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Mel#9: Concludes the Dome is NOT what Muslims tell us! 

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We now come to our concluding episode where Mel tries to give us a date for the Dome and consequently for the large inscription with the references against Jesus' divinity, the trinity and Jesus' sonship.
1523-1543 AD: We find the Serpent King Mosaic on the outer arcade created, upon which sits the inscription which states that Umar was the builder of the Dome.
1720-1744 AD: The inscription is changed from Umar to Abd al-Malik as the builder.
1790-1820 AD: Al Ma'mun's name replaces that of Abd al-Malik as the builder of the Dome of the Rock.
1726 AD: Horn who worked at the Church of the Sepulchre mentions that the Dome wasn't built by Abd al-Malik, nor by Mamun, but had the signature of Umar applied to it in the 1520s.
1804 AD: Luigi Mayer says that the Drum was now round, yet the cupola was elongated and resembled an acorn.
1817 AD: The Sultan Mahmud II says that the outside of the Dome was restored with a round cupola, accompanied with Mosaics, while Mamun's corrected inscription was added at this time, so sometime before 1833 AD.
1841 AD: We are given descriptions of a similar Dome to what we have now, but it is not golden.
1842: William Leighton Leitch creates steel engravings of the Dome which look similar to the dome we have today, while David Robert draws the dome and calls it the "Mosque of Umar", suggesting, as before, that Umar built it.
1862 AD: Drawings of the Dome show that it still isn't golden.
1876 AD: It is at this time that the gold is added to the dome, and the outer inscriptions are created; including Surah 2:145-149 about the Qibla being changed from Jerusalem to the 'Masjid al Haram' (which Muslims claim is in Mecca) which was added above the southern portico, while Surah 17:1 is inscribed upon the Drum itself. This verse refers to the 'Miraj', the supposed night journey of Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem, though the verse itself only states that the prophet (no reference to Muhammad) went from the "great mosque to the farthest mosque".
Mel then concludes by pointing out 7 Holes in the history of the Dome of the Rock, derived from A.J. Deuss's research:
1) Our earliest reference to a structure (i.e. a Dome situated over the Temple Mount foundation rock) is in the late 9th century, while all other buildings on the Temple Mount are either too far east, or too far north; thus, 150 - 200 years too late!
2) Our earliest verifiable witness to the Dome of the Rock mosaics and the inner arcade inscriptions as they exist today is not until 1523-1543 AD, which is 830 years too late!
3) The earliest witnessed inscription concerning who built the Dome was from 1523-1543AD, and
it said Umar built it, so 830 years too late, and the wrong person.
4) The earliest verifiable date for the creation of the Abd Al Malik inscription is 1720-1744 AD, thus 1,028 years too late!
5) A complete re-building of the drum (from the ground up), going from an octagonal shape to a circular shape is not until the mid 18th century, so 1,058 years too late!
6) The mosaics and inscriptions on the drum and the dome are 18th century creations, which are again over 1,000 years too late!
7) The earliest verifiable date for the creation of the “Al Ma’mun” corrected inscription is sometime between 1817 and 1833 AD, so from 1,125 to 1,141 years too late!
So, in conclusion, we find that not only is there no building on the correct site on the Temple Mount until almost 200 years after Abd al-Malik, the inscriptions concerning who Jesus is don't really appear for another 800 years, while the references to who built it keep changing for over 1,000 years, and the final building which we see today was only finished in 1876, a good 1,180 years after Abd al-Malik time, whom the Traditions and everyone else has assumed up to now was the true builder.
With all of these eye-witness accounts, tabulated by A.J. Deuss, confronting the Standard Islamic Narrative (SIN), we are forced to, once again, re-assess everything we have known about this building, considered to be the 3rd most holy structure in Islam, which has huge ramifications concerning the origins of Islam.
© Pfander Centre for Apologetics - US, 2022
(65,280) Music: "Townsong" by Alexander Nakarada, from filmmusic-io

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@sgt.grinch3299
@sgt.grinch3299 2 года назад
We need to start calling this building the “Dome of the Mock”!
@samuelflores1419
@samuelflores1419 2 года назад
Yes Indeed! The Dome of The MOCK!
@SzTz100
@SzTz100 Год назад
I mean even if Islam is man-made, what difference does it make to people on the ground. They clearly believe in the Dome of the Rock and their religion. They need it now more than ever since they are fighting for their right to exist in Palestine.
@sgt.grinch3299
@sgt.grinch3299 2 года назад
Magnificent Mel. These holes are so big I can run a water pipeline from the Sea to the Zam Zam Well without touching the sides. GOD bless Dr. Jay and Mel (our Historic Super Hero).
@SzTz100
@SzTz100 Год назад
I hate to break it to you, all religions are man-made.
@ConservativeArabNet
@ConservativeArabNet 2 года назад
I read Arabic ! I was amazed with the modernity of the writing when I visited the dome of the rock ! It is similar to inscriptions on Mameluke tombs in 14 or even 16 century : it seems not as sold as in the traditional narrative
@IslamicOrigins
@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад
Thank you, Dr Wafik! That's valuable. I noticed in the British museum that the only Islamic artwork similar to the DOTR was in the same timeframe as you mentioned.
@gary_rumain_you_peons
@gary_rumain_you_peons 2 года назад
Even without the diacritic marks?
@tc2851
@tc2851 2 года назад
That is a very good point. The writing style is commonly used to date a script.
@IslamicOrigins
@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад
@@tc2851 Caution needs to be taken as it is easy for an artist to mimic a writing style from an earlier era.
@tc2851
@tc2851 2 года назад
@@IslamicOrigins touché 👍
@islamicstatewatchdotcom1252
@islamicstatewatchdotcom1252 2 года назад
Wonderful material, we'll update the Education page from our website with this thesis! May God be with you Mel and Jay!
@Draous1
@Draous1 2 года назад
When i went to Jerusalem, the guide (worked as a historian) said the gold was placed on the dome by the King of Jordan as as way to lay claim to it as he paid for all that gold.
@SzTz100
@SzTz100 Год назад
Probably, not sure what it changes.
@nihilonisicruce6843
@nihilonisicruce6843 2 года назад
Very impressive series Mel and Jay. However, Thomas Alexander is pouring a whole load of ice cold water on this theory on his channel. How about a conference?
@chrishoff402
@chrishoff402 2 года назад
You guys need to get Thomas Alexander on, because there are problems with A.J.Deus's interpretation of Woodcuts and old descriptions. Another point are the white grapes in the mosaics and the whole story about the 72 virgins connected with it. That goes back to the early period. That's not to say corrections, restorations work and plain old building maintenance haven't been going on, but be careful with Deus, because Thomas has demonstrated how he plays fast and loose with facts.
@roukayajannah5111
@roukayajannah5111 2 года назад
The artist Luigi Mayer was born in 1755 and died in 1803. So, he couldn’t make a drawing in 1804. Also, he travelled extensively through the Ottoman Empire between 1776 and 1794, and became well known for his sketches and paintings of panoramic landscapes of ancient sites(Wikipedia). So, all his drawings from Palestine are made before 1794. His original drawings were published in a book titled ‘’Views in Palestine’’ in London in 1804 by others. He made 4 drawings where we can see the Dome of the Rock, titled as … 1.Jerusalem with the Church of Holy Sepulchre 2.Jerusalem from the West 3.Temple of Solomon 4. View of Jerusalem taken from the Mount of Olives In the video, you show drawing #4, this image is really not clear. You can find better, more clear, colored, googling. In all 4 drawings, I saw the drum and the copola having an octagonal shape. We can see clearly the lines dividing the drum and also the elongated dome. It seems that the artist took some liberties in his artistic work. Yes, in my opinion, it’s the Bell tower of Holy Sepulchre on drawing #4.
@thelifeemery
@thelifeemery 2 года назад
I just finished reading AJ Deus' paper for myself last night and I find a lot of issues with it. Please have a critical eye. He certainly places a lot of weight on evidences from sources that were not actually eye witnesses. Still enjoyed the videos on this topic and your perspective Mel ~ Cheers.
@angrygirl7083
@angrygirl7083 2 года назад
Where did you find this paper?
@muslimstochrist7633
@muslimstochrist7633 2 года назад
Thank you so much for doing so much research about this! It is amazing to see more history that supports Jesus and reveals the lies of Islam! Muslims need to hear the truth of the Gospel! Watch the intro video on my homepage to learn about how to evangelize to Muslims.
@FOCUS-000
@FOCUS-000 2 года назад
In fact, there is the Omar Mosque opposite the main entrance to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher
@angrygirl7083
@angrygirl7083 2 года назад
Thank you, I didn't know that.
@simoncoss3321
@simoncoss3321 2 года назад
Zee Thomaz Akexanders reply. AjDeus was not a careful scholar at all. The done tower was slawys round
@WilliamMartinez-lm1sk
@WilliamMartinez-lm1sk 2 года назад
Hello, thank you for the info. God 🙏 bless you all.
@ephraimteitelbaum7696
@ephraimteitelbaum7696 2 года назад
Hi, there’s a mosque near the Holy Sépulture which name is the « mosque of Omar ».
@mikejohnson5059
@mikejohnson5059 2 года назад
100 years from now. People will be reading that Mecca that we see being built today was actually built in 632 AD
@Zebred2001
@Zebred2001 2 года назад
The Dome of the Rock is one onion that can be pealed back layer by layer leaving a bad smell for muslims and their eyes watering!
@jeneb52
@jeneb52 2 года назад
Great information guys! I know a way you can find out when Mecca was installed in southern Arabia, check out the building records to the exact date of its creation! I'm sure you'll be told it's not available, but I have confidence in you Jay!
@petergrimshaw492
@petergrimshaw492 2 года назад
All the videos are really engaging !
@steveduff4046
@steveduff4046 8 месяцев назад
I took for granted it ALWAYS looked like that ... 1st time I even hear about Dome looking different ... ever! Thanks 🙏
@JohnSmith-vh5mc
@JohnSmith-vh5mc 2 года назад
This exposition goes far beyond the questioning the origins of Islam. All wheels of SIN are now loose.
@gavinjames1145
@gavinjames1145 2 года назад
Thomas Alexander's evidence on this topic is stronger.
@rockzalt
@rockzalt 2 года назад
The evidence does not necessarily disagree with each other either. Neither side can conclusively date the when and which building the writing appeared. However they both tell us that building has not been "perfectly preserved" any more than the Quran.
@gavinjames1145
@gavinjames1145 2 года назад
@@rockzalt Certainly, there is some interpretation required for both approaches. But Alexander has copies of original publications and can directly translate the texts. I think that Mel's approach involves a series of assumptions, such as the collapse of the dome causing unavoidable damage to the (original?) mosaics around the inner ambulatory. Alexander's attention to detail and his more rigorous analytical approach helps to support his arguments too.
@rockzalt
@rockzalt 2 года назад
@@gavinjames1145 I think interpolation is more specific in meaning than interpretation and Mel has a slightly different kind to deal with. To notice the addition of text is one thing, adding pictures from woodcuts drawn by men who weren't necessarily there but have borrowed from other artists is another type just as difficult to identify.
@thalamay
@thalamay 2 года назад
@@rockzalt You have to differentiate here between what’s possible, what’s plausible and what’s likely. AJ Deus made some very specific claims. It’s not just that he says that there’s a lot of uncertainty, he (and Mel) flat out says that the Dome didn’t exist until very late in the 9th century. He says that the Dome was completely destroyed multiple times. He says that the drum of the Dome was octagonal until the 18th century. He says that the inscriptions were a forgery of the 19th century. To make these concrete claims, he presents concrete evidence which can be checked. As it turns out, none of his evidence holds up to scrutiny. In the Case of the drum he relies on depictions of non-eye-witnesses while ignoring those of eye-witnesses which contradict him. And of course he just brushes away the written testimony of eye witnesses. Regarding everything else, he selectively read his sources to the point where he reads the opposite of what is said there. In fact, his own sources contradict him completely, every single time. Given that his premises are all demonstrably wrong, his conclusion must be rejected. Of course it’s still possible that the Dome is a late forgery despite all of AJ’s errors, but it’s not plausible let alone likely. It would take some kind of cosmic coincidence for his conclusion to be correct while all the premises are wrong.
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134 2 года назад
Do Pakistan's and Turkish and Sodanies have the right to ocupay Japan and proscutes it's native people ..... now it matters .... this is raciesem ... stop your suport to racial descremination the true Judea is Islam .... Mohamed PBUH protected real Judea. ... these who call themselfes jews got nothing to do with what Judea is ... they manapolated the Torah & learned to speak HEPREW do Japanese for example once they start calling them selfs Catholics & start learning Italian language ... do they have the right to ocupay VATICAN & proscutes the native italians ..... answer me the Muslim country's are Muslims becouse its native people accepted Islam .... if the whole world accepted Islam ... let it be for there prosperity ... each nation can call it self an Islamic nation .... the case is the choice of the native PEOPLE. ... not the number of how many Muslim country Islam liberated our holy land ... the true people of the holy land came back screaming ALLAH AKBAR before 14 century's ... the army of Islam was filled with native ISRAELI Muslims who pushed for Roman & bezantees ocupaiers from our holy land .... PLZ study history and be HUMEN .... you cannot say Islam attacked the holy land .... Islam liberated the HOLY land THOSE WHO CONTROL THE UNITED NATION ARE THE ONE WHO CREATED THE SO CALLED ISRAEL STATE FOR THEM TO CONTROL & INSLAVE THE PEOPLE IN THE REGION THE WEST SHOULD NOT USE THE EUROPEANS WHO CALL THEMSELFES JEWS BY BRINGING THEM BY FORCE & BY IMPOSING THEM INTO OUR HOLY LAND ESTABLISHING A SO CALLED ISRAELI STATE IS ITSELF IS UNLEGAL THIS POWERS IN THE WEST IS WORKING FOR DECADES TO DESTROY ANY LOWCASE AGAINST THE SO CALLED ISRAELI STATE THAT'S WHY THEY ALWAYES SAY THE FOLLOWING IN MIDLE EAST : ISRAEL STSTE (GENTILE JEWISH STATE) IS THE WEST BAYBY OR CHILD they are OCUPAIERS & they must go back to there home land ... they must say the truth ... all of them ... and we all must blame them not defend them GOD BLESS THE RECESTANCE LIKE THE ONE IN GAZA 75456
@fay1298
@fay1298 2 года назад
Thank you Mel for your hard work in explaining A J Deus’ paper.
@IslamicOrigins
@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад
Hi Fay, thank you! I'm tired after covering Deus in 3 series, the other coming up on Al Fadi.
@fay1298
@fay1298 2 года назад
@@IslamicOrigins great work nonetheless. I’ll see you on Al Fadi. 👍
@FRED-gx2qk
@FRED-gx2qk 2 года назад
Welcome Mel !
@jariwilenius6537
@jariwilenius6537 2 года назад
In the 3rd video from Mel (Mel#3: DOME's Inscriptions are 100s of years TOO LATE!) there is a text which says that the cupola is constructed using iron beams. If so, that strongly suggests that the cupola is likely from the 19th century, and definitely not earlier than from the 18th century.
@springheeledjack9652
@springheeledjack9652 2 года назад
The Gold was added in the 1960s
@tassiloerhardt6596
@tassiloerhardt6596 2 года назад
Thanks. One might even say that it is Dome of the Sham-Rock. 🤣
@IslamicOrigins
@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад
Haha
@jaydee6414
@jaydee6414 2 года назад
The present gilded dome only appeared on the scene around 1994 after King Hussein of Jordan (the recognised custodian of the Islamic shrines on the Temple Mount at that time) sold one of his London residences to pay for the renovation. Before that it had an anodized aluminium faux gold look which was from work done in 1956.
@daduzadude1547
@daduzadude1547 2 года назад
@UClXGVRjtlLcpnwxXT4zHqVA reported
@atruthsneaker3800
@atruthsneaker3800 2 года назад
It reminds me of “Trigger’s Broom” from “Only fools and horses”!
@atruthsneaker3800
@atruthsneaker3800 2 года назад
m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LAh8HryVaeY.html
@dollahmusa6705
@dollahmusa6705 2 года назад
All conqure by battle , and put their names...but hw many time it has been swallow by earth .....
@emongral
@emongral 2 года назад
Thanks you all.
@roukayajannah5111
@roukayajannah5111 2 года назад
At 3:56 mins Mel you said again ‘’ the 20 meters inscription’’ it’s 240 meters inscription! What’s the proof of 20 meters measurement?
@IslamicOrigins
@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад
This was recorded weeks ago. I just mis-remembered it.
@RoarT19
@RoarT19 2 года назад
Historical evidence is Haram to Islam 😁🥲
@briendoyle4680
@briendoyle4680 2 года назад
and to all religions...
@ankur7773
@ankur7773 2 года назад
ABDUL KNOWS THE ✝️RU✝️H, IS AFRAID TO ACCEPT IT
@RoarT19
@RoarT19 2 года назад
@@briendoyle4680 Well Sudarium of Ovierdo and Shroud of Christ says Hello John 20:7
@ACF1901
@ACF1901 2 года назад
So why are you following a religious channel??
@briendoyle4680
@briendoyle4680 2 года назад
@@ankur7773 Yes - that no gods have ever been proven...
@truthsayer4460
@truthsayer4460 2 года назад
Inscriptions need not be of the same date of the building of a dome.
@mikejohnson5059
@mikejohnson5059 2 года назад
It should be called the Oil Dome. Oil money paid for the dome.
@bryannoe
@bryannoe 2 года назад
St Paisios calls it the Mosque of Omar also. Dig into the Orthodox Christian history.
@remiwinther7873
@remiwinther7873 2 года назад
Here for the avalanche
@trickydicky2323
@trickydicky2323 2 года назад
I found a picture from 1952... no gold … that was added in the second half of 20th century … Jordanians …
@nemesis1291
@nemesis1291 2 года назад
History and islääm is like oil and water... Lying and islääm is like sugar and water...
@embmaxim.3340
@embmaxim.3340 2 года назад
❤️👍
@dduffy1133
@dduffy1133 2 года назад
Wow!
@salancy3279
@salancy3279 2 года назад
💐✝️💐🙏👍
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134 2 года назад
Do Pakistan's and Turkish and Sodanies have the right to ocupay Japan and proscutes it's native people ..... now it matters .... this is raciesem ... stop your suport to racial descremination the true Judea is Islam .... Mohamed PBUH protected real Judea. ... these who call themselfes jews got nothing to do with what Judea is ... they manapolated the Torah & learned to speak HEPREW do Japanese for example once they start calling them selfs Catholics & start learning Italian language ... do they have the right to ocupay VATICAN & proscutes the native italians ..... answer me the Muslim country's are Muslims becouse its native people accepted Islam .... if the whole world accepted Islam ... let it be for there prosperity ... each nation can call it self an Islamic nation .... the case is the choice of the native PEOPLE. ... not the number of how many Muslim country Islam liberated our holy land ... the true people of the holy land came back screaming ALLAH AKBAR before 14 century's ... the army of Islam was filled with native ISRAELI Muslims who pushed for Roman & bezantees ocupaiers from our holy land .... PLZ study history and be HUMEN .... you cannot say Islam attacked the holy land .... Islam liberated the HOLY land THOSE WHO CONTROL THE UNITED NATION ARE THE ONE WHO CREATED THE SO CALLED ISRAEL STATE FOR THEM TO CONTROL & INSLAVE THE PEOPLE IN THE REGION THE WEST SHOULD NOT USE THE EUROPEANS WHO CALL THEMSELFES JEWS BY BRINGING THEM BY FORCE & BY IMPOSING THEM INTO OUR HOLY LAND ESTABLISHING A SO CALLED ISRAELI STATE IS ITSELF IS UNLEGAL THIS POWERS IN THE WEST IS WORKING FOR DECADES TO DESTROY ANY LOWCASE AGAINST THE SO CALLED ISRAELI STATE THAT'S WHY THEY ALWAYES SAY THE FOLLOWING IN MIDLE EAST : ISRAEL STSTE (GENTILE JEWISH STATE) IS THE WEST BAYBY OR CHILD they are OCUPAIERS & they must go back to there home land ... they must say the truth ... all of them ... and we all must blame them not defend them GOD BLESS THE RECESTANCE LIKE THE ONE IN GAZA 75456..
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134 2 года назад
بعثة خاتم الرسل محمد * اقامة الحجه ومبررات متغيرات الزمنيه Mission of the Seal of the Messengers Muhammad * Establishing the argument and justifications for temporal variables حتى اقامة الحجه من الله عز وجل تستلزم منا كمخلوقات مميزه له سبحانه وتعالى ان نتفهم مبرراتها الزمنيه::::: . Even establishing the argument from God Almighty requires us, as distinct creatures to Him, glory be to Him, to understand its temporal justifications::: في نهاية القرن الرابع وضع الامبراطور تيودسيوس ستاً و ثلاثين مادة لمقاومة اليهودية و الهرقطة ، و حظر عبادات الوثنيين ، و أمر بتحطيم صورهم و معابدهم . At the end of the fourth century, Emperor Theodosius made thirty-six articles of resistance to Judaism and heresy, and prohibited the worship of pagans, and ordered the destruction of their images and temples. وفي عام 379م أمر الامبراطور فالنتيان الثاني بتنصر كل رعايا الدولة الرومية ، و قتل كل من لم يتنصر، و اعترف طامس نيوتن بقتل أكثر من سبعين ألف In the year 379 AD, Emperor Valentian II ordered the conversion of all the subjects of the Roman state, and the killing of all those who did not convert, and Thomas Newton admitted to killing more than seventy thousand وفي القرن الخامس كان القديس أوغسطين يقول بأن عقاب الملحدين من علامات الرفق بهم حتى يخلصوا ، و برر قسوته على الذين رفضوا النصرانية بما ذكرته التوراة عن فعل يشوع وحزقيال بأعداء بني إسرائيل الوثنيين In the fifth century, St. Augustine used to say that punishing atheists is a sign of kindness to them until they are saved, and he justified his cruelty to those who rejected Christianity by what the Torah mentioned about Joshua and Ezekiel’s actions against the pagan enemies of the Children of Israel. . واستمر القتل و القهر لمن رفض النصرانية في ممالك أوربا المختلفة ، و منها مملكة أسبانيا حيث خيروا الناس بين النصر أو السجن أو الجلاء من أسبانيا ، و ذكر القس مرّيك أنه قد خرج من أسبانيا ما لا يقل عن مائة و سبعين ألفاً The killing and oppression of those who refused SP CALLED Christianity continued in the various kingdoms of Europe, including the Kingdom of Spain, where people were given the choice between victory, imprisonment, or evacuation from Spain, and Reverend Merrick stated that no less than one hundred and seventy thousand left Spain. . وفي القرن الثامن اعتيد فرض المسيحية في شروط السلام والأمان التي تعطى للقبائل المهزومة ( يحتاج مزيد من الايضاحات) In the eighth century, SP CALLED Christianity was imposed in terms of peace and security given to the defeated tribes (ITS DARKNESS THAT NEED FURTHER EXPLANATIPN) وذلك العنف كان في فرنسا أيضا، فقد فرض الملك شارلمان النصرانية بحد السيف على السكسون ، و أباد الملك كنوت غير المسيحيين في الدانمارك ، و مثله فعل الملك أولاف (995م) في النرويج و جماعة من إخوان السيف في بروسيا. ' And that violence was also in France, for King Charlemagne imposed Christianity with the point of the sword on the Saxons, and King Knut annihilated non-Christians in Denmark, as did King Olaf (995 AD) in Norway and a group of the Sword Brothers in Prussia. . يقول المؤرخ بريفولت: إن عدد من قتلتهم المسيحية في انتشارها في أوربا يتراوح بين 7-15 مليوناً. و يلفت شلبي النظر إلى أن العدد هائل بالنسبة لعدد سكان أوربا حينذاك . Historian Breault says: The number of those killed by Christianity in its spread in Europe ranges between 7-15 million. Shalaby draws attention to the fact that the number is huge in relation to the population of Europe at the time ولما تعددت الفرق النصرانية استباحت كل من هذه الفرق الأخرى و ساموا أتباعها أشد العذاب ، فعندما رفض أقباط مصر قرار مجمع خليقدونية عذبهم الرومان في الكنائس And when the SP CALLED Christian sects multiplied, each of these other sects desecrated and subjugated their followers to the most severe punishment. When the Copts of Egypt rejected the decision of the Council of Chalcedon, the Romans tortured them in the churches و استمرت المعاناة سنين طويلة ، و أحرق أخ الأسقف الأكبر بنيامين حياً ثم رموه في البحر. فيما بقي الأسقف متوارياً لمدة سبع سنين ، و لم يظهر إلا بعد استيلاء المسلمين على مصر و رحيل الرومان عنها The suffering continued for many years, and the elder brother of the bishop Benjamin was burned alive and then thrown into the sea. While the bishop remained hidden for seven years, and did not appear until after the Muslims took over Egypt and the Romans left it. . ويقول غوستاف لوبون في كتابه " حضارة العرب " :" أكرهت مصر على انتحال النصرانية الرومانية، و لكنها هبطت بذلك إلى حضيض الانحطاط الذي لم ينتشلها منه سوى الفتح العربي " . Gustave Le Bon says in his book “The Civilization of the Arabs”: “Egypt was forced to impersonate Roman Christianity, but with that it fell to the bottom of decadence, from which only the Arab conquest lifted it.” وكتب ميخائيل بطريرك أنطاكية: " إن رب الانتقام استقدم من المناطق الجنوبية أبناء إسماعيل ، لينقذنا بواسطتهم من أيدي الرومانيين ، و إذ تكبدنا بعض الخسائر لأن الكنائس التي انتزعت منا و أعطيت لأنصار مجمع خليقدونية بقيت لهم، إلا أننا قد أصابنا القليل بتحررنا من قسوة الرومان و شرورهم ، و من غضبهم و حفيظتهم علينا. هذا من جهة ، و من جهة أخرى سادت الطمأنينة بيننا . Michael, Patriarch of Antioch wrote: “The Lord of vengeance brought the sons of Ishmael from the southern regions, to rescue us through them from the hands of the Romans, and since we suffered some losses because the churches that were taken away from us and given to the supporters of the Council of Chalcedon remained for them. On the one hand, and on the other hand, peace prevailed between us. وكان جستيان الأول (ت565) قد قتل من القبط في الإسكندرية وحدها مائتي ألف قبطي . Justin I (d. 565) had killed two hundred thousand Copts in Alexandria alone كما تعرض الموحدون النصارى للنفي و القتل في العصور مختلفة من تاريخ النصرانية فاضطهد آريوس و أتباعه و حرق سرفيتوس واستمر القتل والتنكيل حتى كاد أن يندثر الموحدون من النصرانية The Christian monotheists were also subjected to exile and murder in different ages of the history of SO CALLED Christianity, so Arius and his followers were persecuted and Servetus was burned, and the killing and abuse continued until the monotheists almost disappeared from Christianity I had enoigh ... I think this is enough EXPLANATION about darkness يكفيني شرح عن الظلام: سأتوقف الآن ارجوكم لا تحذفوا المقطع لاهميته وشكراFft
@MidnightVisions
@MidnightVisions 2 года назад
So Jay, what happens to those 691ah Standard Islamic Narrative inscriptions by ab al malik's introducing the new religion as "Islam", and the Arabs being called "Muslims", and somebody named Muhammad?
@steveduff4046
@steveduff4046 8 месяцев назад
Why these infos come from Westerners almost all the time, and not from muslims? Just askin' ... 🙏
@ready1fire1aim1
@ready1fire1aim1 2 года назад
Yesh (closest to his true name) ALIASES Existence The Atzmus Atzmus Yesh Elohim Yahweh YHWH Jehovah Allah Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit Anu Tupã Yaldabaoth Sabaoth Demiurge The Godhead Zakarum Tetragrammaton El YHVH Christ God of the Bible Biblical God El Shaddai Elyon Shalom Chief of Heaven Shekhinah Fimbultyr Tze-Yo-Tzuh He Who Is Monad Yang Chuck Shurley Big Cheese Capital G Ceiling Cat Old Beardy The Holy Father The Father The Great Reason The One True God The Creator The Lord The Boss The Author The Writer The Master of Order and Light The Creator of Mankind The Heavenly Father Supreme Being of All Creation The Light The God of the Covenant The Ancient of Days The Lord of Hosts The King of Kings The Lord of Lords The Ruler of the Heavens The Lord God The Heart of All Light The Almighty The One Above All The One Unactualized Actualizer The Love that moves the Sun and the Outer Stars The Big Guy in the Sky The Man Upstairs Sarama Deva-shuni Hunab Ku Ipmil Brahman Tian Great Spirit Wakan Tanka Gitche Manitou Umvelinqangi Ba'al Shangdi Waheguru Ein Sof The Infinite One of a kind Father Light Theos The Original One AFFILIATION Everything, The Holy Trinity, Three Great Titans of Creation
@MHLitu
@MHLitu 2 года назад
Are u able to show the second Temple Token's picture which will conquered the Holy Land by the grace of Almighty ALLAH.
@aevumcorvi2108
@aevumcorvi2108 2 года назад
We finished this series, and then Thomas' response, it is the same doubts and a lot of additional academic issues seen on the start of this series. This one is certainly entertaining, however, we do not think it is worth it to invest a lot time and effort, that had already significant red flags starting on. The "SIN sifters" should at least practice due diligence, or else your credibility will be harmed.
@dirtycash131
@dirtycash131 2 года назад
Is it possible that Pope XIII's calendar reform completely confused the entire year count between the Ottoman and Hebrew year counts of the time? As far as I know the Ottomans had a different system. That could explain why you get completely different year numbers. Pope Gregory was unpopular. He was accused of shady dealings with the Serpent Kings. The Ottomans also occupied parts of Italy at that time; whereupon the Pope knelt before the Sultan. Is it therefore possible that the calendar change could have been a "deal" between the Pope and the Ottoman Sultan Suleyman? Did Prophet Mohamed act after 600AD or only at 1000-1300AD (about 600 years)? There are rumors that Muhammad was mainly active in Turkey around 1200 AD, at he time from Sultan Saladin, Haci Bektas Veli (between 1200-1550AD) etc. You will know better.
@krzysztofciuba271
@krzysztofciuba271 2 года назад
Fascinating: the pope knelt before the sultan! I 'love" it; and the AD 1983, JPII, and gen. Jaruzelski meeting and who was...sharing and trembling (on camera); also the kidnapping of E.Orlandi (Ali Agca trial still on) who(and M.Gregori) have never been found alive, mentioned in Pope's homilies! who got the info from Rome. Mr.A.Agca is still playing "fool", therefore he is still ....alive!
@fantasia55
@fantasia55 2 года назад
a Pope never knelt to a Sultan.
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134 2 года назад
Do Pakistan's and Turkish and Sodanies have the right to ocupay Japan and proscutes it's native people ..... now it matters .... this is raciesem ... stop your suport to racial descremination the true Judea is Islam .... Mohamed PBUH protected real Judea. ... these who call themselfes jews got nothing to do with what Judea is ... they manapolated the Torah & learned to speak HEPREW do Japanese for example once they start calling them selfs Catholics & start learning Italian language ... do they have the right to ocupay VATICAN & proscutes the native italians ..... answer me the Muslim country's are Muslims becouse its native people accepted Islam .... if the whole world accepted Islam ... let it be for there prosperity ... each nation can call it self an Islamic nation .... the case is the choice of the native PEOPLE. ... not the number of how many Muslim country Islam liberated our holy land ... the true people of the holy land came back screaming ALLAH AKBAR before 14 century's ... the army of Islam was filled with native ISRAELI Muslims who pushed for Roman & bezantees ocupaiers from our holy land .... PLZ study history and be HUMEN .... you cannot say Islam attacked the holy land .... Islam liberated the HOLY land THOSE WHO CONTROL THE UNITED NATION ARE THE ONE WHO CREATED THE SO CALLED ISRAEL STATE FOR THEM TO CONTROL & INSLAVE THE PEOPLE IN THE REGION THE WEST SHOULD NOT USE THE EUROPEANS WHO CALL THEMSELFES JEWS BY BRINGING THEM BY FORCE & BY IMPOSING THEM INTO OUR HOLY LAND ESTABLISHING A SO CALLED ISRAELI STATE IS ITSELF IS UNLEGAL THIS POWERS IN THE WEST IS WORKING FOR DECADES TO DESTROY ANY LOWCASE AGAINST THE SO CALLED ISRAELI STATE THAT'S WHY THEY ALWAYES SAY THE FOLLOWING IN MIDLE EAST : ISRAEL STSTE (GENTILE JEWISH STATE) IS THE WEST BAYBY OR CHILD they are OCUPAIERS & they must go back to there home land ... they must say the truth ... all of them ... and we all must blame them not defend them GOD BLESS THE RECESTANCE LIKE THE ONE IN GAZA 75456..
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134 2 года назад
بعثة خاتم الرسل محمد * اقامة الحجه ومبررات متغيرات الزمنيه Mission of the Seal of the Messengers Muhammad * Establishing the argument and justifications for temporal variables حتى اقامة الحجه من الله عز وجل تستلزم منا كمخلوقات مميزه له سبحانه وتعالى ان نتفهم مبرراتها الزمنيه::::: . Even establishing the argument from God Almighty requires us, as distinct creatures to Him, glory be to Him, to understand its temporal justifications::: في نهاية القرن الرابع وضع الامبراطور تيودسيوس ستاً و ثلاثين مادة لمقاومة اليهودية و الهرقطة ، و حظر عبادات الوثنيين ، و أمر بتحطيم صورهم و معابدهم . At the end of the fourth century, Emperor Theodosius made thirty-six articles of resistance to Judaism and heresy, and prohibited the worship of pagans, and ordered the destruction of their images and temples. وفي عام 379م أمر الامبراطور فالنتيان الثاني بتنصر كل رعايا الدولة الرومية ، و قتل كل من لم يتنصر، و اعترف طامس نيوتن بقتل أكثر من سبعين ألف In the year 379 AD, Emperor Valentian II ordered the conversion of all the subjects of the Roman state, and the killing of all those who did not convert, and Thomas Newton admitted to killing more than seventy thousand وفي القرن الخامس كان القديس أوغسطين يقول بأن عقاب الملحدين من علامات الرفق بهم حتى يخلصوا ، و برر قسوته على الذين رفضوا النصرانية بما ذكرته التوراة عن فعل يشوع وحزقيال بأعداء بني إسرائيل الوثنيين In the fifth century, St. Augustine used to say that punishing atheists is a sign of kindness to them until they are saved, and he justified his cruelty to those who rejected Christianity by what the Torah mentioned about Joshua and Ezekiel’s actions against the pagan enemies of the Children of Israel. . واستمر القتل و القهر لمن رفض النصرانية في ممالك أوربا المختلفة ، و منها مملكة أسبانيا حيث خيروا الناس بين النصر أو السجن أو الجلاء من أسبانيا ، و ذكر القس مرّيك أنه قد خرج من أسبانيا ما لا يقل عن مائة و سبعين ألفاً The killing and oppression of those who refused SP CALLED Christianity continued in the various kingdoms of Europe, including the Kingdom of Spain, where people were given the choice between victory, imprisonment, or evacuation from Spain, and Reverend Merrick stated that no less than one hundred and seventy thousand left Spain. . وفي القرن الثامن اعتيد فرض المسيحية في شروط السلام والأمان التي تعطى للقبائل المهزومة ( يحتاج مزيد من الايضاحات) In the eighth century, SP CALLED Christianity was imposed in terms of peace and security given to the defeated tribes (ITS DARKNESS THAT NEED FURTHER EXPLANATIPN) وذلك العنف كان في فرنسا أيضا، فقد فرض الملك شارلمان النصرانية بحد السيف على السكسون ، و أباد الملك كنوت غير المسيحيين في الدانمارك ، و مثله فعل الملك أولاف (995م) في النرويج و جماعة من إخوان السيف في بروسيا. ' And that violence was also in France, for King Charlemagne imposed Christianity with the point of the sword on the Saxons, and King Knut annihilated non-Christians in Denmark, as did King Olaf (995 AD) in Norway and a group of the Sword Brothers in Prussia. . يقول المؤرخ بريفولت: إن عدد من قتلتهم المسيحية في انتشارها في أوربا يتراوح بين 7-15 مليوناً. و يلفت شلبي النظر إلى أن العدد هائل بالنسبة لعدد سكان أوربا حينذاك . Historian Breault says: The number of those killed by Christianity in its spread in Europe ranges between 7-15 million. Shalaby draws attention to the fact that the number is huge in relation to the population of Europe at the time ولما تعددت الفرق النصرانية استباحت كل من هذه الفرق الأخرى و ساموا أتباعها أشد العذاب ، فعندما رفض أقباط مصر قرار مجمع خليقدونية عذبهم الرومان في الكنائس And when the SP CALLED Christian sects multiplied, each of these other sects desecrated and subjugated their followers to the most severe punishment. When the Copts of Egypt rejected the decision of the Council of Chalcedon, the Romans tortured them in the churches و استمرت المعاناة سنين طويلة ، و أحرق أخ الأسقف الأكبر بنيامين حياً ثم رموه في البحر. فيما بقي الأسقف متوارياً لمدة سبع سنين ، و لم يظهر إلا بعد استيلاء المسلمين على مصر و رحيل الرومان عنها The suffering continued for many years, and the elder brother of the bishop Benjamin was burned alive and then thrown into the sea. While the bishop remained hidden for seven years, and did not appear until after the Muslims took over Egypt and the Romans left it. . ويقول غوستاف لوبون في كتابه " حضارة العرب " :" أكرهت مصر على انتحال النصرانية الرومانية، و لكنها هبطت بذلك إلى حضيض الانحطاط الذي لم ينتشلها منه سوى الفتح العربي " . Gustave Le Bon says in his book “The Civilization of the Arabs”: “Egypt was forced to impersonate Roman Christianity, but with that it fell to the bottom of decadence, from which only the Arab conquest lifted it.” وكتب ميخائيل بطريرك أنطاكية: " إن رب الانتقام استقدم من المناطق الجنوبية أبناء إسماعيل ، لينقذنا بواسطتهم من أيدي الرومانيين ، و إذ تكبدنا بعض الخسائر لأن الكنائس التي انتزعت منا و أعطيت لأنصار مجمع خليقدونية بقيت لهم، إلا أننا قد أصابنا القليل بتحررنا من قسوة الرومان و شرورهم ، و من غضبهم و حفيظتهم علينا. هذا من جهة ، و من جهة أخرى سادت الطمأنينة بيننا . Michael, Patriarch of Antioch wrote: “The Lord of vengeance brought the sons of Ishmael from the southern regions, to rescue us through them from the hands of the Romans, and since we suffered some losses because the churches that were taken away from us and given to the supporters of the Council of Chalcedon remained for them. On the one hand, and on the other hand, peace prevailed between us. وكان جستيان الأول (ت565) قد قتل من القبط في الإسكندرية وحدها مائتي ألف قبطي . Justin I (d. 565) had killed two hundred thousand Copts in Alexandria alone كما تعرض الموحدون النصارى للنفي و القتل في العصور مختلفة من تاريخ النصرانية فاضطهد آريوس و أتباعه و حرق سرفيتوس واستمر القتل والتنكيل حتى كاد أن يندثر الموحدون من النصرانية The Christian monotheists were also subjected to exile and murder in different ages of the history of SO CALLED Christianity, so Arius and his followers were persecuted and Servetus was burned, and the killing and abuse continued until the monotheists almost disappeared from Christianity I had enoigh ... I think this is enough EXPLANATION about darkness يكفيني شرح عن الظلام: سأتوقف الآن ارجوكم لا تحذفوا المقطع لاهميته وشكراFf
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134 2 года назад
@@irishheritage893 are you TALKING about your self _ plz DON'T be hard at yourself _ just accept the truth 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Lancet75
@Lancet75 2 года назад
Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134
@tehranthebigestenemy.givem2134 2 года назад
بعثة خاتم الرسل محمد * اقامة الحجه ومبررات متغيرات الزمنيه Mission of the Seal of the Messengers Muhammad * Establishing the argument and justifications for temporal variables حتى اقامة الحجه من الله عز وجل تستلزم منا كمخلوقات مميزه له سبحانه وتعالى ان نتفهم مبرراتها الزمنيه::::: . Even establishing the argument from God Almighty requires us, as distinct creatures to Him, glory be to Him, to understand its temporal justifications::: في نهاية القرن الرابع وضع الامبراطور تيودسيوس ستاً و ثلاثين مادة لمقاومة اليهودية و الهرقطة ، و حظر عبادات الوثنيين ، و أمر بتحطيم صورهم و معابدهم . At the end of the fourth century, Emperor Theodosius made thirty-six articles of resistance to Judaism and heresy, and prohibited the worship of pagans, and ordered the destruction of their images and temples. وفي عام 379م أمر الامبراطور فالنتيان الثاني بتنصر كل رعايا الدولة الرومية ، و قتل كل من لم يتنصر، و اعترف طامس نيوتن بقتل أكثر من سبعين ألف In the year 379 AD, Emperor Valentian II ordered the conversion of all the subjects of the Roman state, and the killing of all those who did not convert, and Thomas Newton admitted to killing more than seventy thousand وفي القرن الخامس كان القديس أوغسطين يقول بأن عقاب الملحدين من علامات الرفق بهم حتى يخلصوا ، و برر قسوته على الذين رفضوا النصرانية بما ذكرته التوراة عن فعل يشوع وحزقيال بأعداء بني إسرائيل الوثنيين In the fifth century, St. Augustine used to say that punishing atheists is a sign of kindness to them until they are saved, and he justified his cruelty to those who rejected Christianity by what the Torah mentioned about Joshua and Ezekiel’s actions against the pagan enemies of the Children of Israel. . واستمر القتل و القهر لمن رفض النصرانية في ممالك أوربا المختلفة ، و منها مملكة أسبانيا حيث خيروا الناس بين النصر أو السجن أو الجلاء من أسبانيا ، و ذكر القس مرّيك أنه قد خرج من أسبانيا ما لا يقل عن مائة و سبعين ألفاً The killing and oppression of those who refused SP CALLED Christianity continued in the various kingdoms of Europe, including the Kingdom of Spain, where people were given the choice between victory, imprisonment, or evacuation from Spain, and Reverend Merrick stated that no less than one hundred and seventy thousand left Spain. . وفي القرن الثامن اعتيد فرض المسيحية في شروط السلام والأمان التي تعطى للقبائل المهزومة ( يحتاج مزيد من الايضاحات) In the eighth century, SP CALLED Christianity was imposed in terms of peace and security given to the defeated tribes (ITS DARKNESS THAT NEED FURTHER EXPLANATIPN) وذلك العنف كان في فرنسا أيضا، فقد فرض الملك شارلمان النصرانية بحد السيف على السكسون ، و أباد الملك كنوت غير المسيحيين في الدانمارك ، و مثله فعل الملك أولاف (995م) في النرويج و جماعة من إخوان السيف في بروسيا. ' And that violence was also in France, for King Charlemagne imposed Christianity with the point of the sword on the Saxons, and King Knut annihilated non-Christians in Denmark, as did King Olaf (995 AD) in Norway and a group of the Sword Brothers in Prussia. . يقول المؤرخ بريفولت: إن عدد من قتلتهم المسيحية في انتشارها في أوربا يتراوح بين 7-15 مليوناً. و يلفت شلبي النظر إلى أن العدد هائل بالنسبة لعدد سكان أوربا حينذاك . Historian Breault says: The number of those killed by Christianity in its spread in Europe ranges between 7-15 million. Shalaby draws attention to the fact that the number is huge in relation to the population of Europe at the time ولما تعددت الفرق النصرانية استباحت كل من هذه الفرق الأخرى و ساموا أتباعها أشد العذاب ، فعندما رفض أقباط مصر قرار مجمع خليقدونية عذبهم الرومان في الكنائس And when the SP CALLED Christian sects multiplied, each of these other sects desecrated and subjugated their followers to the most severe punishment. When the Copts of Egypt rejected the decision of the Council of Chalcedon, the Romans tortured them in the churches و استمرت المعاناة سنين طويلة ، و أحرق أخ الأسقف الأكبر بنيامين حياً ثم رموه في البحر. فيما بقي الأسقف متوارياً لمدة سبع سنين ، و لم يظهر إلا بعد استيلاء المسلمين على مصر و رحيل الرومان عنها The suffering continued for many years, and the elder brother of the bishop Benjamin was burned alive and then thrown into the sea. While the bishop remained hidden for seven years, and did not appear until after the Muslims took over Egypt and the Romans left it. . ويقول غوستاف لوبون في كتابه " حضارة العرب " :" أكرهت مصر على انتحال النصرانية الرومانية، و لكنها هبطت بذلك إلى حضيض الانحطاط الذي لم ينتشلها منه سوى الفتح العربي " . Gustave Le Bon says in his book “The Civilization of the Arabs”: “Egypt was forced to impersonate Roman Christianity, but with that it fell to the bottom of decadence, from which only the Arab conquest lifted it.” وكتب ميخائيل بطريرك أنطاكية: " إن رب الانتقام استقدم من المناطق الجنوبية أبناء إسماعيل ، لينقذنا بواسطتهم من أيدي الرومانيين ، و إذ تكبدنا بعض الخسائر لأن الكنائس التي انتزعت منا و أعطيت لأنصار مجمع خليقدونية بقيت لهم، إلا أننا قد أصابنا القليل بتحررنا من قسوة الرومان و شرورهم ، و من غضبهم و حفيظتهم علينا. هذا من جهة ، و من جهة أخرى سادت الطمأنينة بيننا . Michael, Patriarch of Antioch wrote: “The Lord of vengeance brought the sons of Ishmael from the southern regions, to rescue us through them from the hands of the Romans, and since we suffered some losses because the churches that were taken away from us and given to the supporters of the Council of Chalcedon remained for them. On the one hand, and on the other hand, peace prevailed between us. وكان جستيان الأول (ت565) قد قتل من القبط في الإسكندرية وحدها مائتي ألف قبطي . Justin I (d. 565) had killed two hundred thousand Copts in Alexandria alone كما تعرض الموحدون النصارى للنفي و القتل في العصور مختلفة من تاريخ النصرانية فاضطهد آريوس و أتباعه و حرق سرفيتوس واستمر القتل والتنكيل حتى كاد أن يندثر الموحدون من النصرانية The Christian monotheists were also subjected to exile and murder in different ages of the history of SO CALLED Christianity, so Arius and his followers were persecuted and Servetus was burned, and the killing and abuse continued until the monotheists almost disappeared from Christianity I had enoigh ... I think this is enough EXPLANATION about darkness يكفيني شرح عن الظلام: سأتوقف الآن ارجوكم لا تحذفوا المقطع لاهميته وشكراF
@peeceei7470
@peeceei7470 2 года назад
Very interesting
@christophergame7977
@christophergame7977 5 месяцев назад
Horrible introductory 'music'.
@angrygirl7083
@angrygirl7083 2 года назад
People speaking of this loser Thomas Alexander as if this were some contest. It is NOT! We are in the business of DESTROYING ISLAM. If you want to learn something you should listen to Mel. EVERYTHING is researched and documented; if he gives his personal vision he says so. He is very serious and honest about this work. Listen also to Jay, Al Fadi and his guests.
@sanghakado
@sanghakado 2 года назад
Islam is by far the biggest lie of my life time.
@MHLitu
@MHLitu 2 года назад
Why president Trump. Minted his face printed coin?
@necmettinmutlu306
@necmettinmutlu306 2 года назад
Moses was the first to build the dome of the rock. They melted the copper they stole from Babylon and laid it on its dome. The forbidden mosque mentioned in the Quran is the dome of the rock
@daduzadude1547
@daduzadude1547 2 года назад
Moses was never in Israel or Babylon 🤣
@colvinator1611
@colvinator1611 2 года назад
Way back in cloud cuckoo land
@Billy_Mandalay
@Billy_Mandalay 2 года назад
Why stop there ? Maybe Moses built Wembley Stadium and started a new religion called soccer. 🙄
@Billy_Mandalay
@Billy_Mandalay 2 года назад
@@daduzadude1547 Muslims don't yet seem to realize that Makkah was NEVER the 𝘧𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘢𝘴𝘺 𝘤𝘪𝘵𝘺 they've been told by their teachers, where all the big name 𝘫𝘦𝘸𝘪𝘴𝘩 patriachs supposedly went to offer sacrifices to their GOD. In their fables, Makkah was the center of of the world, and they believed that without providing any historical or archaeological evidence for any of it.
@daduzadude1547
@daduzadude1547 2 года назад
@@Billy_Mandalay yup. Zero archeological evidence at all
@josephtucker9612
@josephtucker9612 2 года назад
Attacking the trinity does not mean attacking Jesus divinity. The trinity cult assumes God is like the gods of the pagans. Ancient Babylon started the trinities Nimrod, Tammuz, Simerimas and Shamash, Sin, Ishtar. Then the other pagan religions copied them. Egypt: Osiris, Horus, Isis Greece: Zeus, Apollo, Athena India: Brahama, Vishnu, Shiva Rome: Jupiter, Mars, Venus Then apostate Christians copied the pagans in the 4th century. Father, Son, holy spirit Did the Jews worship the wrong God for thousands of years and continue to do so? There was a controversy of circumcision in the first century but no controversy over a trinity. Why didn't Jesus explicitly teach it in the first century? At the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. it was decided by Constantine, a pagan king, that the father and son was of the same substance but the holy spirit was not included in the godhead until the Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. If the trinity was a first century teaching, why did it take more than 50 years after 325 A.D. to include the holy spirit? Doesn't this show the trinity took centuries to develop? Manuscripts have been corrupted since the trinity was developed. But not all manuscripts. Earlier manuscripts do not have trinity corruptions. These corruptions cause a lot of contradictions. One false doctrine leads to another. With these corruptions removed all the scriptures are harmonious and the truth is arrived at. Jesus being an angel and not a part of a trinity does not mean Jesus does not have the quality of divinity. Having a divine nature does not make Christ the Almighty God otherwise his followers would also be the Almighty God. 2 Peter 1:4 (ESV) by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. So attacking the trinity does not mean attacking Jesus divinity. When adopted as a son of God you become a brother of Jesus. Do you think the Almighty God has brothers in heaven? Romans 8:14-17 14 FOR ALL WHO ARE LED BY GOD’S SPIRIT ARE INDEED GOD’S SONS. 15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of ADOPTION AS SONS, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!” 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs-heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ-provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together Jesus is a son of God. The Father adopts sons that are also sons of God. The relation of these adopted sons of God to Jesus is brothers. Angels are called sons of God. Job 1:6 (KJV) Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Genesis 6:2 (CEB) The DIVINE BEINGS saw how beautiful these human women were, so they married the ones they chose. Genesis 6:2 (BBE) The SONS OF GOD saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took wives for themselves from those who were pleasing to them. Angels have the quality of divinity and are called sons of God. The Almighty God does not have brothers in heaven so Jesus can not be the Almighty God. Only the Father is the Almighty God. Jesus has the quality of divinity just like his brothers. Jesus was created by his Father and through Jesus God created all other things. This is why Jesus is called God's only-begotten Son. Jesus was the only one directly created by his Father. Begotten means born or created. Proverbs 8:22-31 (NIV): 22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; 23 I WAS FORMED long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. 24 When there were no watery depths, I WAS GIVEN BIRTH, when there were no springs overflowing with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I WAS GIVEN BIRTH, 26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 30 Then I was constantly at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, 31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. This is probably the scripture Tertullian (c. 160 to 230 C.E.) was thinking of when he wrote: “We should not suppose that there is any other being than God alone who is unbegotten and uncreated. . . . How can it be that anything, except the Father, should be older, and on this account indeed nobler, than the Son of God, the only-begotten and first-begotten Word? . . . That [God] which did not require a Maker to give it existence, will be much more elevated in rank than that [the Son] which had an author to bring it into being.” Trinitarians has since changed the wording from “FORMED” OR “GIVEN BIRTH” to “possessed” after Tertullian's day. See the Septuagint: ebible.org/pdf/eng-Brenton/eng-Brenton_PRO.pdf Also Septuagint Interlinear: ia904504.us.archive.org/31/items/InterlinearGreekEnglishSeptuagintOldTestamentPrint/Interlinear%20Greek-English%20Septuagint%20Old%20Testament%20-%20print.pdf Go to page 2203 look at verse 22 Notice too in Proverbs 8:22-31 the holy spirit is missing. Only 2 persons present during the worlds creation. This is because the holy spirit is not a person. It is sometimes personified just as the water and blood are personified along with the holy spirit in 1 John chapter 5. The KJV has a trinity corruption here so check the NIV. Trinitarians worship a created being (Jesus) and not the God of the bible. Only the Father is God. He has no equals.
@josephtucker9612
@josephtucker9612 2 года назад
@@irishheritage893 I got it wrong. It was not Zeus Apollo Athena it was Zeus Hera and Athena. I extracted this from wikipedia: The Delian chief triad of Leto (mother), Artemis (daughter) and Apollo (son) and second Delian triad of Athena, Zeus and Hera en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad_(religion) They don't have to be equal. They don't have to be 3 persons in 1 God. They can be a single being under 3 forms. A text from the Hindu bible says: O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.’ The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, ‘Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva are 3 forms in 1 person (modalism) with different roles. “The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.” This is the template the apostate Christians used in the 4th century for their trinity adapting the pagan idea of modalism to the bible by having 3 persons in 1 God with different roles instead of 1 person in 3 forms.
@krzysztofciuba271
@krzysztofciuba271 2 года назад
Don't be a fool: a typical Semite(who has a problem with Aristotle's causality-Isaiah 45:7,etc), a dumb Sunday preacher, a dumb Allah's@Quran or an atheistic fool on philosophy and Bible. The term Trinity rightly combines the dynamical action of one God as Father (originator), Son in the person of Jesus from Nazareth,and H.Spirit in the community of believers. Traditionally, it was explained only in metaphors (by St.Augustine, etc) but they did not know at that time the 20th cent. (divine) mathematical logic,esp. B.Russells' definition of description was widely used in all sciences (formal and natural, arts,etc) in AD 1910, in PM/Principia Mathematica. Probably only the St.Michaels's commando with messianic whips (J2:15) can teach this still dumb generation (as in Lk 7:32) the basics on Bible's hermeneutics and divine logic otherwise their fate is...a perfect Hell
@silvesan9162
@silvesan9162 2 года назад
More long drawn out "arguments" that prove nothing. Proverbs 8 is poetic and speaks about GOD's wisdom...a personification of wisdom. Actually read it instead of misconstruing it. 🙄
@asifbrettishmaelmakki9
@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 2 года назад
ROMANS 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.kjv The context in this verse,concerning "sons of God" refers to sons of Jesus rather than sons of God the Father. (Just an understanding 😉).
@krzysztofciuba271
@krzysztofciuba271 2 года назад
@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 Don't be silly like Allah@Quran
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