Melee Combat in Warhammer 40K EXPLAINED - How to Play 40K 10th Part 7: Fight Phase 

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@@clankychiefjohnful oh no…is this it? Is this how the GSC starts??? I should call a certain number in the Himalayans.

Amen! May his dice rolls be forever sixes and his charge rolls be ever successful.

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It really seems like melee damage output got toned down way more than shooting.

Overwatch is a pretty good strat. But honestly, from the perspective of my space marines at least? It feels like a lot of my melee units got massively toned down. Like my Ravenwing Black Knights got absolutely gimped, bladeguard don't feel that special, and the melee options for firstborn got gutted. This is before we take into account stuff like the points difference between Tyranid Warrior variants, where an objectively worse unit costs more pts than the ranged one for some reason.

Sounds like a good one tbh, will try and get one made on that! Feel free to let me know any other insights (if good I'll try and add to the video :) )

From my experience today the melee unit just struggles when they're trying to get to the ranged units. Once they get into combat they decimate. I had 20 orc boys waaagh charge me with a blistering number of attacks doing 16 wounds almost wiping out my unit. On the flip side just 5 barbgaunts killed 16 of the 20 boys because of getting blast +4 so they had 20 hits from blast alone and still get d6 each. So I would say the key to melee melee army's is maneuvering from line-of-sight blocking terrain when possible and for when you can't have line-of-sight blocked make sure you have something that gives that unit they feel no pain and if possible and invulnerable save for double peace of mind. Tyranids can get this from having them within 6 inches of a psychophage and a zoanthrope very powerful combo

I think there's a lot of things adding up for this. Movement is very restricted. Melee units as mentioned in this video can lose their ability to swing or even consolidate if they are engaged two into one. Losing a turn of swings and the protection of being engaged so you can't be shot can be a really big deal even it doesn't happen all that often. Basically if you roll really well it might actually ultimately be worse for you. So you have both the situation of rolling low OR high effectively being bad outcomes for you. Some of it has to do with the meta as well. You can't tie up vehicles completely now and the meta is vehicle heavy atm. Vehicles often have enough movement to kite melee units regardless as well. GSC are ideally killed at long range, if you are melee you will trade with them and that's bad considering their respawning. Necrons can take losses so bad they are out of consolidate range, have the unit come back to nearly full strength away from you and then shoot you. Knights aren't afraid of melee and Aeldari kite and immobilize with spinners. There's a lot of units across the index that reduce or prevent enemy movement and most of them are popular, biovores, barbs, spinners, etc. Desperate escape isn't that penalizing and doesn't seem to come up that often. If it's an expensive single unit you can command reroll it and you are more likely than not going to be fine even without the reroll. If it's infantry losing a third isn't that big of a deal if you are more likely to be wiped in combat anyway. Again, that's if desperate escape even applies...

Every time a unit is selected to fight it gets to pile in before it fights regardless of who's turn it is.

This!!

I believe that if they both have fights first it is just whoever’s turn isn’t going on

@@Kaptain_Gutrippa yea it was wierd. i won since i used Berserkers with a Master of executions... he forgot Blood surge was a thing

The same as with charge, it just gives unit the fight first this fight phase, so when both units have fight first (because of charge or abilities) order is the same as without charge, first chooses the player who is not turn is, so this why fight first ability is so powerful when someone charged you, because if someone charged you, you fights first because it's not your turn. Also if you charged with unit which already has fight first ability, it doesn't give it any additional bonuses, it anyway has fight first from charge You also can think about the situation when two of your units would charge (doesn't matter with the fight first ability or without, it doesn't give any advantages in this situation), and units which have been charged have fight first, your opponent chooses who fights first (it's not your turn), but when one of their units have fought, it's you turn to choose, and it always makes senses to choose another of your units, to hit another opponent's unit wich doesn't fight yet

@@Kaptain_Gutrippa In the book, there is a Sequencing rule near the start that says the Player whose turn it is chooses the order of operation if two rules are happen simultaneously. The charging Player could decide to go first in this example. Fight first would apply more for Ongoing fighters since it would ensure that the unit always gets a hit in before their opponent. at least that's how I understood it.

I'm interested to hear the answer to this as in 9th you had to declare both units for the charge. Also, if a unit without "fights first" charges a unit with "fights first" does the charging unit still get priority?

@@BillWD to answer your second question, no. Charging gives the rule 'fights first' itself which is why it would normally get priority, but when both units have fights first they cancel each other out, so it just goes to the player who's turn it isn't, as your opponent gets to pick a unit to fight before you do (and of course if your charging that means its not your turn)

Yes, because you've moved into another portion of the Fight Phase after all "Fights First" and charging units have fought. Yes, assuming the unit that was consolidated into is now eligible to fight and the fight phase does not end until all eligible units have fought.

until the charging players turn ends. meaning as soon as the other players next turn starts that unit loses fights first.

I don't believe so. The 2CP Counter Offensive interrupts the turn order, then the turn order continues to alternate from the interrupt so it's the turn of the player who did not interrupt next.

Yes, because if you both have Fight First or neither have Fight First then it's the person who's turn it ISN'T that Fights First!

One does not simply fight The Lion.

Your wounds don’t carry across models unless the data sheet says otherwise, so for example, if one attack is strong enough to kill three opposing models (say it’s damage 6) it’d still only kill one model because it’s only one attack

In addition, what happens if both units have fights first?

@@DJROCKSTAZ In that case fight first should be ignored and we follow the normal sequence.

@@tomo_schmidt thanks!

Since an attached character counts as part of the unit, the defender chooses where to allocate attacks, unless an attacker's model has the [Precision] keyword, in which case the attacker chooses where to allocate that model's attack. Positioning plays no part unless the character's positioning would give Benefit of Cover against a shooting attack. Hope this helps

as far as I know, if a unit get charged has fight first, that unit will fight first even charging unit has fight first ability and charging this turn. @@tomo_schmidt

OK

Yep, every time you fight regardless of who's turn it is.

@@effindave6909 ok cool. Thanks for the clarification.

The character is part of the unit and fights with them (one activation).

"While a Bodyguard unit contains a Leader, it is known as an Attached unit and, with the exception of rules that are triggered when units are destroyed (pg 12), it is treated as a single unit for all rules purposes." Core rules page 39

page 32

I have the same question, as far as i undestud it was the Player's who's turn it is that chooses who goes first due to the sequencing rule. also i thought that the Charging units always go first and then any remaining fight first units go after that, then Ongoing fights.

@matiasdiaz8913 can you specify which para? Pg 32 goes over eligibility to fight, no unit can fight more than once in the phase, fight first (eligible units w/ keyword, and charge bonus) and remaining combats but I don't think the page covers my question

@@tomadori5477 the first paragraph, you can read "In both steps of the Fight phase, players alternate selecting eligible units from their army, one at a time, starting with the player whose turn is not taking place" step one meaning units with the fight first ability and the second with units who don't have it

@@matiasdiaz8913 Ah I see! I completely overlooked that paragraph for some reason. Thanks!

yes, either it have to be in ER or to an objective.

@@BIFInvaider ok thanks! Wasn’t sure if you could consolidate into CC with a new unit, but sounds like you can (with caveats)

2 months?

@@ohwnosrepeht You think they will change core rules regarding melee and towering in 2 months?

Only if their unit has fights first does this happen. If you charge you receive fights first and your guys attack first.

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No he doesn't. His voice and pacing has the opposite effect than what you're implying.