I feel MC eiht 1000%, I always felt like Pac died from his loyalty to Suge and not because he was trying to be a gangbanger. Loyalty was very important to Pac. His beef with Big started when he felt Big knew he was gone be shot at Quad studios and didn't warn him. Pac had beef with Snoop before he passed cause he felt Snoop did not have his back after Snoop went on hot 97 saying he loved Biggie and Puffy and that Pac was the one with the problem. Pac fell out with Dr. Dre after he felt he was not loyal to Snoop during his murder trial.
Eiht needs a solo show but then again, he doesn't. He does because 1: it's effortless to listen to this OG drop wisdom. 2: He thinks before he speaks, not so much of an emotional reaction. It's like a rapper once said "Realness is an act that you cannot rehearse." He doesn't because: I notice he doesn't seem to want the spot light or to hog the shine which shows his wisdom. He has a level of discretion. Legend! 💯
Puffy and Biggie hired South Side Crips and Keefe D and Orlando Anderson... them dudes got offered one million and also the ten thousand for the medallion... what you think those killers gonna do? And they were sloppy as fuck, Keefe D is photographed at the Soul Train Awards protecting Puffy and Biggie by pulling a strap... his boys were at the mall, at MGM outside Club 662, and visiting Biggie and Puffy when they didn't get paid the one million at the Vibe after party but we gonna gaslight ppl and never say that what was confirmed happened just not mentioned again to protect Puffy
That interview when he was 18 yrs old, Pac looked as intelligent, as wise, and as socially conscious, than the vast majority of 18 yr old black males. People need to quiet down with all the revisionist gibberish that he was cursed from the word go.
No one is “responsible” 4 pacs death because pac made his own decisions. Although I do agree with how suge should have prevented pac from hitting baby lane. Rip Tupac
Yup once he had his mind set on doing something he was gonna do it. Apparently part of the reason him and Suge were so close was pac wasn't scared of him
@@mexia23 Exactly the one thing everyone around him says including the old heads like Ice T was that he was extremely hard-headed. Suge couldn't control him, but he should have told the MOB guys to leave him out the street stuff.
PAC was 25 years old. Yes an adult by law but who else remembers when they were 25? Looking back I was and I believe others as well were mentally still growing. I thought I knew it all at 25 but didn’t know shit lol. Keep that in perspective when judging PAC’s decisions in some the matters he was involved with💯
True but we also are responsible for our decisions no matter what. Being 25 or younger won’t stop the accountability to what you do, if he were to be the one killing instead of being killed he’d still be held accountable for his actions rightfully. That’s just what it is.
The average 25 year old isn't commiting violent crimes and getting themselves into mess like Tupac. 25 is also an old enough age to where someone is emotionally and mentally mature. That's 7 years past high school for a lot of people. Pac acted like a teenager
I grew up in Gardena but attended private school in Compton during the 90s. By age 25, I can most definitely say I knew better than to assault a crip/piru - especially one who had a name for himself on the streets. And I think that goes for any hood. Whether it be Chicago, NY, whatever. They ain't even honorable like that when throwing hands. Guns are always the go to for "resolve." Pac had a deathwish.
Facts Eith. Loyalty is what the 🐐 stood on. The two things I took serious growing up was LOYALTY and RESPECT. I stand on both since my 44 years on this planet. Rest Up 🐐. Yes Sirrr 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Suge didn’t misguide him, Pac was grown. However Suge didn’t protect his investment. Suge should have kept Pac out of the street stuff. Suge didn’t seem street smart, because after jumping Orlando, Pac should have not be riding the Vegas strip hanging out a sunroof.
Death rows image was streets man . All the drama sold. Pac acting like a lunatic sold. I don't know what suge could do to another grown man. How do you expect him to keep him out of the street stuff? Even parents have hard time keeping an eye on their kids all the time. You don't seem smart at all saying that suge wasn't street smart. How does a guy like him that rose from streets/gangs and violence to a multimillionaire CEO not street smart?
Pac is a street G too so pac has his decision, and is better to die as a man not coward, what makes pac a soldier? Because he's straight and bold G, you can't come to my territory and snatch things claiming you are a gangster and untouched and then I let you go, I rather die when you touch my love ones, that's loyalty in real, and that's why pac gets the world respect period, you fake Gs should be blaming him because you know how deceive your own friends.
Yeah Suge could have hired the MOB guys but made it clear the artists are off limits. He let them talk him into getting put on, MOB tattoo. Hustling all the way backwards and it killed him.
@@CakeFace86 It appeared Suge did that because he could live vicariously through the Mob himself. From what I hear, he kinda paid his way into the Mob and didn’t come up in the gang like most people so. Suge was smart, educated and came from a two parent home, but he likely was entitled, being a D1 football player, and later connected with celebrities, connected with a gang behind him, probably made his entitlement become dangerous.
I truly believe that's exactly what happened, Pac wanted to prove his loyalty he just picked the wrong dude to mess with Baby Lane but I believe what Eiht says cause if someone did all that to get me outta jail & get me back on my feet, I would definitely feel like I owed them something 💯
Yes sir I agree... But the fact that when pocket out of jail he went to the studio that night and started recording hit after hit after hit, which turned into straight gold for Suge... And as far as the loyalty thing... Suge Knight did not bail Tupac out of jail because of loyalty... He did it because he saw a golden opportunity.... Potentially one of the greatest rappers that could be, in a vulnerable position, that he could exploit do his own maximum of benefit... And yes I bet Suge Knight was very nice to him as long as the Golden goose was laying golden eggs... Had nothing to do with loyalty to by Tupac... It's called friendly extortion... What do you think would have happened the second are Golden goose stop laying golden eggs?... Clearly Tupac must have realised what was what... Why would he be loyal to that?... I don't believe Tupac did what he did because of loyalty... I think he trying to be the physical representation of all the tough stuff he was rapping about, thug Life... And that was his opportunity to physically manifest the thug life that he was rapping about and believed he was apart of.... Only the retard didn't stop to think, that's the most dangerous people in the world are the people with nothing to lose... All those people have is their manhood they're in their reputation, and if they'll all lose that they'd be a zero basically... So no matter what that was coming back to him, might I add that most paybacks of this nature are 10 fold whatever you're paying back... And Tupac punch someone in the face, and in return he got shot four times, and died bleeding out and gasping for breath in the middle of the road in the arms of a cop, the people that he hated most... Good Notice Suge Knight had him in his presence at all times?... Or as much as possible?...
MC Eiht is completely in tune with the streets and the street mentality. After all these years he’s the first one to break the Tupac shit down so anybody could understand. Now everybody go play “Goin out like geez” off the We come strapped classic album
The most real stuff I heard about the situation, 2pac was young but still a grown man. Im sure if he could relive that night he would of left Orlando Anderson alone and told the homies man forget that we'll handle that some other time.
MC Eiht is a good explainer for real. And yes Pac's tragedy was an accident, he definitely owed Suge and so Death Row every loyalty he could give. It's just too many accidents in life and any of it could cost you your life. Pac was human too. RIP Makaveli.
No he didn't boy. Reggie Wright was the head of security and Wright ordered that no one carry guns in Vegas. Said he had some inside info that anybody on death row records caught with a gun would be arrested and charged. Pac also didn't wear a vest that night in which Suge was fully aware of. They had no security entourage in Vegas. You must be a chicken little that often speaks on things that you really know nothing about. Go clean your room
Plot twist: 2 Pac influenced Suge to put feet on Baby Lane. Both had charges but Suge saw Pac not giving af so he wanted a kick in to feel like he did something because I heard Suge rarely ever got his hands dirty cause he had people for that.
@@rgtwergf I would say, careless and confident, even when you shouldn't be. Money doesn't move everybody. That was our strength when we were communist/socialist. The Black Panthers, Kwame Ture, WEB Du Bois.
LOVE that bottle at 2:37. You fill it with water at night and keep it in the freezer, so that next morning you go out in the summer, you have cool water to drink and don't need to spend money on refrigerated bottles from the store. Looking at that big pillar of ice inside brought back a lot of memories man. That's that humble shit right there, respect to whoever brought it to the studio.
People always talking about Suge influenced him, look at Dre. Big Suge got Dre out of a bad contract, they started Death Row, Dre would go to jail and Suge would get him out. Dre hanged around Big Suge before they fell out and Dre wasn’t acting like this; he wasn’t trying to impress Suge. How come Pac couldn’t be like that, he could’ve still been loyal to Big Suge even without trying to impress Suge. Pac just moved on the environment he was sort of a follower at times.
I looove listening to MC Eiht interviews. He, KRS One, Willie D and LL Cool J are the only men in Hip Hop who speak with sense imo. The other rappers from their era act like childish grown men imo.
True! Although that same mentality is was lead to his death. Then In the end Suge is now unable to help himself. Time has went on and people have grown up and aren’t those same individuals with that same thinking. Most have had children and are living an adult life and can careless about those things that have no place in there lives today!
Loyalty will just put you in a bad situation. I was loyal to some cats or at least I thought I was and it never got me anywhere every time just help them out for the moment. I was just watching Blood In Blood Out last night. Loyalty got Miglo nowhere. Just got his leg shot off and put in prison for most of his life. When it came time for older homie to be loyal to him not only did he not return the favor but at the very end he still didn't want to be loyal to him. Meglo had to be scandalous to Montana just to get somewhere maybe that was the lesson in that movie and maybe Tupac should have saw that movie and really seen between the lines
You perceived to be loyal to the cause, but it's in retrospect, unhealthy attachment to the wrong people ie scheming manipulative ones who feed off your loyalty to boost their perceived inflated cred. I've walked that puerile path too. It got me questioning what loyalty was when the scales fell off my eyes.
@@mohammednasirdauda8998 you sound very wise. I'm battling with that still to this day. And you're right I was loyal to the wrong people. Life's really all about choices.
@@rawwslap Thanks. I learnt the hard way, got burnt for being naive or for myself preservation & worth to myself ... our empathy & self worth to ourselves tends to drift us to people who only care to use people when they need who they need to solve their shit. some thing i call chewing gum paradox; it is only useful when it is still sweet.
There’s one thing I don’t agree about. When he said someone gives you a podcast and equipment you gonna be loyal, I don’t think it applies to this era. Loyalty is long gone. People are more entitled and opportunistic than ever
Why are people dismissing Southside was Bad Boy's security if Buntry Heron or Tre hit Orlando they was still gunna get Pac or Suge guilty by association they just needed a reason.
It's a fact what 8t speaks about loyalty. I remember asking tha neighborhood big homie why he fcked wit tha "Hood Drunk" so tight and he said when tha Drunk was respected and "Up" at one point in life he asked him for a dollar or two because he was broke and hungry. This was in the 1980s btw, he said tha Drunk went in his pocket without asking any questions and gave him 20 dollars. He's still loyal to tha Drunk to this day!
Tupac have a rap song, killing me in my sleep. Somebody needs to give Snoop Dogg a lie detector test if he pass I would give a random homeless person $100 every month for life
I like MC Eicht. BUT the answer to the first question was SUGE a bad influence on Tupac ? The answer is definitely YES!! 100 %. Suge was ultimately a gang leader, he was a gang leader more than a business man and those gang politics was ultimately what killed Tupac. And Yes, Suge got him out of jail, Yes, he gave a job, and a car, and house etc.. and Yes, anybody would have took that deal in those circumstances. However all money is not good money. And on a side note Tupac's bail was 1.4 million dollars. The cost to bail out on a million dollar bond is 100,000. He said 2 million in the interview. Story been told so many times that the numbers get confused I guess. But Suge was definitely a bad influence on Pac because when he got with deathrow in less than a year Pac was dead! It seems like Pac was there for a long time, but nope only about 8 or 9 months. Then on top of that, Suge was robbing him. Tupac 's money was supposed to go to his mother Afeni. She said in an interview Suge didn't give her shit!!!!!!!!! He was NOT a good friend, He wasn't even a good MAN. But every dog has it's day and that's why Suge is in jail NOW!!!! Lost everything, the company everything!!! So for Tupac although he made his own decisions as a man it's a case of hanging with the wrong crowd.
Omg it just hit me Mozzy trying to be like my dawg damn it's scary how much Mozzy comes to mind wow listen to his voice carefully then look at Mozzy interview
as much as I hate jail. sometimes jail can save u. just imagine if pac wudda did his whole time, maybe he wudda learned certain shit n maybe wudda cane home moving different. by him getting bailed out dat made him disrespect a lot of shit. if he wudda did his whole bid, maybe he wudda came home respecting not only other people but respecting his self n wudda lasted longer
And we wouldn't have all his albums and unreleased material we hear 2day..his death was inevitable..he had alot on his chest to spit out a classic masterpiece..it was his destiny for us to listen 🎶 to his music even it costs him his life 😔
people just cant accept that Pac wasnt more than he was, a young and still impressionable man. of course Suge influenced him, he helped influence an entire generation. good or bad the dude was Him. Pac was Him but there are degrees to anything.
True he did get him out but was this man really his true friend? Was Suge just doing business? Anyway most of us from back then have had children and have changed our lives. Too bad PAC didn’t comprehend that being a Thug at the age of 25 wasn’t the best thing in life after all. My Son is 28 and he has learned from seeing the mistakes that cost his friend there lives and time away from there family’s. I told him he had a choice just like PAC did and he made a wise decision. He just got his bachelors degree and has a beautiful wife and children. I’m living proof that change like PAC said is always good!!
Again, absolutely no-one mentions Tupac had untreated PTSD. This goes over everyone's head. PTSD is horrific, paranoid, obsessed with revenge fantasies, fatalistic, impulsivity, explosive, night terrors, exaggerated startle reflex, fight or flight triggers. Tupac died because of untreated mental health issue.
This is a good point. Dude had a lifetime full of trauma from his upbringing his father and aunty in prison for murder to FBI agents following him to school to all kinds of death and destruction around him
That’s a grown 51 yr old man’s perspective right there. Ppl forget that Pac died at 25. A lot of us almost died a couple times in our 20s cuz of the reckless shhh we got into lol. Suge came & got Pac when he was a couple months into his 1.5-4.5 year bid in prison. Everyone turned on him & he looked out. Pac would’ve done anything for Suge at that point.
