Mel#6: Was it Umar or Abd al-Malik who built the Dome?

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Mel continues this series by proving that the Dome of the Rock which we have today, was not the same Dome which is described by the many eye-witnesses who actually saw it over the years, including some as late as the 15th century, between 700 - 800 years after the time of Abd al-Malik, the purported builder of the Dome.
1100s AD: The 'Santo Sepelcro' in the city of Pisa, Italy, was built as a copy of the structure on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem (where the Dome sits today), yet the drum is octagonal, while today's Dome is circular, proving that it can't be the same Drum.
1200s (early) AD: Coins help us as we can see the image of the Dome of the Rock on them, and it has a conical shape (almost like a teepee) with a crescent moon displayed on its top.
1160s AD: A German priest, Johann from Wurzburg, Germany visited the dome and described it during the time the Crusaders controlled Jerusalem. He describes 4 doors with 36 windows on the octagonal drum. He also noted detailed inscriptions, which were not the same as today's inscriptions, and were possibly created by the Crusaders.
1163 AD: Baldwin III refers to the Dome, saying that it looks conical in shape and tall with a large crescent moon on the top, similar to the coins which were being minted at this time.
1170s AD: Theodericus, a German, who went to Jerusalem and refers to the Dome, notes identical inscriptions to those mentioned by Johann from Wurzburg 10 years earlier, which had content from the Gospels (i.e. God knocking at the believer's door from the book of Revelations), not the Qur'an. He also refers to Mosaics, but not the ones which are there today. The gates he mentions all have Jewish and Latin inscriptions above them, which are definitely like those which are there today.
1171 AD: Benjamin, a Jew from Tudela, visited the Dome and mentions that it was built by Umar, which contradicts the classical account. He also says nothing about any of the Qur'anic inscriptions.
1183 AD: Baldwin IV and Amalric I (1174 AD) both describe the Drum of the Dome as a conical, almost Teepee shape with a crescent moon on top.
1187 AD: Ali of Herat, a Muslim who would know Arabic mentions that the Dome was undergoing refurbishment at this time, and mentions that there are possible Qur'anic inscriptions, but only above the doors, which contradicts the present Qur'anic inscriptions above the out arcade. Could these be the beginnings of the Arabic inscriptions we are looking for?
12th c. AD (late): Imad ad-Din visits the Dome and refers to statues of people in the Gospels, including the Messiah's foot, as well as carved pigs and other animals. Could these have been put there by the Crusaders. Nonetheless, there are no Qur'anic inscriptions.
1260 AD: Az-Zahir Baibars, a Mamluk, and Muhammad ibn Kala'un (1318 AD) refer to more refurbishments to the Dome during these times.
1300s AD: Ibn Taymiyya is the first to mention that the Dome of the Rock was built by Abd-al-Malik, though he just calls it the 'Dome", yet this is over 600 years too late, while up to this time everyone has said it was built by Umar!
1355 AD: Ibn Batutah talks about the dome by says nothing about any Qur'anic inscriptions.
1420s AD: Hubert Van Eyck draws a picture of the Dome yet it has an 'Onion shape' and with many windows; so it's not rounded like it is today.
1448 AD: The Dome is destroyed by fire and repaired, yet are we to believe that this destruction had to impact on the Qur'anic inscriptions which are there now?
1453 AD: Yazicioglu writes about the Dome claiming it was built by Umar, contradicting Ibn Taymiyya.
1483 AD: Bernhard von Braydenbach also states that the Dome was 'onion shaped', supporting Hubert van Eyck, from 60 years earlier, though he mentions that it had an access hatch, and was octagonal, which is quite different from today's Dome and drum.
1483 AD: Felix Fabri says that the Dome was built by Umar, and refers to mosaics which have trees, and olive trees, as well as Cherubim inside the structure, which contradicts the mosaics which are in the Dome today.
15th c. AD: Mudschir ed-Din in describing the Dome says nothing about the Qur'anic inscriptions, while referring to mosaics which aren't there any more.
Mel concludes that this all proves that the Dome of the Rock went through quite a few refurbishments over the centuries, and from the descriptions of the eye-witness's accounts, up to and including the 15th century, which is almost 800 years after Abd al-Malik, the Dome they describe is not the same as the one we can see today in Jerusalem.
Nor is there an agreement concerning who built the Dome, with most stipulating it was built by Umar, and only Ibn Taymiyya stating it was Abd al-Malik
So, when was our Dome of the Rock actually built, and by whom? More yet to come!
© Pfander Centre for Apologetics - US, 2022
(65,060) Music: "Townsong" by Alexander Nakarada, from filmmusic-io

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@nemesis1291 2 года назад

The SIN is riddled with lies and deceptions, thanks for helping setting the record straight 🙏✝️

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

So, according to you and what you heard from those Evil missionaries, TEL US OR ARE YOU JUST ANOTHER IDIOT? 1) When was the Dome of the Rock built and by who? 2) What do you know about the Islamic Narrative? a - What is it and when was it told and practiced? b - When was it written down and why so late? c - What do Muslims believe about the Islamic narrative? d - Do they believe EVERYTHING? e - if not, how do they determine what to believe?

@nemesis1291 2 года назад

@@aaabrams1889 a lie will always be revealed, sooner or later the truth will win. The more Western academics get hold of your books the more your SIN will be exposed to be a lie, this is happening at a an alarming rate right now.

@chackochan12345 2 года назад

Its very surprising how the inscriptions will survive under Crusaders. It was turned into a Church under Agustinians. How they will allow such an inscription if it was turned as Church for worship👍.

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

The crusaders were dumb people.

@bosbanon3452 2 года назад

Maybe because they don't know Arabic , i think the Crusader created that writing but it seem like not

@chackochan12345 2 года назад

@@bosbanon3452 they rule a place for 100 years and they dont know the local language? What an assumption 😄. They are monks and they knew many languages including Arabic.

@redleaf4902 2 года назад

Morning, Lads. Got my coffee. Hitting 'play'.

@sgt.grinch3299 2 года назад

I suggest everything we see and hear from Islam has been altered and manipulated over the years. God bless Dr. Jay and our Historical Super Hero Mel.

@roukayajannah5111 2 года назад

At 6:32, the Seal … correction: On the left: the Templum Domini (Dome of the Rock) with a bulbous dome and a cross on the top On the middle: Tower of David On the right: the Holy Sepulcher with a conical dome and open vault. Source: The Architecture of the Christian Holy Land, chap. 6, p. 91

@drrepair 2 года назад

This is so exciting. Two things to mention. First: Our main focus for the origin of the current SIN should be the Ottoman era. That was the emerging or arising empire built on Islam and had a clear agenda to distinguish itself from Constantinople at the same time comparing itself to its architecture and ornament. Secondly: The "Dome of the Rock" would have been a pilgrimage site for the Proto-Muslims and moving the veneration of the founding rock to Mecca is probably the work of the Ottomans. The prominence of the Mecca myth is under their patronage.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

So exciting - like a kid in a candy store...😅 Tel me kid - what do you know about the Islamic Narrative? 1) What is it and when was it told and practiced? 2) When was it written down and why so late? 3) What do Muslims believe about the Islamic narrative? a - Do they believe EVERYTHING? b - if not, how do they determine what to believe?

@izmirlisezar59 2 года назад

I think Mecca was the invention of the Mamluks. When the Ottomans abolished the Mamluk state, they embraced their legacy. They took the caliphate from Egypt and brought it to Istanbul and further developed the Mecca myth thanks to their powerful empire.

@thetruthwithproof8802 2 года назад

✝ DEAR CHRISTIANS ➡ PLEASE ST0P IGNORING BIBLE VERSES 🙏🏻 🔲 Jesus said why Do you call me good ? ” No one is good except God alone ( Luke 18 : 19 ) ( Jesus proved he is not god by saying only God is Good ) 🔲 Bible says No one can see God ( 1 John 4:20 - John 5:37 ) ( This proves Jesus can't be God, because people have seen him ) 🔲 The bible makes it very clear God is not a man ( Numbers 23 : 19 ) ( How then can Jesus be God and human❓) 🔲 Fellow Israelites, listen to this :Jesus of Nazareth ➡a man ⬅ accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. ( Acts 2:22 ) ( Christians it does not say Jesus of Nazareth was ➡ a God ⬅ accredited by God ) 🔲 But about that Day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father ( Mark 13:32 ) ( The fact that Jesus does not know the future proves he is not God ) 🔲 For there is ➡One God ⬅ & there is one mediator between God & Men, the ➡ man ⬅ Christ Jesus, ( 1 Timothy 2:5 ) ( This proves Jesus is a man, not God ) 🔲 Jesus said, “Hear, O Israel the Lord our God is one. ( Mark 12 : 29 - 31 ) ( Jesus compared himself with the people by saying ➡ Our God ⬅ is one )

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@mysotiras 011 YOU 🙊agree with ANYTHING as long as it is against Islam.🙈

@ASHORSHEMAYA 2 года назад

@@aaabrams1889 Speaking of children and Muslims You wondered, do Muslims believe in everything "written in their history"? In fact, this is a good question, although the video or even the comment above did not discuss the issue of the faith of Muslims in general and what is mentioned in their books, but the important aspect here is that you now put all Muslims in the same basket in which you put yourself, and therefore you acknowledge the disparity of Islamic views and the disparity in The information available to “believer” Muslims, and here we return to square one, as it seems that you did not think before writing your comment. If Muslims do not all believe equally in all Islamic heritage, it is not right in the first place to establish yourself as a person who speaks and knows all Muslims as if you were the official spokesperson for All the muslims ..

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

Good job Mel. I'm convince, that the Dome of the Rock inscriptions are later invention

@canonjean-mignon4985 2 года назад

What isn't in religion? Everything is inventions, the alpha and the omega, all inventions, including Your profile picture, which doesn't mean Chi-Ro,because it's half greek and half latin, representing the tradition of inventing religions and conspiracies with the initials of C alpernius P iso, Chi-P.

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

@@canonjean-mignon4985 haha, sorry i'm not buying your bollsheet

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

@@canonjean-mignon4985 repent and convert to Catholicism. Stop your bollsheet conspiracy theory.

@endpc5166 2 года назад

Just like Mecca & Islam are later inventions. The greatest scam in history.

@ASHORSHEMAYA 2 года назад

Mel Mel Mel .. what a great video This new information seems more manageable because it largely relies not only on non-Islamic sources but also some of the history that has been "consciously ignored" from the course of Islamic history, of course, that does not mean that it is better than your previous work, but simply appears to be the common grounds ( Judeo-Christian-Islamic history) they all seem to work together more firmly Like your saying “your quote”: Ibn Taymiyyah (14th century) is the oldest available source so far. He mentions that this building was built by Abd al-Malik and not Umar as people think (I have to search and verify, of course, how accurate this information is, because if it is true, it is a very point in The importance to me is probably equivalent to what was said in this video. Or when you said “your quotation” about what the Ottoman mystic Sheikh “Ahmed Yazicioglu” said.., who seemsto me to be trying now to make Ibn Taymiyya’s words logical and acceptable gradually.

@Zebred2001 2 года назад

Great stuff! I'm going to say it again though. All of these new revelations really need to be published step-by step in book form so it can be better absorbed.

@pfanderfilms 2 года назад

Give us time. These are merely 'Green papers', where we put together what we know so far. Once we are confident that we have the scenario correct, and we know exactly what happened, then we will publish it in a book format.

@parashantadna1624 2 года назад

As usual Mel & Jay u both r doing great 👍 👌 👏 kudos..

@troylabrie 2 года назад

The cone shape looks very much like the cone on the tomb of Daniel in Susa, Iran. Have you considered that?

@chackochan12345 2 года назад

Mosque of Umar is a Mosque in the compound of Church of Holy Sepulchre. Its common even today the holy places of Christianity is shared between various Church sects in Jerusalem. The mosque of Umar may have been a Christian group under Umar occupying a portion of Sepulchre church for themself while leaving the Greek church with the core area.

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

There was no church on the mountain.

@john318john 2 года назад

@@alonzoharris6730 I figured its a matter of time before you start trolling.😂 I hope your life is full of joy in Jesus name.

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

@@john318john Can you prove there was a church?

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@@john318john WHAT? In Jesus' name? That will not benefit you as Jesus himself is going to CHASE YOU AWAY like a dog on Judgment Day...even if you were a good Xtian...😅🤣😂...read Mathw 7:21-23

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

@@aaabrams1889 Muslim is so desperate to convince Christian, to follow Meccan Cult, worshiping Meccan stone. Sorry, we are not pagan.

@bobfisher1909 2 года назад

I like the bit about the images like olive trees sounds like the verses of the sin where this prophet lived, the onion dome looks Asian to me.

@davidmcintosh3468 2 года назад

Mighty morphing dome (temple?) of the rock! I wonder if it got a new make over every time a new king wanted to reform .... history! God bless you all!

@here_we_go_again2571 9 месяцев назад

There were also earthquakes as well as changes of rulers

@roukayajannah5111 2 года назад

At 11:00 Mel says ‘’the 20 meters inscription’’ Which inscription? 20 meters is the diameter of the Dome. All say 240 meters inscription (inscription band running around the outer and inner faces of the octagonal arcade) Christel Kessler says 240 m Oleg Grabar says 240 m Dr. Elizabeth Macaulay-Lewis says 240 m and others ...

@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад

My bad, I should have 240 metre.

@aevumcorvi2108 2 года назад

As it is with the last post, damages can be restored, repaired, or improved with masonry. Even when burnt, it can be cleaned. The dating, usage, and sourcing of the Arabic inscriptions since Joe's video will be very helpful here. There are a lot of missed items as pointed by others, really waiting on the commentary of other researchers starting with Thomas.

@DG-sn2js 2 года назад

And so at what time were Mohammed and the Shahada inscribed into the walls of the mosque? If at a later date as Mel suggested then Mohammed never ascended into heaven(s) or even spoke to Moses!

@nihilonisicruce6843 2 года назад

Question for Mel: In a previous video of yours, you mentioned a large statue of the "wicked Mohammad" that the Crusaders found in the Dome. How does that tie into this narrative?

@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад

Presuming that source is an honest report (and there are arguments for and against it, and all I can do is report on it), it would increase the unlikeihood that an inscription had it existed would be preserved by the Crusaders. The crusaders tolerated the re-production of Arabic motifs and messages on their coins for some time, which was certainly a compromise dictated by the need for coinage that the wider population would use.

@bobfisher1909 2 года назад

The Knights Templar were dismantled in the Rolls of the Catholic Church in 1309. Following the suppression of the Order, a number of Knights Templar joined the newly established Order of Christ, which effectively reabsorbed the Knights Templar and its properties in AD 1319, especially in Portugal. 200 years Prior to this the Templar's had their headquarters on the temple mount which proves Islam was not the owners at this stage of the temple mount, both would of clashed, did you know this new group Order of Christ temple in Portugal has above the door on the left the crescent moon and to the right the cross that the Templar's used. I wounder this is the split off into Islam. They meaning the Templar's buried treasure on Oak Island maybe they might find more in the coming years even the holy grail!!

@chrishoff402 2 года назад

No wonder the Islamic prohibition on artworks, they need to conceal the evidence.

@markaxworthy2508 2 года назад

Do we know if Johan could read Arabic, or even if he entered the building?

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

Johan was there during the time of King Baldwin III, Catholic king who rule Jerusalem from 1143 to 1163 AD. Of course he can enter the building, because Jerusalem is under Catholic rule at that time, after the success of the First Crusaders. Did people need to know Arabic to understand the incriptions? Did people need to know Indonesian language if they want to understand Javan Inscriptions? Of course not, they can just hire or ask the local people there. There is many local people who can speak European at Jerusalem at that time, because it was a common culture for European Catholic to go a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, so there must be many of local people who can sepak European, just like in Indonesia, there is many people can speak English, German, Hebrew, Dutch, etc, here, all because of tourism industry.

@theelizabethan1 2 года назад

Just an FYI: That from-the-top view diagram is a hexagon, not an octagon....

@sishrac 2 года назад

Compelling!

@midimusicforever Год назад

Mel is awesome!

@rahimbinselamat3233 2 года назад

Very interesting!

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

Sheikh Boyardee says that LENNY THE JEW built the Dome of the Rock...😅🤣😂

@salancy3279 2 года назад

💐✝️💐🙏❤️👍

@MHLitu 2 года назад

Stay with peace and Truth. Perfect Believer's will be winner.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 2 года назад

Hi Mel. When Paul Ellis says ,mount Moriah is Marwa in the Qur'an,could Marwa in the Qur'an ,b referring to the "Rock of Moriah" which is the rock under the Dome.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 2 года назад

Mount Marwa at Makkah,may be a copy of rock of Moriah that's under the Dome. also the tiling around the Dome of the rock,they look to modern and not of high standard. The dome of the Rock is called "kipat Hasela"and is the holiest spot in judasium,so what are the islamic lot doing,being in control of it?

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 GET YOURSELF EDUCATE as you always get your panties in a twist...😅🤣😂

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 2 года назад

@@aaabrams1889 .🤭 R u one of them fake Muslims🤫? Yeh i got educated few days ago,that the Rock of Moriah is actually a reference to the Rock under the Dome. And Paul Ellis says that Moriah = Marwan 🤣. That khalif Marwan may have honoured that Rock under the Dome. The Rock at Saudi Makkah is like modelled on the Rock from under the Dome,but a bit bigger 👂😉. NB.AA AB ,check our Saudi boy out,Abdul Malik fareed (utuber). The place where Ibraheem alysalam was to sacrifice Ishmael alysalam,it claimed to be a Jooti(false) site😕. We don't need no education - Pink Floyd 🎶

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 2 года назад

AA ABRAM 👅👈.it looks like ur comment got blocked 🤣

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 It's still there...why are you people making up your own stories? Do you know how stupid you come across?🙈🙉🙊

@georgejackson5951 2 года назад

Is the koran about the life of christ. Or what happened after his resurrection?

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

Precisely! Jesus and Mohammad (saw) is 600 yrs apart.

@TAlexander 2 года назад

Regarding the coins/seals: You’ve got your buildings backwards. The Dome of the Rock is the one with the circular roof, the other one is the Holy Sepulchre, and it’s not a crescent moon up top but the opening in the dome. I think AJ knows this, but the way he described it is easily misleading. I did sit in front of those sentences before and pondered about what he wants to say and if he got this one embarrassingly wrong. In the end, I concluded he understands the truth but phrased it weirdly, so I moved on. I did however search for the John of Brienne seal with the crescent moon, but couldn’t find it. Not sure it exists or if AJ was imagining things. Note that the text says that this seal is not depicted but the Baldwin II seal.

@canonjean-mignon4985 2 года назад

Little hint: the crescent moon and star is a manichean symbol. It represents the cycle of knowledge originating from the twin of the sun, sirius and released unto earth when the moon is filled with light. PS: the moon is not antitrinitarian.

@TAlexander 2 года назад

@@canonjean-mignon4985 The moon and the evening star were also the symbols of al-Lat and al-Uzza. And it was used by the Zoroastrians. Either way, they're certainly not particularly original as far as religious symbols go. Celestial objects generally point towards pagan origins. It's a hallmark of paganism to associate them with the gods. In a sense that's also what the Gnostics did of which the Manichaeans are a sub group of sorts.

@canonjean-mignon4985 2 года назад

@@TAlexander Manicheanism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism and Esoterism are connected in the sense that they are dualistic teachings, as all religions existed along with science and arts within one institutional body. Therefore, trinitarian and unitarian doctrines are subsequent improvements, typically associated with fertility cults involving dying and rising gods or a so-called cry in the wilderness in connection with an infinite living god. After all, these are superficial categories, since paganism from an anthropological perspective is not characterized by the inclusion of celestial objects or idolatry - these are nonreligious astrological trajectories - paganism is foremost identified with practices such as ritual cannibalism, which is a form of the eucharist or a substitutionary human sacrifice, which is also a form of a vicarious atonement. If You want to avoid invalid conclusions regarding theological comparisons, I suggest You handle each topic within its original context. For example, if the lord's prayer and the fatiha are identical, which they are, You are still wrong to equate polytheism or rather henotheism with monotheism.

@roukayajannah5111 2 года назад

I agree .. Dome of the Rock = circular roof, Holy Sepulchre = opening in the dome.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@@TAlexander The Moon and Star symbol have different meanings for different cultures. In Islam, it was an innovation by the Ottoman Turks as Mohammad (saw) and the Arab Caliphs did not have a Islamic Symbol. The Ottomans use it as their national symbol and flag and because the ruled the known world for centuries and became Islam's Caliph, they used their symbol. FOR MUSLIMS it represents the Islamic Lunar Calendar and the Star, the sun represents the time of the 5 x a day daily Salats as the sun moves.

@jaydee6414 2 года назад

Sorry, I hate to do this but I think you're coming to the wrong conclusion regarding the Crusader seals. The seals aren't a depiction of Jerusalem as a whole with the Dome of the Rock, then David's Tower, & finally the Holy Sepulchre. I believe - with evidence to back it up - that they represent the Church of the Holy Sepulchre & only that. The church once had a truncated "dome" over the aedicule which was open at the top (represented by where you believe you can see a crescent shape). I believe this was destroyed by a fire in 1808 & it wasn't until 1868 when the present dome was built in its place. There are models from the 17th century that when looked at from a southern perspective shows you the truncated dome, then the bell tower (which was once two floors taller), & finally the smaller cross-topped dome which covers the centre of the church all in a row, just as the seals show. I knew the Holy Sepulchre once had this truncated dome as I'd come across it while researching the church online several years ago & it was this that had my antenna going up when I saw the seals you were citing as proof. The models can be viewed on this website. I think you'll see what I mean as soon as you lay eyes on them. Again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but this info doesn't necessarily mean the changing Dome of the Rock theory is wrong, just that the seals aren't evidence of it. www.bearersofthecross.org.uk/interpretieng-the-collections/models-of-the-holy-sepulchre/

@sgt.grinch3299 2 года назад

Bottom line: Fraud! Thanks Gentlemen.

@paladin5163 2 года назад

Come on muslims explain this to us.

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

Muslims don't have to explain anything. These clowns first have to explain their methodology and criteria for history.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

JAY AND MELL - THE LIARS AND DECEIVERS They stated: " 1355 AD: Ibn Batutah talks about the dome by says nothing about any Qur'anic inscriptions. THIS IS WHAT IBN BATUTA SAID: ""This is one of the most marvelous of buildings, of the most perfect in architecture and strangest in shape ... it has a plentiful share of loveliness ... and rare beauty... The greater part of this decoration is surfaced with gold, so that it glows like a mass of light and flashes with the gleam of lightning... In the center of the Dome is the blessed Rock ...for the Prophet (God bless him and give him peace) ascended from it to heaven. It is a solid piece of rock, projecting about a man's height, and underneath it there is a cave... with steps leading down to it..." [Gibb, vol. I, p. 79.]

@paladin5163 2 года назад

@@alonzoharris6730 That's the problem with islam, they never prove anything, just call everyone liars

@markaxworthy2508 2 года назад

Is there not an internal contradiction here? The earlier the inscriptions, the easier it is to suggest that they refer to Jesus because it may be argued that Islam had yet to emerge from the general anti-Trinitarian pool. However, the later the inscriptions are, it is less convincing that they refer to Jesus, because Islam became increasingly consolidated through time.

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

You should stop using antitriniterian. They are uniterians and anti polytheism. Can I call Triniterians as Anti Uniterians? The words you use to frame groups proves you have a religious motivation.

@markaxworthy2508 2 года назад

@@alonzoharris6730 Nope. I have no religious motivation at all. You need to look at the rest of Pfander's output to see why I use the term "Anti-Triniterian" in this context.

@kevinjkelliher 2 года назад

a question for jay smith. Listening to what you are saying there is a puzzling fact that I would like you to talk about. How come there are descendants of Mohammed, what is going on there?

@karenthompson1337 2 года назад

There are no descendants of Mohammad the mythical man, only leaders who claimed lineage to elevate their status.

@kevinjkelliher 2 года назад

@@karenthompson1337 what do we know about the tomb of mohammad then? What is its history?

@samuelflores1419 2 года назад

The Holes in SIN keep getting Bigger and Bigger! That's what happens when your House is Built on Sand!

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

The Standard Christian Narrative has big holes. It's build on sand.

@commentfreely5443 2 года назад

@@alonzoharris6730 34 mins showing the continuing hole is the islamic lie. vs. some idiot who copy pasted a reply and replaced one word. quran says allah preserved the Bible in Mohammad's time. so if there's any holes blame allah or the pedophile guy.

@WhoFarts112 2 года назад

You need to argue against uthman abu farooq man, without a single doubt in my head you would completely and utterly decimate him, watch as he fumbles around trying to lie even further. Please if you ever get the chance put him down. Christ is our lord and savior ♥

@azedinebenammar4339 2 года назад

Jay, because i like you and consider you a friend who erred, i recommand you to watch a video of two British guys ( I'm sure you know them), Professor Joel Hayward as a guest of Paul Williams in Blogging Theology. This video is titled " Questions about Prophet Muhammad".

@divyachacko3449 2 года назад

I can see a cross on top

@marutanray 2 года назад

The background music is distracting

@yakovmatityahu 2 года назад

It Sounds like something to do with Irish...

@gordonbarranger7683 2 года назад

@@yakovmatityahu Mel is Irish afterall.

@yakovmatityahu 2 года назад

@@gordonbarranger7683 yes

@gordonbarranger7683 2 года назад

@@yakovmatityahu This ,im afraid is going to sound clumsy,but what do think of these videos?y

@yinkadavies8403 2 года назад

.......because they were never domes!

@sk815 2 года назад

Fallacy of Absence. (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).

@rorynicholson3295 2 года назад

It seems that there's not much about Islam that isn't fraudulent.

@sheikhboyardee556 2 года назад

The dome was build by Lenny, a local Jew. Taken over by the Muslims.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

😅🤣😂

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

Lenny the Jew?

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

😅🤣😂

@MollyPitcher1778 2 года назад

I find it highly offensive that yet again, Islam claims & dominates something that so obviously does not belong to it. This is the place of David & Solomon's temple IN the city of YHWH, with the dome situated in the place of the Holy of Holies, where the Ark of the Covenant sat. The Covenant that is not honored in that newer religion. Some of the people would be ashamed if they knew the truth of this place.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

If you happen to know your history, you will see that Christendom made the Temple Mount into a RUBBISH DUMP when the Xtian Byzantines ruled. They even used the Holy Mount where Mount Moria is to dump their shit. They also did not want the Jews to erect their Temple there.... And if the Muslims did not liberate Jerusalem and cleared the Temple Mount and gave honor to the Foundation Stone by erecting a Dome over it, it would have ben lost. YES David was a Muslim and Solomon was a Muslim and Jesus was a Muslim as to be a MUSLIM is a person who SUBMITS TO HIS CREATOR, as they all Submitted. Even the Jews teach this at their Universities. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tw2UbF01BSw.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GJLtu9qpuC4.html

@daviesp2003 Год назад

If you knew something of Islamic art history like Oleg Grabar classic study you would understand a little instead of your wild allegations

@simonskinner1450 2 года назад

So-called 'Christianity' has changed from Apostolic times and myths exist like grace is unmerited. Abraham is the father of the believer and his seed have only one religion. I have a series of Ytube videos 'Myths in so-called Christianity' based on misreading of Paul. The site is in my full name 'Simon John Skinner'.

@emilelondon 2 года назад

The Crusades are still alive ! I have seen well over 100 hours of SJN (Standard Jay's Narrative) . It changes all the time. What is shocking to me is someone nourishes hatred for over 25 years as per the videos where Jay says that he hates muslims. The whole narrative is Bizarre !

@IslamicOrigins 2 года назад

Ironically, you don't understand what the word "standard" actually means. 🤣😂😅

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

Are Mel and Jay modern crusaders? Their Standard Narrative CHANGES ALL THE TIME.😅🤣😂😜🤪😝

@sheikhboyardee556 2 года назад

You will have a tough time denying all the evidence against Islam. The evidence is massive & compounding over time. Islam is just a made up religion that copied other religions.

@emilelondon 2 года назад

@@IslamicOrigins I actually do Mel, it is the point I am making.. His Narrative is always changing. let think... How about Ibn abi qabisha being Mohammed..there's more of it.

@emilelondon 2 года назад

@@aaabrams1889 Far from it! hate preaching then very possible. I have seen well over 100 hours of Jay's material alone some of which I have reviewed several times. Crusades History is my speciality. the subject matter in this day and age is interesting, as an example some people want to canonise Raynaud de Chatillion. They are entitled to their opinion and the internet is giving them a platform for it.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

JAY AND MELL - STOP YOUR LIES!!! You stated: " 1355 AD: Ibn Batutah talks about the dome by says nothing about any Qur'anic inscriptions. THIS IS WHAT IBN BATUTA SAID: ""This is one of the most marvelous of buildings, of the most perfect in architecture and strangest in shape ... it has a plentiful share of loveliness ... and rare beauty... The greater part of this decoration is surfaced with gold, so that it glows like a mass of light and flashes with the gleam of lightning... In the center of the Dome is the blessed Rock ...for the Prophet (God bless him and give him peace) ascended from it to heaven. It is a solid piece of rock, projecting about a man's height, and underneath it there is a cave... with steps leading down to it..." [Gibb, vol. I, p. 79.]

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

Who is the prophet that Ibn Battuta refering to? Moses? Isa? Elijah? Because there is nothing in the Quran said, Muhammad ascended to heaven, only Isa. Muhammad is mythical and legend, no enough evidences, historically speaking, to confirm his existence. Imad ad-din visited Dome of the Rock in 12th century and mentioned of the foot print of the Messiah. So what Ibn Battutah write about "the prophet ascended to heaven" is refering to Isa, the Quranic version of Jesus; its clearly not refering to the mythical Muhammad. Isa is the Messiah, according to your own Quran, and not Muhammad. So to foot print in the Dome of the Rock is clearly refering to prophet Isa, the Messiah version of the Quran.

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

It think you better repent and convert to Christianity, or you will be burned in hell with your lies.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@@borneandayak6725 Isra and Mi'raj The night Allah took Mohammad (saw)) on a journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and then to heaven on a heavenly steed, the Buraq. Glory to Him who made His servant travel by night from the sacred place of worship to the furthest place of worship, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him some of Our signs. He alone is the All Hearing, the All Seeing.(Quran 17:1) Remember when We said to you that your Lord encompasses mankind in His knowledge. Nor did We make the vision We showed you except as a test to people, as also the accursed tree in the Quran. (Quran 17:60) A second time he saw him , By the lote-tree which none may pass near the Garden of Restfulness when the tree was covered in nameless (splendour). His sight never wavered, nor was it too bold. and he saw some of the greatest signs of his Lord. (Quran 53:13-18) A hadith reports Muhammad's (saw) account of the experience: "Then Gabriel brought a horse (Burraq) to me, which resembled lightning in swiftness and lustre, was of clear white colour, medium in size, smaller than a mule and taller than a (donkey), quick in movement that it put its feet on the farthest limit of the sight. He made me ride it and carried me to Jerusalem. He tethered the Burraq to the ring of that Temple to which all the Prophets in Jerusalem used to tether their beasts..."

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

@@aaabrams1889 all the verses you quote from the Quran tell nothing about the mythical figure of Muhammad, who ascend to heaven in Jerusalem. There is no mention Muhammad or Dome of the Rock or Jerusalem in Surah 17:1. It was the later narrative, created by the Abbasid, who create the story of guy name Muhammad who fly to heaven in order to give a narrattive and context to the unclear verse Surah 17:1. As we know, none of the writers of the Sirah and Hadith are eyewitnesses; they live 200-300 years after the Quran. They just wrote through their own imagination how prophet Muhammad fly to heaven using the Buraq. The similarties between the story of Muhammad flying to heaven with the story of Enoch go to heaven, make many scholars believe, that Ibn Hisham and Bukhari create the story of Muhammad fly to heaven, using Enoch story.

@borneandayak6725 2 года назад

@@aaabrams1889 I think, Prophet Muhammad according to Sirah and Hadith are mythical and not historical. If you read the Quran, purely without reinterpretation, there is only 4 word Muhammad in it. The Abbasid try to reinterpret the Quran by creating the Sirah, Hadith and Tafsir in order to mislead the reader, that Quran is talking about Prophet Muhammad. If you read the 4 verses mention "mhmt" (Muhammad), all the 4 verses are just a title, and its a title for Isa. Its really clear that, Muhammad originally a Messianic title for Jesus. We can see it in Arab-Byzantine coinage, there is the word "mhmt", and cross behind it. Its clear the Syro-Aramaic and Arab Christian in 7th century use that particular root word "mhmt" (Muhammad) as a Messianic title for Jesus. I think, the later Abbasid version of Muhammad is myth and legend. He was created by the Abbasid as the a new figure to unite the kingdom and to give the new religion a prophet to begin with, in on order for the Abbasid to counter the Byzantine narrarive and religious figure, Jesus Christ.

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

Mel and Jay believe in three gods.

@commentfreely5443 2 года назад

death religion says what

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@@commentfreely5443 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k1jo3PmKHhU.html

@alonzoharris6730 2 года назад

@@commentfreely5443 You mean numbers 31:17?

@zacharybeauford2244 2 года назад

That’s called a straw man. You clearly don’t understand the doctrine of the trinity.

@aaabrams1889 2 года назад

@@zacharybeauford2244 Nor do any xtian!!!

@JackOpulski 2 года назад

About that Van Eyck's painting, I don't think this constitutes a proper historical document. Painters didn't work from photographs back then and rarely from eyesight. They had to fill in a lot of details from what descriptions/prior illustrations they could find for reference. Pictures of wild Asian animals look nothing like the actual animals.