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Medieval Wire Drawing Bench 

Ironskin
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How was wire made in the middle ages? You get to see my wire drawing bench in action plus a brief overview of some historic depictions. Links to the tools below:
Wire-Drawplate on Amazon:
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Drawing Tongs on Amazon:
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Комментарии : 63   
@Zane-It
@Zane-It 3 месяца назад
This taught me more about how to make my own gold wire than any jewelry channel
@averagedude76
@averagedude76 4 года назад
I would love to see each step in more detail, like making wire from scrap. Or making iron from raw materials. I believe people would love to watch it also. If you upload video’s more often you’re going to become huge.
@TheSeanoops
@TheSeanoops 4 года назад
I would be very interested in seeing you make wire from start to finish. Side note, I know you’re primarily a craftsman and enthusiast, not a RU-vidr. But if you uploaded more regularly, included more commentary on the technical and historical aspects of what you’re doing in your videos, and reached out to members of the HEMA community Like Matt Easton at Scholar Gladatoria, or the Metatron I think you could get at least 15k subs; easy. It would be a really great way for you to inspire more interest in this part of history. Much love from America 👍🏻
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 4 года назад
Hey thank you for your encouraging tips! :) I think I will naturally evolve in that direction. For me, it's important to put out something that's really worth your time. It's a good idea to include more commentary, as long as I can make it dense with facts and new aspects and less blabla. I will also reach out and collaborate with competent people. Of course, it's a lot of effort, but I'm getting faster at it. There will be videos more regularly! Yeah! :)
@marcusmoonstein242
@marcusmoonstein242 2 года назад
Wow! That die is really interesting. In the old days they didn't have tungsten inserts, so the die must have worn/enlarged rapidly. I can imagine the smith would start with the best piece of steel he could find and then make one hole of the smallest diameter he needed in a corner. Then, as that hole enlarged he would make another small hole next to it. He would now have the two smallest stages of drawing on his die. As the die got more and more worn he would add more holes, allowing for bigger and bigger starting diameters as the original holes wore bigger and bigger. After a while he would run out of space to add more holes and then he would start again with a new piece of steel.
@jeanladoire4141
@jeanladoire4141 4 года назад
Very nice, we don't see often people make wire the old school way.
@machineresolve485
@machineresolve485 Год назад
Great video, this is exactly what I was looking for! I make jewelry, so I was interested in the process of how to draw a wire. Now I know it’s with a draw plate and tongs.
@sirbrunomario2881
@sirbrunomario2881 4 года назад
Fantastic, I will build it in the summer
@abcstardust
@abcstardust Год назад
Thank you for this excellent informative video.
@w0t3rdog
@w0t3rdog 3 года назад
Huh, I always wondered how they did wire back in the days. Maybe too much work for me nowadays when cheap alternatives exist, atleast for big projects, but would be fun to have a piece I can honestly say I have made from start to finish... now, to find a source of iron ore. Wonder if any of the lakes around got any for me.
@tacticalfumble
@tacticalfumble 4 года назад
Just found your channel I've been looking for years on videos just like this. Very interested in your work. Thanks
@TimezUp23
@TimezUp23 2 года назад
Very good
@TheNukebooster
@TheNukebooster Год назад
saw your chain mail short, and was wondering about the making of wire. Great to see youve done your homework... for my entertainment at 1 am.
@DobleWhiteAndStabley
@DobleWhiteAndStabley 2 года назад
Taking notes for when the world goes back to the stone age lol. No but seriously please. This was always a hobby of mine and I'm learning a great many things from you.
@EmilReiko
@EmilReiko 2 года назад
Me and a friend is looking into making a 16th century sewing needle making shop, we will need something like this
@killgora1
@killgora1 Год назад
I always wondered how the made wire for mail armor or other wire needs. Now I know. Thank you.
@Ostsol
@Ostsol 11 месяцев назад
Really interesting! I didn't expect that it would be done cold.
@rgraguentassibandeira3414
@rgraguentassibandeira3414 4 года назад
Muito Bom meu amigo !!! Que deus te abençoe grandemente !!! Interessante como os antigos fazião as coisas de maneira simples e artesanal, acho que a humanidade perdeu um pouco disso . Abraço nós do brasil apoiamos você !!
@elainelily9910
@elainelily9910 2 года назад
This is very clever and low-tech just like me. I have so much silver wire I can’t use because it is the wrong gauge, but I am not strong enough to use a draw plate by hand. I need leverage to pull the wire. It seems to me that a person could rig up something using a wooden paper towel rack, replace the rod with a longer one so as to drill a hole on the outer area for a dowel rod to make a handle, use rope, and stick the draw plate in a vice at the other end. Beats holding the draw plate with my feet as I try and pull the wire through. Thoghts?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 2 года назад
Sounds like a plan. I can only add that the wooden bench is under a lot of stress. The parts need to be quite strong.
@user-gs1kj1ey6p
@user-gs1kj1ey6p 4 года назад
감사합니다 덕분에 궁금한게 풀렸네요.
@user-to1tb4lo1q
@user-to1tb4lo1q 4 года назад
I need to make the winding wheel for my bench, after 2 draws my back is in pain
@rp91master
@rp91master 4 года назад
And to think of it, we still do the same as goldsmiths... :D Really nice work, I follow you on instagram as well. Do you have any images of findings for drawplates maybe?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 4 года назад
Thank you for the support! Yes the principle is still the same. Images are rare, but here is one: www.topoi.org/project/d-5-5-1/
@hiroshima19
@hiroshima19 Год назад
how were the drawplates made?
@aaronkidd3591
@aaronkidd3591 4 года назад
I also make chainmail. Butted and riveted but my skills are a bit laking on riveted mail
@TheSeanoops
@TheSeanoops 4 года назад
Aaron Kidd riveted mail is a pain in the butt. *ba dum pts* I’ll see myself out.
@jt659
@jt659 4 года назад
500th sub!
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 4 года назад
Congratulation! :D
@Polymath9000
@Polymath9000 Год назад
Would annealing be necessary for wire drawing as to soften the metal?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin Год назад
Yes, absolutely and more than once.
@cool06alt
@cool06alt Год назад
Heck they even made it from one powered by waterwheel. Not that far fetched since they use waterwheel to power trip hammer. Like someone said, if Renaissance can have Clockwork punk, Victorian era have Steampunk, then Medieval should be watermill/windmillpunk.
@Ghastly_Grinner
@Ghastly_Grinner 2 года назад
this is just making wire into thinner wire I was hopping to see how wire was made
@szasstam5131
@szasstam5131 Год назад
Hey did you ever figure out how they made wire cuz I can’t find anything
@johnnyjanssen3886
@johnnyjanssen3886 Год назад
​@@szasstam5131 They made a very thin sheet of metal. Rolled it up. And then pulled it through the device shown in this video.
@szasstam5131
@szasstam5131 Год назад
@@johnnyjanssen3886 Did they'd roll it into a tube or cut them into ribbens then pull them?
@iris7911
@iris7911 2 года назад
Hi, I came across your channel because I'm trying to find the answer to a very basic question, but without many success... how were they able to make objects perfectly straight like a metallic ruler for example, at that time? It might seem a very silly question but when I look at contemporary industrially made objects I find it fascinating how perfect they are, and I started wondering when were we able to achieve such perfection and what allowed it. I've been making some researches, but if anyone knows a book or website please let me know... thank you :)
@1414141x
@1414141x Год назад
What metal was the draw plate made from ? It had to be a lot stronger than the wire. Also how did they put different sized holes in the drawplate ? It must have been fairly accurate.
@demastust.2277
@demastust.2277 3 года назад
So, is that draw plate good quality? Does it actually squish and stretch the wire rather than rip it? When you got your draw plate, did you have to remove any burs or something along that line of dressing?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 3 года назад
The draw plate is quite alright. It does strech the wire as intended. Yet I managed to destroy a lot of holes. That means I broke the inserted Thungsten Carbide pieces, because my wire was very unsteady in shape, plus on the surface of my wire was a hard oxide layer from the blacksmithing. Meanwhile I'm already blacksmithing my own drawplates. That shall material for a new video.
@demastust.2277
@demastust.2277 3 года назад
@@Ironskin So, should I save my money and forge my own? Drifting those holes is going to be a pain in the rear.
@MythWorks
@MythWorks 4 года назад
How would those plates be made back then?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 4 года назад
I think you start with a rather soft plate of iron and drift holes into it. After that you case harden it.
@dylanmccallister1888
@dylanmccallister1888 Год назад
I bet you the blacksmith used a tapered punch to make the draw plate, so all the hole sizes can be made quickly with one tool in his hand before heat treating it for hardness. he could make multiple identical plates for wire pullers to be manufacturing the same wire in bulk to armor hundreds of troops at a time with near identical maile. you would only be able to pull it through the same way the punch went into the plate, since the sharp edge could cut the wire going the other way.
@marekcabaj4143
@marekcabaj4143 4 года назад
Im making 6 mm rings 1,4 mm wire riveted chainmail shirt with short sleves and i need to know some things 1) how many 6mm rings do i need for 10 times 10 cm chainmail piece ? 2) if my chest circuit is 135 cm how big should be chainmal circuit, should be tha same or i need some space between my chest and shirt? 3) its worth to add solid rings in chainmail? what are the pros and cons? will it make it lighter ? Thanks for answers
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 4 года назад
Hey Marek! 1.You would need 258 rings and they would way 121 g for 10 times 10 cm. That is an aspect ratio of 4.28 It is strong and heavy. There are historic examples like that. Personally, I would make much lighter mail. more like aspect ratio 6.6. 2. That's tricky because the chainmail stretches. I recommend to make a band of mail that is at least 5cm wide. Then wrap it around your chest and give as much extra space that you can put a fist between. I mean I could also give you the answer make it +15cm. So it's 150cm total. When you put the mail sheet flat on the table you might measure this at a maximum stretch and that would be kind of ok. Yet the stretch when you wear it, is a bit different. 3. Yes it will (in tendency) make it lighter, stronger and cheaper to produce. Cons: The solid rings can have sharp edges. Solid rings are naturally flat. They has some area that is less rubbed at and corrodes faster. I think out of all those reasons production cost was and is the most important.
@marekcabaj4143
@marekcabaj4143 4 года назад
@@Ironskin Thanks, you helped me a lot i couldnt find these informations on net and one mor question how long does it take you to make a full shirt ? how many rings can you make in one day ?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 4 года назад
@@marekcabaj4143 You're welcome! :) WIthin 8 working hours I can make a patch of riveted rings that is about 10cm times 10cm. A full shirt would be about 2000 working hours. You might alos find this interesting: www.ironskin.com/faq-chainmail-weight-and-cost/
@marekcabaj4143
@marekcabaj4143 4 года назад
@@Ironskin will you make a tutorial on solid rings on youtube ?
@cement2729
@cement2729 4 года назад
@@Ironskin sorry for asking but really i need 258 rings for 6 mm rings ? i think i need more
@HASHHASSIN
@HASHHASSIN 11 месяцев назад
yea, but how they made wire in first place?
@Schmunzel57
@Schmunzel57 3 года назад
Was ist das Schmiermittel? Talg?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 3 года назад
Ich denke damals ja. In meinem Fall war's Kokosnuss-Fett. Das hatt ich einfach da. Ich glaub es ist nicht so wichtig welches Fett.
@Schmunzel57
@Schmunzel57 3 года назад
@@Ironskin Die schmiereigenschaften werden unterschiedlich sein. da gibt es bestimmt Tabellen. Bist Du bei Fachebook? Da gibt es eine Gruppe "Riveted Maille" ist vielleicht interessant. And here is a test with lance ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oNkLWBTowZg.html
@bastiancook4821
@bastiancook4821 Год назад
Is there still a plan for the scrap metal wire video?
@Ironskin
@Ironskin Год назад
I've already done some test. It wasn't that spectacular. Now I'm reaching out to get my hands on bloomery iron. It will take a while. The bench needs some reinforcements first. Good to hear that you are looking forward to it!
@bastiancook4821
@bastiancook4821 Год назад
@@Ironskin glad to hear it's still in the works! Just ran across your channel. Fantastic stuff
@ultraveridical
@ultraveridical 3 года назад
How did they make tungsten carbide drawplates in the medieval times? 😆 😆 😆
@Ironskin
@Ironskin 2 года назад
In medieval times you just asked your local wizzard to make one. ;)
@abcstardust
@abcstardust Год назад
Lmbo
@ChattyCinnamon
@ChattyCinnamon Год назад
But HOW was the wire made??
@organismo_umano4402
@organismo_umano4402 Год назад
Well, quit telling this fairytale and tell us where you hid your time travelling machine!
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