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OverDrive hosts Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan are joined in studio by TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie to get his take on how Auston Matthews contract negotiations and ultimately what he signed for impact Mitch Marner’s future deal.

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@gigatron2008 5 лет назад

the tension, signing and dealing with Leaf player contracts is almost more interesting than the actual game itself!

@turkelsimon 5 лет назад

Bob has been in the zone on this stuff. Great work

@leaf_fan_b3829 5 лет назад

McKenzie just admitted that the Toronto Media will say and do anything to cause controversy in Toronto Sports

@TheMCricket 5 лет назад

Leaf_Fan_ B we all know that

@nikantropov3165 5 лет назад

Bobs a beauty

@WiZ111112 5 лет назад

and proceeds to fill every narrative. Not nearyl as bad as sportsnet though.

@SDSOne 5 лет назад

This isn't a contest it's just a statement of fact but with 3 teams there, I wonder how much worse it is in NYC with 5 teams constantly being lied about and scrutinized and that's before the hockey teams get involved. And the media doesn't bother to focus on the hockey teams because there's no time especially when there is generally positive things or so negative it's not worth reporting (Isles every year aside from this one) and they actually underreport on the Tavares stuff with islanders fans looking like mini Philly fans. It's almost laugh out loud funny when I hear about a nyc bias in the media because it's not even a debate that it's more difficult to win not to mention that the media actually does have some impact on transactions. Simply because teams would rather not deal with a player than have to answer the media about him if the team isn't good. Odell Beckham and many coaching decisions are affected by the lies and story creating. And worst yet is there are so many people that so many people take the side of the media against their own teams. It's insane.

@aikhis 5 лет назад

McKenzie says from Toronto, and one of the several media companies he appears for.

@coryguzzo6153 5 лет назад

I jus come read the comments to learn how to be a GM LOL

@bradweirca 5 лет назад

on 5 comments? how long you been waiting to say that?

@coryguzzo6153 5 лет назад

Well with every other feed too today Ill be scoopin Dubas job in no time

@arcticmonkey3 5 лет назад

cory guzzo next time try a website that teaches English 👍

@11DNA11 5 лет назад

@@coryguzzo6153 Doesn't require to be a GM to understand math. They're fucked in some area, no matter what the result is.

@coryguzzo6153 5 лет назад

Well lets jus say Ive never seen Dubas and Superman in the same room before...He can and he will..Sure mite lose a few pieces, but think about who they have locked up ☝

@LB-me4ch 5 лет назад

I hate to say this since I'm a Marner fan BUT if the Leafs sign him at his asking price it will be a mistake. I think he's a really good player but the league , other teams are starting to catch on to his moves. The way he plays.His numbers will drop not rise. He was pretty invisible in the Boston series. I think players should prove their worth to the teams they play for before the big contracts are signed.

@conorthompson89 5 лет назад

You could say that about his previous 2 seasons. Other teams did "catch on to his moves", but look what happened the following season, he came back out and played better. Marner has proved his worth by getting better every year, who's to say that next year and the following years won't be any different. Big contracts early aren't bad, it shows commitment from the team and can really motivate a player to get better and really work for the money and earn it. The only reason why we're having a discussion about whether Marner is WORTH 11m is because the Leafs can't afford it. If Toronto could afford to give him 11m, then the discussion would be about when he signs it, not for how much. Because if Marner leaves, then the fanbase will collectively kill themselves from sadness. Marner is going to sign for as much as the Leafs can afford to give him, for whatever term that he wants. Most likely 9.5x5 or 6.

@ry4nx 5 лет назад

the gm's need to stop throwing big 8 year deals at these kids though. Now you got a bunch of young talent that hasn't been developed thinking they're worth superstar money. This has been inflating the value of players for years now i'd say.

@LB-me4ch 5 лет назад

@@conorthompson89 I still do not support giving players big contracts just because they had two good seasons. I need to see him win awards and excell in the playoffs before he gets paid what the media is reporting he is asking.

@careyblake4522 5 лет назад

Exactly he only played a 94 point season cause contract talks were coming up and cause of Tavares. Other wise he would have had 94 points his other two seasons too

@LB-me4ch 5 лет назад

Since I responded here my view is starting to change on Marner. I'm starting to not like the guy...I don't believe the Leafs are low balling him. At this point I say trade him as long as there's a good deal to be made. Look at what happened with Matthew's. A 5 year contract and he probably will walk . I have no issues with Matthew's but for some strange reason I get the vibe he wishes to be playing elsewhere. At least Tavares wants to be here!

@TurboFly07 5 лет назад

@ 4:00 A really good argument is made for why the salary cap should be related to local taxation laws and graduated accordingly - per team.

@bobbybeemer4810 5 лет назад

Decibel completely agree

@deedee6172 5 лет назад

I still think Marner is better than Matthews. Marner plays PP PK leads team in points. Only has 3 less goals than Matthews. And most important Marner is more durable. Marner produces no matter where or who you put him with. Matthews has always had a top quality winger or wingers by his side. Matthews does take face offs but then slide to the wing. He doesn't do the dirty work down low or in front of the net like a typical center.

@gilmarkman2948 5 лет назад

He might be a better player but centers are always more important than wingers.

@careyblake4522 5 лет назад

What r u smoking Matthew's has more points per game than marner and almost double the goals than him, Matthew's has 111 goals in 212 games marner has 67 goals in 235 games . U know nothing man

@reyhaze5044 5 лет назад

Maybe they should've signed Marner when he was a 60 pt player and didn't have JT on his line lol

@dannyseymour3226 5 лет назад

Bob McKenzie is the absolute best. No one reports on the game so objectively. Almost every statement is based on fact and if it isn't, he makes a disclaimer before he says it. If Bob says it... I believe it.

@ronbonora7872 5 лет назад

Thank you Mr. Hunter for drafting Mitch Marner. He maybe small compared to the big boys, but few skate and use their hockey brains like Mitch. He is fantastic to watch! If Marner had Matthews size, he would be the next Mario Lemieux.

@ronbonora7872 5 лет назад

@Chuck Bouvier if he was the same size, he would be the next Lemieux.

@itsmark1991 5 лет назад

Can someone explain what the benefit of paying most of Mathews salary through signing bonuses is? Does it not effect the cap space?

@MrKarnefalos 5 лет назад

markiss M dosent effect cap hit, players like it because they get the money sooner

@bobbybeemer4810 5 лет назад

markiss M it’s for lockout protection. If there’s a lockout they get the money from signing bonus but not their salary cuz they didn’t play so now players want lockout protection so they want most of their money in signing bonuses. It still goes towards the cap though. Toronto has a pretty decent advantage because they have so much money they can offer players lockout protections. Other teams aren’t as rich and can’t offer that to players

@mikesacrey3003 5 лет назад

It makes the contract easier to trade three years from now because the leafs pay the signing bonuses, not the other team, and most of the contract would be paid at beginning, so other team wouldn't owe the player that much,

@itsmark1991 5 лет назад

Makes sense, I was thinking if it didn't affect the cap hit then Toronto could essentially afford to do this with other players as well

@tomwilson3969 5 лет назад

It effects the cap. It always does. Or Places like Toronto and New York could just throw money around and be super dominant in the league. Could you imagine what the oilers would be right now? It’s to protect their money from the lockout. If there is a lockout they still get paid. Their salary however would not get paid cause they don’t play.

@brandonnarayan5796 5 лет назад

I bet initially Dubas wanted this: Matthews - $11.5M Tavares - $11M Marner - $8.5M Nylander - $6.5M $400K more for Nylander is something they can work with, but another $1.5M - $3M for Marner will make a dent. Even if the cap is $83M next year.

@whippin1335 5 лет назад

Brandon Narayan I gotta say at the start of the year I thought Marner would resign around the 7.5-8 range... won't be under 10 now and that's gunna hurt

@jordan-sp4db 5 лет назад

Marner is worth more

@michaelprice2296 5 лет назад

I agree. If it is 9 or 9.5 for Marner that is OK too. They can set Mitch up with a similar bonus structure to Matthews so in that way he is on par with him for the first couple years as well. If Mitch isn't giving a hometown discount then who is??? LOL The kid grew up a lifelong Leafs fan. There is no way in hell he makes it so that they need to trade him where the return would be massive by the way : )

@michaelkirkpatrick7483 5 лет назад

brandon - think you're probably close to what leafs envisioned. they did not anticipate nylander's greed and lack of character (they have to trade him this summer), nor how explosive a player marner has become. he can make the argument he's just as valuable as matthews. he might take less, but not as much as leaf nation thinks. could wind up being 10.5 if he hits 100 points this year, and has a great playoff performance.

@michaelprice2296 5 лет назад

@@michaelkirkpatrick7483 if they win the cup and he gets the conn smythe i don't care what they pay him :)

@jaypierre5993 5 лет назад

Just make it happen!!!

@dr.rosterrier246 5 лет назад

It ends up with Nylander being traded sooner or later

@dimitrosg 5 лет назад

Or Marleau??

@anthonydrouin7548 5 лет назад

Lillegreen on his offside?

@michaelkirkpatrick7483 5 лет назад

@Ello - maybe they should ask him to retire early, and offer him an assistant coaching position, or something in the front office. wouldn't hurt to ask... let's not forget that he's very respected by the entire team, one of their off ice leaders and mentors. can't put a dollar value on that. not all about the stats all the time

@coolandtrending 5 лет назад

@Ello Nylander has two goals, both nothing goals as they were scored late in blowout games. Aside of that, he has been worth absolutely nothing. Kadri is worth way more than Nylander. For more information, look at the team's play before Nylander signed and then after he signed.

@michaelkirkpatrick7483 5 лет назад

@Ello - kadri may not be flashy, but he plays an important role on the team. has some grit, best defensive centre, best on face offs and other key situations. he makes 4.5/yr, bumped from 2nd line to 3rd line, never said a word of complaint, he's local guy, wants to win the cup as a leaf, team before himself etc. now look at nylander... he's the exact opposite. sooner he goes, the better, he's a toxic cancer... trade him in july

@RICHTVLIVE 5 лет назад

It is gonna be big

@hockeysnipes3656 5 лет назад

The problem is if he doesn't budge and stays at 10 to 11 million then you got 40 million, 50 million with Freddie and Morgan. It will just turn in to them having to fill out the roster with cheap players of not the best quality like Chicago so they won't be able to add and quality defensemen to improve the defense. All this without even advancing past the first round.

@marcm.3888 5 лет назад

Marner at 3yrs for 9M makes sense to me. If you want him under 10, itll have to be 3 years.

@coreyhenry4955 5 лет назад

9.955x3 probably makes the most sense... great pr move to the fans it's a great chance to bet on himself and get a higher salary sooner... but I would bet the marner camp says 9.955x4 makes a lot of sense to them

@jamiestotz7315 5 лет назад

10% of another 9.955 mill would sound good to anyone.

@PD-nt3vt 5 лет назад

Let’s make it happen. Get your money Marner

@TheStallionforce 5 лет назад

Marner is a better player than Matthews actually. He's also Canadian, and from Ontario. There's no way he should make less than Matthews.

@Kyt2024 5 лет назад

The statistics simply don't support the argument of Marner being a better player than Matthews.

@TheStallionforce 5 лет назад

@@Kyt2024 I disagree - depends how you interpret them. Generally, Matthews doesn't make the rest of the team better. Marner does. That's what playmakers do. But you've absorbed the Americanized dogma of the new NHL -- that only goal scorers matter.

@TheStallionforce 5 лет назад

Besides -- the game isn't played on a calculator -- it's played on the ice.

@Kyt2024 5 лет назад

@@TheStallionforce Never said it was.

@Kyt2024 5 лет назад

@@TheStallionforce Goalscoring is the single hardest thing to do in the NHL, so the idea that it matters more is well founded, and not "americanized dogma". Also, Matthews has been making his linemates better the entire time he's been in Toronto, as has mitch. You're trying to throw away objective data and replace it with subjective things like "doesn't make the rest of the team better" - which I doubt is really a position you can support. Since entering the league 3 years ago, the ONLY player in the entire league who has a higher even strength point rate (again the hardest type of production) than Matthews is Connor McDavid. The only thing that's been holding Matthews back so far is a little bit of injury trouble that we can all hope is behind him, and frankly, his coach. Marner and Matthews are both amazing players and we're lucky as hell to have both as Leafs, but Matthews is the better player, the Center, and the elite goalscoring (2nd to only Ovechkin since entering the League). Those qualities have always garnered more money in contract negotiations. Maybe the trend will change here, and if that's the case, I could see Mitch get close, as he's not a far drop from Matty, but this all remains to be seen. Current league comparables dictate Marner should probably be closer to 10m than Matthews' 11.634m

@khuo0219 5 лет назад

Wondering why tavares scores so many goals? How about wondering why marner has so many assists? The knife cuts both ways. I like Bob McKenzie most of the time, but he is creating fodder for controversy for the sake of it because it's the Toronto media.

@khuo0219 5 лет назад

@@Irvine860 he is about to get some. And what was your point exactly?

@kelvinwilson1516 5 лет назад

Marner did it last year for Kadri. Think about it whoever plays with Marner does better.

@Roller11111 5 лет назад

@@Irvine860 maybe because the Isles were a dumpster fire organization while Tavares was there? 🤔

@topperharley3363 5 лет назад

He earned it

@OneEyedKeys 5 лет назад

Matthews may be the 'poster boy', but I assure you all, and this panel, if Marner were to go, the fan base would be shell shocked and their hearts would be empty. He needs to stay a Leaf for the bulk of his porductive career.

@ronbonora7872 5 лет назад

yes, Marner is a great talent!

@combat_sportsbuff2637 5 лет назад

lol

@kulaemmerson1338 5 лет назад

He is the heart of the team!! He is a very talented player!! Mathews gets pushed a bit and he is out with an injury every year!! Marner plays winger, defence, centre and kills penalties!! They best pay him what he wants!!

@chriskennedy86 5 лет назад

LOL, especially if nylander is still here, i would be sick to my stomach. Nylander has to go! the money is not there.

@combat_sportsbuff2637 5 лет назад

@@chriskennedy86 If willy can deliver the type of season i know he can than marner will not be missed if he's getting 10.5m+ willy and mitch can score around same amount of goals

@rene6608 5 лет назад

Marner seems more productive than Matthews and he also doesn't disappear in playoffs

@coreyhayward1141 5 лет назад

Did you watch playoff hockey? ..marner was useless, matthews was amazing.

@maritimerslivesmatter5068 5 лет назад

if the leafs had to give up either marner or matthews i think theyd keep marner

@codyboucher8085 5 лет назад

AJAY he’s 21😂 wtf is the rush to go win now? Not everyone’s a bandwagon

@robertlongwill8856 5 лет назад

If you think that you're an idiot. You need a number 1 stud Center. I love mitchi but a player like auston is hard to come by

@kulaemmerson1338 5 лет назад

Maritimerslivesmatter 506 I hope they do!! Marner is the heart of the team!! He plays winger, centre, defence and kills penalties!! Mathews is a good player but if someone pushes him he is out with an injury... it’s happened every year!!

@robertlongwill8856 5 лет назад

@@kulaemmerson1338 Mitch Marner plays defense center and wing are you out of your mind. Auston Matthews is a much better player he's the rare commodity called a stud first line centerman. He's a best goal scorer 5 on 5 outside of Ovechkin and maybe Crosby. He goes to the dirty areas. I've never seen Mitch Marner play center I've seen him take the on Face Off but never play center for a full game and sure as hell never played defense you're an idiot but most Maple Leaf fans are because they don't know what the hell I'm good hockey player would look like or a good hockey team. SMH I find people like you pathetic and pitiful you're a tool and don't bother getting back on me because you have no clue what the hell you're talking about if you think Mitch Marner is the heart of the team BS

@robertlongwill8856 5 лет назад

Maritimers lives matter obviously your hockey knowledge does not matter LOL you're an idiot if you think the Leafs can survive without auston Matthews. I love Mitch Marner but number one centers are a very hard to come by. Matthews is the leading goal scorer five-on-five since he broke into the league. He had five goals and seven games against Boston Bruins in this year's playoffs all I saw was Mitch Marner disappearing. Then again most Maple Leaf fans don't know what they're talking about just like most Toronto sports fans SMH

@fasteddie777666 5 лет назад

Mathews gets hurt often....he's not worth it !!!!! Marner is worth more....if i was Marner....time to move on somewhere else...hopefully a good team !!!

@careyblake4522 5 лет назад

Matthew's has more points, almost twice the amount of goals, is a premium center and is the 2nd best goal scorer in the league and #1 goal scorer in the league for even strength goals.

@Caballito3061 5 лет назад

should have traded nylander when they had the chance

@adityaezhuthachan5250 5 лет назад

They can still trade him.

@Caballito3061 5 лет назад

Aditya Ezhuthachan they can but, the way he is preforming right now they wont get as much in return compared to what he was worth before he signed his new contract

@adityaezhuthachan5250 5 лет назад

@@Caballito3061 Maybe, but impossible to say. I think TML fans probably overrated his value to other teams back then. And there are still teams who would trade for him now. I'm thinking Carolina.

@gerrynunya1066 5 лет назад

@@adityaezhuthachan5250 I haven't spoken to a single Canes fan that wants Nylander anymore. They want Kappy.

@coolandtrending 5 лет назад

I would want Kapanen too if I were them, but the fans don't make the trades. If another team wants Nylander, do it! Good luck to him and the team that picks him up - I hope it works out well for them. But we have to put personal feelings aside and do what's good for the team. $72M already for the cap, minus Horton's contract, only leave $16M to work with. Marner will get at least $10M. Hopefully they don't make a mistake on this. An offer sheet or two will put a huge dent in the team's present structure. No easy way to do this.

@mrobviousp.o.t.o1875 5 лет назад

I told all you know it alls you should’ve traded nylander after signing him

@michaelkirkpatrick7483 5 лет назад

mr obvious - i wanted him traded last year. i well remember how greedy and selfish his dad was as a player back in the day, and a jerk to boot, so there's the dna factor. his dad always went on cruise control after he got what he wanted, until the contract was expiring

@mrobviousp.o.t.o1875 5 лет назад

Yep lol... everyone that plays with Matthews will have career years... they will understand one day sooner or later hopefully

@positiveminus11 3 года назад

This aged like shot mr big brain

@kelvinwilson1516 5 лет назад

Somebody gives Mitch an offer sheet and leaves Kyle with egg on his face

@jamievickers9068 5 лет назад

A $10m+ offer sheet gives us a huge return.

@kelvinwilson1516 5 лет назад

@@jamievickers9068 I think a lot of people will call for Dubas' head.

@jamievickers9068 5 лет назад

Agreed my friend. Just stating that no club would give that return.

@thestlouissniper9089 5 лет назад

It gives you guys a 1st 2nd and 3rd lol.

@Roller11111 5 лет назад

@@thestlouissniper9089 you realize that a compensation of a 1st, 2nd and 3rd is in the 6.1-8.1M range. Leafs match that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

@isiirpriizz 5 лет назад

crazy thought but if a team was to offer sheet Marner at 12 mill would it be smarter to take the compensation and use the 4 picks to trade for a replacement such as Tarasenko and he only makes 7.5 taking the team out of cap hell

@andrewlawlor3584 5 лет назад

Take the 4 picks for sure! Hell you could then try and sign panarin depending how much he wants. If not then yeah you’ve got a lot of picks to trade for a winger just as good as Marner or even if the player is a little worse then it’s so worth it

@parkerthompson5681 5 лет назад

But what team is willing to give up their next 4 first rounders?

@Bjha85343 5 лет назад

@@parkerthompson5681 according to the Toronto media a lot of teams are willing

@kelvinwilson1516 5 лет назад

Screwing a local boy won't help the Leafs the next time they want a John Tavares

@ry4nx 5 лет назад

who says St Louis would even consider trading tarasenko?? looks like he's enjoying st louis right about now. you think you can just grab dibs on any player? this isn't Be a Gm Mode on NHL19

@josephpark3813 5 лет назад

Marner for 10.5 and nylander is getting his groove back.... That 6.9 will look like a steal next year

@micphor 5 лет назад

Hahahaha

@breakaway2x 5 лет назад

I love Tavares as a player, but that signing is what did the Leafs in. They promised they wouldn't take shortcuts and expedite the shanaplan, but they did. Hope the Leafs win the Cup soon because this team will not be able to sustain themselves and will have to be broken apart due to cap issues. The secret in NHL to win championships now is to win a cup BEFORE your players become stars and sign the mega contracts.

@chainfire 5 лет назад

If I’m the Leafs I’m pitching the sponsorship deals to Marner. No other market will give him as much publicity, corporate dollars, or hype him up as much as a player. In a quieter market like Carolina he doesn’t become a Patrick Kane comparable $ Player before winning a playoff round

@jamievickers9068 5 лет назад

I do believe all on that panel and anyone who viewed now owes $16 to the Marner jar.

@JTT1996 5 лет назад

what about the Ontario minimum wage?!

@shawnalexander1305 5 лет назад

That's enough. Put it back down to 9.00 Nation wide

@shawnalexander1305 5 лет назад

15.00 an our to bag groceries and grab carts 14 hours a week for high-school kids. In that case, marner deserves 14mill per year

@MineCraftDadnSon 5 лет назад

Dumbass comments

@wolfe9515 5 лет назад

lolllllllllllll

@shawnalexander1305 5 лет назад

@@MineCraftDadnSon how is that a dumbass comment. Are you going to pay part timers $15 out of your own pocket? I sure as hell wont

@ericl1255 5 лет назад

If a team offers marner over 10-12 million and toronto cant match then that's (4) 1st round picks...

@32muziek 5 лет назад

Mitch Marner would REMAIN a HUGE favorite player in Toronto if he signs for about 11.5 million for 5 years (Not counting the endorsements he may not get otherwise).

@jomama8156 5 лет назад

Slot Marner between JT and Mathew's. Pay Kappy. Let Gardiner walk. Trade Zeitzev and Brown and Johnson for a D.

@amonamarth55 5 лет назад

Agree 100%

@ry4nx 5 лет назад

.. so then you got 3 guys making 10m+ , Nylander at 7, and then you got to sign kapanen who's probably going to get Nylander money if not a little less. no room for money to establish back end so you'll probably slotting in alot of young defencemen in the lineup which not a good thing since they usually take quite a bit longer to develop. they need to trade 1 of the big 3 names there alongside some smaller names for some better D

@travene1 5 лет назад

kadri, nylander, zeitsev, gardiner, johnsson, kapenen, from root to stem. Leafs need the hound and the mountain on defense.

@jacobcummings4823 5 лет назад

I feel like nobody's considering the offer sheet scenario...

@blairanderson2043 5 лет назад

Because the cost is most likely far too high for most, if not every team. For starters Mitch has to sign the offer sheet which means the price will most likely have to start with an 11, then the team would have to give Toronto 4 first rounders (not every team even has their first round selection for the next 4 years). I suspect if there is going to be an offer sheet, it will be on either Kapanen or Johnsson as the price is much more palatable for teams.

@bradtaylor7120 5 лет назад

If the leafs don't match an offer sheet it will take 4, 1st round picks

@aliboroumand8981 5 лет назад

I don't know why everyone expects ufa money to be thrown at RFA's. Point, Rantanen, aho, Laine all up as well. Use those guys as market comparables when signing marner

@abdullahb6039 5 лет назад

I have an idea maybe it’s stupid maybe it isn’t but with the leafs having a player like Marleau who is an impact player with a large cap hit and also old so they don’t need him really right and if they can’t afford to keep mariner wouldnt u rather have hm than marleau right? But also the thing is I’m sure the chemistry built between marker marleau and Mathews is also a key factor in the process so if Dubas says ya we can give u exactly what u want but then we will have to let a player like marleau go wouldnt that possible shape mariners decision to take less because of the chemistry he has created? Also I am not aware if marleau has a no trade clause and if that’s the case then this really doesn’t work

@LL-ce8dr 5 лет назад

come to Philly McKenzie & be our Team Analysist..hehe... you can help alot of teams with your hockey sense 👌✊💥🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

@imthebeatplug_8319 5 лет назад

Money is gonna break this team, I hope not and I'm not even a maple leafs fan but man these players from all teams need to learn it ain't about the money

@dtcub8217 5 лет назад

Marner > Matthews this is a no brainer Sign the kid Oh yea it’s the maple leafs nvm just trade em

@codyboucher8085 5 лет назад

Marner is not better then matthews😂 I love marner but just stop...

@Rylan_SW 5 лет назад

He is. Playmaking ability is top 5 in the league and he can still shoot the puck

@mikekerr5754 5 лет назад

Marner is better than Matthews until Matthews starts playing with heart and grit. Plus how many full seasons has Matthews played? Oh thats right he is 0 for 3! Dont get me wrong, I love Matthews but I cannot believe Toronto signed this contract with him when he only plays 3/4 of the season.

@dernickrawmeat7712 5 лет назад

I can’t agree that Matthews is the “poster boy”. Marner is the better two way player and as long as he stays healthy he should have a longer NHL career then Matthews as his shoulder is already becoming an issue early in his career.

@thegamersparadise 5 лет назад

I HAVE A QUESTION: So it says the Leafs still have 13.6 Million in Cap Space for this year! What are they gonna do with all that?? I'm wondering if Kyle Dubas could of used that for Matthews & Marner in Signing Bonuses? And just like take it off this Seasons Cap? Or would that not be allowed? Because if he could of, man, that would of helped the future of the Leafs drastically right?? But I'm not a General Manager so I don't know all the regulations or restrictions about the Cap.. Does anyone out there know???

@LB-me4ch 5 лет назад

I don't agree if the Leafs pay him Mattews and Tavares money. There is a premium price teams pay for being picked 1st in the draft. Marner was 4th overall not 1. Still... not saying he's not a really good player but thats just the way it is. When you get paid the big contracts there is added pressure to live up to that contract plus the pressure of playing in Toronto is alot higher then other cities. I don't believe he can handle the added pressure and I'm afraid to see his performance dropping if he signs big. I would rather see a short term contract.

@SHXHXBKHXN 5 лет назад

Best solution is to trade zairsev and marleau. 10 mil freed up right there

@corradodistefano6795 5 лет назад

as much as i agree with u for z idk bout marleau. its clear he want to retiree her back in toronto, he wants his kids to finish school here. not only that but hes such a leader in that lockey room marner and matts would be a little ticked to see him go and the leafs dont want that so let marleau stay (as hes still producing) but deff trade z

@WarReport. 5 лет назад

What comes back?

@corradodistefano6795 5 лет назад

michael debolt it would mostly be just for cap dumb

@m_mallz7781 5 лет назад

Marleau has a no trade clause on his contract. Zaitsev, Gardiner, Hainsey went be back next season to make room to pay for Marner

@johnb1877 5 лет назад

Maybe San Jose wants Marleau back for a playoff run trade deadline. But Marleau has great chemistry with Matthews and Marner on off the ice. But Leafs need to move salary for Kapanen and Johnsson. Kapanen will need $5 million and Johnnson $ 3.5 million per season. Marleau $6.2 million could cover those salaries including trading Connor Brown for a pick Brown $2.1 million.

@patrickleaver7549 5 лет назад

The idiotic Tavares signing will sink the Loafs. Marner wants his due and they have no cap room.

@careyblake4522 5 лет назад

I always said signing tavares was useless. Hymen-matthews-nylander line dominates the NHL and had they of stayed they would have been even better now cause chemistry gets better over years

@tompriestley8221 5 лет назад

It was really really really funny

@joeypereira7047 5 лет назад

Have you ever thought about how many assists Marner wouldn't have without Tavaras? Who would marner be playing with if they didn't get tavaras. They already had the top line, so Kadri and kapanen and as good as those players are, they are no Tavaras. That would be my answer if his agent brought that up or Marner did.

@randygeene9455 5 лет назад

Yes, Tavares was inthe position to score, but he wouldn’t if Marner hadn’t worked his butt off to get him the puck. It takes a team. Any of the comments that all of the players made through out the season indicated that Marner made all of them better players. So does he deserve as much as Matthews....absolutely. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

@NyRangersfan1357 5 лет назад

Remember when RFA years were worth less than free agent years. Damn those were the days

@jamiestotz7315 5 лет назад

and they were mostly 3 or 4 year deals. if it was 1992 marner would get 3 yrs 3.35 mill per season. even with inflation to the present , its still a fraction of todays typical earnings for rfa's.

@johnb1877 5 лет назад

The only concern the Leafs should have is in 2 years Leafs will need a new coach unless in the next two years Babcock wins a Cup.Babcock might be a Raps Casey great regular season chokes in the post season.

@thebosniangaming4425 5 лет назад

10.16 x 6 plus endorsements that probably make 1-2M/year or something adds up to 12 total

@ozzydo2314 5 лет назад

What was tavares condition qhen signing again? To play with marner. Mathews may be the face but marner drives that offense.

@mikeveroni 5 лет назад

But can he grind on the forecheck like Johansen?

@Krokodilius 5 лет назад

marner can ask whatever he wants. the team didn't even exist without him this year.

@maydanlex 5 лет назад

There's some truth to this...maybe a lot of truth. He makes everyone around him better.

@adbyee386 5 лет назад

yeah the team didnt exist without Marner, are we all just ignoring that he plays with Tavares now or...

@Krokodilius 5 лет назад

would you also like to ignore he was the top leafs' scorer last year with bozak missing 5 tap ins per game or?..

@adbyee386 5 лет назад

@@Krokodilius Is almost goals a stat I missed? Matthew's was top scorer btw, Marner lead in points but only by 6 with 20 more games played. Marner was a -1 and Matthew's was a +25. funny thing is Bozak was actually a +6. Not to mention Matthew's only started getting PP minutes this season, Marner had 27 points from the power play last year. Matthew's had 13, so in 20 less games Matthew's actually outscored Marner in 5 on 5 play

@adbyee386 5 лет назад

@@Krokodilius I'm not here to say Marner isnt a good player. But the entire fanbase has put Matthew's on the backburner, while Marner has benefit from every possible scenario. Signing John Tavares, keeping the same line all year, playing a full season. If Matthew's plays a full 82, hes going to lead the team in points. Now if you say Matthew's cant play a full season, how can I argue. But youd think as leafs fans we'd both want Matthew's to play a full season.

@careyblake4522 5 лет назад

Finally someone agrees with me mitch is not worth Matthew's money winger dont cover anywhere near the space centers do and teams pay more for premium goal scorer rather than assisters. No winger in the nhl makes 11 million NO WINGER and their is better wingers than marner simple. He only averages 70ish points

@Listman11 4 года назад

Why are the leafs the only team that can't get hometown discounts? Boston is the best at it. And the results show.

@UBSDREAMZz 5 лет назад

I find it pretty unfair that the TBL have lower taxes which allows them to "underpay" elite players which allows them to have such a deep team due to more cap space. Can't do anything about it though. The only solution I would think of is raising the cap for teams that have higher taxes.

@screeechbud 5 лет назад

look at signing bonuses too.... toronto can do a lot more than most teams in that way.

@joshspektor4389 5 лет назад

Auston Matthews Well then, sucks for you. The player when signing the contract acknowledges that. And also, if this was so unfair, tell me why Florida isn’t a contender. They literally play in the same state. Dallas and Nashville have a similar “advantage” and they have 1 cup finals appearance combined since the cap was implemented. You need good drafting and a constant pipeline of good players on ELC’s to build a good team.

@Bruins_63 5 лет назад

ImDifferentOk Not having Zaitsev, Marleau, Horton contracts surely helps... But yeah, this taxes situation should be taken into account on the next CBA - just like signing bonuses the rich franchises like the Leafs give

@dankiusmemeiusmaximustheth1648 5 лет назад

You can thank your socialist healthcare for that bud

@dghvdhfhhb6405 5 лет назад

ImDifferentOk But Leafs Have signing bonuses a lot of it. And they have players that will make so much endorsements

@giantsfan1259 5 лет назад

be my guest and give up 4 first round picks for marner if you really think its worth it

@peterhurdle6608 5 лет назад

There is no questions if im arizona im signing him. They are close to make the playoff add a talent like that your chances improve alot.

@Roller11111 5 лет назад

@@peterhurdle6608 IMO the Coyotes haven't been much better than the Leafs from 10 years ago and was deemed close to making the playoffs. Even adding a very good young talent (Kessel) they were still a lottery team. First three years after that trade Leafs were slotted 2nd, 9th and 5th overall. If the price is that high on four first round picks with a good possibility one of them is a lottery pick I'm letting him walk. Would free up lots of cap space to use elsewhere.

@tyleryellott7698 5 лет назад

The leafs gotta trade Nylander and retain half that contract, sign Marner at 11 flat, and sign a few other guys. You may lose Kapanen, but that’s okay.

@michigan_made4900 5 лет назад

I really don't see marner getting 11mill...even with him being the third most valuable player on the team... I feel they will try to fuck him around.

@NotAsianButFlip 5 лет назад

I almost wanna say trade JT instead...he's older and wont be as good later in the future...id rather keep all of our skilled young players...

@parsoumash 5 лет назад

10.5 mil seems about right for Marner.

@stormrider927 5 лет назад

Marner won't get as much because he isn't a center... Mathews took less he could have gotten 12 13 million... Tavares turned down 13 Nylander could have gotten 7.5 7.8 easy. Marner signs for 5 years at 8.5 or 9

@robertjensen2514 Год назад

I'm tired of you guys calling him a premium elite goal. Scorer He's nothing without Marner passing him the puck. He proved it when they split them. He couldn't score goals. He was a ghost in the playoffs. Again, give your guyses head a shake. He chokes when there's pressure

@mparrischell 5 лет назад

Marner won't get more than 9.5. Kucherov gets that and Marner is not better than him.

@Devilsfan-pd8ov 5 лет назад

There is a big tax difference between Florida and Toronto dork

@mparrischell 5 лет назад

@@Devilsfan-pd8ov There's also a huge surplus of asshats and inbreds who are Jersey fans.

@johnb1877 5 лет назад

Sign Marner 6 years $10 million per season.The reason why Matthews is 5 years I would not want two UFA's being the same year, most players won't walk but Tavares changed that idea.Of course in 6 years we have Nylander as a UFA. But trading these guys at the trade deadline in 5-6 years will generate a great return.So LeafsNation relax. Meaning Leafs will have a great team for 10 years. Enjoy the ride.

@alexzander7416 5 лет назад

Other than dollar value and term, what's going to be the team cost if and when Marner signs? Please if you're a fan of Nylander in Blue&White this comment isn't for you. If I was a betting man my money is on the Canes acquiring him and with a good return as another rhd and Ferland with salary retained in the deal oh forgot the pick as well. They've paid a big chunk of his salary already. Hey he'll probably look good in redwhite&black.

@kevinacres1699 5 лет назад

Marner has proven to be the most consistent and very productive.

@bumrules9480 5 лет назад

I truly dont care. All that mattee. Is this season right now. I cant worrie about next year. We need cup this year.

@kevinbrown4300 5 лет назад

How did that work out for you?

@joewlos5607 5 лет назад

Gotta love these guys talking like the Leafs are some great team that need to be kept together , they haven't won shit. Haven't won a playoff round in over a decade, and now will be tied to 4 players making the majority of the cap.

@jina8860 5 лет назад

Joe Wlos 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

@JackHaveman52 5 лет назад

What they're talking about is a team that has the potential to win it all. If that team is broken up, there goes that potential and we're right back to where the team was at the end of the Kessel era. Another rebuild. That's what we're talking here. The loss of a great potential. How do we keep that potential in Toronto? How do we prevent the team from falling apart before they've had the chance to even mount a challenge? That's what the discussion is about.

@jina8860 5 лет назад

They need to get rid of Babs and get some good defence and the lines set up properly than this team will be sick don’t need anything else

@chriskennedy86 5 лет назад

Canadian teams need to start using the dollar as a factor like American teams use tax in negotiations. TB signed Kucherov for less money because Florida has the lowest income tax of anywhere, his contract is worth 11 million in any other place. These players are making American money and living in canada. 25% on every dollar spent. Just does not make sense.

@underwaterculture2625 5 лет назад

crosby's cap hit is 8.7 mil/yr. Sad to see players these days wanting money instead of a cup

@Luchoveli 5 лет назад

Marner with a 8.5 - 9 mil for 5 would be perfect, but really TRADE NYLANDER PLEASE!!!!!

@TinnieTa21 5 лет назад

I would say that Marner will get around 10.5-11 mill.

@TheTruchan125 5 лет назад

no one is gonna take nylander. he's contract is awful

@zascorpusa 5 лет назад

HOMiCiDE CLYDE Marner will get and deserves more than Matthews

@MyName_Jeff 5 лет назад

@@zascorpusa Not a chance, marner is a winger.

@amyarchibald8112 5 лет назад

TheTruchan125 if they could trade phaneuf, they can trade nylander

@swingeasyguy 5 лет назад

what's going to happen in two years when Morgan wants 8 per season and Freddie about the same?

@danh4435 5 лет назад

Freddie doesn't deserve 8... 6-7 nothing more..

@ernmondwong1448 5 лет назад

Get rid of Freddy. He’s had his chances.

@AD-Dom 5 лет назад

Who the fuck cares. They just need to have heart.

@lucasrozmus9388 5 лет назад

Stupid that players care more about money then the team and the goal

@NachDeaDSilenT 5 лет назад

Do you care more about your salary or the success of your company?

@pt1125 5 лет назад

Theorist well if the success of my company makes me a superstar then I can live with that especially when we’re talking about 10-15% of what I could have earned else where, I’ll take the cut thank you.

@michaelkirkpatrick7483 5 лет назад

lucas - yeah it's stupid also that they now get paid up front for what they're going to do, not for what they've already done. nhl owners have to take some of the blame for salaries rapidly getting out of control. players way too greedy. could be a lockout coming...

@stevesuh1059 5 лет назад

Lucas rozmus that statement you just made is so retarded

@capellamidlight 5 лет назад

It's always so easy to get mad at other people for wanting money. Funny how hundreds, in fact, thousands of players have rolled through the league and have fought and clawed for as much money as they could possibly get, and they all grew up loving hockey and to live the dream of playing in the NHL and winning the Cup. With that kind of sample size, kind of suggests that just about anyone would do the same in that position, doesn't it? So maybe don't point fingers.

@michaelprice2296 5 лет назад

You might want to add to this commentary that Marner wants to be a Leaf more than anyone. He grew up a lifelong fan of the team. He wants to win a Cup in Toronto so he knows they can't mess with the cap that much so they can add the right players around them. The cap hit for Matthews is less than most anticipated. Marner will likely come in with a good cap hit too where they set him up with the same signing bonus structure as Matthews with 15M for the first 2 years to be on the same page as him. Not that difficult to figure out. :)

@michaelkirkpatrick7483 5 лет назад

michael - i agree that marner will take a discount. how much remains to be seen. will be a miracle if they get his signature on less than 10m/yr. think leafs had 21m set up all along, 12 for matthews, 9 for marner. looks like 21.6 total now. crazy money getting paid out all over the league... hello lockout... nhl has to save the owners from themselves yet again.

@michaelprice2296 5 лет назад

@@michaelkirkpatrick7483 the leafs have the $$$ : ) if there was no cap then they'd really open the vault lol. i just hope w/the cap that marner allows enough to add missing pieces. take the big bonuses like matthews so that he is on par that way at least.

@steveaustin16 5 лет назад

Marner will get 12 million a season, if not from the leafs from the team/teams that make offer sheets!

@b.o.4469 5 лет назад

Lol

@andydino3325 5 лет назад

Marner will get 6yr, 10.6-10.9 a year

@natefoulon 5 лет назад

GM Jim here, talk to Marner and give him 5 mil for 1 or 2 years then when marleau's contract is gone give him his 11, BAM problem solved

@vincedenapoli3093 5 лет назад

N-D Jim good idea GM Jim

@chaosloc 5 лет назад

I'm betting Marner at 5x9.5

@TheTruchan125 5 лет назад

nothing less than 10.5mil for marner

@chaosloc 5 лет назад

@@TheTruchan125 we shall see. I just have a feeling Marner will go short term at a low dollar to help the team short term and then cash in big after.

@michaelkirkpatrick7483 5 лет назад

i think he gets 5 x 10

@arthurfleck1209 5 лет назад

10 for 8

@corradodistefano6795 5 лет назад

they dont want him and matts to expire on the same year so deff not 5 years

@9090Glenn 5 лет назад

1. there is not ONE person in the working world who does not honestly truly believe they are worth MORE money than they are being paid 2. you can ASK for whatever you want - the problem is if NO ONE believes you are worth that amount of money - where does that leave you? 3. Mitch Marner WAS a very popular player in Toronto until he chose the Nylander route - like Willie - Mitchie is going DOWN in popularity way fast - FAST 4. GREED does NOT win Cups 5.this bunch of players has already PROVEN 3X that they are NOT able to get out of the 1st Round yet want Cup win dollars 6. I would sign Mitchie for whatever he wants - then I would package him and Willie on the next train OUT of Toronto to bring in players with attitudes like Johnsson and Kappy who WANT to play here for reasonable loot - you cannot tell me that either of those (2) at 3.5 million a year are THAT much less than greedy Wille + Mitchie at 20 million combined !!! - NO WAY are a few more goals in the regular season and disappearing acts in the playoffs worth that much a year - any idiot could play on Tavares line and get those numbers - a potato with a hockey stick stuck in him would do as well - in a word - OVER-RATED Marner _ Nylander - ship them BOTH out for some top line D'men - in case you wondered for the past 50+ years - DEFENCE WINS THE CUP - offense has NEVER won a Cup - even Edmonton had solid defence

@joshmakeshift 5 лет назад

marner 4 at 10. so he can get paid when he is ufa

@careyblake4522 5 лет назад

No team would agree to that toronto loses out in 10 different ways

@snazari1994 5 лет назад

Mathews at 8x13 is laughable. He is overpaid as it is and so is nylander

@UBSDREAMZz 5 лет назад

They're overpaid because of the high taxes in Toronto, I think they are first or second for highest taxed areas. I find it pretty unfair that the TBL have lower taxes which allows them to "underpay" elite players which allows them to have such a deep team. Can't do anything about it though. The only solution I would think of is raising the cap for teams that have higher taxes.

@rubenr2655 5 лет назад

You have to consider the salary cap increase...

@kelvinwilson1516 5 лет назад

Matthews hasn't played a full season yet unlike Marner

@discoveryman59 5 лет назад

Leafs will NEVER win with Marner, Matthews, Nylander two of the three need to go and the Leafs need to draft players with HEART not these gutless players they have.

@ernmondwong1448 5 лет назад

Let Marner go. He’s not built for the playoffs and he can help us to land a D man.

@taxi615 5 лет назад

I think Toronto will loose Marner he's asking too much it looks like a trade asking price to me. If Toronto signs him to a 10M+ contract they will be saying goodbye to the future because there is no way in hell Toronto will be able to keep all 3 players in 5 years time and doing that all the defence will suffer because they won't have anything to give to get decent 2-4 top defence players. I say trade him now while he's still worth a ton of cash and get a number1 defensive player there with maybe top prospects. I don't like the way the league is going all these players being greedy and not looking at the long game as off cup win only thinking of money. Good thing there's a CAP otherwise players be asking for 20M+ for scoring 20 goals or having 1 season of 90 pts. It's ridiculous, Micheal Jordan said it a while back players are paid not on what they do but what potential they have before proving themselves. I don't get why these players can't take 1 or 2 M hit to keep playing together and getting key players in to make the weak spots better Chicago players did it Tampa did it, if Toronto wants a cup like really want a cup not just getting paid they should think about these things. I don't care how good Nylander thinks he his but he opened pandora's box and now all the players having 1 great season are taking teams hostage. NHL has become a no passion league.

@lebenonbong 5 лет назад

O Dog is hating this topic... he’s golfing in his head right now.

@bdevine7509 5 лет назад

can someone put a sock in Noodles mouth?

@seanholt892 5 лет назад

Nylander will be traded that is the only way marner stays a leaf

@TheUniverseAroundUsNews 5 лет назад

I bet the Leafs get Marner for $9.5 million.

@agi2160 5 лет назад

I bet you're at least 1.5 million wrong

@JohnnyBuschi 5 лет назад

Marner to the Isles. He's with them right now.

@kevinbobandy532 5 лет назад

Marner is worth every penny

@BrandonContracting 5 лет назад

If the Red Wings Ken Holland had any balls he'd offer sheet Marner...

@harrykane9593 5 лет назад

Marner will be signed before July 1st so he won't have a chance.

@BrandonContracting 5 лет назад

@@SnapIntoaSlimJim1 if you knew anything you'd read your comment again, only to see that I was referring to the former RED WINGS gm Ken Holland... But hey..

@Diamonddee426 5 лет назад

Edmonton should go after him. When they draft in the first round, it's terrible anyways. This way , mcJesus has an elite winger.

@donnamcfarlane1289 5 лет назад

Marner is face of franchise. Plays 82 games. Leads team in points. Best player...on team with JT and AM. Nuts

@siadab2926 5 лет назад

Marner is not the franchise player

@donnamcfarlane1289 5 лет назад

@@siadab2926 Point leader with a team that has John Tavares. How is he not? PK. PP. 5on5. What more could he possibly do to be the franchise?

@aaronmaxim 5 лет назад

Can they just frontload marner and even kapanen to 8yrs.....restructure Matthews in year 4? Other factors with so many other players but wouldn't that be a possibility.

@rivahkillah 5 лет назад

No. Frontloading doesn't work because the salary cap hit is based on the the whole amount of the contract divided by the number of years.

@rivahkillah 5 лет назад

@@aaronmaxim K, what I'm saying is that even if you frontload contracts, the NHL doesn't care when they calculate a player's cap hit, so there's no reason for a team to frontload a contract. Also, restructuring contracts isn't a thing in the NHL (as in, not allowed by the CBA).

@aaronmaxim 5 лет назад

@@rivahkillah that's why I made a new approach. I thought Zdeno Chara had a front-loaded contract but maybe not if it just comes out the same way in the end.

@BurpsMcGurps 5 лет назад

I know this is a few months old, but you aren't getting Marner for less than 10 now lol. He had a great playoffs, he produces more efficiently than Matthews does, he's a better face of the franchise due to his personality, he's a far more creative player than Matthews with his play making ability, and he's a great two-way player that plays on both ends of special teams. The ONLY thing killing him is that he's not a center. He's not an elite goal scorer, but he's got a great shot. If he's put in a role where he needs to score goals, he can do it just fine. I think he's going to get 5-6 years at 11-11.5 million. The narrative around the signing will be that he took less than Matthews, but at the end of the day, the Leafs will be in MAJOR trouble building a team around these guys. They basically need to win before Freddie's contract expires. They don't have very promising goalies underneath them, and if they want to extend Freddie, he's going to cost 7 million or more. They simply cannot afford those big signings after Marner.