MCU Trouble: What Were the Early Signs?

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In this video, Sean Chandler dives into the first signs of trouble for the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) starting from the very beginning of Phase Four. We explore the highs and lows, the theories that hooked us, and the projects that left us questioning the direction of the MCU. From the intriguing start with WandaVision and Spider-Man: Far From Home to the disappointments of Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Black Widow, we break down what worked and what didn't.
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Title: The First Signs of Trouble in the MCU: Phase Four Analysis | Sean Chandler Plus
Description:
WandaVision: Theories and Disappointments
Spider-Man: Far From Home: Teasing the Multiverse
Falcon and the Winter Soldier: Formulaic Letdowns
Black Widow: An Underwhelming Phase Kickoff
Thor: Love and Thunder & She-Hulk: What's Going On?
Blade and Fantastic Four: Development Troubles
Conclusion: The Scattershot Feel of Phase Four
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The MCU's Phase Four: When Did It Start Falling Apart?
WandaVision Hooked Us, But Then It Played With Our Minds!
Multiverse Teased, Multiverse Denied: MCU's Broken Promises
Spider-Man: Far From Home's Big Letdown - What Went Wrong?
Falcon and the Winter Soldier: A Buddy Cop Formula Fail?
Black Widow: A Lackluster Start to MCU's New Phase?
Thor: Love and Thunder & She-Hulk - What's Happening to the MCU?
Blade Delays and Fantastic Four Drama - MCU in Trouble?
MCU's Phase Four Feels Scattershot - Can They Recover?
MCU's Phase Four: From WandaVision to Chaos - What Went Wrong?
MCU Trouble: What Were the Early Signs?
MCU in Crisis: Early Warning Signs Revealed
MCU Downfall: Identifying the First Red Flags
MCU's Early Signs of Trouble: What Went Wrong?
MCU Trouble Ahead: Spotting the Initial Issues
MCU Problems: Early Signs of a Struggling Universe
MCU Warning Signs: Trouble from the Start
MCU's Rocky Start: Early Indicators of Trouble
MCU in Peril: What Were the First Signs?
MCU's Initial Issues: Early Signs of Trouble
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VIDEO SUMMARYThis video contains Sean Chandler Talks About's
"The Decline of the MCU: An Honest Breakdown"
"First Signs of Trouble for Marvel's Phase Four"
"What Went Wrong with the MCU: From WandaVision to Love and Thunder"
"The Downfall of the MCU: A Fan's Perspective"
"Disappointing MCU Moments: From Moon Knight to Black Widow"
"Marvel's Phase Four: Where Did It All Go Wrong?"
"Why Marvel's Phase Four Feels Off: An In-Depth Discussion"
"From WandaVision to She-Hulk: The MCU's Struggles"
"MCU Phase Four: A Series of Missteps"
"The MCU's Identity Crisis: Exploring Phase Four's Failures"
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@mugen9147 14 дней назад

They can’t pick a plot line, they put out stuff no one really cares for, expecting people will care because it’s the next entry and not putting any real thought into it, taking a hammer to characters like Hulk and Thor, among other things.

@BaithNa 13 дней назад

They put out stuff no one really cares for, about characters that no one really cares for. They could take the same scripts that failed, insert popular characters and they would have done better.

@tmac731 13 дней назад

Falcon and Winter Soldier was nice but There is 0 reason why we havent had a Captain America movie yet

@SmootchieWallace-vl7wd 13 дней назад

We kinda did. I will say there's a plot point in the marvels regarding Carol Danvers that should've been a movie before

@lurkzie 13 дней назад

New world order ?

@ytuser_3122 12 дней назад

Falcon And Winter Soldier should’ve been Cap 4

@tmac731 12 дней назад

@@ytuser_3122 facts a movie about him not accepting the shield would’ve been a story arc

@trelwarren 11 дней назад

@@ytuser_3122 wasn’t it supposed to be a movie at first then they changed it?

@paakdisayaniyom 13 дней назад

For me the first "bad sign" is the fact Doctor Strange : Multiverse of Madness wasn't as "Madness" as how title said, after finished the movie I suddenly knew that MCU had lost major factor that makes each previous Phases a banger which is something Phase 4 serverly lacking...

@omega8042 13 дней назад

Yea doctor strange 2 was missing something that we’ve never seen before. Should’ve included a clear good villain with high stakes on the line pushing the story to connect with the final big bad. Instead the story was kind of mid, effects were great though as well as the action and some of the cameos. I wish they could have played a bigger role in the film. I wanted to see some high end space battles perhaps incursions, and dark dimension shit like in the first one with dormamu which I thought was very cool. Perhaps they should have done a story that followed more of the first movie which was a pretty solid film.

@ytuser_3122 12 дней назад

I hated how this MULTIVERSE movie set in the MULTIVERSE Saga called MULTIVERSE Of Madness didn’t explore the madness and didn’t serve as a building block forward to the MULTIVERSE Saga

@NinthShinigami 14 дней назад

I wrote the same thing on the short version of this, but I can’t help that my thoughts are the exact same 😂 Once we got Black Widow, WandaVision, Falcon, Eternals, and Hawkeye all within the same year, it became apparent to me that the franchise was directionless. I forgave it in 2021 cause ofc we just came off of Endgame, but if you ask me now in 2024, I would say the franchise now feels like it’s going in one too many directions WHILE feeling aimless 🤣 it’s one of the many reasons I’m so turned off from the franchise and have pretty much dropped it…

@filminfection1707 14 дней назад

They should’ve kicked off phase 4 with a bigger movie than black widow

@trelwarren 14 дней назад

Yea a better version of Antman 3

@BaithNa 14 дней назад

And they should have ended it with an Avengers movie to both give their characters direction and to give the audience a good jumping on point

@filminfection1707 13 дней назад

@@BaithNaagree

@patricklarsen182 13 дней назад

It started for me in 2021 when Marvel started putting out all the miniseries. The word for this that I’ve heard people use for this is “homework.” And the bigger issue is not everyone watched the miniseries. So when Dr. Strange 2 came out, nobody had any idea why Wanda was evil.

@markburns7854 14 дней назад

Marvel just took their audience for granted and now its starting to bite them in the ass

@BaithNa 13 дней назад

True but they've also taken a note from Lucasfilm and have become antagonistic towards their audience in recent years.

@markburns7854 13 дней назад

@@BaithNa absolutely

@JacksonLane02 14 дней назад

I would say a mix of stuff Black Widow of all films kicking off phase 4 film wise Some of the projects not being too far apart in release like 2 months between shows and 2 or 3 months between films being released And most likely a huge part Covid

@Parker402 9 дней назад

Covid, Jonathan Majors, the Disney + shows (outside of like 2 or 3 of them that were good), the loss of Chadwick Boseman, and not doing a good job of building an overall story narrative around the phase 4/phase 5 movies (i.e. the movies dont really connect with one another like they did in previous mcu phases)

@MichaelTomsyck 14 дней назад

After Endgame, Phase 4 was always going to be a rebuilding phase. It’s not like we would continue to get awesome event MCU projects. So I personally didn’t see too many signs in the moment. Then, 2022 came along and I went “Huh, something’s a bit off here.” I was really excited for Moon Knight, and it let me down, especially in reflection. My excitement for Multiverse of Madness in May of 2022 was through the roof and it ended up letting me down, especially in reflection. I walked out of Thor: Love and Thunder and went “That was fine…I guess”, but the taste of that movie has only gotten worse with age. And She-Hulk was watchable enough watching week to week, but by the end of it and in reflection, that’s a project that treats its franchise like a massive joke. I think Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is well done, but it’s not a movie I feel drawn back to. And then we made it to Phase 5 and it’s been more of the same in regard to wildly inconsistent quality, no through line in the stories being told, lack of established characters showing up, and many more problems. Looking back, the MCU was seeing a decline a while ago.

@NinthShinigami 14 дней назад

Agreed with everything you said here man. I’m also not huge on Wakanda Forever, people can call me whatever, I miss Chadwick but just cause I miss him doesn’t make the movie good for me. It’s a 5.5/10 as far as I go. And I’m sorry you sat down thru She Hulk. I remember my excitement was up for Quantumania as well. Now it’s like my third or fourth least favorite of the entire franchise 💀

@MichaelTomsyck 13 дней назад

@@NinthShinigami Yep. The amount of MCU movies and TV series I’ve been let down by post Endgame is sad for me to think about. Next month, I plan to start watching through a good bit of MCU output because I want to analyze both Infinity Saga and Multiverse Saga projects in contrast with each other. And maybe with some distance I’ll be a little more kind to Phase 4 & 5 output. It’s not terribly likely, but it’s possible. Oh, and with She-Hulk, it wasn’t tedious to sit down and watch, but it stands for something that I actively dislike.

@Edowin-jz2sj 12 дней назад

For me, it was pretty much 2022. I was amazed by everything in 2021 and IMO, it was the best single year of MCU content; I loved all the movies and all the shows. There were absolutely flaws, but there were major strengths with all of the 2021 content. In 2022, Multiverse of Madness felt like a small step down, Love and Thunder like a stumble, and Wakanda Forever felt much weaker than it should have been - this is where I realized there was trouble. My main criticism of the 2022 Disney+ shows is that they ALL were introducing new characters; they should have rotated shows with familiar characters in between these. I actually thought She-Hulk was fine and I particularly loved what they did with The Abomination, but I also grew up on the comic book and I knew exactly what they were doing; She-Hulk was Deadpool before Deadpool first appeared in Marvel Comics and was always a satire on the comics themselves. She-Hulk was also very much in-line with the Phase 1 idea of the MCU where everything was it's own genre (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk) before coming together and blending in The Avengers. But, it was not the year to do She-Hulk given the blend of content that was not quite hitting the mark.

@tristenrodrigue1814 13 дней назад

The other issue is that they've leaned so far into the comedy that nobody wants it anymore. Thor Love and Thunder, She-Hulk, Ant-Man 3, The Marvels, and Ms. Marvel all had terrible comedic jokes in them that nobody wanted and it just turned audiences away. It turned me away at least, it's part of my concerns for the new X-Men movie that apparently is in development as I heard they want a writer that can handle comedy and drama like people don't want comedy anymore.

@AJDaniels99 13 дней назад

I'm in the camp that likes Thor Love and Thunder. I think some people are too harsh on it. There are things I agree with like Gorr not being given enough to do. But also humor is subjective and I think that's where the divide is.

@ytuser_3122 12 дней назад

One project that disappointed me was MULTIVERSE Of Madness, a MULTIVERSE movie set in the MULTIVERSE Saga, didn’t explore the madness and didn’t serve as a building block forward to the MULTIVERSE Saga along with Love And Thunder being a waste of time and space that must be avoided at all costs

@paulc1553 13 дней назад

Quantity over quality from 2021 to present day.

@anthonyrodriguez4905 13 дней назад

With Phase Four, the three projects that kept me going were WandaVision, No Way Home and Doctor Strange 2. Though I questioned why I was watching Moon Knight while it was airing. Then with how Doctor Strange 2 handled Wanda is where I felt the storytellers didn't have a plan anymore.

@BaithNa 14 дней назад

The early sign was Captain Marvel because it made the people at Marvel Studios think they can get away with garbage storytelling as long as they wrapped it in thinly veiled faux progressivism. They rode it into the ground and now they have to rebuild their reputation with general audiences.

@NinthShinigami 14 дней назад

The billion dollars it got sandwiched just before Endgame definitely provided Disney with a wrong lesson…

@BaithNa 13 дней назад

@@NinthShinigamiexactly. Captain Marvel wasn't as bad as some of their recent failures (quality wise) but if it had bombed, Marvel would probably be in a better place right now because they wouldn't be taking their audience for granted

@NadeemShekh-uy9zn 13 дней назад

Nice video

@trelwarren 14 дней назад

Antman 3 should’ve been the second movie in phase 4

@PlayerPrimeX 13 дней назад

Maybe?🤔

@trelwarren 13 дней назад

@@PlayerPrimeX have a better replacement?

@shattawing 12 дней назад

I'd argue the earliest sign of trouble was when Edgar Wright got kicked off Ant Man. Not because it killed the MCU but because it foreshadowed what happens when the scale between artistry and business are imbalanced and what happens when there are too many cooks in the kitchen. Since the MCU has become as massive as it is, there has all the more people involved and the faults just became widespread.

@AndrewGarcia-mn1ho 12 дней назад

2021 for me, I at least liked everything other than Black Widow and Eternals and forgave them for how much stuff was put out. It was 2022 where my thoughts on the mcu shifted. Moon knight was fine but what purpose does it serve. I enjoyed Multiverse of madness initially, but it soured a bit overtime. Ms. Marvel I thought was bad. Thor: Love and Thunder I didn’t hate like other people, but it was still bad. Then the projects they announced at Comic-Con got me back on the hype train, but nearly all of them have been delayed and pushed to a later date. And then hearing all these different projects in development, I was like “not everyone needs a movie or a show”. She hulk was terrible, and Black Panther Wakanda Forever I liked, but have no desire to rewatch it. And that goes for a lot of stuff that came out in recent years. As for 2023, I loved GOTG 3, but i wasn’t gonna let it get me back on the hype train. Quantumania got worse overtime and for me is the worst mcu movie and secret invasion is the worst show for me. Didn’t see the Marvels or Loki season 2 until this past March and while the Marvels was terrible, Loki Season 2 was great. Let’s see how Deadpool and Wolverine turn out.

@lukachkhaidze5238 13 дней назад

Fantastic four is not on its 5th director. Jon Watts was supposed to direct but then Matt Shakman took over and he’s been the director for like a year and a half.

@L.I.T.H.I.U.M 13 дней назад

I think a better direction after Endgame would've been a character-life centric one. A personal/psychological one. Kinda like how Peaky Blinders became more personal/psychological in the last seasons. They ended the character arcs in Endgame which was a high, then they should've built more characters from the ground up with some slow-paced psychological films with some old MCU characters, leading up to another high paced Avengers movie, but they fkd it up.

@zagariasbooysen7401 13 дней назад

Early sign was Thor Ragnarok. When they made Hulk like a darn Grown Baby. Hell even just using bits and peices of Planet Hulk was kinda silly. They should have just do a straight up Planet Hulk from the Start. Because where did Hulk get his Son in She-Hulk. Glad i never watched that piece of dirt...

@lurkzie 13 дней назад

To this day Marvel have still not been able to deliver on the potential of the multiverse

@PlayerPrimeX 13 дней назад

Maybe just ✍️ then

@sergioliden5652 13 дней назад

2:58 I too have Eternals very low in my MCU ranking, but after hearing that explanation, you just convinced me to bump that movie up 20 slots higher on the list😂 at least that movie was worth the experiment👍

@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi 13 дней назад

Guardians of the Galaxy was the first sign. After that movie, they started to slowly make all their movies Marvel comedies. Captain Marvel was next and that showed what type of direction they were taking the franchise in the future.

@ngin98 11 дней назад

over saturation & wrong priorities, I said from the get go there were TOO MANY disney+ shows & what they chose to focus on like why wasnt a cap 4 film fast tracked right after falcon & the winter soldier ended, why are the x-men not in the mcu by now, why has there been no avengers film for over 5 years

@T_R_O_Y_McClure 13 дней назад

The biggest early sign was not taking a break after endgame. We definitely needed a breather after that since we knew it was going to lead into slightly resetting the universe in some ways.

@YY-mi9rf 13 дней назад

Eternals dropping the ball so hard was probably the 1st obvious sign for everyone that Marvel was clueless. All the MCU shows were horrible too.

@Jimmy.22 13 дней назад

Starting Phase 4 with Black Widow was a mistake. They should’ve started it with Captain America 4 and skipped Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Then end Phase 4 with an Avengers movie, smaller than the previous Avengers movies, but a nice way to build the direction of Phase 5 and 6.

@RachelsReviews 13 дней назад

Ralph Boner was a sign for all of us...

@Robotic_Crafter 13 дней назад

They're not helping themselves with all the anti-Male sentiment/themes, She-Hulk glorifying hookup culture, incredibly goofy and out of place humor, delays, no clear vision of the future, horrible CGI, no Avengers, too many unfinished new plotlines....

@lukerota1547 12 дней назад

After Endgame was released, they spent so much time on prioritising quantity over quality. They clearly lacked any sense of vision and it showed heavily in Phase 4. Everything was all over the place and nothing seemed to connect with one another. Everything just felt like pointless little side quests from a video game! There was an overall lack of focus. I also feel that ever since Endgame, there has been a strong emphasis on political correctness. It has plagued almost every single one of their projects ever since Captain Marvel was released. It’s only gotten worse too!

@tonybeltran4366 12 дней назад

what were the early signs? well for me it started in black widow and how they fucked up taskmaster 😒

@UnknownEX0 13 дней назад

For me it was ant-man 2, captain Marvel and the ending of end game was the first signs for me

@patricklarsen182 13 дней назад

Captain Marvel wasn’t great, but back in 2019 it felt like just an individually bad movie

@UnknownEX0 13 дней назад

@@patricklarsen182 but it definitely wasn’t cause ant man 2 was also bad

@patricklarsen182 13 дней назад

@@UnknownEX0 I liked ant man 2 but not as much as the original

@Bullz_eye47 14 дней назад

Too many content per year

@Hawkeyefan22 13 дней назад

Hopefully after 2025 they can do at most 3 movies per year

@PlayerPrimeX 13 дней назад

@@Hawkeyefan22valid point

@Hawkeyefan22 13 дней назад

@@PlayerPrimeX they need to scrap blade too

@zacktobin8026 9 дней назад

MCU was always going to be in trouble after Endgame. To keep going after natural finale that actually worked was going to be a tough sell.

@theslayer2360 13 дней назад

Marvel is still doing fine, everybody just compares new marvel movies to infinity war & endgame. Stop comparing and just be grateful were still receiving enjoyable movies

@Spidergod1128-fd9dc 6 дней назад

Ikr it’s like they want marvel to fail

@davidm.1678 13 дней назад

Frankly, the addition of shows into Canon somehow made the universe as a whole less exciting. It felt more like leaning into the cash grab side and less from the suspenseful movie to movie tease side.

@PlayerPrimeX 13 дней назад

Valid reason being no blueprint plan for the MCU multiverse saga did it work no it didn’t maybe 😂😮😅😊 gotta fix it the writer’s block dudes…

@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 13 дней назад

So many directors, quitting, and falling out with marvel, especially Edgar Wright

@adarshmishra9685 13 дней назад

Haven't you already covered this topic numerous times?

@wickdaline8668 13 дней назад

The signs weren't showing for me till Moon Knight and Thor: Love and Thunder. 2021 was more than serviceable. 2022 is when everyone began to riot.

@Sandra.288 9 дней назад

Mcu is fine people

@Chasing_santino 9 дней назад

It’s struggling

@Sandra.288 9 дней назад

@@Chasing_santinoIt literally makes a billion dollars every year, how is that struggling??

@chrisski3904 13 дней назад

Should have just taken a break off from making content, even a year, and followed same structure as original Phases. Really does come down to quality over quantity

@jahdorose8659 14 дней назад

Not trouble we all know Deadpool and wolverine going to bring it back Snyderverse DCU was trouble just saying

@mugen9147 14 дней назад

Stop the cap bro. MCU is just as bad as DCEU right now, I don’t know what was worse Flash or The Marvels

@ahmadmohammed4212 14 дней назад

Wrong because Deadpool 3 aka Deadpool and Wolverine will not bring back the Snyderverse you miserable liar because it died with finale DCEU movie aquaman 2 the lost kingdom and the old DCEU franchise is huge abysmal failure and it will remain as definition of wasted potential