal.
That is a wonderful practical pc. On a side note. I am getting a Tower 300 for a new case, but they are sold out. Decided it was time to replace my Enlight 7237. How long does the referral work for?
I built almost the exact same build. Used the asrock b650 board and the id cooling is55. I play COD with no problem. Used the china A09 3.8 L case. Went with the seasonic 300 watt power supply. I’ve seen up to 207 watts of draw while gaming on my kilowatt.
What a lovely little build. Paul, please do let us know if Steve from Hardware Unboxed calls you to reprimand you for your choice of CPU (he's not a fan of the 8700G).
Nice pc but im looking for a 4-5L ITX Pc build with a RX 7800XT. That would be the ultimate small with full gaming performance. I know there is a 4L Pc with a RTX 4060 but non with a RX 7800XT because its needs triple slot.
you're a kind brother, I love to see a fit for purpose build that achieves solid performance for its application without overspending on flair and powerful hardware that won't see daily use. your sister seems like chill person too :)
