I guess. But will it be adapted on a large scale? I know of a Marwari girl who married a Sindhi boy and her family kidnapped her and got her name changed and got her married to someone in another city a few years later - that's how sensitive they are to inter-caste marriages.
Am thankful from the bottom of the heart. To say even after reservation am not able overcome my anxiety and fear to tell my caste to explain my kids about the same.
Buddy, you have no reason to have shame. It is the people who created and still believe in caste who should be ashamed. Teach your kids about social injustice, so that they never think of themselves as any less than another human being. Thanks for watching the video, I am glad you liked it.
I don't believe in caste at all. I am an atheist and I haven't worn a janeu in a decade. The Brahman bit was to drive the point home. Thanks for watching the video.
You do understand that we have historical precedent for what happens in societies where inequality rises - the French Revolution. So, those who want to uphold the caste system can very well do so. But they will get what's coming for them - one day or the other.
Everyone will defeat casteism in their own ways. The Upper Castes aren't Saviors of grandeur and the Dalits and Adivasis aren't waiting to be saved. The movement will ultimately be one led by the marginalized. Of them. By them. From them.
Being a Brahmin yourself and still talking against casteism and oppression takes a lot of heart and self enlightenment. Kudos to you.. we need more creators like you.
You're right about castism. While I disagree with some of your other videos, your point on castism resonates deeply with me. As a Sanatani Hindu, I strongly oppose castism. People who advocate for removing reservations often overlook the root cause: the caste system itself. If there were no caste system, there wouldn't be a need for caste-based reservations. It's baffling that some seemingly intellectual people who Claims that they have More knowledge then Reserved Category Students struggle to Understand this fundamental concept.
It is not an easy idea to accept, especially for people who have been raised to believe that they are genetically smarter. The reality is that it is merely generational access to education and privilege. Thanks for voicing your opinion - I'm glad you chose to speak here instead of trolling the videos you don't agree with. Your heart is in the right place.
Enlightened view of the problem of caste and affirmative action. I am from SC community. My father has a government job and he provided well for his family. But I still had to face discrimination during my school time. I started hiding my identity during college. I was ignorant and whenever my father tried to convey to me the caste hierarchy I dismissed it and said we are equal and ‘I don’t know what are you talking about’. I learned about concepts of equality and societal setup after my college days. I am the first generation in family to even go to a college. There was social backwardness snd lack of social capital and it proved fatal for me.
Have been trying hard to explain the detrimental effect that discrimination has on people's lives, their ability to score in exams, their psyche, etc. But people who haven't ever faced discrimination just don't get it.
Firstly let me get clear to you about this points…. 1) I grew up in delhi …being higher brahman (which I didn’t know by myself ) I studied until 10 my parents didn’t tell me about anything caste etc neither did my school told me except books (which introduced in briefs) all my friends whose caste I didn’t know sit together and eat neither anyone else ask…but then suddenly when I apply for a National level exam my friend (whose father is kv teacher…own 2 houses with 1 lakh per months salary my father works at a shop barely supporting) got cleared the exam I didn’t although he has far less marks…Suddenly I got to know about the caste thing what is reservation …before that things were just not infront of me …BUT NOW tell me even if I try to forget or decide to tell my children that no caste and all is there …how will you reply when they ask ki I am not discriminating anyone not anyone in my family is …then why should I compromise my marks why my talent for which I sacrificed a lot which someone other didn’t he rather enjoyes when I was studying but still he gets clg I didn’t …? 2) I once visited a aunt of mine saw a maid working there …I got there and just to let them know about benefits of reservation I asked what ur daughter do school etc for my surprise come she didn’t knew even a bit about reservation I told her everything about benefits scholarship etc etc then I asked her surname …for my surprise she is verma(brahman) …her husband deive E-rickshaw..she lives in slum nearby…has one son and one daughter…Pls tell me what GENERATIONAL PREVILAGE does she got that made her do housework and live in slum ..and to my surprise there in NO not even a single scholarship EVEN just one for financially supporting such poor families and TO MY SURPRISE SHE SAT BELOW RATHER THAN ON SOFA AS SHE SAID THESE ARE FOR RICH ..and SEE THE BRAHMAN POOR PREVILAGE COMES HERE …BULLSHIT …and I thankfully told her about Ews But wow there no concession in forms/scholarship for them to …and not this is the only case here ….once I saw my society watchman…he lives in single room house…his son could not do clg ge can’t pay now he works at electric shop repairing things barely earning…WHERE IS THE GENERATIONAL PREVILAGE …? 3) It been almost 40+ years in reservation…lets say a person took advantage and becomes an IAS …luckily he had made more than enough assets in one generation…his son drive cars …goes to best school …took NEET coaching paying (2.5 lakhs) didn’t clear the exam …took 2 more drops each year paying 1.5 lakh …still score 550 /720 in exam and got one of the best AIIMS …and a general student didn’t get any coaching..as can’t pay have siblings too …got 640 still cannot get the most worst clg and even quota can fetch the IAS son at 300 marks… Lastly even if we both got clg …studied the same books gave all same exams same opportunities (although he gets scholarships) then what is the need for reserved seats in master exams …?…OH SORRY according to you UPPER CASTE TEACHERS/STUDENTS must have bounded him in room snatching all the books or might ha would have standed outside the classroom …..ALTHOUGH he knows legal rights law protects him ….SC/ST prevention law…. So man please open ur eyes and see clearly what the both side story…..
I have just one sentence for you - the world does not start and end in your line of sight. Caste discrimination is very much alive, whether it happens in your circle or not. And only the so-called upper castes have the privilege of "not knowing" their caste. I have a new video in works to address this exact thing. Stay tuned for that. And I am not the one who needs to "open" his eye, you are. Why did a 'Brahman' doing domestic work surprise you? We do live in a capitalist country after all? Reservations is NOT about financial upliftment. It's sad that people like you keep making this same stupid argument.
@@TheIanPanda Yep so THE statement " the world does not start and end in your line of sight" applies to you too So don't cite your experience to show that DISCRIMATION is so much prevalent .You can't just ignore the cases I said they are not just one thing they are more than enough prevalent everywhere .... Nobody is saying caste discrimination isn't there but that doesn't mean THAT EACH and everyone faces it ...Nowdays due to techinical/edicational advancement thing has came under control not a lot but still considerable enough changed so should be the policies (SUPREME COURT ORDER is an example) . I do belong to a very native village in up so I can see the change even at lowest base . Secondly brahman working as domestic worker doesn't surprise me I gave that E.G about you criticizing a guy about GENERATIONAL PREVILAGE esp in terms of EDUCATION and FINANCIAL STABILITY ....WHAT surprises me is an IAS SON with much facilities and much opportunism gets to apply at half rate for a form and clg fees and gets a seat with such undeserving marks (320/720) while here she starves to pay the fees and yet her hardworking her daughter scoring (640/720) and SURPRISE she couldn't fetch a medical seat even in worst clg ..... Oh I didn't get it.... RESERVATION IN GOV. JOBS (even reservation in job promotions) which serve as an income to that individual doesn't provide financial upliftment ( as the money goes away in donation to orphan rather than buying land or accessories) the sole purpose of that job is that it serves as a mental purpose to others as serving dignity for that individual . THATS the moto of the reservation ...I beg to differ here...becoz reservation is killing talent and I can see ...And I know nothing is going to change ...AND to be clear its not like no genuine are benefitted by reservations...BUT whats happening now is those who are benefitted are continuously taking advantage and those who need it are lacking behind and they will...those bloody people will never let them come in upfront they oppress their own caste more than other caste do ...THANK YOU ...
I am not gonna waste my breath on the same arguments by savarnas who can't stop feeling sorry for themselves after less than 80 years of some affirmative action for those who were oppressed for thousands of years. Even with caste atrocities being reported in the news every day, people like you argue that caste discrimination has decreased. Thanks to the law, it has just changed forms. Here's some quantification for you to mull over: About 41% of total wealth in India is owned by upper castes, who comprise only 18% of the Indian population. Brahmins who are 5% of the Indian population hold 34% Government jobs and the general category occupies 75.5% government jobs even after 50% reservations for SC, ST and OBC communities. SC and ST communities comprise about 25% of the Indian population but fail even to get represented in 15% of public institutions. So keep your Brahmin pity to yourself. You came across one poor Brahmin family and your bleeding heart just convinced itself that social capital and generational privilege does not exist. And the Supreme Court said "Marks are NOT merit". Look up that judgement and read it to understand what it means.
Didn't 5 % brahmins enjoy 100% reservation in priestly posts in temples of india? didn't 5 % kshatriyas enjoy 100% reservation in noble and key administrative posts of ancient kingdoms? didn't 5 % vaishya(baniya) enjoy 100% reservation in business sector ? didn't 15% savarn enjoy 100% reservation in gurukuls? didn't 15% savarn control 50% real estate of india not by merit but by feudalism and caste hierarchy? The Savarn castes (15%) have enjoyed almost 100% reservation in temples, nobility, administration, business sector and owned 50% land of india for the past 3000 years. Still they have a problem with sc st obc which are given 50% reservation in public sector institutions. Only 2% jobs and 6% educational institutions are in public sector. 98% jobs and 94% educational institutions in india don't offer reservation
Buddy, stop quoting exceptions and making it sound like they are the rule. You know about it because it is rare. And as far as Muslims being included in OBC, your argument that Muslims ruled for 800 years is like saying Hindus ruled for 3000 years, what's the point of recognising the poor as poor.
rajkumarvishwakarma478 - Does that invalidate the point I made abaout caste and reservations? No. So, all you're doing is trying to pick a fight. I don't play those games. I will not engage in futile arguments.
I am NOT Brahmin. In fact, there's nothing called Brahmin. These are just arbitrary differentiations men made to oppress other men. It's time we stop dignifying such terms of oppression.
I've faced caste based discrimination as ive studied in suarashtra region of gujrat where i was asked within first minute of interaction what is my cast/surname and native place and as i am from "lower cast" and i didn't want to face the consequences i used to lie i felt very bad but what can be done nothing because these people are literally embedded with the discrimination and just filled with toxicity bcz ive faced it first hand and i didn't knew what to do and i still didn't have any idea how to handle this kind of situation
When people like you are there the discrimination caused by caste will eventually get removed someday and hence the reservations wont be needed. Reservation opposing people wants to solve the caste discrimination problem by removing caste based reservation and bringing economic reservation. They think they will make people forget about their caste and hence no one will get discriminated. But reality is people wont forget about their origins as long as their religion, and motivation is linked to their caste. ex: 1. "I am gujarati I am great business man ", 2. " I am rajputs we are great warriors " 3. "We are singh we are "sher da puttar"" etc. Anhilation of caste is impossible. and even if castes are removed people will find some other ways to discriminate each other. So Caste cant be removed but the discrimination caused by caste can be removed. Upper caste people needs to remove that idelogies where inequalities are imposed. So basically "we are dalits we are most .........." This statement is still incomplete. But kisiko nicha dikhatye bina khud uchha kaise dikhnege??? So like to stop gender based discrimination we cant bring solution through which it will hide the person's gender instead we work towards the removal of discrimination on the basis of gender by providing representations. Social harrasment of people in colleges and govt jobs is not going to remove reservation but increase caste discrimination.
The last line you said :- Try to walk in the shoes. Yeah! Try to walk in the shoes of a middle class general surrounded by rich SC friends who have to score almost half the marks that you need to score to get a college seat. Guess you'll never know.
Rich SC friends. How do you still know they are SC? Because people still call them SC. So, it's not about money, then? Reservations are not about money - it is about representation. You have never faced discrimination - if you did, maybe you'd score far lesser marks than you currently do. Ever thought of that? People like you very easily ignore the social capital that helps you have "merit" - read about these things before you give gyaan here. You're bringing nothing new or original to the argument.
@@TheIanPanda I came to know about that they are SC when they mocked me by saying - We will get seat with 450 marks you worry about your future. Never knew before that😊
@@Tryptophan99 Look buddy, I never had said such things to anyone, nor did someone say those things to me maybe you are really unlucky, but the fact of the matter is, most SCs are insecure abt their caste even tho they are rich rich SCs get discriminated by rich UCs that's it, and also you discriminated them by only looking at your life and ignoring 3000 years of history most wealth and power positions are still held by UCs that's because of Caste system and the British Reservation system of pre Independence India to conclude, not everyone can be satisfied at the end of the day, people are given advantage today, because someone earlier had taken that from them
@@TheIanPandahow can someone assume that being from a Brahim family gives you a "social capital"?. My Grandfather worked very hard, my father still works hard and I'm expected to do the same, The concept of social capital, never came across the table. I'm damn sure he was not a meritorious student just like today's SC & ST's (no offence). Where was his reservation, TO HELP BRING THE MERIT. It's so bold of assuming that all Braham had theoretical soft power benefits as Social Capital.
That's moronic. Reservations are given because caste discrimination exists. You stop the latter and the former can be phased out. Moreover, what's the point cribbing on someone's video? You should reach out to your parliamentarian for this.
In current senario i find only two thing happening around this issue 1 politicians using this issue as a very successful tool to win elections 2 people getting the benefit of reservation suppoting it and other not getting opposing it But as Ambedkar dreamt of an india free of castes with this system , I do not see this thing happening anytime soon , rather caste system becoming a more visious issue because of it .....
No. Caste system exists and it isn't made worse by affirmative action. That's a savarna POV. Reservations are not a tool to remove caste discrimination - the onus of that is on the people. Reservations are designed to increase representation. So that the so called backward castes also can gather some social capital over time, which is their right - a right that they were kept away from, by a systematic method of exclusion.
So let that happen organically by making sure they aren’t being excluded and Make sure they have a chance to compete But Let them compete This reverse discrimination against the hardworking minds is just a political tool Indians are no way behind in the sectors that are Fortunately free from reservation Sports army CA corporates etc
Scheduled cast peoples dont hate brahmins they hate brahminism, because every cast try to show they are higher and brahminism is in every casts, and scheduled cast peoples get tired of this zombieness of savarna 😔 birth in brahmin family and Born in scheduled caste family is not in our hand it is accident but due to this scheduled cast peoples faced soo many problems thanks to babasaheb who accepted Buddhism. 🙏 because to live a good life there should be path to follow and philosophy to live a peacefull life i feel good in Buddhism. Thankyu . U r good human being 👍
how can someone assume that being from a Brahim family gives you a "social capital"?. My Grandfather worked very hard, my father still works hard and I'm still expected to, The concept of social capital, never came across the table. I'm damn sure he was not a meritorious student just like today's SC & ST's (no offence). Where was his reservation, TO HELP BRING THE MERIT. It's so bold of assuming that all Braham had theoretical soft power benefits as Social Capital.
That hard work you're talking about - how much returns that gets you decides on your existing social capital and privilege. For the same amount of work your ancestors put in, a Dalit or Adivasi in that period would not get the success your ancestors got. This is the truth. You don't wanna accept it, because you have never faced discrimination.
@@TheIanPandafacing discrimination doesn’t entitle you to mock the efforts of a hardworking person who toiled hard years together for one fine exam while your were chilling since you had reservations
Divya Kirti recent interview say. Couple ias their child ias. Their daughter in law IAS. Again they get a benefit of quota. I am not against quota. Give on caste base but plz give to poor people. But if he talk it is attack on constitution.
You clearly didn't understand the video. Watch it again. "Ideological" people will stand for social justice, they won't consider it "their seats". Reservation is about giving them representation. Social acceptance will come as their social standing improves - which will happen once they are better represented in the society.
Your social justice would happen if the opportunity is the same One discrimination won’t undo the previous one It is in fact unfair on the person being discriminated because he himself never discriminated in the first place
Discrimination ? ? My all SC friends' parents had govt. Jobs but my parents hadn't all because of reservation. I had to score much higher marks than them due to reservation. The reservation was to uplift them not to make generals poor generation after generation.
"My" - and you are all of India, is it? No SC, ST exist beyond your line of sight? No discrimination exists because you haven't seen any. Govt job means no discrimination? Get out of the well you live in and see what happens in the real world.
What did you say? Generational privilege we had? I am a general and I do not have acres of land or vilas. Well! My SC friends have plots and vilas in the city epicentres. All thanks to the the govt. jobs which there parents have and mine do not due to reservation. REMEMBER NOT EVERY GENERAL IS RICH. NOT EVERY SC/ST/OBC IS POOR. If economic status not anymore according to caste then why reservation according to caste??
Because, for the nth time, reservation is for representation, not for monetary upliftment. Rich or poor, a dalit will still face discrimination at work, temples or in general interaction with people. You are definitely not rich but you won't be barred from places or face caste discrimination like dalits or lower caste people will. If people can wash temples to purify after a well known leader like Akhilesh Yadav visits it, imagine the discrimination faced by common people who are lower or out castes.
@@mithilbhoras5951 if you’re being denied access to public services anywhere ( facing discrimination)you need strict laws and social awareness to solve the problem Robbing the dreams of a poor hardworking child who never did the crime of discrimination won’t solve your issue All you would get is an unfair advantage in the name of social justice Jo kisi nirdosh ki kamar tod kar nikala gaya hai Aur ise main bheek hi kahuga Kyuki haq hota toh imaandari se jeet kar lete
@@samarthbihade8306 Bro, let’s cut the crap about “nirdosh bachha” and your melodrama of “kamar tod kar nikaala gaya” - you’re not the victim here. It’s not robbery when you’ve been handed the world on a silver plate just because of your caste. The reality is you’ve already inherited the fruits of privilege without ever needing to prove yourself. You talk about hard work as if you’ve been denied something that you deserve. But let’s be real, your entire system of advantage is based on centuries of “bhiksha”-getting an easy ride in life because you were born into the right caste, not because you earned anything with “imaandaari.” So before you start throwing around words like ‘unfair advantage,’ take a good hard look in the mirror. Generations before you oppressed, exploited, and deprived entire communities, and now you have the audacity to cry foul when that injustice is finally being corrected? You call it "robbery," but if anyone’s been robbed for generations, it’s people from backward communities. You’ve got wealth, influence, connections-everything stacked in your favor. What did we get? Centuries of oppression, no land, no voice, no dignity, and even now, we still have to fight for basic respect. You think reservation is bhiksha? Then go ahead and give up your caste privileges. Let’s see you compete fairly without your connections, without your privileged network. We’ll see how “imaandaari se jeet kar lena” goes for you when you’re no longer cushioned by your caste. Stop acting like some innocent victim in this-you’re not oppressed, you’re just uncomfortable because the system is starting to level the playing field. The world’s not gonna keep revolving around your entitled self just because you feel like your undeserved dominance is slipping. So yeah, cry me a river about your so-called ‘hardworking child’. The real hardworking people are those who’ve had to fight against the weight of discrimination, while you’ve been handed a head start in every possible way. It’s about time you realize that reservation isn’t stealing anything from you-it’s giving people like us what was denied to us for centuries. and if he is so so so talented then he can get sucess in any private platform i mean why only cry for those 2 percent gov jobs why so much for crying didn't 5 % brahmins enjoy 100% reservation in priestly posts in temples of india? didn't 5 % kshatriyas enjoy 100% reservation in noble and key administrative posts of ancient kingdoms? didn't 5 % vaishya(baniya) enjoy 100% reservation in business sector ? didn't 15% savarn enjoy 100% reservation in gurukuls? didn't 15% savarn control 50% real estate of india not by merit but by feudalism and caste hierarchy? The Savarn castes (15%) have enjoyed almost 100% reservation in temples, nobility, administration, business sector and owned 50% land of india for the past 3000 years. Still they have a problem with sc st obc which are given 50% reservation in public sector institutions. Only 2% jobs and 6% educational institutions are in public sector. 98% jobs and 94% educational institutions in india don't offer reservation
my question is to you I am a Neet aspirant.For me to get a medical Seat i need to score 85% of the total score to get the last seat in the Worst medical college.I belong to lower middle class as well. Then i have to Clear NEET PG where the reservation are even more ridiculous. Now ..My ST caste friend Who comes To the same coaching as i do in a Mercedes Benz Gets taught by the same teachers moreover he enjoys his life way more than I could ever imagine.He will get A seat in the top state govt college in just 50% of the total marks and Qualify NEET PG as well With the reservation. Now..will he be more capable of treating the patients than me or any other unreserved category guy?? absolutely not.The suprising part is he is not the only one ..there are thousands of kids like him all around the country. Why do you think india's health System so bad? why do you think Hundreds commit suicide Every year?? And Reservation creates even more hatred and Prejudice towards The Backward castes Meritocracy is dead in india thats why so many people leaving this country . Please make another video answeing to these questions -whats my fault for being a brahmin and not getting seat as easily as ST/SC guy -Do They need to represent them in every freakin exam there is in the country? -Why Good health System and infrastructural development is being compromised just Because Half a century ago The dalits faced discrimination -Are we doing right to the country by giving seats to Non meritorious people?
I have answered these questions in other videos. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uVS07Zvi8zE.htmlsi=dpwdSTonHgT8WttE Savarnas keep crying about "that rich SC guy" while conveniently ignoring that they are still discriminating against that guy. Also, the atrocities against Dalits isn't a thing of the past, like so many of you say. Even today, you hear names like Kujur, Kerketa, Bara, etc and you treat the people differently. Is that because of reservations? No. It's because a savarna is hardwired to discriminate. You might not. But a whole lot of people do. The problem is that you think, the playing field is the same, while you don't understand how discrimination affects someone's ability to score in exams. The problem is that you think that if there were no reservations, the hiring and selection would be fair to the "backward castes" and wouldn't discriminate based on their thousand year old biases.
Thank you for making such a thoughtful video, In such a short video you've explained it so well! Looking forward to more videos like this from you, and I'll definitely be sharing your content to get you more subscribers. Keep up the great work!" Jai Bhim brother💙🙌
I would say there is a huge intersection between financially poor demographic and the lower caste. If reservation was given to economically weaker sections, the lower castes will definitely benefit. This will also be a step in the right direction in terms of the mental state of these students. The reason they will get in will not be their caste, but their poor economic condition. Reservation on basis of caste will just reinforce their caste identity and make the caste boundaries between castes more tangible. As long as caste based reservation continues, the potential for further caste based discrimination increases and will effect the mental state of lower caste students even after joining any educational institution. Im making this comment in good faith. The more we make caste the centre of conversation, the more the caste boundaries widen.
Has caste discrimination stopped? Take away caste reservations today and the few people who get through will also be edged out by the upper castes and their well established social circle. I guess you missed the point I was trying to make. You are making your statement from your perspective - you and I might not discriminate, but most people do. And they don't even do it out of malice, but rather subconscious bias. Read up, buddy. What you're suggesting is NOT the solution.
Use a dictionary, buddy. Bias and jealousy mean different things. Casteism is already there - which makes people discriminate among others. Reservations is a way to provide representation to the communities who'd be left behind otherwise.
I am from genersl caste my daughter-in-law is from OBC.,my sister-in-laws husband is from SC,my brothers wife is brahmin,my nephews wife is OBC,my niece husband is ST.
Great. Now that you have assimilated well, make sure to forget these arbitrary caste distinctions and see them as fellow humans and Indians and relatives. That's how discrimination will go away.
So now is the progeny having generational social capital Or generations worth of discrimination Policies suggest the second one Society suggests the first
@Ian Panda great pointers of presented do indeed paint the intended perspective for the reserved classes , where i come to disagree are two points ( with perhaps a lot of caveats) are the due to the following 1) There is the reserved creamy layer which takes advantage of the reservations and those who are in need are still left due to the presented hurdles due discrimination . 2) The no. of admissions within these reservations go unfilled 3) The upper class all may or may not get the education background benefit and very large array of them are so well to do . there is more to the picture(this would be a long one sorry ) there is the ews class reservation instead which may get improvements with authentication but that is for us to wait and see. As far as class discrimination go i haven't got much and didn't see any even in adults . the news is there and i know we are far from done but i do know how it feels to not be accepted , to feel not having much. But i am certain of one thing , the current ecosystem of education is very predatory of parents and students at the middle and lower level and those who clearly benefit from it due benefits of exclusivity . i am quite for reservations but much more so would like to see it perform its purpose better . A greater solution but a lengthy one at that is to see developments for higher education careers in fine arts and digital content creation to ease out burden . thankyou for this long passage XD , i am sure i have made many mistakes while writing and would love to hear them from you .
Okay, let me try to answer this in a short way. Reservations are not meant to financially uplift the "backward" castes or change the casteist mindset of people. Reservations are supposed to help these people get representation in education and employment - representation was denied to them for generations. The purpose is so that they are present in all positions so that they can build enough social capital for the castes that are discriminated against - so as to counter the effect of discrimination in hiring and education. This whole creamy layer argument is stupid and comes from a place where people don't understand what I said in the above paragraph. Even Dalit IAS officers are still called Dalit behind their backs - people very casually refer to their castes. Their children might have privilege but they are still discriminated against in the society - may not be overtly but it is still there. That's why the reservations are needed because these biases can often stop people from hiring them. And the evidence for that, you only said that positions go unfilled. Nearly 70% of the population are "backward" castes. You really believe none of them deserve the seats/jobs that go unfilled? And as for the unfortunate people who aren't able to get the benefit of reservations, surely reforms to ensure better reach can be made. But this creamy layer segregation is not the solution. Because caste reservations is not about financial upliftment. Lastly, you didn't see caste discrimination because it never happens to YOU. Just like it has never happened to me. But if you pay attention, you'll see it's all around you. People might be subtle about it, but they are still pretty casteist.
In india there are not less than a million surnames, how is it possible to identify someones caste and category to discriminate? Also what exactly caste is... There are 4 varnas we all knew which classify people based on their occupation... So what exactly caste is? Even numerous of terms like - sindhi, marwari etc are geographical, many are occupational like jat, many have their father name as surname, many with their ancestors, many have their village name as surname.. so again what is caste? Is the discrimination really bcz or caste or bcz or income disparity, racism and different living standard. Think about
Another savarna who dismisses the idea of caste. How many marwaris marry people other than marwaris? I knew a Marwari girl who married a Sindhi and her family kidnapped her and got her name changed and married somewhere else. No, it is not because of income disparity. And if varna wasn't birth based, then who is giving the Dalits who are educated now and are teachers the caste identity of a Brahmin. Where is this governing body who determined caste migration based on occupation. Stop burying your head in the sand and looking at things from your individual and limited perspective. Caste very much exists. I have shared a story on IG, where in a village in MP, a man is thrashing Dalit children with a stick for drinking from the community well. Are you telling me that you will treat a person poorer than you like that? So, you think about it.
As dalit gen Z 💙 . I think of betrayal when i see reservation For votes we became hindu overnight our distinct cultures and religious practices were eradicated by our newly hindu identity . AS DALIT RENAISSANCE COMES WILL COME INDEPENDENCE OF DALITS WE DON'T NEED RESERVATION WE NEED SEPARATE IDENTITY. 💙💙 WANT FREEDOM AND DALIT LIBERATION 💙💙
Sir I feel very related with this i am an simply graduate and unemployed and non resrervation and 36 years old. People call me mad and unsocial and try to manipulate me with a dirty mind. I feel very alone. Can i established myself without any lobby?
Did you ever have a job? I am a couple of years younger than you (with similar credentials), and I worked for 10 years before changing careers. What do you mean by "establish" yourself? Millions of people have jobs without reservations. What lobby are you talking about?
@@TheIanPandasir i woked in a call center for 1years. But since childhood i dream about big and biggest it relate with my astrological statement i. g. I want to be worlds best real estate builders and i want to remove all our poverty. But family members and people and friends call me" apne aukaat pe rah" actually i was too much sensetive brahmin and eatarnal visionary type. My brif question is can i establish myself at top notch puriest top level of heirercy of establishment and remove all our curse? I am not a native English man. If i write wrong. Please pardon me.
@arghyabanerjee3255 - Honestly, I don't understand what you're trying to say. You dream of being a real estate builder but the only experience you gained was at a call centre. That doesn't sound like effort now, does it? But hey, I don't know your story. As for your question, your choice of words seem problematic - "Brahmin", "purest", "hierarchy" - I don't know what you want to achieve and I don't know if you can achieve it - but if there's anything keeping you from moving towards your dream, it is lack of effort in the right direction. Caste has nothing to do with it. Look at it this way, knowing the reservations that are applicable in various fields, do you think that if you got those reservations, you'd be successful - doing exactly what you've done so far?
If this is so good Why don’t we have a reservation in the Indian Armed Forces Or The Indian Cricket team Because there you need the best of the best Who have proven their mettle So why compromise on quality elsewhere?
The video is not about specifics of reservations. Where to offer it, where not to is up to the government to decide. I am discussing the idea of merit that savarnas harbour which completely disregards the existing inequality and it's effects on scoring capacity of people.
Let me give u answer as i am from backdround 🎉🎉see their is no need , Understand NO NEED 🎉🎉then also Assam rifles, ICG, have reservations and they are performing well🎉🎉
Does reservation anyhow help in reducing discrimination? Isn't it high time to reconsider our affirmative policy? तुम्हे क्या पता जब दिन रात एक करके JEE में 93% percentile लाओ और फिर भी अच्छा कॉलेज ना मिले वही दूसरी और 46% percentile पर cutoff clear करलो और मस्त कॉलेज में एडमिशन पाओ
Sure. Become an MP and try to review it. That's how democracy works. Now to answer your first question - reservations are designed to increase representation and access for people who were denied the same, and if not for compulsory reservations, will be denied the same now as well. Now for your cut off argument - read the SC judgement where they said "Marks are not Merit" - clearly my video couldn't explain it that well, maybe the Supreme Court will clarify it for you.
Isn't it the work of the Institution to make someone meritorious and help then realise their potential and to unlock it ? Thats my issue with this top institute stuffs. And how can achieving good marks in a certain exam judge someone's merit when there are patterns and shortcuts and tricks to get higher grades.
@@TheIanPanda yes it's a better truth but it can be prevented in next generation if parents are well educated and raise their children with moral values
Sir mein schedule caste se belong karta hoon, college mein jab Ganesh pujaa ke baad dawad Diya Gaya, mein plate batne k lye plate jab hath mein liya to jo PT /yoga teacher they unhone mere hath se plate khich liya binaa kuchh kahe our jo mere dost gair dalit dost mere pas thee unko bhi dantaa, tab se mein naa Ganesh Puja mein gaya naa Saraswati Puja mein ab mein khud ko nastikta mein bilin kar Diya,,,
@@TheIanPanda ap ke soch our bichar jis tarah se bikasit hai ,,,, ussi tarah se agar hamare desh ki noujaban bhi sochne lage to jarur paristhiti mein sudhar ayega sir,,, ap ke manavta badi soch our bichar mein hum bhi samil hai our ap ke sath mein hai sir,,, dhanyawad.
You are arguing that upper castes have generational privilege, mentioning that your great-grandfather was a school headmaster, and you assume that all upper castes had this generational privilege. However, this category of generational privilege represents a very small minority among UCs(mainly Brahmins). In fact, even many Brahmins who adhered to their traditional ritualistic roles remained uneducated and, as a result, poor. The same applies to land-owning castes like Marathas, who hardly had access to education. In terms of educational privilege, they were often in a similar position to Dalits. Some people might argue that land owning caste had economic privilege, but this can also be challenged, considering that the average income of farmers in India is around ₹10,000 per month. Thus, the reality is that most people in India, including the so-called upper castes, have not experienced generational educational or economic privilege. In summary, while those who had generational privilege were all were upper castes, not all upper castes (in fact, the majority) had this privilege. Reservation, in essence, is merely shifting a very small percentage of lower caste individuals into the privileged category, and that’s it. It hardly addresses the core issue of casteism. Casteism isn’t just about Dalits and Adivasis; in my village, for instance, there are Yadavs and Gauds, both considered equal in the social hierarchy. However, Yadavs are a minority (7 families out of around 100 Gauds), and the Gauds discriminate against them. Casteism is a deeply ingrained social issue rooted in people's long-held beliefs and perceptions. It can only be effectively tackled through intercaste marriages and by urbanizing the population as much as possible.
Brahmins who are 5% of the Indian population hold 34% Government jobs and the general category occupies 75.5% government jobs even after 50% reservations for SC, ST and OBC communities. SC and ST communities comprise about 25% of the Indian population but fail even to get represented in 15% of public institutions. The above paragraph is taken from this article: www.youthkiawaaz.com/2022/08/reservations-arent-enough-we-need-a-change-of-sectors/ Read it - it blows a hole in your idea that upper caste people do not have privilege. Your idea of privilege itself is skewed because you don't know the kind of lack of privilege experienced by the so called lower castes. Generational privilege is not just about headmaster jobs, it is also about owning land, or having educated relatives. Reservations are not a solution to casteism, but rather a way for people to get representation in spite of the effects of casteism.
@@TheIanPanda I think you missed my point, I have problem with you like people that you put all UCs in the same bracket.There is drastic class divide present in UCs like in other communities. There is hardly any realation between rich Ucs with poor UCs other than this sahab- naukar relation. You live completely isolated from poor UCs. In UCs also we have pyramid like structure. Majority of them are at bottom. While top at the pyramid enjoy this privilege and grab all the key positions in government, media, business. Like your family, which is enjoying this privilege. See bhai, the artical that you shared says that 41 percent of property is owned by 18 percent UC. This property is not uniformly distributed among UCs. It will definitely have pyramid like structure where majority of these 18 percent will have very minimal share. Deccan herald report says that 40 percent property is owned by 1 percent, See means 17 percent UCs have just just 1 percent share then. The thing with you guys that UC people that you see in media, films, business, high government officers are coming from these 1 percent (like your family). Then you will say look all UCs are so privileged. Because you are seeing only 1 percent. Remaining 17 percent are invisible to you. So please do not include us (17 ℅) in your argument that UCs had privilege Say we are the minority among UCs(1℅) who have this privilege. Deccan herald report. www.deccanherald.com/india/indias-richest-1-holds-40-of-wealth-inequality-rising-since-2000s-study-2944893
@tLyartysshjakedk - This video is not about economic inequality. I address that issue in different videos. This video is about caste inequality. The poor UCs that you're talking about did NOT face discrimination ever in their life because of their caste. And that is the reality. I don't know what you want to gain by arguing otherwise.
Lovely. But just one question. If you want the best outcome quoting the supreme court here that marks are not merit, what would it really take for this country to produce the best scientists, doctors, vets, economists, engineers, teachers? Shouldn't there be a system or some guideline which actually measures skill and expertise? I have scrutinized and sorted several post graduate students when i worked as a guest lecturer in physics and I absolutely second that marks are not merit. If I may add, at least in Karnataka rote learning is THE way and for obvious reasons upper caste candidates have been brow beaten into memorizing and more generally I find that girls definitely show a higher photographic memory. When the real test of understanding the subject or the test for akill arises the outcome is quite shocking and shaking
Thanks for watching the video. Marks are not merit - that's in context of people who are the first ones in their families to get an education and hence, don't have the advantages of upper caste people. This video is not about the education system per se, but the fact is that merit never goes unrewarded. A candidate might miss a seat in IIT and might instead get a seat in an international university. No point in crying about the efforts made to uplift backward communities.
I have friends from almost all categories. I never knew this caste system upto 10th . But as I started preparing for Neet I came to know about my friends' castes and the idea of casteism. If you say that reservation is due casteism. So let me fix you that casteism is due to reservation. Where a well educated person is also bound to get to know about caste system thanks to reservation he faces.
Aur joh tumhare poorvajon ne caste system chalaya tha, woh toh bade aaraam se ignore kar diya. Jo seats reserved hain woh tumhe tumhara haqq lagta hai - that's proof that given a chance, you will also enforce caste discrimination and keep those people sidelined.
@@TheIanPanda What do you mean by saying * tumhare * ??? It means you lied in the video that you belong to generals...... Wth bro? ? Why misleading people Better stop now else it becomes big issue for you.
@Hyunjin.is.a.tree115 Arey, mahagyaani. I don't believe in caste. This tactic of pointing some arbitrary detail to divert an argument is a very old one - and is often used by people who have nothing worthwhile to say. Tumhare aur mere bhi - khush? Chomu!
@@TheIanPanda He is always ignoring the historical reason for this kind of system, if he does include it he is gonna loose the argument, instead he is basing everything on his personal life ( I have this , I have that, but I don't care what happened in the past and I will think ill of other people once I get power to do so) and one thing you might have missed is, people always use the word "Bhemte" to talk negatively people assume all SCs are Bhemte and are anti Hindu or smt, which is not the case if this isnt discrimination, that what is ? and if these people Do not Respect Dr Ambedkar then idk what to say, they say people leave country becuz of reservations but the matter of fact, British respected Ambedkar for his work and life. these people are not even doing this he tried to solve the problem they created, and now they have problem with the solution also
You are 100 percent correct..i agree with everything you mentioned in your video..but i do have a different take here. Reservation is not the answer...it is just a lazy mans quick fix. As you rightfully stated in the video depressed classes are suffering from social inequality. This has caused a lot of insecurity in their minds and loss of confidence..to put it in simpler terms upper castes dont respect depressed classes. They simply look down on them...i believe reservation is enabling this in our modern society. What i mean is that...in order to force someone to respect you...the only way is to beat them in their own game. History has taught us that weak are never respected...the depressed classes need to get stronger...and for that reservation is not the only answer. Because you are still at the mercy of the strong. Ill give you an example...now think of a guy coming from poorest section of depressed classes who is suffering from lots of social disabilities placed on him...yet despite all that he stood up against all the oppression and competed on equal footing and became one of the best in a particular field...now in that situation people are forced to respect him. Even if they don't it doesn't matter cause he is above them. Best example of this is... ambedkar he literally forced people to acknowledge him. Reservation in jobs mainly is actually not letting depressed sections reach thier true potential because their career exploration is being narrowed and only focussed on getting a government job...i mean reservation is incentivising it. But it is inhibiting their innovation and imagination. By giving reservations in the form it is given today...it is just indirectly saying you are not capable to reach a particular target so we are giving you a smaller target...now doesn't that effect a persons psyche?...this surely breed insecurity among people... instead we need a model of reservation which screams to people " you are nothing less than perfect"..."you are quite as capable as them". A model which raises the confidence of people. Gives them enough support so that they can take up challanges head on.
Your whole take ignores the idea of social capital and the effect discrimination has over psychology and academic performance. It also ignores the basics of the caste system. If you take away the reservations, the upper castes will quickly edge out the backward castes from jobs and education. "Beat them at their own game"? How? Ambedkar was an exception. There sure will be some stories like that - but most people will still stay marginalized. Reservations have been given to give them representation - in a system which would otherwise won't. The playing field has never been equal. And it never will - not until representation has been given for generations, so that the backward castes also have enough social capital that they can compete with the forward castes properly.
@@TheIanPanda I am saying reservation in current form is kind of regressive...i don't think it is effectively increasing the social capital formation to expected levels. Even within marginalised classes there is a lot of divide. The benefit of the reservation has not been uniform. This is breeding inequality even among depressed classes. What good is reservation in higher education and jobs when people are not even having proper amenities in their initial stages i.e primary education, nutrition, health( physical and mental wellbeing) , housing. It is like saying to someone " yes you have the worst life with no basic necessities....and yes you also have a low social status....so inorder to compensate for that we will just reduce qualifying marks and criteria nothing more. You should be content with this... nothing much will be done to get to the root of the problem and do something about it. This current form of reservation is enabling economic mobility but not social mobility. I don't think the former will necessarily translate to the later. But i believe within the next 2 generations we will not be having any kind of caste disabilities being imposed on people. I can clearly see change for good... except for marriage people aren't really caring for caste at least in urban areas...i believe this will slowly translate to rural areas too. Older generation who are rigid in their thoughts will die off...soon. Btw i am writing this with an open mind....i am happy to have a look at your take on it.
I disagree. A Mishra from Bihar will still be treated like a bihari in Mumbai and an iyer will be treated as a Madrasi in Mumbai where is the social privilege
Mumbai? What's with people thinking India starts and ends with big cities? I talked about the country as a whole. And the fact that you know that Mishra and Iyer are Brahmin surnames proves my point. Bihari or Madrasi is regional identity - caste exists irrespective of that.
@@TheIanPanda I said those so called brahmins don't get any privileges at all. Infact no one recognized their so called high social status at all. Their caste doesn't get privileges at all irrespective of whether it exists or not.
You're saying this in the context of Mumbai - or from your personal and narrow purview. India exists beyond Mumbai and beyond your line of sight. Caste discrimination is real - even in Mumbai. The social capital gathered by forward castes is also real. It is just difficult to see when you're too close to it. Nobody lifts Brahmins up on shoulders and celebrates them - that's not the kind of privilege I am referring to. The privilege is in contrast to the discrimination - a lack of discrimination is a privilege. Access to education for generations is a privilege. Access to an educated social circle is also a privilege.
@@TheIanPanda go ahead, now talk about Bihari and Madrasi privileges of a brahmin in Mumbai. All I am saying is there so called privileges don't matter overhere. FYI, they were also beaten by the local Gundas. Wherr the bloody hell is their privilege. Why it wasn't working when they were getting beaten up ? You chose to see the other way.
This video is about something else. And you seem to be fixating on something else. Some specific incident in one city in India doesn't take away the relevance of a topic that pertains to the whole country.
I somewhat agree to your arguments, but i still feel the "Reservations" give unfair advantage to few undeserving candidates over a lot of deserving ones. I myself belonged to an OBC however I started using using General Category starting XII class boards. Coming from a humble farmer family my father managed to complete a diploma back in his days got a government job (after a lot struggle, back then as well). This gave us siblings opportunities for better education and interaction with wider range of society. I never felt any oppression by my peers or their families. I have friends with diverse social and economical backgrounds, be it Bramhins, Baniyas, Kshatriyas, Muslims, Gond (native Tribal of MP), or SC (dont want to mention the surnames).I agree that their thought process are affected in general towards cast system that existed. But as an individual i dont remember it affected our equations. I was welcomed in their homes with equal warmth and vice versa. Now to give another perspective my uncle , although coming from the same background and conditions as my father, did not study and remained a farmer. And then failed to provide the same upbringing to their kids, and I can see the difference in social and economical difference between us. In short, they are not doing well. I have few more such examples among my friends, some were good in studies (doesn't matter if they came from higher class or lower in terms of cast or financial status) are doing better then me (since i was just an average student) in private sectors . But few who had reservations are doing good despite lacking the aptitude (obviously in government sectors). They got the edge over those few who had the aptitude and aspire to be in govt sectors but did not have the reservation on their side. A very good and dear friend of mine, who had both of his parents working in Schools as Headmaster and Sr teacher, and having an NT reservation to his side, is still struggling with his life since he too lack the aptitude and aspirations for higher studies. He got the seat in a very prestigious engineering institute, but did not complete the engineering, where as a lot of other who were definitely more deserving then him could not clear the cutoff. And that I think is unfair. I understand that there may be still social discrimination exists in parts of the country, however to which degree that I leave up to everyone discretion. Also I would bring the point where the individuals who have successfully taken the advantage of servations for betterment of their social and economical conditions, should then give up that status for their future generations, so that they could compete with others as equals. And other deserving person who does not have the same resources xan take the advantage to bring themselves up the social ladder.
There is much more to say but it's already a very long comment. I just shared my personal experience and opinion. I myself don't think giving up your cast status (SC/ST/NT/OBC) is a very great deed. I feel It's just the way to blend into society, and eradicate the cast system for future generations gradually.
There'll always be examples of some people who might or might not need reservations. But your personal experiences don't cover the whole country. Legislature items are for the masses, not just a few. Like I said, us knowing people's caste means we have discrimination deep inside our psyche. When that ends, the need for reservations will also end.
The problem here is, when seats are reserved in educational institutions, the people who are most likely to get it, in any category ,are rich urban upper middle class students, who have never faced discrimination. I am from general category and my counterparts from SC/ST categories are much wealthier than me and live in major cities, and hence have no clue that caste system exists. They also get fee waivers while my less wealthy friends in the gen category have to pay up the entire fee amount. In short the problem is that the people who benefited two generations ago and lifted their families out of casteism are still the ones benefitting. The people who are opressed continue to be opressed making reservation useless. There can be financial restrictions on reservation or also generational restrictions. As a bhramin from Bengaluru I am sure that there is no casteism practiced in cities since at least 2 generations.
Yes it does exist but not on the same grand scale so what's your point? Even after almost a century the destructive ideology of Hitler lives on, racism against blacks is at an all time high, hinduphobia is the new trend and Zionists are the punching bags, my point is I've lived long enough to see two sides of the same coin, the first side my cousin sister being married to a sc and my whole family supporting her, it didn't even occur to me that anything was weird when my cousin sister was getting married, hell I didn't know the first thing about caste until I entered the competitive zone, the other side was same caste discrimination I saw between fellow schedule castes and I found out about this when my sc friend, who used study with me in coaching declined to even sit with a fellow student from his same caste, this shows that instead of caste which is birth based, a new type of discrimination is arising that is between the rich and poor, my conclusion is that you can never really eradicate the thought process and how people think and with how much hindus have changed in these last few decades, we are truly the only one that even have a bit of scope for changing@@TheIanPanda
I am also Brahmin from Bengaluru, what you saying bro casteism definitely exists that is looking down on SC ST people. But other points I agree it does hurt when someone financially much better than you gets college fees waiver and other such benefits. Yes they are rich and they are discriminated by some other Brahmins and upper caste but why we innocent and poor Brahmins have to suffer for others mistake
paroxymal7688 - How are you suffering? Discrimination is happening to others. You are treated well everywhere just because "you are Brahmin" which is an arbitrary differentiator. You have to pay fees while someone who has faced discrimination for ages and still does, doesn't have to - this doesn't mean you are suffering. Your poverty is misfortune. Their poverty (and mistreatment) is because of all of our ancestors. So, tell me how you feel that you are suffering here? I am not trying to undermine your financial status here, just pointing out that reservations and affirmative actions are not given to change someone's financial condition. Once you get that, you will stop resenting them. Also check out my other video on this - I think the title says caste census.
CASTE already DIVIDED THE HINDUS LOL! That's why they are still converting despite given caste reservation benefits. Ever thought of why there are still so many Dalits who convert to Buddhism or Christianity? It because the discrimination is so much that even reservation wont be sufficient enough for these people!
If reservations are a form of representation then the communal award of 1932 would have been established, and the Poona Pact would be considered a negative development.
In a discussion about reservations today, you are talking about 1932. You do remember that 1947 was when we got independence and 1950 was when the Constitution came into effect, right? What is this bizarre whataboutery!
@@TheIanPanda Sir, I mentioned it to show you the other side of the coin. The Communal Award would have created a rift in Indian society, which is why we opted for the Poona Pact. Similarly, current reservations are causing divisions in Indian society. Individuals who have gained generational benefits from reservation continue to take advantage of them. When will this stop? Initially, reservations were caste-based, then gender-based, and now they are for financially disadvantaged people. Next, Agniveer is in line. There is no end to this , only political parties are getting benefits not the people.
Leo-hd5dz - I only talk about caste based reservations. EWS quota and Women's Quota are a different topic. There's a basic confusion about caste based reservations. It has no bearing over the people's financial condition. Isn't it true that they are still called Dalits even if they are IAS officers? So, clearly, reservations is not "solving" the caste divide. What it is actually supposed to do, is give them enough representation in mainstream society, that they build social capital over a period of time. This representation is not a charity that savarnas are doing - but their right which was withheld from them for hundreds of years. If the playing field had been the same, then their representation would be similar to their population ratio, but that's not the case now, is it? And it's not creating any conflict - the problem is with savarnas who think reservations are their rightful seats being "given away" - this is why they try to use all this creamy layer logic to argue against reservations.
@@TheIanPanda At least you acknowledged that reservation is not solving the divide. First, regarding the creamy layer, it is there and it exists, you just don’t want to see it. I haven’t seen a single story about someone publicly denouncing reservation benefits after they have already taken advantage of them. Suppose a Dalit IAS officer's child attends the best schools. Trust me, he won’t face any discrimination because his father is an IAS officer, and kids don’t care about caste and all that nonsense. But then, when CBSE asks him to fill out his board exam form and he mentions that he belongs to a certain caste and wants to avail himself of benefits, from that day on, his discrimination would start. This will become more pronounced after he and his friends appear for competitive exams. So, his discrimination was not because of his caste but because of the reservations he took. That’s why in IITs, it seems there is discrimination, but in reality, the reason is that a super-rich kid with half the merit is getting admission. The same goes for IIMs and medical institutes. That’s the reason for discrimination and that’s where creamy layer should come in the picture
@Leo-hd5dz You didn't understand my reply and just doubled down on your original point. And no, children also discriminate - you might not have seen it happening but it does. Anyway, if you want reforms to reservations, ask your local MP to push for it in Lok Sabha - that is if you know who it is. Because some people just voted for PM candidates. Ha ha.
The reservation excludes Brahmins in areas in which they are under-represented such as education and employment. Brahmins oppose reservation to achieve goals such as bridging inequalities in employment and pay, increasing access to education, and redressing existing injustices, prejudices or obstacles against Brahmins. The reservation purely targets the Brahmins by discouraging them for increased participation. Brahmin drawback is the societal drawback that disadvantages Brahmin people over non-Brahmin people in societies, if they are under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Current innocent Brahmin people must not bear a collective responsibility for the harm which had resulted from historical casteist treatment of people belonging to other groups. Discrimination against any individual on the basis of their Brahmin origin is unjustified. Reservation is discriminatory, discarded meritocracy and is driven by lower caste vote-bank politics.
And what research are you basing this on? Brahmins are represented quite well - more than their population ratio in both jobs and education. Get over this victim mentality. Brahmins have no dearth of representation.
People are represented not the communities So let the best people have a chance to work hard and represent themselves Irrespective of the community they belong to
Well that Discrimination you mentioned could exist in your area. But it has *completely* finished in my area. Students in my coaching proudly tell that they are gonna get a seat via reservation. People here are proud enough to write *son of chamar* on their bikes. If casteism not all over India then why reservation? Why do my SC friends have to celebrate after getting 490 marks in tests and why do I have to cry seeing my 600 marks?
STOP BLANTANTLY LYING just because u want to win an argument! I have never seen anyone write chamar on their bike as much as I have seen many flaunting their Brahmin/jaat caste behind the back of their cars!
You completely missed the point. The general category holds approximately 15% of the population. However, most government jobs are occupied by individuals from the general caste. Additionally, a significant number of high-ranking positions are allotted to higher castes. You can easily find the statistics by searching online. Displaying caste names on vehicles is something typically imposed by the upper castes. It’s not valid to say, "I am a proud Brahmin, and my friend is a proud Chamar, but he still can’t match my level because I am superior by birth." Understand that the upper castes have exploited oppressed communities for thousands of years. You can’t claim that 78 years is enough time for them to catch up. Education is still relatively new for the oppressed classes, and it's only the second generation that is getting the opportunity to attend school.
When i was in class 5 the upper cast people were used to make fun of me as i belong to lower cast they used to tell me you eat camel , buffalo and etc but i am totally veg but they were bhraman and they used to eat egg and call it is not non veg😂 and they also used to target reservation and mocks me indirectly but one time I gathered my all courage and they were 2 or 3 and i fought with them and later complaint my teacher. Can you imagine this is a mindset of a student who is studying in class 5 this represents from which type of family they belong. I promise if the cast descrimination ends in every corner of our country the reservation will also end but this is impossible 😔
Such is the power of conditioning. We can only hope that in the next few generations, people will stop believing in this caste nonsense and try to be better.
But sir, what's the point? People like you and me can't make much of difference when all the power and resources are concentrated in the hands of few people who are only thinking about themselves and the people of the country who are too stupid to see that because all of it is happening under the veil of religion and it's a sin to question the religion? Isn't it? Education is important. But who is willing to learn? I come from a poor family. My great grandfather was uneducated. My grandfather studied till high school. My pa became a professor. I am an MBBS student. But except my family and a few others in the entirety of the village, I don't see anyone who wanted to study. My father pulled my cousin out of the village so he could get a better environment. But nothing happened. He did get into college but he didn't do anything. Nothing at all. He became one of those who just carry a degree blaming the system at how incompetent it is for it to not be able to give jobs to even the educated people. It's pathetic. I have judged this environment so many times and never have I found a single reason to stay in this country. Please let me know your views. Have a great day. May you be blessed with wisdom. 🙏
Damn, Ajay...you went in a full rant. But I understand - I too have often felt nihilistic with the state of things in the country. But, you have to believe that things will get better. And if they don't, you'll be a doctor - any developed country would happily let you move there. You can't change others' minds but you can make sure that you are the best you and that you never stop talking about the right things.
@@TheIanPanda Hehe I also didn't know I could rant 😅. And while it's true that as a doctor any developed country would take me in if I show them enough but I am still hesitant. I want to see this country develop in every way. I want to see the people educated. I want to see India not being ruled by just religion. I want to see the people understand others more. I want to see India filled with love and compassion for every other human instead of what's currently going on in India. Divided by religion, race, caste and whatnot when these all are meaningless. *sigh* Thanks for listening, sir. I hope your thoughts will reach all so they can understand.
All you or I can do is try and change things in our circle of influence. If you can get one person to listen to reason and be better, that's a move in the right direction. I hope you stay and make this country better.
It's all right man, Salute! Highlighting that you're a Brahmin in between the videos will open the eyes of the privileged community because most of them gets offended when they find you on the other side
Ha ha. Although, that wasn't my intention. In the "Dalits face discrimination" narrative, I am just telling the savarna side of things - where I have seen the discrimination happening. The Dalit side of the story is not mine to tell. Thank you for your support though.
How reservations should or shouldn't be implemented is for the elected representatives to discuss with the people and decide. I talk about the basic concept of reservations and try to clarify the savarna confusion about it.
@@TheIanPanda hmm i have few suggestion 1st increase in no of seats will go both for sc st obc and gen like there are hundread seats so if we increase seats by 40 per then sc st have 8 more seats and genera; 32 more seats this can go with collages 2nd make passing cretria little hard
@krishna.the8avatar - Won't that be the ideal solution? If the government were able to create enough seats in education and enough employment for everyone, India would be paradise and there won't be any discontent whatsoever.
@@TheIanPanda thats right but caste system needs to be destory fully in bihar my home state there is so much castiesm exist its not about employment its about make sc st people make part of us make them equal
Caste discrimination isn't going anywhere. That's the sad reality. All we can do is expect that the oppressed groups get enough representation to counter the effects of caste bias.
Reservations are about giving representation. Over time, if there's enough representation, it will counter the effect of existing biases in hiring and selection. The biases won't go away unless people make actual efforts to understand and acknowledge that there's inequality and it is wrong.
i completely disagree with u here , reservation does kill merit an d the reservation which is given to ews and obc is just a lollipop given to the respective community. our constitution talks about the fraternity,liberty, equality but if we focus on the equality in terms of job and education then how is it equal because a hardworking student in neet ug exam of 2024 even after getting a good marks like 630 or 650 is not getting a medical; college even under the state quota where as those belonging from the sc and st community are getting medical college in state quota even in 300, 400 and 500 marks moreover the age limit for these community has been also increased, for eg in assam don bosco university and rgu of assam there are a lot of rich st students coming from the rich family they do party and all and even if they are scoring low in their final academics they ar bragging a government job in high post where as those who are scoring higher then these reserved categories are again forced to run in the same rate race. how this justify the equality please debate on this. even after completing neet ug this reserved category again take resrvation to clear neet pg where as those ur category students even after getting a good rank are unable to brag their dream branch. #reservation kills merit
You wouldn't be making these arguments if you had ever faced discrimination of any kind. Equality cannot exist if there's already discrimination in a society. The problem with people with privilege is that they often ignore the effects of their privilege. Having never faced discrimination is also a privilege. Your hard work was also complimented by the peace of mind that comes with a life of not being discriminated against and generations of access to education. I suggest you should read up on these topics before giving gyaan with such fervour.
But the people that needs reservation does not even know about it They dont recieve the benefits I have seen a SC family running a cloths iron shop and they could not recieve reserved certificate for anything without the bribe they cant afford, their daughter is still trying to study hards for exams but couldn't crack them Isn't this unfair?
@@invisible..__ education Some of them know, some don't But the families that need it will not receive benefits due to corruption of officers Not to mention that 50% of those officers are also from reserved category
These observations are all anecdotal - and have no value. Assumptions like 50% of officers are from reserved category shows ignorance. A total of 180 IAS officers are selected every year through the Civil Services Examination conducted by the Union Public Service Commission. In the 2023 CSE final results, 180 IAS Officers were selected, out of which 73 belong to the General category, 17 from EWS, 49 from OBC, and 27 and 14 candidates became IAS Officers from SC and ST categories, respectively.
What will you say 60-90 % reservation, that generala people tolerating, on basis of caste, economy status, locality like maratha,east-indian, some central university collage give theire collage student 40-50%reservation above the reservation given by 60% govt . what now generala people do , he not able to get admission in his dream collage event he got top 100 student, because theire is nearly 100 percent reservation
The top students don't crib about reservations. It is the mediocre ones who think their right is being taken away due to reservations. That mentality needs to be checked. Look at it this way - even now, the unreserved seats are way more in percentage than the general category in population. So how is it unfair? It is like your competition is only with other general category students for those seats. (If seats were not reserved, I'd get it - is a wrong argument. I've explained why in this video.)
rajkumarvishwakarma478 - Marks are not merit. Watch the point made by the Supreme Court, before deciding that your quip was very smart. It is a difficult concept to grasp for the upper castes who fail to recognise their privilege. If these people were even remotely equally represented, then there would be no need to make provisions to increase their representation. Anyway, tu rehne de. Tu troll kar aur nikal - tere samajh mein nahi aayega.
hinduism was never about caste system. varna changes according to occupation but unfortunatly it was evolved into caste at the time of british. sanatan is about:--- "karma:-- sum of good and bad things" it's about :-- worshiping everything and everyone like air, mountain , people as god is in everything. it's about :--- believing in reincarnation:--- we believe our good karma would give us good next life. it's about :-- moksha :-- to connect to divinity within oneself. It's about freedom to worship or not worship a god but still be a hindu if you believe above things. And yeah in descrimination become less and less after 2010. and it is all time low after hindutva movement in recent time.
Thanks for watching. I am open to suggestions. Caste and reservations are such vast subjects - there's only as much you can say in a few minutes. Do text me the topics you want me to cover - maybe I'll speak about them in future videos.
It is all right that they have reservations in upper level of jobs Scale A or scale B ..to uplift there people...but why in scale c and scale D jobs..does it is going to make any difference..This will not change there status..they will be still stuck them on that status .and reservation in higher level of job give them representation of there society so they could get there view in making policy..........and what about reservation on panchayat elections it kills democracy.... What about reservation on medical exam..it should be based on merit .so that we can get best doctor.... What about reservation crossings 80 percent in bihar based on census..it creates a think of increasing population.. You tell about genetic advantage..what about those who are from upper caste but weak in studies... Your mindset is different from your grand mother it means you are experiencing high competition because there generation does discrimination...but you didn't does this can reduce reservation in future with your grand children..... Trust me sir you can't answer any of them but you can only try....
I don't need to answer any of your questions, because you didn't understand the point of this video at all. You're still approaching reservations as if it is your rightful seats taken away and given to others. Watch the video again, try to understand it beyond your biases - read what the Supreme Court said, try to understand it and then pose these questions. My video itself is the answer to your questions, you just didn't understand it.
Typical savarna misunderstanding. Reservations are not supposed to end caste identities - they are supposed to increase representation of the folks who would otherwise be kept away through the systematic discrimination of caste. The increase in representation is meant to help them gather the social capital that savarnas have - so that one day, they have enough social capital to nullify the effects of the caste discrimination.
@TheIanPanda this is shifting goal posts at this point. Many of us have good real life examples of how Reservations are now actually being used and utilized by privileged individuals, I myself came across one of my classmates during masters who had more generational wealth than boht my father's and mother's family combined who used Reservations.... that was the point I got disillusioned regarding this system. This and the way it's being used as political tool.... even privileged castes like jatts, patels are asking for Reservations....? If merit won't be respected in this country the best minds won't want to stay in this country..... We don't feel this system is just.... no matter how you twist words or arguments in its favour..... a couple years back you would have found me defending Reservations with similar arguments you mentioned....but I have seen enough to know this system is flawed And to add another point.... the young generation who has grown up without experienced caste discrimination not at home or in schools when they reach college and find folks who get their scoring significantly less marks.... this then turns into another kind of discrimination and bias which just defeats the purpose of harmony I am very sure there are other better ways to get affirmative action implemented. But Reservations is just a curse
@praneet2468 It's laughable when people quote their individual experience to make a case. You know the world doesn't all exist in your line of sight, right? You having seen something doesn't make it the absolute truth all across the board. Watch the full video, read what the apex court has said about "merit". Also, I'm sure some privileged folks might be getting reservations, but the fact is that even they face discrimination. Wealth has got nothing to do with it - and this I can tell you from my personal experience.
@TheIanPanda I'm not sure it would be that laughable for a family that is struggling to get ends meet and is in dept just to support their livelihood. Further , I don't think I have come across a person from a historically oppressed caste who does face such issues get the proper affirmative action in education or govt job. And the thing that is actually laughable is the politicization of caste and reservations. I can understand the representing of communities in administrative and managerial posts in govt institutions. But in medical colleges?! In scientific institutions..... does it make any sense? That to talking of increasing the cap.... having it in private sector.... The most laughable thing about this argument is, folks thinking more than 40% reservations in any sector is a just thing to do..... even EWS reservations are being used by people who are not actually "economically backwards" By the way this is my individual experience, and just like me there are millions of individuals in india. We are still thriving.... what else do we have, we don't have generational wealth like many "underprivileged and discriminated" castes do..... so we do our best to survive until the politicians take that away from us too.... Any way you put it or however you mock people, one can not justify a system that is so flawed that it can't even do what it was meant to achieve.....
@@TheIanPanda do read the Supreme Court judgement to atleast fathom the demerits of current system. Hope it'll make you wiser with the ground realities of caste discrimination in the country.
Mera naam confusing hota hai logon ke liye - toh baap ka naam bata doon - Ashok tha mere baap ka naam. Panda surname Odisha ke Brahmanon ka surname hota hai, btw. Ye alag baat hai main caste ko nahin maanta par socha bata doon, tumhare mann ka vehem door ho.
I've faced discrimination in my college when professor said ' tum logo sc - st ke ho nahi padhne se v chalega aur reservation ko gaali die '. In odisha , belpahar degree college
@@TheIanPandaWhen I became the district topper (Jharsuguda district), everyone saw SC written in front of my name and many people did not believe it, then the perception of my college batchmates changed. My surname is Chhatrapal, they believe that I am from general category and their attitude has changed and after knowing my caste, some classmates started teasing me, and I stopped talking with them forever. It's hurt but yahi reality h .
@ujjwalchhatrapal6862 - Kudos. Anyone acknowledging caste in today's day and time is an accessory to discrimination. Interestingly, my grandfather used to say - "The top posts are always vacant!" He meant that if you're the best, there'll always be a place for you at the top. You have proven that. I wish you all the best. Btw...do you speak Sambalpuri then?
@@TheIanPandayes , mate sambalpuria aysi , and Tamar deep thinking k mui acknowledge karsi , I hope tame future thi society ke nua rasta adaku nei kari ja 🫡
@ujjwalchhatrapal6862 - Society change Kari parmi ki nai, kie jaane bhai. Bas mann ra katha kahebar chesta karsi. . I miss Sambalpuri. I haven't lived in Sambalpur since like 2007, and all my family passed away by 2019. It's good to talk to people in your mother tongue!
