MELEE IS BROKEN (Reaction) 

The man himself!

DUDE HEEEW NO WAY ITS YOU! Sad that you can't make a Smash Remix is broken or Project+ is broken, I would have loved a video like that from the real man. Seeing you cover Sonic in Smash Remix would be amazing.

Thankies for giving us laughs too.

didn't expect you to reply

These videos are great dude, I've rewatched them many times and I don't do that unless I really enjoy something

Were just used to it. If i had my forward smash send you up and back so it doesnt kill in ultimate, i would be mad. In melee, it would be like “yeah sounds about right”. I love this game

its because if it wasnt for the "bad broken", we wouldn't have the "good broken", like l-canceling and wavedashing. And melee is like perfect the way it is, is impossible to explain if you are not a melee player but like for real.

@@joaofelipesiqueira21 I think the best way to describe Melee is that it’s “perfectly” broken. Its unbalanced in an entertaining and interesting, in depth way, not in a “This game is unfinished and not fun way”.

I accept it too as I’m biased towards Melee and Brawl 2nd.

Yeah

More like: Non-Melee players: Melee is unfinished broken mess Melee players: we know, and we love it

"Melee is sick". -Some dude probably.

@@GazerPlur420 "wow, Mango suicide dair'd Leffen again on their last stock for the 20th time? This game is so fuckin sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkk" -says the Falcon main

@@wolfdragox5563 Either that or they call you a casual who should stick to ult, there's almost no inbetween

Melee: Super unfinished and has a lot of glitches. Also Melee: *Best selling Gamecube game*

Thats a new sentence

to summarize: melee measures everything in 'units', and when a hit and hurtbox overlap by one 'unit' it's a phantom it might be a percentage of a unit and not a unit outright tho

@@swordsmancs 0.01 units iirc?

Oh yeah cuz pixels in a 3D game as a unit of measurement makes no sense

yeah, its because something being dysfunctional doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable like i dont care that people don't like melee, but acting like its terrible just because it has flaws, ignoring all the good points is just completely ignorant. some people really just cannot stand a game being interesting, and then they discover some busted dumb crap in their favorite game that doesn't add much depth at all, and its suddenly super funny and a testament to how perfect their game is. if you start to look past somethings imperfections to realize its overarching positive points, then that's pretty nice

@@honk1419 yeah I was one of those people but than I played nasb And than I enjoyed it and now I might try slippi out soon even if I don’t like tap jump

The super busted engine is what makes it super fun

@@shaan__real even with a busted engine, melee wouldn't be as fun without some of its busted high-tiered characters to go along with it. Nothing is more fun than playing against broken shit *with* broken shit. You literally only need a grab as Icies to implement wobbling to take a stock via infinite. That shit is broken, and NOT fun. but so many other characters have their own, arguably *better*, broken shit than an actual _infinite_ though. If the only characters in melee were its mediocre characters, this game would've died a VERY long time ago. (Un)fortunately we live in a timeline where NTSC melee v1.02 included characters like Fox Falco or Marth just as, 'how they are', instead

@@VictimHazard yes broken games are cooler than more balanced games because you will go up against some rushdown mixup character with high damage and safe moves to boot as some slow and defenseless bottom tier and win because of the mechanics you used against them It always feels satisfying

Read this right as the section started

It’s annoying when the Meteor Cancel happens but at the same time it’s a hilarious wtf moment for me personally. Wish they brought it back.

If they brought that into ult, it would be a functionally worse stage spike since they can recover for free. The power of modern recoveries makes it so all edgeguards are already hard-fought

@@tumultoustortellini I mean yeah, but to me it just isn't as exciting. I don't know if I can explain it much beyond that, but I can try. Check out this short video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MHPlwWsyrLA.html So in a nutshell, that last clip in particular of Fox getting dunked 3 times in a row before finally dying is the kind of interaction I'm talking about. I know Ultimate and Melee are functionally different games, but I have memories of my friends and I having lots of fights where these moments of repeated spikes happen. But with us, there was also DI, wall teching, wall jumping, 2nd jump timing mixups, and other factors we used to make it difficult for the guy dunking us to maintain the pressure since a single whiff means the recovering player makes it back. I just loved how exciting it was and whoever won the exchange felt like a badass for a bit. I don't know why, but Ultimate never make me feel like that. I usually just feel like "I hit you with the thing and you died... That was it". Not bashing Ultimate though, I'm just saying I enjoyed the hype these meteors and meteor cancels brought and almost never induced salt (from my experience) because people were usually too busy laughing at the frantic off-stage scrap fest.

@@Kurayamiblack So you want every character w/ a spike to have pit/little mac dair? you havk to understand why that sounds like a bad idea to someone w/ no nostalgia

@@tumultoustortellini Lol, absolutely not 😆 I'm not one of those "blindly apply this to literally everything" kind of people. I've been messing with mods and observing game design long enough to know better than that. Plus I'm fully aware that every change made to a game will affect every player, not just myself which means you gotta do things that won't ruin the game for others who will almost certainly not enjoy a feature as much as I might. But I also know a thing or two about the give and take of trying to balance a game. There would have to be other tweaks to the game to make this feel good. I can't just chuck a feature from an old physics engine into a game that has a different system and expect the same results. I'm not asking to put that feature back into the game (although I do miss it), I'm just saying that I really enjoyed the type of excitement it brought to certain moments of the game. I don't think we NEED it; I only brought it up because I think the feature deserves some appreciation 👌

Olympia needs a section to herself

@@ShibuNub3305 I’m 100% sure she’ll be balanced out eventually

@@smashmallow1012 yes, every single tier list seems to agree than no one can agree in Rivals. Its very balanced.

Olympia would get a section like Bayo and MK did

@@antares4731 I feel like the entirety of the dlc would get that section, like mollo is crazy.

That's actually the case for Smash 64 And in melee they presumed that was intentional and did not include it at all

The same thing was the case with Wario's grab in Brawl.

Marth doesn’t actually outrange yoshi, he just outspaces him in that instance because of yoshi’s big fat nose hurtbox lol.

thats how hitboxes work in every game

I think they're hype

Wobbling at least has a chance to mess up, freeze glitch just straight up takes control away until icies decide to kill.

​@@HeavySighSA Freeze glitching is harder than wobbling by a long shot, imo, I've done both many times on 20xx. There is also reverse freeze glitching which is legal, yet has still been banned on slippi. Also, freeze glitching can be a pain when the glitch you move your oppenent one SDI above popo's grab range and can regrab them to continue the match. That means down airing them, having them agree to DI down so you can finaly regrab them and free them from the glitch. Also, there is a small chance NANA Down B's, wich causes the second part of the freeze glitch, making it non-grabable and game ending.

You can charge C-stick smash attacks by holding Z. I like doing this after running and doing a charged down smash

Which one?

@@sg2126 It wasn't really a big tournament but it got his name on the maps in Chile and South America, where he was from, can't remember but I'm pretty sure he made a video on it, if you are interested

@@sg2126 It wasn't really a big tournament but it got his name on the maps in Chile and South America, where he was from, can't remember but I'm pretty sure he made a video on it, if you are interested

Than it was a bad decision then.

@@oliverafton1444 it makes the game lead towards being more aggressive, it's ultimately a good decision

@@clebbb390 QwQ, well, i don't like playing aggresively, i am more strategic and combo-makee.

it's not really the same effect, because with the freeze glitch, a single grab when you are at even stocks or a stock advantage wins the entire game. say you're both at 4 stocks, and ice climbers grab and freeze glitch you. they can then hit you until you're at higher percent, and then just wait out the game clock and win on time. if you're both at 4 stocks and ice climbers grab you and wobble you, you're now at 3 stocks, but you can still fight. it's still total bullshit that gives your average local terrible ice climbers player an armada level punish game with a few hours of practice, but freeze glitch is way more overpowered and would cause the tournament format to collapse if allowed

man you’d hate 64

I don't think Foxs best opening is grab but it's still amazing

@@mlalbaitero it's not the single best, but still leads to whatever you want so it works, and every Fox does it

@@MrFlejon A lot of the better Foxes I've played against usually try to play neutral by whiff-punishing with short hop fair or drill shine. Grab is neat but doesn't punish reliably because most characters can short hop aerial over it or stuff it with follow-up tilts Chances are if you're getting hit by Fox dash-dance in neutral -> grab whiff punish, then they're calling you out on shielding after you throw out an aerial or something in neutral, or using a particularly laggy move and feel like grabbing instead of going for a more technical jump-in punish tl;dr Basically your comment is correct, but not every Fox does it

At least, he did all his way to low-mid tier. He was completly trash in Brawl

Too bad that by being top tier, he is now up air, the character. I hate fighting Mario in Smash 4 and Ultimate so much.

@@crack4184 Not only that Mario’s Voicelines suck in Brawl, it sounds like he has a cold, fever or stuffy nose lol, they should’ve reused the voicelines from Melee.

@@brandonwilliams6119 He wasn't in the right game. His kit is considered good but since there's barely any hitstun in Brawl, Mario can't do jack shit

Melee is accidentally perfect. It isn't Sakurai's best work because sakurai did it entirely on accident and doesn't care enough about the game to realize why it is actually perfect, or more realistically he's entirely missing the finer details that makes it perfect in favor of focusing on other aspects of the game in the name of broadening appeal. Which is entirely fine, as long as I can still play melee for another 20 years unheded, which that I can't even do sometimes because nintendo. It's a casually unfriendly game but competitively probably the best esport of all time, no question about it.

@@queuedjar4578, here's the thing. The reason there are so many glitches, which the competitive scene take advantage of and casuals don't readily have access to, is due to a combination of short development time and an lack of quality beta testing and debugging. It was among the first GameCube games to come out within the post launch window. And I watched a video where it's mostly down to luck, since players will fight for controller port rights in order to gain an edge over the opponent. Preferred method is rock-paper-scissors.

@@JoseRivera-ym3wj Im completely aware of all of this due to the fact I play the game. Even port priority doesn't matter that much in the majority of cases, and whichever port is more advantageous is also arguable since higher and lower ports have their own sets of pros and cons which is another accidentally balanced feature of melee that appears cursed and broken at first.

"Why can't I spike with Marth?" Welcome to PAL Melee

NTSC received two patches (v1.01 and v1.02) the main notable things they change is fixing crashing issues and changing how sdi works on certain moves. Other than that, it’s basically the same game but more stable, which is why it’s used in competitive play. A lot of people advocate for PAL being used, but its balance changes are very questionable. Ganon, a character who was never good to begin with, got nerfed very hard, while top tiers like jigglypuff and falcon got almost no changes (falcon got a nerf to weak knee but it barely matters). My personal least favorite change is sheik’s dthrow nerf, which makes it so she doesn’t have a grab game anymore on non-fastfallers. She went from the insane grab punish character to getting shield camped, oh how the tides have turned. On top of this, it just makes the game overall less interesting while helping balance very little, the tier list barely changes between ntsc and pal (only thing I can think of is that falcon might be better than sheik now, the nerf was that massive) and most of the cast is still complete garbage, which is why it isn’t used over NTSC.

If he can hold a GINORMOUS sword with no problems, he can hold a plumber.