MEGAMIND and Nice Guy™ Syndrome 

Speaking as part of the asexual and aromantic family, you are both pretty.

Could you do unrealistic crime movies such as the Hannibal Lector character or shows like criminal minds?

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Now here's a roast for you, Alan looks like a tomato that fell on the ground before it could ripen and grew fungui on top, while John overall is shaped like a potato Of course all of this is greatly over-exaggerated, your hair actually looks good on both of you, and your overall likeableness *immensely* overwrites your mediocre looks (ha! Got you!)

Thanks so much for doing this movie! It's a family favorite ❤️

This comment doesn't get enough attention! It is so good, because it is so true!!!

I just want to say that you are very wise for quoting this out, and I commend you for your wisdom, this happens a lot in real life, hal was basically like Loki, deceiving everyone, and Megamind shows how people can choose to be better and open up so that they no longer feel pain and hurt alone

And then you have Metroman who felt empty and unsatisfied with all his fame from being a hero so he acted all confident and bombastic

I think his "evil" persona comes from a combination of being adopted by literal criminals as well as society as a whole not really giving him any other real options. Seriously, who would hire him when everyone's already a little scared of him? "Evil" was just him filling the only available niche and he doesn't leave it until the end, when society "allowed" him to. As for Hal, I don't think it's a "facade". I think he truly believes he's a "nice guy" and is simply doing what he believes "nice guys" are supposed to do. As soon as he gets powers, he uses them to try to get what he believes he's "owed" for being "nice".

​@@solidskullz5736I don't think that was an act. All his life, he was told how awesome he was, so he really believed it. He likely quit because: 1. He desired a challenge. Fighting Megamind wasn't a challenge. For his sanity, he needed something his powers wouldn't just make easy. That's why he chose music. Super speed and flight wouldn't make the guitar any easier. 2. He knew Megamind wasn't a real threat to the citizen. 3. Megamind wasn't interested in being evil. Megamind was only interested in having a purpose. Once Metroman left, he knew Megamind would eventually take his place as Metro City's guardian. After all, the only part of super villainy that Megamind truly liked was the rivalry aspect.

Should've stayed that way.

STOP I LOVE THIS COMMENT THE MONKEY PAW THING IS SO REAL

I really hope that pee-cock throws that movie away and actually restarts with a decent one

They're making another megamind it's gonna release hopefully this year

@@allmight5133 yea and it looks like shit

That's what the point of the mask is.

@@D_YellowMadnessI like that song

It is worth asking, though: HOW did he become a bad person? I mean, he definitely wasn't just born evil, no one is, so how did this happen? How did Hal become an incel?

@@quantumvideoscz2052 I can definitely see where it came from, honestly. Social norms are this really weird dance that doesn't make much of any sense sometimes, and so some people (like myself sometimes, unfortunately) try to figure them out using logic. But people don't always follow the norms, and you can't expect them to- that's where Hal went wrong. He, and people like him, try and memorize the patterns of what makes people do certain things, and they get mad when that doesn't work- it should've followed the pattern; why didn't it? Mind you, I'm not saying that's a valid way of doing things. Don't look at people as parts of some machine; they're just not. They have their own emotions and wants, and that's what that viewpoint forgets.

​@willowphoenix5926 As an austistic person who survives and has only managed to create friendships and reltionships by doing exactly that because of a lack of pre-programmed interal instinct and emotional recognition; it is incredibly depressing to read that the only method of learning to socialize available to me is considered to be invalid. I understand that the negative reaction to it not lining up 100% is not helpful; but "You cannot use logic, you just have feel it." just plain damns me as a malfunctioning person.

​@@EgoEroTergumI mean, I totally agree with you. I'm autistic myself, and it sucks that there's not always logic to it. But regrettably, people don't make sense, so idk. It's just weird.

the superpowers didn't amplify his behaviour, it just enabled it

That's such a good point! I've seen it more often: people who don't feel they need to "bother" with basic niceties like personal gifts and thoughtfulness, because they "know" and "love" their crush, almost holistically as it were. I suspect it's the same people who feel like they don't have to ACT good because they "know" they ARE good.

I mean, how could he? He says later on in the movie that she never bothered to ever hang out with him outside of work. Is he supposed to stalk her to find that out?

@@bevvvy1374 Hal could've gotten to know her through work and figured out her likes and dislikes. Honestly even I could figure out what to get Roxanne by the first few minutes of the film (books and nerdy things), her personality really stands out. The fact that Hal couldn't figure it out after years of working with her and having conversations with her is on him.

@@isntsheabeaut7456 You can only get to know someone if they let you and judging by Roxanne's attitude towards him, she never did. Books and "nerdy things" are such nebulous things that it's basically the same thing as what he did.

@@bevvvy1374 Note: sorry my comment was getting long and I was getting tired, I'll finish writing my example later You're right that books and nerdy things are nebulous, I was trying to make the point that the audience probably knows/cares more about her personality than Hal, but it was a bad example. But judging by Hal's attitude and his actions throughout the film, he acts like someone who doesn't want to know who she is as a person, and is simply trying to win over an object. For example, Roxanne seems to be generally open about herself, even to strangers or people who she has no romantic interest in. Remember how Roxanne had a negative opinion of Bernard at the beginning of the film in the museum elevator (she thought he was boring, similar to the way she felt about Hal). But that changes after Megamind enters Bernard's body and says something meaningful/profound (in Roxanne's opinion at least). I know we saw Roxanne being uninterested in Hal even in the beginning of the movie, but that's because he's never talking about her interests (which he can just ask if he doesn't know) or even his own passions (which he doesn't have any and he should really get some). I wouldn't say "Want to come to my bouncy castle party" falls under either of these categories. He's always saying boring or borderline offensive things (to Roxanne's intelligence). I know we have to make assumptions about how Roxanne treated Hal before the film, but based on Roxanne's personality and Hal's personality, I'd rather assume that Roxanne probably did give Hal a chance to be friends in the beginning, but Hal was too focused on getting in Roxanne's pants to actually get to know her.

she knows that all the threats megamide thows at her are just toys really. she also knows hes a complete fuckin dork

Well mega mind isn't really a bad guy, whereas Hal was always low key a creep even when he wasn't full of powers.

And he does. He literally tries to kill her a couple times before Megamind takes his powers.

If you think about it, the relationship between Megamind, Metroman and Roxane is some kind of weird friendship

@@ShatteredQvartz Definitely. I think Metroman was selfish when Hal got powers and was threatening the entire city, killing people, and taking everyone hostage, and Metroman had the power to stop him but literally decided to just do nothing.

Yeah Hal just wanted her to magically be in love with him, he didn't want to put any actual work in, they maybe could have been a couple, Roxanne wasn't a shallow person who was just in love with the superman. Hal just sucked as a person

Why would she raise her voice at him when he can kill her in 2 seconds? That doesn't make sense

​@@patrickripleyiii134Roxanne was shallow. She liked that one guy with the glasses who was way better looking than Titan

@@iceburgess461 1. Women tend to like better looking guys 2. Megamind also improved as a person and showed himself to be good. You’ve missed the whole point of the movie and this video.

@@iceburgess461if she was shallow she’d go for metro man. Nobody owes you anything in life, and Hal was always a weirdo who was never properly socialized. It sounds like you need to do some reflecting and personal growth if you think Hal wasn’t in the wrong

if there's anything the sequel thought us its that sometimes less is more

*time warp trio opening*

button of doom is the real sequel and you cant convince me otherwise. least it feels mostly in character and doesnt add a dozen characters that werent established previously

​@@glasshorse6893I don't like barbeques

​@@The_Artist_OfficialNOSTALGIA OVERLOAD!!

Burrn

Owned XD

God damn i read this and immediately went "oof"

Oooo sick burn

Gonna need some ice for that burn

although... there's a new show in production rn 👀

@@birbwho Say it ain't so

I hate the accuracy

*glances at ice age* megamind only having one movie is probably for the better

True. But to be fair, this is Dreamworks. The ones responsible for Shrek 2, Kung Fu Panda 2, and How to Train Your Dragon 2. Not a guarantee, but the chances are good, I'd say.

Titan*

Titan*

@@jt3948 I know, it was to reference Hal's spelling and his confusion of the two words.

@@roguejester4986 ooooooooohhhhhh, that makes more sense

ooooooooohhhhhh, that makes more sense

Indeed, Roxanne and Megamind actually got to know each other properly, as equals, and not because he saved her.

Plus Metro man saved her all the time and she just didn’t like him that way

100%

Not only did they dodge it, they poked fun at it!

@@trinaq exactly. By the end of the film, Roxie has realized that Bernard is who Megamind really is, and she came to know and care for him on that level. Once he was able to escape the trappings of trying to be the villain, he was free to be himself

True. When people say "you're such a kind person, or you're so nice" to me, I'm always surprised. I mean I try to treat people the way I want to be treated, but I don't go babbling about being nice, it just kind of happens, I guess

That applies to most things, really. If you go around constantly saying you're a certain type of person, you probably aren't.

@@TimedRevolver and vice versa if your saying you aren’t things like I’m not racist or something. You don’t need to say it if you aren’t that thing you existing is proving that your not that thing or that you are that thing

@@fangchick93 same

@@TimedRevolver Corollary to that; if you WORRY that you're a certain type of person, you probably aren't, either.

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​@@Azrael2294??

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-ref curry

Titan*

It might not be the important part. What matters is she sees him as a good person, and he knows that. He is being accepted as the person he wants to be.

Wait, but Roxanne *did* kiss him right before the credits began rolling.

​@@AD-dg3zzyeah wtf

Um... They do kiss...?

That's just not true lmao

interesting that they brought up the good place as well, because michael an immortal being ends up taking guitar lessons after trying to master it for like 300 eternities

that and the striking resemblance with elvis

That's literally what Metroman is talking about. He says he's good at everything except music but society forces him to be a superhero so he cant have a choice yet

Which is essentially one of the reasons given for Clark Kent becoming a writer.

He also always had a passion for showmanship and spectacle.

oooooooo buuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn

Holy shit bro

Emotional damage

“Hello 911? I would like to report a murder!”

Oh fuck! Does anyone remember first aid from health class???

I think it was in Nuxanor's reaction to why Megamind is a masterpiece where someone commented that Hal, as a former camera man, made Megamind 2 as revenge after he was out on parole

It's not canon, but the sequel said it was two days. I don't care what people say, the sequel and series are not canon.

@@yourcollegedebt8384 Megamind and the Button of doom is the true Megamind franchise Ending for me

Definitely not long enough for the characters to recover from whatever head injury caused them to be miraculous characters

GOD SAVE THE QUE-

Oof

😭😭

It was always correct, there hasn't been a Queen of England since 1714; as the Kingdom of England ceased to exist (upon merging with the Kingdom of Scotland) and was replaced by the Kingdom of Great Britain.

@@chrismatthews2040🤓

I saw that scene with megamind and roxanne as she wasn't afraid because she's been kidnapped by him many times and she knew that metroman would beat him and that megamind was a predictable idiot who is most likely reusing some of his past traps. Hal however was someone/something "new". something that she knew megamind had been working on but not titan's purpose she didn't know if he was good or bad but since megamind was working on him he was probably bad. also his actions seemed unpredictable (one moment flowers the next highway dropping) she only found out when she was on the tower that he was hal.

@@stephwong6422 Yes, but she is also scared/frightened when he asks her out to his appartment as Hal at the beginning, she politely says no multiple times while being uncomfortable when in contrast the "kidnapping" scene is played out jokingly without stakes.

I mean it gets really bland if you get kidnapped by the same guy to the same place,with the same tricks for a LOT of times,on the other hand,Hal is a total stranger to her,so she doesn't know what hal might do or what Hal WOULD do if he gets pissed,plus he's being creepy af

@@stephwong6422 She knew he was... unstable. Mentally unstable, hothead, now supported with phisical power

That's because Hal was sexually harassing her (both as Hal and as Tighten) while Megamind was not. It's kind of a huge difference.

Zuke to eve, eh?

Absolutely love that game !!

Not only mentally but physically, he would have ripped her to pieces. I despise when hero movies show people falling being instantly stopped when caught. The G forces would be astronomical! If anything the hero would be making it worse by adding in a second velocity perpendicular to the first! Bye bye spine lol

@@gusmc2220 Didn't they acknowledge that in a Spiderman movie plotline or something? I forgot,

@FarsideEli1313 do they? Cool. And about time. There's so many Spider-Man movies anymore I haven't watched them all lol

@@gusmc2220 I think Gwen Stacy died? Again, lots of spiderman movies, just like you said.

​@@gusmc2220You would like the show The Boys

That’s it right there. Where the whole Mr. Nice Guy thing came from. It’s an act with no genuine follow through.

And that's a big reason of why Hal remains creepy even in such a silly movie. He isn't *just* a Nice Guy (TM), he's also genuinely abusive.

His true colors are hidden with the justification he of him being “nice” and that the whole world hasn’t seen how great he is yet. Also a type of male entitlement which is just appalling, but I do think that it is something most men go through and learn in life.

Self-justifying mechanisms all the way, no one wants to be the bad guy so they find someone else to blame, they take their frustrations about themselves and weaponize them against others

@@Gamfluent yep, she falls in love with the personality and sensitivity of a random guy. She's sweet and appreciates good qualities in a romantic partner

Totally agree--the relationship between Roxanne and Bernard doesn't come out of nowhere. He was always a little taken with her and she, at the very least, seems to have always trusted and been amused by him.

Yooo Awesome quote

His bro, Metroman was his bro.

The whole accidentally in love reminds me of Shrek.

They were just two pals trying to one-up each other. Only friends enter a battle with robot sheep.

In fairness he did keep up the lie for the purpose of hanging out with, and then dating her

And he made Bernard a better person than he actually was!

That and Roxanne is never actually in danger with Megamind nor feels to be in danger. With Titan... yeah, she feels very, VERY unsafe. :(

lmao roxanne always knows when megamind is just bullshitting

this is probably why she can forgive him at the end. after going through what she did with hal/titan she realizes that Megamind is actually not that bad deep down. Even when Hal was just a camera guy you can tell she felt, at the very least, uncomfortable around him. When he became titan she then really felt unsafe. When she compares that with megamind she realizes that she can trust him. I dunno thinking about this too much lol

@@dragonstooth4223 I actually disagree. I'm certain that she *always* knew he wasn't actually that bad of a guy, just kinda a criminal. She was never afraid of him, because she always knew that he didn't like hurting people, so he wouldn't hurt her. She didn't like him at that point because he chose to be a pariah and to wallow in misery. I think she was able to forgive his lie more because she knew that he had always been wearing somebody elses face. More because of a long time understanding of who he was than because of anything to do with Hal. It needed maybe another ten minutes or so to flesh out the process of her moving on from his lie and him earning her trust, but everything they needed for that moment was in it from the very first moment they met, long before the events of the movie, it was already part of their characters and their chemistry.

Hal was clearly trying to replicate the iconic romantic flight scene from Richard Donner’s Superman movie. But while Clark was always considerate of Lois and absolutely assured that she wouldn’t be in any danger, Hal pretty much abducts Roxanne with no consent or warning, and takes her on a joyride where she’s clearly fucking terrified.

It is too late it can’t be undone by anything other than major brain trauma so are you with my brother?

*Me

Oh GOD!

As creepy as that would be, that would be a little too on the nose too quickly. Early movie Hal is supposed to be a kinda cute dork with a crush who seems like he'd make a good super hero once he gets hit with the power thing. Which leads into the nice vs kind thing this video talks about so much.

Your name is pronounced "cooehttæg eEelf

I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes, like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff. So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH' and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.

@@strange4107 lmfaoo

Yeah, his reason for capturing her makes her more a close-up audience to the shenanigans he pulls with Minion against Metroman than an actual bargaining chip. He has no deliberate need to hurt her, though he does try to make her SCARED of the danger, not him.

Exactly. It even shows their mindsets in a way--Titan tosses her around like a rag doll with no concern for her safety or terror; there's a creepy sense of "I could coerce her to touch me if she's afraid she'll fall to her death...😏" while Megamind puts her in a flying vehicle immediately. Care for her safety, and as minimal terror as possible. Because he values her as a person, and values her feelings, while Titan only values her as far as he can bully her into submission.

@@DarkFallen001 And it's part of the game. Metroman won't bother with Megamind without a hostage and who better than the reporter who will put it on the news? The traps etc are to give the illusion of danger FOR METROMAN, for him to treat this more urgently. They are all out of range to hurt her. Even capturing her his concern is her safety (putting her into a safety car) because hurting her is not the plan. He has no desire to hurt her and they both know it. Hence why she snaps back at him because she feels safe enough to do it.

Megamind only captured her because he wanted to draw out metroman. He was putting on a facade which the public percieved as scary so that metroman would react. He just wanted another showdown with metroman, he wasn't actually looking to hurt anyone.

Basically Megamind is a good guy pretending to be a bad guy. Nothing he does in the movie is really directly harmful to anyone other then Metroman, and he didn't expect it to work in the first place. In contrast, Metroman is an ordinary guy pretending to be a good guy. He fills the role, but he doesn't really feel the call to do good. He just wants to be left alone to live his life, mostly. Then Titan is just a bad guy, and not a power-corrupts bad guy, he was bad from the beginning, but lacked the power to fully act on it. Roxanne basically understands that Megamind isn't actually a threat. He's not going to kill her, or basically anyone else. Until she thinks he killed Metroman, it wasn't even serious.

Right. Like he immediately contradicts himself

Hey! Good catch!

Omg! Great point

Definitely sounds about right for your Mk. I Mod. I incel...

@Beaverish Buck Teeth I was thinking more in terms of the very end of what I was responding to. The non-quote.

It's like youtubers. People always watch their videos and says that they know this youtubers. But, no? This is only a fraction of his live, one that he shows the public because he feels he can want to share it. At the end you know nothing until that person let you know it.

das what i said XD (no but fr i didn't even see your comment till after i said it too lol)

“I know everything about you! Expect maybe 99% but it’s still something” Why does the conversation feel so realistic

It's the arrogance of Hal being better at something than he is. I have watched you, worked for you, bought things for you and look at all my effort!

​@@luxteroff parasocial relationships are wack

In all fairness, this was probably a godsend in the eyes of Hal himself - Metroman is dead, he can finally have the girl that he always wanted. Only for Megamind to show up

especially since roxanne watched him "die"!

I genuinly think knowing those Terms and Tropes, like Karen, Nice-Guy and Neckbeard, helps Society overcome Stuff. So excuse me if i mention that Many, including but not limited to 'THe Take' and 'HUSH' and 'Pop Culture Detective' have covered them and more. Also Hbomberguy, though he didnt use the Terms per se.

He immediately tries to use his absence to lure Roxanne into his home.

This is actually a really good point. Their favourite flowers should be the first thing you learn , like birthday and beloved childhood pet's name. We I see people acting like this I called it a "Henry viii" move. They like the idea of having the person and enjoy the chase but are bored or unsatisfied when the get it

​@@thatgrumpychick4928 A "Henry VIII Move" is a really good name for it. The guy had 2x as many failed marriages as Ross from Friends!

@@thatgrumpychick4928 There is also a kind of opposite/flipped extreme of that to consider & be cautious of too though. As a silly old joke I've heard before goes: "Nobody loves you more than your stalker". 😅

@@thatgrumpychick4928 Oh wow. I never thought about Henry VIII as being obsessed with NRE but that's totally a thing

@@thatgrumpychick4928 What if she never had a favourite?? What if, she didn’t particularly like flowers though?? Like just didn’t like them in general even if, she didn’t hate them.?

It’s a great example of the captain America type superpower. It doesn’t make you a superhero, it just amplifies what’s already there

@@Emnms68 yoooo this is such a brilliant analogy

@@FastforwardxD **dramatic bow** why thank you.

@@Emnms68 this ain't reddit, but here *gives an award*

@@FastforwardxD r/wholesomechunguskeanumoment

So well said!

Yea you just articulated my exact thoughts

He basically thinks it's his lack of powers that are what's keeping himself from her. He gets them, and then starts to believe he is owed her because he has them, and also that he is a "nice" guy.

Well said amazing 🙌🙌

Hal seems like a narcissist.

It also expresses the idea that you don't smile when facing a demented psychopath who gets his hands on power for the first time in his life

I didnt like Roxanne. It came across as "I'm too good to be in this movie"

​@@somethingclever8916 True, but I think that was the joke. Like, they were making fun of how the hero and the villain are just pointlessly going through the motions, and the damsel character was aware of that and just like 5000% done with constantly being kidnapped. Because she begins to take the movie pretty seriously when Tighten shows up.

Literally what I was thinking, cuz soemtimes writers go too far with the strong woman role that they forget you can be strong and still be scared and have human emotions, but those characters are far less likeable

@@cow167 Oh, they absolutely do. There's a difference between a "strong female character" and a female character that is strong. There's overlap, yeah, but the difference is like the difference between a virgin and an incel. A big problem, ironically enough, is the "strong female character" embodies a lot of toxic masculinity traits to be "strong". They're these unemotional, bellicose bullies that throw their weight around and act like assholes. Think like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast: most "strong female characters" are written like him, but unironically. And, the same way Belle was at best disinterested and at worst repulsed by him, a lot of viewers are put off by the "strong female character" because they see past their superficial positive traits.

I never even put that together

OMG YEAH

I've always noticed this, and its not that long after the scene where Roxanne tells Megamind (Bernard) about the park...dude cleans the place up asap because he paid attention to what made her sad/happy without expecting anything in return because she'll never know he did it for her.

@@gRinchY-op5vr exactly!

He knows everything about Dream Roxanne that he creepily watches and has created in his head.

Yeah that really aged like milk

The unpredictable is the most frightening. the one that don't show you his boundaries.

What also adds to it is that Roxxane also had no idea what Tighten was capable of. With Megamind, she was able to literally predict everything about him, and was aware it was just going to play out exactly the same as always. Megamind scoops her up, keeps her situated in his lair, and all she really has to do is sit and wait until Metroman arrives on the scene to rescue her. In comparison, she has no idea what Hal's actual motives are, nor what he plans to do with her, which makes him so much more terrifying to her, because she has no time to relax or prepare for a worst case scenario, she essentially just has to pray that she makes it out of the situation alive, something she's never had to do with Megamind

Megamind could be a threat, he's too smart to not be. But he's not dangerous. He's a threat without being threatening. Hal is a danger because he has no decorum and respect and consideration. Where as Megamind does it for show and purpose, Hal does it for sheer human greed.

Don't give em ideas!

Well, not to mention she had just figured out what Megamind's hanging cards spelled: Titan. She knew he was somehow related to Megamind and therefore could not be trusted.

The scariest part is that there are guys like him everywhere in real life

Also the audience can look back at that scene and know he was lying because he lives in a tiny little apartment so where was he going to fit a bouncy castle and have a “party”? My personal interpretation is that he was trying to lure her into a trap where she was alone with him and would feel pressured to do as he said, which is very dark I know, but that’s how I see it

Very nice.

@@baldr6894 not to mention it just came across as subtly as a white van with "🍬cAnDy🍬" spray painted on the side.

@@baldr6894 This has nothing to do with this thread but I named my dog Baldr, with that same spelling. He's a giant, 135lb. floof.

Considering he is named after Hal 2000, I am not surprised.

when saying "stupid van broke my finger" he externalized his actions onto an inanimate object to shift responsibility away from his failure to woo the girl it shows a marked lack of connection to self and sociopathic tendencies its similar to the moment before when he's ignoring her polite rejections and supplanting "so thats a soft yes for thursday" to avoid reality. hal was always crazy.

The scary part for me was to recognize Hal's behavior in myself, the nice guy syndrome is scary

ngl punching things out of anger seems to be a guy syndrome thing I’ve heard of a lot of holes in drywall, just sayin

@@ninjireal people who do this have let themselves become hardwired for aggression. It isn't healthy and leads to abusive relationships.

This deserves to be pinned!

@@korratheaustralianshepherd5804 "pinned"?

@@tobiaslawrence8928 Getting pinned is when the uploader 'pins' the comment, meaning that it's the first comment everyone will see when you enter the comment section of that video ^^

yes, that is the character description

SUPER INCEL

Somebody used a monkey's paw on that one.

He realizes that being the villan prevents him from getting anything he wants, yet he has to be the villan because of Metroman and the city. He could be the good guy but didn't get the chance until he was the only one left.... The last one picked.

This is very true. It shows how ultimately when the chips were down that he did the right thing because it was right, he knew he had nothing to gain from it, he knew he was still be viewed as a villain, and that people would still see him as such. Yet he saved the city anyway, because it was the right thing to do and it came from a selfless place of love, good.

@@lemonzest6988 I see it differently. It's not necessarily because he was "the last to be picked" but rather he never had a chance to shine, especially always being in Metroman's shadow his whole life. We especially see this as true with the fact that Metroman decides to leave being a hero because he KNEW that Megamind would step up and become a hero if he was just given a chance (no hero overshadowing him). Metroman saw the good in him, he knew that it was all a silly song and dance based only off of public perception, Megamind was a genuinely good person, just dealt a bad hand, over and over again.

@@AzureRadio Actually I agree with you. I think that's how Metroman saw it. But from the other angle, no one else ever wanted Megamind to be the hero. They picked Metroman. It's true that he was always good and that for Megamind it was just an amusing game. He called them his 'glorious failures'. He's actually HAPPY with losing again and again. He just enjoys the challenge of creating new and interesting threats and escaping the cops and making move and countermove. His villany was a game of chess that he was trying to lose. Remember when Metroman told him copper weakened his powers and Megamind floundered because he wasn't sure exactly how to respond to the concept that he was actually at an advantage? Like oh no, I'm going to actually win for once. But I hope that being a hero gives him the same sense of enjoyment.

it's the self fulfilling prophecy. you become what you think you are

It literally cannot be beaten. I mean, I'm open to there somehow, possibly being a better movie out there, but I don't think there is one.

No more really but Id be up for more Button of Doom type humor! Just seeing him run around and do his best, being a hero and mostly fighting his own inventions and mistakes ^_^ Still lots to learn in a new arc!

@@bns481 maybe a TV show would be a good way to go about it, short an sweet adventures just for fun on his healing journey (because honestly he's got a lot to work through.)

I'm honestly glad there wasn't a Megamind 2. the bar is just too high and specially big companies tend to make worse sequels because they'll sell for being part of a franchise instead of the plot, the characters or the kind of details all of which Megamind lives for. on this landscape, I dread a Megamind 2 as the new Shrek the Third

Megamind has completed his growth but maybe there's some story to be had with another character doing the same? Like he could mentor someone again.

facts

hope you're able to get the help ya need, always a great thing to see people work to change themselves for the better.

Plus to go along with how you mentioned Megaminds theatrics and them never really hurting anyone, Hal even without superpowers is representing someone who can and has hurt people in real life which adds to his character really being a monster at least for me.

Megamind is the equivalent of the just4laughs channel.

One thing I've never understood is why the cops act so afraid of him. He's clearly not a threat and even "killing" Metro man was an accident. Even his kidnapping of Roxanne is regular and treated like a playful game, not only between the two of them, but Metro man as well.

Megamind is playing the roll he thinks is expected of him.

The contrast really shows in Roxanne's reaction. She was completely relaxed and making conversations while Megamind had her strapped to a chair and waving every death trap imaginable in her face since she knows it's just for show. With Hal she was already unnerved at the really weird party invitation and once he did get powers you could immediately see all the gears in her head switch to "oh shit this guy might just kill me" even before he got mad and started explicitly threatening her.

Wait what the fuck?!

It’s getting a series?? Shoot, it’s probably gonna be exclusive to the dreamworks streaming service right

Excuse me tv show??? :O

My guy just share some sacred information and just dipped without further explanation.

Really??

Yes, or getting a new cool car or getting ripped.

Ugh there's a whole genre of fake vids based on exactly this premise. The "thot" isnt interested... until she sees his car.... DUN DUN DUN

Like women are vending machines lmao if you put in enough $$, then s3x and (romantic) love tokens will come out

@@isapheonix Well, I mean... People like that exist. You don't really want them in your life, because they're not there for you, they're there for what you provide, but they exist. One mistake a lot of "Nice Guys" make is believing that ALL women are like that.

@@RozWBrazel Snap out of it man. That is the same for a lot of people but you can’t buy everyone out, that’s just how it is.

Of course she would be, she knew he was into her and as far as I remember she never directly told him the hell off directly. Of course I'm not blaming her for this, that's her partner and she decided for one reason or another to not do so. But even a moron can tell which people that get power would become absolute monsters

@@salpertia Because even before he got superpowers he was bigger and stronger than her (like, she's a little taller, but Roxanne is skinny af). And she's probably seen how he reacts to anger, what with working together for years. Notice how uncomfortable she gets when he's trying to convince her on a date in the beginning, and she's trying to let him down gently but he just refuses to understand the word no.

@@salpertia She shouldn't have had to directly tell him this. Her body language, facial expressions, and clear lack of interest in him should have tipped him off that his attraction was one-sided, but Hal either refused to see this or he can't read nonverbal cues. Neither of those are Roxanne's fault.

@@StellaMarisma We can call Hal a monster without resorting to tarring people who have legitimate difficulty reading nonverbal cues. People with difficulty reading nonverbal cues know they have difficulty reading nonverbal cues and don't flip the fuck out when someone finally directly tells them they've been reading the situation wrong. They listen and are generally grateful for the clarification. They might be hurt or embarrassed, but not being able to read cues well isn't the same thing as entitlement. And what Hal was was pretty classic entitlement. It's spelled out pretty clearly with "space dad" telling him that if he rescues her she'll be his. That sets up the entitlement. That clarifies the terms he's thinking of the situation in. Honestly, if I'm going to blame Megamind for one thing, it would be giving Hal that bit of advice, because that is really, really wrong. It's mostly down to him believing all the hero villain tropes too much, but it's probably the most destructive manifestation of him buying into that social construct.

@@MsLilly200 "And she's probably seen how he reacts to anger..." Also in the beginning. 7:06.

Its a kids movie why scared?

@@YBNKASHWAYS Just flashbacks. Nothing was going to happen to her plot wise because of the age rating, no crap. But he did certainly abuse that new access and endanger her just like I anticipated he would.

​@@YBNKASHWAYS Maybe you didn't watch this video, you know, where two guys say "It's not a kids movie." Orrr maybe you're just a troll. But yeah I actually felt fear for this fictional character while just watching scenes in this video. I'm pretty sure I watched the movie but I remembered literally nothing from it but the characters, so this was like my first real experience of it... and then they skipped the big action and went straight to the ending with no warning!

@@YBNKASHWAYS Now, imagine if it wasn't...

I like Levi too

Yes bitches

Gaw dam

Ye

Girl you're just hating on Hal because his face isn't manly. Imagine the same scene except it was the superhero guy with the good jaw from the beginning doing it. It would be a romantic comedy if superhero guy did that.

@@voltinator No bitches?

The button of doom was pretty good tho

"Tighten" lmao XD

Yea, I just feel sorry for those that meet them and hope that those who are in the early stages or even the final stage, wake up to the fact that what they are doing is bad and nice doesn't equal good or entitlement.

@@eugenienghi6167 Lmao, that was what they wrote in Google and I didn’t question it 😂

The reason some "nice guys" think nice deserves a reward is because they're such selfish people that they have to put in actual effort to act nice. The last 5-6 years have showed that they make up a much larger percentage of the population than I could ever have guessed...

@@elvi1796 "Tighten" _is_ part of the movie as a joke!

So true bestie

Megamind didn't respect her boundaries. He pretended to be Bernard specifically to get *around* her boundaries. It's interesting that people see why Hal is a problem, but not why Megamind is, who is a career criminal who has destroyed Metrocity multiple times and who is deceiving Roxanne.

@@TheSequentCalculus it's obvious why, women only like bad boys, they forgive them for their faults but not a nice guy like Hal. smh.

@@TheSequentCalculus the problem now relies on... how do you show that you're good, different without deceiving, if people don't give you a chance in the 1st place. However it was still an accident not intentional of sorts.

@@TheSequentCalculus thing is Megamind first got roped into it. He was trying to hide, then Roxanne talked to him about his secret lair and he knew he had to get her to leave by convincing her as Bernard. That failed and he grew attached. He knew he couldn’t keep lying, so he revealed himself. When she didn’t want him, he let her leave because he knew he fucked up.

as a fellow ace, i also see alan as dad-shaped

A third asexual, this time with mild face-blindness. Alan definitely looks like A Guy. (can't say dad-shaped even if he really is a dad, because that's more of a stout look in my mind)

if you gain a superpower that makes it possible for you to do anything, literally ANYTHING, and get away with it, ¿what would you do? You (talking in general) would be surprised at yourself.

"If you want to test a man's character, give him power" -Abraham Lincoln

But absolute power also corrupts absolutely.

@@charlescole645 one time or several? If several - I'd write a list with no problems. 1) Fix my health. Having chronical problems sucks. 2) create more time available for myself so i could both study enough, sleep well and do the sports and hobbies I enjoy. I wish I didn't have to choice between preparing for an exam, going to a graded PE class, sleeping, doing scientific research and maintaining a romantic relationship. 3) fix a major conflict everyone around seems to dislike. 4) make a commitment to a scientific field I find desirable. ETC.

@@charlescole645 I'd immediately start wanking. I need post-nut clarity before I do ANYTHING with that kind've power.

someone should crosspost just the clip of him asking to be roasted to r/roastme

I couldn’t resist a good roast lol

you know...I wanna, just for comedic value but...I got nothing

1/10. Poor quality roast. (Alan here)

Alan here: Please do this. Please please please.

Ok, NOW we're in the worst timeline.

The shocking trend is to hate nice guys and not help them and isolate them but every single nice girl female Incel? Feminist is innocent. Weirdo bizzaro world we live in. Alright have fun getting clapped. Lmao. That simply creates more Elliot Rodgers. The ultimate Man everyone should become more of is Jesus Christ. Not some cartoon characters. Where only those who go unto it battle with ideology but lose.

Like megamind say: losing but you can learn from them

Very good points.

@@koko_sponge Yeah! He learns from his mistakes-not just tactically but emotionally.

Roxanne didn’t deserve it but she didn’t do anything to prevent it. Hal was a very emotionally unstable individual as he was punching his van out of rage, Roxanne was absolutely aware of this, so what’s the best course of action dealing with such people…ah that’s right…ignoring and rejecting them without skipping a beat. Roxanne was stupid to treat hal like that and hal was equally stupid for behaving that way for a crumb of poosy.

"Oh NOW you respect me, because I'm a THREAT." -Syndrome

Yes. Give a nice guy power, give him all the shit he wants. He won’t be a “nice guy” anymore…every time.

​@@ALotOfCancer That is completely false and unjustifiable of you to say. A lot of people fake being nice to gain something, sure, but there are genuinely good people out there.

@@CaptainHusky2014 That's literally the entire point even in this video: The nice guy versus the good guy. The nice guys are normally not nice and are fake af to get what they want, and will turn on a dime when they don't get it. The good guys are genuinely "good" and are the actual nice ones. Hal was a "nice" guy who showed his true colors when Roxanne outright rejected him. He acted like Roxanne was obligated to him and continually kept suggesting creepy af shit they could do (such as a "party" at his place where it'd be the two of them and a wedding photographer) like she was destined to be his. When she finally rejected him outright after his crazy af flying stunts, what did he do? Decided to become an actual bad guy fully by destroying the city, terrorizing the people, and becoming a genuine unhinged psychopath...especially after Megamind revealed that HE was the one that stole Roxanne's heart because Megamind was under the assumption that he'd adhere to the Hero/Villain showmanship banter and fighting as opposed to going full blazed psychopath. Megamind, despite starting off "bad" was genuinely an actual "good" guy who took an introspective approach when Roxanne rejected him, and what did he do? He turned himself in to the police and didn't throw a tantrum because he knew he went about things all wrong. And then he turned around again and did some good by saving Roxanne as well as Metro City. Yeah, he made mistakes such as throwing his relationship with Roxanne in Hal's face to egg him on, but he learned and grew from those mistakes and those rejections versus Hal completely going the inverse and going explosive crazy.

@@OliverTCrowe My friend, thank you for enlightening me ^^.

I felt my soul scream "I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!!!"

Yeah I never meant to quote megamind but I've hade times when I really just didn't wanna be the bad guy anymore at the least wanna be left alone yknow

Same, I'm trying my best out here

My life was pretty much like that too. Wether it was to be a friend or whatever else... people ' did ' not ' even ' let ' me. Until I grew tired of it all and suddenly stepped back of it. Back to where it all began. My undisputed comfort zone. I do not plan to ever leave it again and I doubt there exists anything in life that can make me. Am I happy now? Glad? Fulfilled? Absolute happyness? I am... content. It is not perfect. But it does not have to be. We all know this feeling. Asking ourself _" WHAT IF I WOULD TRY JUST THIS ONCE... "_ But this are just this dumb noises of our primitive brains I guess. Or old dreams and hopes or behaviours, knocking on our doors even long after we threw them out. Is it the perfect lifestyle? I dunno. But I always see people trying to shape & control me. They do not want *ME.* They want my _"services"._ It is tiring really. So content to live my life with relative loneliness but also this god damn, sexy peace of mind that I would not trade for anything else in the world.

People arent good by default. Gotta fight to make any goodness happen and fight to prevent its corruption

I love that scene SO MUCH!

And he's right. Kinda. A supervillain is usually someone iconic, someone who leaves such an impression that his name invokes fear and recognition. Yes that usually means they're more dangerous than regular villains, but most importantly, everyone knows who they are. Like the joker. Or Thanos.

From what I remember, Megamind is filled with underrated quotes.

I love that scene so much too. I especially love the music. Also love ironman’s scene “monkeys in a barrel”.

Definitely not underrated these days

Too bad it looks like dookie

Exactly, Hal never takes the time to truly know Roxanne but he still thinks he deserves her.

​@@Privacymodeand yet he shames Roxanne later on for "never taking the time to get to know him" when she was able to list waaay more things about him than he could about her?

3) Presentation

number 1 is giving me cassy vibes from euphoria :))

what happens if someone is “both”?

Apply that 2nd one to people who virtue signal to much are usually have skeletons in their closet.

@@hanatemonstas4485 I'm not sure if that's possible but I could be wrong who knows. how would both work out?

Omg yes to both. ❤

I agree. I think Roxane felt empathy because she learned to know all the things that made Megamind be that way. He suffered so much, as much as that doesn´t excuse bad behavior, he was in the process of learning and growing and had so much potential and she could see that. She knows she has probably wronged people before. None of us a great all the time. When we don´t give second chances ever I feel we also fall into the nice guy trap, where we think we are always good and deserve the best but never account to other people´s journeys.

The best part was when megamind as metroman scared Hal away. The day was "saved" and the people have peace of mind now. But Roxanne went and took down the disguise to show that it was megamind who saved them. She was showing the public what she already knows......... megamind is a good person deep down. He just needed a chance to show it through his actions which he did

For me, I just guessed that at the end of the movie, Roxanne wasn't quite with Megamind yet, but she was opening up to him in a more romantic way, since they already had that sassy tension between them at the beginning of the movie.

@@giboi03 same! It felt like more of a “I forgive you” than a “wanna go steady?” Lol. If they had spent less time as megamind and Roxanne (as opposed to time as Bernard and Roxanne) both before and after the betrayal, I might feel differently about her coming around, but it read very naturally to me that they would (eventually) rekindle the relationship. For the dogshit why did she forgive him/why are they together version of this, see “passengers” lmao

I mean, changing your face to look human in order to look human because you've been shunned tour whole life for looking like an alien isn't a lie, its an escape. He at the time, wanted to be Bernard so it didn't feel like a lie, it felt like a reimagining of himself.

Ah, yes...expanding the moral spectrum in a healthy way. I just love this movie :3

good comment but L profile pic

To be honest, I am tired off people trying to be nice just for getting a girl. Now I cannot be nice (Which I am because of modals) because people may think other things... This is why I love the move.

No actually it doesn’t. Make it mine created Hal the way he was. It made him I had given him powers he would not have run amok. It is because of what Megamind did that Hal ran amok he gave him powers to a guy who was already emotionally disturbed plus he lied to him. You can’t expect a good outcome if you give a person who is being bully the same powers as superman, that person is going to use his powers get back as bullies but without training a self control that person is going to hurt his would be bullies. This is the case of Hal, while he wasn’t bullied he was a very depressed person who felt he was being used and his powers weren’t given exactly what he wanted. He became unhappy very quickly.

@@UserName-zb8ql ..bruh.