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I have rewatched the whole show in between each season and it is literally a different show each time. That's the GOAT part of AOT for me, on top of everything else, obviously ^^
Remember when we thought that the Colossal Titan was the final boss? Remember when we thought that the walls were the only defense of the entire human kind
no no, the attack titan doesn't have the ability to see past or future, they just all received memories from the future inheritors, because the founding titan has the ability to transcend time and space
The empathy you guys feel for the characters in this world is touching. You guys are have such great commentary and insight! I hope you enjoy the rest of the show!
-I want to clarify about seeing the future, all titan shifters are able to see the past through previous users, but attack titan apart from being able to see the past but they can see the future through subsequent users, "only memories" -What Eren did to Grisha was beyond the power of the Attack Titan, Grisha was able to see and feel Eren's presence and emotions as if he were by Grisha's side, deciding which memory should be given to Grisha or not is the power of Founding -why is Eren able to use Founding better than Frieda and Zeke because Eren has memories in season 3 when Rod Reiss told Historia to touch Eren and he chose Frieda's memory from Eren because he wanted to introduce Historia about Frieda, while Eren who was asking questions " Have I been in this place before?” he got the memory of his father eating Frieda, then after Eren got to the basement and got the truth, he was still wondering if there was a truth that he hadn't gotten, which in the end when he kissed Historia he got his own memories of "Path" (that he himself did it not Grisha) -Therefore what Eren is doing in "path" is using Zeke who takes him to his father's memories, which means not "Eren did it again "but Eren is doing it right now" remember there is no time specification in path but what certain is that they did faster in the real world -As feedback from Eren, he showed Zeke that their father was a good father and he regret what he did to Zeke
Technically in Japanese “Shingeki no Kyojin” means “The advancing Titan/The advancing of the Titans”; so you get how something/someone can “advance”? Because it sees the future, it can see forward and knows how to move.
Eren was controlling everyone who inherited the Attack Titan since the first one. Because as he is the last, there is noone to control him. Like how King Fritz controlled all people who inherited Founding Titan. The only difference is, King Fritz controls from the past, Eren controls from the future.
I wouldn't call it "control". He didn't control Krueger for example. Rather, Eren's will and fighting spirit were passed down (up?) backward through time, not unlike how these things get passed down for other titans.
@@elheberright-the attack titan is what it is because Eren is who he is. Time stuff gets messy though, you could also pretty easily buy that Eren and the attack titan are the personification of Ymir's longstanding, repressed wish to fight back.
"Rather than letting someone steal my freedom, i'll steal theirs first." This is what made Eren do that to his father, his father tried to stop him from achieving freedom so he took away his by controlling him using the titan powers. That's what that young pissed off Eren face symbolized... in the most most time looped twisted way, lol. Bro watched season 4 long before we did 😆
Everytime Grisha “saw” Zeke, Eren was standing BEHIND Grisha, giving him “a good view” from his perspective and thus sending those memories via the power of the Attack Titan. When Grisha was showing young Eren the key, he was staring at future Eren because he was getting a memory from future Eren’s pov staring BACK at Grisha but from Grisha’s pov… no one is in front of him. So he was getting 2 perspectives of the same event. He KNEW someone was watching him but can’t see future Eren because he can only see everything from future Eren’s pov in addition to his own, which includes future Zeke.
if you notice eren only came to know why he was there when grisha sees zeke in the basement you could see eren was also shocked before going into the memories and during it eren constantly told zeke to get out as he was no longer brainwashed notice how after witnessing grisha see zeke, eren quickly realized why he was there and THIS TIME told zeke to go to next memory thats why he thanks zeke at the end
This episode is definitely the best of the whole season, probably the whole show. Grisha's voice actor deserves every award for his performance in this episode.
Grisha hates Marley to the core, but after seeing Eren's memories of the future he's asking Zeke to stop him... it's so terrible not even Marley deserves it. Great reaction as always! I remember the day this episode aired quite well because also Demon Slayer episode 2x17 'Never give up' aired too. That was a good day indeed.
7:32 Zeke _didn't_ break the chains, he was never bound by them in the first place. The vow renouncing war was sworn by the first king of the walls. Zeke was born outside the walls, and so isn't a descendent of the first king.
Ok, I will try to sum up the memory thing in a line. Kindly comment of I am wrong here. 1. The founding Titan if possessed by the royal blood line, can see the PAST memories of all previous 9 titans. 2. The Attack Titan is the ONLY one that can send memories that they WANT back in to the past to guide previous attack titans owners, so previous attack titans are basically seeing the future, but only from future attack Titan user's perspective. Also, the memories sent back by attack Titan user's are selective and they can choose to hide stuff they want.
Important things to keep in mind: It is not specified which Eren Grisha is refering to. His son or Eren Kruger. I personally think it could be Eren Kruger because the whole save Eldia trope was Eren Kruger's thing. He died only beign able to operate from behind a barrier. and in a sense operate through Eren. But also this gave Grisha and Zeike the chance to reconcile and have a much needed moment. But Grisha did damage his children. He could have just not given Eren the injection from the beginning. But he also put that on eren, he basically cursed his life and future. So for me yes Girsha finish what you start. He wa sin too deep to stop. And I also wondr which Eren was that pressured Grisha The flash of Eren's face is what Eren saw when he kissed Historia's hand in the ceremony, he saw all of this in a flash. Also: do you remeber when he was 1st taken to that place? whole he was chained and Rod Reiss and Historia were going up the stairs and he womdered "haven't I been here before?" and Rod Reiss read his mind and answered "no you have not" technically... he had... through Grisha's memories.
12:35 The way you sense how much your sister is hurting at this moment speaks volumes. Thank you both for having the courage to be so vulnerable for your reactions. I cried multiple times watching this. 13:28 The fact that "someone can see the future" is the twist, but it's a twist because they're the ONLY one who can see the future is honestly one of the most innovative and incredible plot twists ever conceived of. It's just unparalleled in my mind. 13:36 My theory is that the Attack Titan always belonging to someone who goes against the King's ideals is ultimately BECAUSE (SPOILER for ending)..............Eren is the final recipient of the Attack Titan. As a result, he is ultimately the one with the power to shape the state of mind of his predecessor by selecting the relevant memories to send back and when to send them. That in turn, shapes how the predecessor (Grisha) sends memories to their predecessor, Eren Kruger, etc. The chain of inheritance starts with Eren where Eren psychologically manipulates everyone back in time indirectly, the opposite of the Founding Titan who can establish vows that indirectly influence all future inheritors moving forward. So Eren is actually the REASON that the Attack Titan has the ideals it does. As Grisha says, "we were all lead by our memories...for this moment." Another part of this theory (possibly) is that since Eren eventually gets the Founding Titan, he gains access to the memories of all Subjects of Ymir before him, allowing him to know when any given link in the inheritance chain should send which memories to whom to ensure his will manifests properly over time. 18:11 "Eren scares me, but I love him, but I also kinda hate him, but I also don't; like, I definitely don't." When this season ended, before the specials, crunchyroll ran a pair of polls for best hero and best villain (or maybe it was protagonist and antagonist, I forget). Eren Jaegar ended up winning BOTH polls which properly confused one reactor I was watching at the time who was in the middle of season 2, hahaha. Also, I never caught that "pun" about having the power of the Founder in the palm of his hand. That is truly hilarious and a great "catch". ;-) As always, I loved your reactions immensely. This too was my favorite episode of the entire series. Just masterful writing and voice acting. I can't wait for the next video. Cheers!
Yes Kiss, YES!!! That's exactly why Eren was disgusted... not because he killed the children but because he was so weak and had to be pushed. You kind of missed it in the first reaction but Grisha is terrified of Eren all throughout the memories... Basically the Attack Titan is the way it is through 2000 years because that's how Eren is.
FINALLY! The episode I’ve been waiting for since the beginning! You two have become one of my favorite channels. Look forward to your videos every week. Keep that shit up.
This isn't a spoiler but just an explanation. The Attack Titan doesn't inherently have the power to see the future. It only has that power BECAUSE of this episode. Because Eren has the Founding Titan and BECAUSE Zeke brought him into the paths and Grishas memories, he is able to use the founder to send memories of the future to the previous inheritors of the Attack Titan. The Attack Titans characteristics are modeled after him. Even before he got the Titan, he moved forward and craved freedom. He is basically writing the script, making sure that the Attack Titan (and subsequently Founding Titan) falls into his hands. So again. Eren (and the events of this season) is the reason why the Attack Titan can see the memories of future inheritors.
SPOILER ALERT Weren't there long discussions in the last chapters about seeing the future and the struggle to change it? I dunno, yeah the Founder has all the abilities but this also means no other Titan inherited that ability from the Founder except the Attack Titan. The memories at that point weren't just Eren sending them back...
@@carydum9356 Well yes. The future memories and ability to see the future is specifically because of Eren. Hence why that specific Titan (regardless of its user) seems to have characteristics of Eren The timeline IS fixed. This episode is the nexus point of all time shenanigans in the series. As Eren explains later. To him, everything exists at one time, past, present and future. He is a slave to fate and time basically. Every single Attack Titan is being guided forward by some invisible force, (Eren) Grisha even says as much. The other Titans are not important in this case.
@@carydum9356 Only reason why The Attack Titan specifically has this ability is because Eren will eventually become one. If he instead became the Armoured, then the armoured would have that ability. All roads lead to Eren. Or rather Eren paves the road single handedly
Remember eren staring into the mirror and saying "Fight, Fight"... he's sending those memories to the past AT holders, in order for them to break away from the trend and oppose the flow in all times.
Zeke did not break the chains. The vow didnt work because zeke was there without having the founding titan. The chains were crafted by ymir by zeke's command in order to fool eren
"Zeke, please stop Eren" and it straight up cuts to the scene of Eren kissing Historia's hand. That's why he was disgusted from his father as he asked Zeke to stop Eren. That's just my theory...
I find it funny that eren is that obsessed with freedom. His power to see through the future seems more like one future, a destiny. He operates for only one future to happened, he can only see this one, in others terms he is a slave to destiny.
you missed alot of details in the beginning.but i still love it. zeke thought he was schooling eren, eren schooled him. lets put it this way, the only reason attack titan will go against the king coz attack titan can forsee the future so he had to go against any decision because he can see the future.
yea kind of i mean you only wont have children but you can leave peaceful lives till you are dead and also you dont have to kill billions in the outside world
Just like Jean said do you really think Marley and the rest of the world will let that happen ?! How do you know they wont swoop in and kill them once most of them are old and to weak to fight Eren's plan was the best hands down
@@daniel.m5278 because they literally wont have any resources to fight them DUH?! since zeke plan was also to initiate small scale rumbling and destroy their military
Just like he said Grisha needed to have a family and stay on his path to save Armin and Mikasa. He was the Attack Titan before Grisha and he knew of future events with no relation to the Founding Titan.
@@lk0324ok if it isn’t for shadowing why did Kruger say Armins and mikasa name right before he have greshia the attack titan? Go back to that episode and watch what he said
@@925bayareatycoon hes talking about this line specifically, it isnt foreshadowing because one can easily take it in its literal meaning. Memories from past shifters are passed on to future ones. The part with armin and mikasa was foreshadowing. "Whose memories are those" because as eren said, it all happens at once and forever. Hes a mess mentally. As soon as he got the power of the founder and paths, he existed throughout the 2000 years. Eren 1000% did and possibly could have influenced the entire path of 2000 years to get to this point to free ymir, it was always ymir and the attack titan imo represents her desire to be free, it just took 2000 years to gain the power and rage build up to break free of her chains, she needed a real connection. Eren gained his freedom, by choosing how to free everyone else from the cycle and choose who to save.
This future memory shit is really unique and clever mechanic to use in this storytelling. I wonder if Isayama created it himself, or Eren just whispered on him to write it
In terms of narrative, the author can concieve his characters in a way, but sometimes they just take their own path, one that only cares about serving the plot and not the author's will. Somehow, someway, it could be said that characters write themselves. Eren manipulating Isayama is as possible as ironic.
If you pay attention to the words Eren used to manipulate his dad, it was the same words Kruger told him before giving him the Attack Titan. That’s why he knew saying it like that would get his father to act.
I think it's the opposite. I think it was Eren speaking through Kruger the first time, saying whatever would motivate Grisha to go through with it. It would have been Grisha's first time hearing those words, Eren's second time using them to push Grisha to do what he wanted to do. Manipulation born out of having already seen his Father's memories and knowing what would emotionally resonate with him.
Here's what I love about that episode. That showdown wasn't really between Grisha and Frieda... it was between King Reiss's will from the past vs Eren Jaeger's will from the future, battling through their surrogates.
No it was Grisha and Eren bypassing the King's will by stealing the founding Titan. They knew that they couldn't fight the King's will and had no hope of undoing it so they didn't bother. They just ate the royal. That's why Eren said to Grisha "you know what you came here to do". That's why Eren got pissed off when Grisha started appealing to Frieda rather than doing what they came to do. Steal the Titan.
In the anime, the first episode doesn’t show Grisha’s head while he’s showing the basement key to Eren. But in the manga, in the very first chapter, we see Grisha inexplicably staring off to the side while showing Eren the key. This odd quirk made no sense until the chapter corresponding to this episode was released.
I"m really sad that nuggets like those didn't make it to the anime. Putting it all together makes it that much sweeter when you have all those bits and pieces.
When eren kissed historias' hand, he saw everything that day. Everything till the end. That is why he asked conny: What was sashas' last words. And conny said "meat". Eren laughed because of madness because he saw that he couldn't change the future anymore.
Rather, he saw everything that future Eren chose to reveal to past Eren. He says later on (major spoiler alert!) that he doesn’t even know whether or not his friends kill him (or maybe it was whether they survive). So he doesn’t necessarily know everything. Future Eren is manipulating past Eren by selectively showing him memories just like he did with Grisha.
No he didn’t see EVERYTHING. He just knew that he’d gain control of the founder through Zeke and start the Rumbling as well as having to convince Grisha to kill the Reiss’s, he just didn’t know the circumstances leading up to it(like having to convince Ymir to side with him, Gabbie blowing his head off or Sasha getting killled)
wrong eren didnt see any future memories completely when he kissed historia he only saw bits and pieces of it in the manga its shown much better he didnt knew sasha was going to be killed and he only saw what future eren send it to him
it took me awhile to realise that grisha was not seeing eren at all!! instead grisha was seeing himself thorough eren's pov (basically seeing himself though eren's memories) and even when he hugged zeke, he was just hugging air and eren was standing infornt of zeke and ghrisha saw zeke through eren's pov
Uh no, that makes no sense. Grisha is clearly making physical contact with Zeke. Eren was also able to grab Grisha’s shoulder when making him kill the Reiss’s
The reason why Grisha can see Zeke is because he's seeing him through Eren's memories. Every time Grisha sees Zeke Eren is always standing behind him facing Zeke behind Grisha. Also the reason why Grisha makes that surprised face when staring at Eren is because he's directly looking at himself. Also also Eren telling Grisha that he's the one that started this story is the same line Eren Kruger said to him when giving him the attack titan. All of these events were seen when Eren touched Historia's hand at the end of season 3.
The biggest mindfuck of this episode was when I realized weeks after the fact that the speech Eren was giving to his dad was the exact same one Kruger gave to Grisha. "You keep moving forward, even if you die, even after death. Aren't you the one who started this story?" Pretty sure it's word for word.
No, the royal family couldn't break free from the vow like Zeke did. Remember, Zeke didn't actually possess the founding titan - he was just a royal titan touching the founding titan. Which means he still had free will. Because Frieda actually has the founder's titan, she is controlled by King Fritz's will. To behave like Zeke, they would have needed someone who wasn't possessed by the founder's titan to cooperate with them.
Exactly! When he says he nullified the vow, he meant that he could undo it so future inheritors wouldn’t be bound by it since he had full control of the founder at that point.
@@akashdatta5149 King Fritz made his family line submit to his will - to make a kingdom cut off from the rest of the world. And to one day accept the world's hatred and let this kingdom be destroyed. Even though they have their own thoughts and personalities, if any of his direct descendants (those of royal blood) eat the founding tian, Fritz's will takes over. This was to prevent them from rebelling and attempting to destroy the world. Instead, they would keep their population naive of the outside world and wait for Eldia to be invaded.
I just never understood why Frieda was so weak. Wasn't her supposed to control the most powerful titan? Like I think she was supposed to win over Grisha in that fight
@@enzoys She lacked combat experience with her titan. She was just 18 by then and the Royal family likely saw no need to train for combat. Grisha meanwhile fought his way to the walls when they were still swarming with titans beyond them.
Turns out they were Grisha's. "You have to lean how to control this power to save Armin and Mikasa" is word-for-word what Grisha was crying to Eren as he was about to inject him. We see it in the episode where Eren stops the cannonball to save Armin and Mikasa. We can now confidently surmise Grisha actually saw Eren transform to stop the cannonball to save Armin and Mikasa. Of course Krueger would recall this memory of injecting Eren when he himself was about to inject Grisha and teaching him how to transform. Dejá-vu.
I could literally comment every episode about how amazing these two are because they never disappoint. The combination of genuine reaction and intelligent review... These girls are the best anime reactors I've ever seen. This episode was no different, they catch on so well to so many things and the tears and smiles are so relatable. 🎉❤
For once I'm really glad how off-base they were (which is so rare). They were saying "Oh so Frieda must kill them then?" and I was like "omg this is going to be good, they aren't even thinking that Eren could play a bigger part"
Small little detail from the ceremony - when Historia is about the put the pendant over Eren's head, the pendant and the form/shadow on Historia's dress is nearly identical to Eren's founding titan form. The level of intricacy in this show/story is beyond anything else I've ever experienced before. It's worth at least one rewatch.
18:20 “everyone is a victim of circumstance … but im not excusing the horrible things everybody does” hayley summed up the show. she may actually be commander of the scouts.
That part really blew my mind when I first read it lol, it was so frustrating that I had no friend to talk about it with because they weren't caught up to the manga at that time.
when eren said he was disgusted, he was actually referring to himself. you can see here that these are the memories he saw when he kissed historia's hand at the very end of s3, and then after that we get the sea scene, where eren is VERY different compared to how he acted before. He saw himself making his dad end the Reiss family, which was what disgusted him
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, the PATHS have led us all for this very moment. This episode is basically the clash of the First King's immovable will of the past to Eren's unstoppable desire for the future.
Just to clear this attack titan ability.. It's not able to see glimpses of future memories but rather the future inheritor can send back memories to the past inheritor.. that's why grisha says "why won't you show me everything eren"
@@SanketPatole he was seeing the memories before that as well.. but it just happened to be he got those future memories when he kissed historia's hand.. to clear your confusion, they weren't exactly future memories they were still grisha's memories cuz eren or anyone can't see future memories.. those memories were sent to grisha by the Future eren of that timeline and then they became part of grisha's memories when eren kissed historia's hand he unlocked more grisha's memories including the memories Future eren sent to grisha
@@AM17titan 1. If it's about possessing Attack Titan+Founding Titan and then touching royal blood, then how could Eren Kruger (Only Attack Titan) see Eren Jaeger's future memories without possessing Founding Titan and touching royal blood? 2. If it's only about possessing Attack Titan+Founding Titan, Then how could Grisha Jaeger (Only Attack Titan) see Eren Jaeger's future memories without acquiring the Founding Titan first? 3. If it's only about possessing Attack Titan, then how could Eren sleeping under the tree see future Eren i.e. attack Titan's memories of Eren's mom being eaten? 4. If Eren's Attack Titan (only) intentionally sends future memories to past holders of Attack Titan, then who sent future memories of Flying Jaw Titan to Falco?
No, the real split is between people who believe in self’s defense and those who don’t. Those who believe in the few being killed for the many and those who don’t. Those who believe in action and those who believe in doing nothing.
13:50 to be clear, Eren cannot send memories back, all the Attack Titan can do is use the same memory transference ability the rest of the titans can, except it goes both backwards and forwards. Grisha just asked why he wont show him everything because fom Grisha's PoV it feels like he's being shown a curated set of memories, but we as the viewers know this isn't the case, 1. because it's never shown at any point in the show, but 2. because Grisha also has seen memories that directly contradict Eren's goals
Ppl may disagree but I have Grisha in my top 10 AoT characters… anytime he’s on screen the pivots are so monumental and gut wrenching you just can’t ignore his character.
It just stuck me now, after all these years. Zeke is like the first kid who every parent sort of screws up or at least makes a lot of mistakes with. But, then the second kid, or Eren, comes along and by now the parents have an idea of how to parent and things are a lot different and better.
@@lk0324 no what it is everyone is just soft. In the beginning everyone is with Eren to obliterate all the titans. As the series goes on ( S4 specifically ) we get introduced to new characters and grow a soft spot for them. Now all of a sudden we aren't on Eren's side . Bunch of soft hearted traitors everyone.
So, I'm not sure if you guys picked it up, but here is how the Future stuff works: Eren sent memories to his father of the future. He showed his father his own memories of what will happen in the future... But he didn't show him EVERYTHING, just snippets. THEN, when Eren touched Historia's hand, he saw all of his Dad's memories.. which included the future memories that (future) Eren sent to his father. So Eren can only see the future because IN the future, he sends those memories back to his dad, and then once he sees everything that his dad knows, he also sees those future memories. A bit confusing, but hopefully that makes sense. So that's why Eren changed at the end of Season 3 right after the Historia hand kiss.. He became more sad and cold.. And thats because he saw his dads memories.. which means he saw the future that he sent back to his dad.. So he knew that he was going to start the Rumbling, but he didnt know WHY.. so he spend years trying to find away, but everything kept happening and he couldnt change what he saw..
7:36 The reason Zeke was able to brake the chains was because those chains were fake and were designed to trick Eren. Zeke never was bound by the will of King Fritz because he isn't the one wielding the Founding Titan. Frieda wouldn't be able to do it.
Eren repeats Kruger's words to Grisha about finishing what he started. The setups and payoffs in this show are amazing. Also you're right about pretty much everyone being a victim of circumstance, and that's what makes the whole thing so tragic. Because every choice made by every single person in this story makes logical sense from the perspective of the person making said choice, and when you try to put yourself in their shoes it gets real hard to claim that you would have acted differently.
ITS FINALLY HERE. The attack titan can see whatever the future wielder wants them to see. And it seems like Eren has been leading EVERY ATTACK TITAN THROUGH HISTORY, GUIDING THEM TO THIS POINT SO EREN COULD TOUCH ZEKE AND GAIN THE POWER OF THE FOUNDER. If you go back to episodes in season 1, you can see silhouettes of CURRENT EREN in the background watching his younger self. You can see him in YOUR OWN REACTION IN EPISODE 2 at 12:14! Like...WHAT. The manga wasn't even finished when that episode aired. This has been the plan since the beginning.
