Meet The Controversial Pronatalist Couple 

A perfect marriage or relationship is an illusion; there's no universal playbook for making them work. What's effective for one couple may not apply to another. Nevertheless, I've come to understand that there's always a solution to be found. Half a decade ago, my wife and I faced such trials in our marriage that divorce seemed inevitable. Yet, through perseverance and determination, we navigated through the rough waters and emerged stronger, reunited, and more resilient

40:16 “masterbating pre-programmed emotional subsets” ? I think, even though some interesting points have been raised, they are full of ‘intellectual speak’ nonsense.

We can't divorce from our animal selves. The higher level thought processes are cold and pointless without our animal passions. Motivation brings life and purpose to the calculations of intellect. This touches on the whole concept of uploading ourselves to "the cloud". Once our intellect is separated from the animal, we are dead. So, no, we can't live eternally in a computer. Only a lifeless facsimile would exist there.

They are comparing things to climate change, they immediately lose all credibility. Also she smiles when she says bad things which is really bizarre, like a TED talk.

Our currencies are broken and corrupt, which will explain a lot of the issues recognised by both parties and will bring you closer together.

Alexander, please take a look at their stance on embryo selection and polygenic risk score. I assure you it is worth your time.

“Im not really concerned with population collapse.” Grow up bro…

We are meant to be CARETAKERS of Earth. And work with nature hand in hand. Not separate

I had to stop watching this video after they mentioned climate change. And that guy has adhd

Because some need poor people?

Undesirable women

Video topic aside those glasses on that girl look so horrible that they now occupy my mental reference point of atrocious glasses

Malcolm’s communication style strongly inhibits dialog. He defaults to lecturing… yawn.

“Happiness” has only recently become so important due to feminism and the matriarchy. Previously ”fulfillment” was more important. My kids only occasionally make me happy, but they always leave me fulfilled. I’m sure there is an evolutionary psychology explanation for this.

Listening to both andlistening to arguments alexander is definatly misunderstanding some of their statements. On a basic understanding of the words culture and such. Their meaning different things for instance with this particular word. Culture is not always an overarching. Environment. It's what you practice every day which is guided and influenced by the culture you live within. Strangely this is kind of like listening to a group first year college students discussing psychology with Jordan Peterson. It's not that one side is more intelligent than the other it'. Only that the discussion is so deep and and complicated that The Listener is incapable of grasping the full context of the discussion. In this I'm not saying I agree with everything they're saying just that Alexander does not understand their full context

Malcom reminds me of a kid who can’t wait to talk again :D

These two clearly want to distance themselves from the "right wing" stereotypes to which pronatalism is often associated, going way out of their way to do so. But these aging demographic shifts and population collapse are pretty universal, and the race, abortion, and environmental conversations really don't need to be there. These strong trends to hate the "right wing" stereotype are themselves part of the problem. Leaning into them to distance your own pet cause from the hate will not end well.

Alexander how have you not heard of childrens rights being put before the parents!? Literally California just passed a law giving schools the right to not tell parents if the child decides to go by a different gender. Yes they freaking are!!!!

Just being honest but this couple sound wakadoodle. That’s the nicest way to put it.

They must do a lot of tv shows. They are trying to fit 10 min of info into 15 sec of time. He sounds like my sound is on 10x speed.

Happiness is fleeting. If that is the primary value to pursue, everything becomes temporary. That will feed on itself to create an unstable environment that will inevitably lead to less happiness.

Population decline, given our current debt-based monetary system, is very deflationary. Our current system depends on a constantly expanding money supply because that expansion is necessary to pay interest on debt. As debt is defaulted on, the amount of money that debt represents for the creditor disappears. This negative feedback loop leads to rapid economic collapse. This, among many, is another reason for bitcoin's accelerating adoption. A scarce money with a limited supply separate from government control ends the instability of our current system and enables proper economic incentives. It provides the least destructive transition through both the hyperinflation and eventual deflationary collapse of our current debt-based monetary system.

Imagine being so clueless and out of touch that you haven't yet figured out why fertility rates have dropped in recent years.

I’m actually kinda digging her “sexy Harry Potter” cosplay look.👓😎

The current generations of child bearing and rearing age are essentially Shakers without the nice furniture.

48:26 @Alexander Grace i think in Canada, the childs rights is above the parents right. Correct me if im wrong.

I've considered myself antinatalist (on an individual level, not societal level) for a long time and I love these two. I've just found their weird alien ideas so refreshing.

Their kids aren’t there during the day… gives them plenty of time to work on all this whatever they’re talking about 😅 I’m having a hard time following

These two are beyond unusual. Love it.

Despite giving this couple 2h, I don't think this subject matter was presented very well. I didn't understand the "Pronatalist" concept, and didn't understand how many kids this couple has and what their family goals are/were. I am an Anti-Malthusian, but I didn't think they put forth very good Anti-Malthusian arguments. I think they need a second swipe at your channel, with a chance for a more organized presentation and discussion. This could be a new, interesting, trend.

Not to be that guy but they could be brother and sister 😬

Alex , Japan is the furthest down the below replacement path. Remember demographics are destiny. So the rural areas are emptying of younger generations. Leaving decaying services as the old age out. The big cities draw for economy return but are horrible for family forming. Due to the lack of family consumption the growth has stalled for decades and dependency ratio are rising quickly. The same things are happening at a far quicker pace in South Korea and probably China once real data is discovered.

There's something to be said for a combination of decentralization and individualism, with a degree of oversight or centralization. But this idea that one group can't dominate in some general fashion is completely incompatible with any centralization. Without an overarching set of agreed upon rules, there can be no oversight. The right set of overarching rules can lead to a high trust society. Empirical data actually contradicts the idea that a more free and individualistic society is more prone to a low-trust "conspiracy theory" society. Actually, it's in totalitarian societies where the wildest conjecture runs rampant, since their secrecy prevents open discourse that exposes the weaknesses in the conspiracy theories. Covid lockdowns and "misinformation" policy restrictions were actually a good example of that. It only led to MORE wild speculation, not less Unfortunately, open societies seem to be worse than they are, because all of the blemishes are exposed, instead of hiding in the darkness.

They're very much in line with my way of looking at society as a neural network. Monocultures are inherently unhealthy. Check. Individuals good. Check. Forcing individualism bad. Check. I totally get this worldview. Some points of disagreement: I'm not in favor of crafting my own religion, per se. Nevertheless, within my religious practice, I consider myself individually responsible to interpret my religious tradition and my moral obligations using my own judgement, and I am in favor of taking responsibility for understanding the world and checking my ability to rationalize my religion with my understanding of the world. I am in favor of taking kids out of truly abusive homes and stamping out practices that are horrific. That said, I get their point about how dangerous that can be. As they point out, others with strange ideas can look at their home and my home and decide that what we're doing is horrific to them, and thus, taking people's kids away is a way in which cultures compete. In that sense, it can also be abusive and horrific. It takes on a kind of imperialist flavor. It's hard to avoid though, because as a neural network, the memetic nature of ideas, and the memetic nature of neural networks, means that we will, of necessity, empathize with others' children who are being treated in ways that we would not tolerate for ourselves. I would argue that while, individually, it can be OK to be culturally pacifistic, no diverse culture can be comprised solely of individuals who take such a hands off approach, and hence, cultures will, necessarily, clash on their mismatched ideals, and any culture that somehow doesn't will not compete well. It is not merely via biological reproduction that cultures propagate. Though certainly, there is a kind of ick around cultures that can't propagate via biological reproduction, as any culture that requires stealing other people's children in order to propagate, is, by definition, parasitic. Ideas need people, but not all ideas promote the generation of people. Great books that seem in line with what they're saying: Scale Sync Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned: The Myth of the Objective I'm very glad there are other people out there making these connections.

Collectivism vs. Individualism.... there is no answer. Collectivist ideologies like communism are truly toxic, I will definitely agree, but purely individualistic ideologies are equally inhumane in their own ways. There is a balance. In the long run, overly collectivist ideologies will fail of their own accord. They don't need pressure exerted on them by the pro-natalists to make that happen.

*Reads Pronatalist in the title... Me: ok, let's start from the top, who is Nataly and why should I support her ^^

Government spending and pensions aren't funded by taxes. The constraint for aged pensions isn't the money, but the goods and services in the economy to satisfy the demand that the money paid to pensioners generates. If AI/robotics leads to an explosion in goods/services after 2035, not only will there be an abundance to support demand from retirees, even young people will be retirees. Money isn't scarce. It's a legal abstraction to balance demand and supply. If AI/robotics stalls out and we have to proceed into the future with our current technology, the increased demand from retirees will be inflationary. I am pronatalist, but not because I assume that the government needs our taxes (it doesn't) or that pensions need taxes (they don't) but because the crazies aren't breeding so the abundant future will be great once they're gone.

every individual on the planet could fit with 1 acre of land each inside the state of Texas. The world is not where near over populated. The issue is over populated urban areas. Climate change is a misnomer, as climate by nature changes.. the key is, “is it human made climate change?” this is what needs to be proven and the size of the planet is much more immense than most realize. To be able to change the climate would take an immeasurable amount of energy directed at doing so and even then, still, the ecosystem would counter balance that effort.

I love Malcom and Simone...glad you had them as guests. You're great too btw! :P

I’m glad you made this video. You possibly need a second channel where you put these types of longer videos. You could have a good 10 minute clip for these longer ones advertising your second channel with the longer videos

Most parents who spank their children do it out of emotion; usually anger. That is the problem with it. If spanking , it needs to be a planned consequence for a previously defined behavior. I never spanked or needed to spank any of my kids, but with a small number of children, it may be necessary.

🖖 Live Long Prosper - the only thing I could say that's appropriate

Cute couple. I hope for the best for the two. They sound so excited expressing their ideas hahaa

Smoke salesman who found their niche to cache on, nothing more to it. People fall for things like this because they feel like they are offering them purpose. Perfect thumbnail picture Alexandr, showing those veneers and summing up the video.

the glasses are so stylish. so good-looking,sexy nerd. lucky gal.

Cute couple. I love how they are so excited to talk about their ideas.

I tried but that dude couldn't stay on topic and talked too fast...

I find both of them annoying as hell, so: skip.

It's not that they are running under a different value system they are running under a different cultural ideal. This again is the main problem when the three of you are discussing culture. You are operating with different definitions

I have no issue with the occasional spanking but slapping kids in the face is abuse

Fantastic discussion! Very intriguing. I'd love to see more of ideas-colliding conversations on your channel.

Cringe

Very interesting 👌 👍 🤔

I'm happy for you Alex. You made some love long friends. I'm jealous of where they live - WA is desert and ocean together. I lived in Appalachian before as an Expat.

I don't think you value happiness as much as you conveyed in that part of the conversation Alex. If you did then you would logically be forced to conclude that a grown, unemployed man staying at his parent's house and playing video games all day because this what makes him happy is equally as valuable as a grown man in a stable productive job that is married and has a family because that is what makes him happy. Malcolm was trying to say that so much of modern day society can give happiness in a meaningless, vapid, unproductive way that it cannot be used a reliable metric for success.

Culture is not "inherently identitarian". At least, not in a way defined by characteristics like skin color, ethnic origin, or sexuality. And, in my opinion, culture is absolutely necessary for people to come to agreements that allow them to function as a group of people who can cooperate.

God says to be fruitful and multiply. Enough said. There shouldn't be anything controversial about promoting human reproduction and extending our heritage beyond our time.

The biggest reason is in well to do nations the most politically powerful are older generations, the ones receiving the most benefits of the current pyramid scheme system.

I love to see a few of my favorite thought leaders get together to hash it out. I really appreciate where differences of opinion were highlighted and dug into more deeply. Since I really respect both perspectives, it made me consider where I stand on some of these topics.

Anyone know their channel?

1:28:34 vr and drgs is exactly what was proposed by weef members as the solution to the masses of humans made redundant by ai and robotics.

I guess I'm spelling it wrong, what is your other channel, Patreon

Giving your kids a quality of life is a marker of success, and the ability to carry on doing that throughout their lives.

So what do they believe in. If you create a religion then must believe in a higher form of some sort? I liked a lot of what they said but some was just outright wrong. I wonder if they believe in objective truth

If America as a government invested all of it's money into A.I then it would essentially control everything. For example how could pharmaceutical companies compete when they couldn't possibly match the buying power of the US government. So what I'm getting at is that the U.S government can put A.I to work on developing new drugs etc and then essentially cut those companies out all together and it would be able to do that with all businesses.

Wait, I've seen these two... I remember a good talk was had about something 😅

... Humans are the animal Homo sapiens sapiens...

People who talk about “processed food” don’t even understand what they mean. Chopping food into bite sized pieces and cooking it is a form of processing, but that doesn’t mean that prepared food is somehow bad.

We need at least 4 kids per family and to ban female education as it reduces fertility.

this might actually be my most favourite youtube video, thank you for this

3rd world ain't slown' down

Yeah my kids NEVER would have kicked over a table. However its never me that does the spanking. Ot at least decides. We have a rule. Punching kicking spitting pushing and pinching are all forms of violence. And the punishment is in like "violence".. two slaps on the butt. It is not my decision. Its the rule. By the age of three spankings were not needed. My children knew i never wanted to spamk them. They knew it was due to the rule and their actions. And now as near adults they appreciate why i had the rule and understand its lessons. Also. Thw one wronged could grant amnisty. They could forgive thw offence canceling the need for a spanking. But forgivness is required. It taught mercy consequence forgivness and juatice to my children. Spanking can never be a simple decision. It can never be arbitrary. It must be understood as a consequence of ones own actions.

As soon as I heard climate change had to click off. I was with them until that moment

They said physical punishments for kids are OK.

You lost my attention when she hit the climate change BS

These two are seriously annoying...can't listen no matter what they say

Found this guy recently and love how he elucidates and how brutal he is. The lady poker face disagreeing with his extremism is hilarious. Big brain and big balls for real. Love and blessings!

1:59:52??? an hour and a half toooooooooooo long.

Do they account for political Islam?

Alexander is FANTASTICALLY naive and projecting his own life experience as a rule, on everything else. It was painful to see how clueless he is about the lower values given to people day by day now. He lives in a Utopia wishful thinking bubble and completely ignore all the cues and outside reality inputs. I usually have great respect for Alexander's advices and opinions, I suppose he is competent about women, but when talking about societies, governance, globalism, AI, gosh he truly sucks. Can't even see how happiness is destroying society, instead of contribution, responsibility, and pushing the mantle of humanity. That was tough for my inflated positive opinions of Alex. Ouf. He can't look outside of his blessed bubble, projecting his own life on humanity.

They created their own religion? Cool. I "identify" with my own religion, Divinitalist - Divine Fatalist, that the universe has a wicked humour (and Karma and paradoxes and destiny) and inevitably it's all randomised but predetermined. However that is my own personal belief, and I wouldn't push it onto my daughter, as she'll decide upon what's right for her (if she eventually decides upon a belief system). No one I know is a "Divinitalist", it's just what makes the world make sense to me. So, yeah, everyone has their own beliefs and everyone is a "culture". Some people loudly proclaim and push their beliefs on others thereby collectivising a "culture" with converts (or similar minded people) while the rest are diverse cultures with diverse individually-specific beliefs.

I am all for discipline but the face should be off limits. I personally never directly used my hand to spank. I wanted my children to know that my hands were gentle with them. But I would spank with a wispy branch. I would take my child outside and have him choose an alder or willow tree. Then I would strip a very wispy branch of its leaves and give him 3 swats. Usually that was all it took. My daughter didn't directly disobey so she never was spanked.

Wow, Alex. Great interview. I saw a different side of your personality. I had no idea you were so 'disagreeable' (Big 5 Personality trait). You really didn't try to be polite in your disagreement at all. That's something I haven't seen from any other interviewer. I think other podcast interviewers would've been a more concerned about how such sharp-edged disagreement might deter future guests from coming onto your show. It came across as you having the attitude: "My channel doesn't need interviews. These people hassled me to interview them. So I don't care if I upset them and other people don't want to be interviewed by me." I think almost all your criticisms of them are excellent, though! My only disagreement with you is the claim that we can all be individuals and not part of a culture. It reminds me of The Life of Brian: "We're all individuals". We can't help but be programmed by a culture and to make some individual changes around the edges. For all your talk of individualism, 95% of your behaviour and attitudes fits neatly into a western sub-culture. You are nothing like a Muslim, Indian, Eskimo, tribal African cultures. Why? Did you rationally examine all the other options and pick the bits that individually suited you, and it accidentally happens to align with a type of western sub-culture?

They look weird. I'm not listening

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Ahh a pro-natalist... my arch enemy... Im an anti-natalist.. we gotta slow down human procreation. Too many people are having children when they're not ready or cause they just want to without any forethought