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Messiah-Ben-Joseph: Joseph Smith is the Fulfillment of an Ancient Jewish Tradition w/Hannah Stoddard 

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Hannah Stoddard, Director of the Joseph Smith Foundation, joins me to discuss the Ancient Jewish prophecies and traditions surrounding the Messiah-Ben-Joseph, his life and mission in the last days in preparation for the Lord's Second Coming!
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@ilvmp
@ilvmp Год назад
I saw the title and I thought cool. Then I see that Hannah Stoddard is in it and I immediately click on to the video. I always enjoy hearing her perspective.
@JennieFur47
@JennieFur47 Год назад
Hannah - your testimony at the end filled me with so much fire. I will be one of the thousands who will defend Joseph Smith!
@DavidJones-pu7qs
@DavidJones-pu7qs Год назад
If you'd like to defend Joseph Smith, against someone who doesn't believe he was a prophet, I would happily, and respectfully be all ears.
@geraldmartin3841
@geraldmartin3841 Год назад
Hannah is the best. But if you want some basic truths about Joseph Smith, I'll be glad to talk with you.
@JennieFur47
@JennieFur47 Год назад
@@DavidJones-pu7qs The best place to start would be to look up the RU-vid channel “A Thoughtful Faith” by Jacob Hanson. He released an episode this week titled “Was Joseph Smith a Con Man?”
@DavidJones-pu7qs
@DavidJones-pu7qs Год назад
@@geraldmartin3841 Thanks, I'd be happy to. I've studied a lot about Joseph Smith, and I've heard a lot of things Hannah has said in his defense. It's hard for me to take her serious when she just dismisses people like Fawn Brodie, and Richard Bushman, as unreliable sources. Not to mention this "messiah ben Joseph" which I have never heard applied to Joseph Smith before this video. It's my understanding that Jesus Himself is the one and only messiah. Coming once as the suffering servant, and will return as the conquering king. There would be no need for a #2 guy. I know that might be a lot to throw out there but I'd appreciate any clarification you could provide.
@ivelissejimenez2344
@ivelissejimenez2344 Год назад
This message came right on time. I started visiting the church and I haven't read the book of Mormon yet.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Welcome! I'm glad you found this video helpful. I love the Book of Mormon and I have a testimony of its message as another witness of Jesus Christ. I'm excited for your journey! Let me know if you have any questions along the way. I'll be happy to help!
@Jan-wd1is
@Jan-wd1is Год назад
The Book of Mormon is such a treasure, It is a true record of the people who came from Jerusalem. Best wishes on your journey to discover truth!
@Debbie62
@Debbie62 Год назад
This is incredible to hear. You will find unexpected peace and many parallels when you compare the teachings of the Book of Mormon to today’s problems because it was written for this dispensation to help prevent us from making the same mistakes. Moreover, the Holy Ghost will tell you in your heart and soul of its truth if you but ask. I have a replica 1830’s Book of Mormon and it’s my most prized possession in life other than my family. I wish you the best with your journey!
@joshua.snyder
@joshua.snyder Год назад
It is 19th century fan fiction written by Joseph Smith to try and solve his financial and legal problems and mend a rift in his family reputation. Don't waste your time.
@rconger24
@rconger24 Год назад
Hannah Stoddard is worthy of our attention. The Joseph Smith Foundation should get more play.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Agreed!
@benzun9600
@benzun9600 11 месяцев назад
Hannah is so smart and well read. Nice to listen to her
@johnbarton7159
@johnbarton7159 4 месяца назад
This was so good, I had this very question just the other morning, I was looking into this very subject for hours yesterday and bam 💥 this shows up today on my feed out of the blue. Fantastic Thanks Hannah and Jacob!
@JamesLStoddard
@JamesLStoddard 10 дней назад
From ine Stoddard to another, Awesome!
@TVT99
@TVT99 Год назад
This is a really important subject. Thanks Jacob and Hannah. I agree wholeheartedly that we need to be very discerning in these last days. Efforts abound to diminish the name, role, character and testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith. We need to ensure we do not fall prey to this devious trap of our enemy. When Moroni said to Joseph that his name would be had for both good and evil among all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, it is evident that this prophecy would even apply - perhaps especially - to those inside the Church. I have found that those who are loyal to Joseph's special call are sustained by the Lord in very significant ways. Joseph was - and is - a prophets Prophet. We need to comprehend the greatness of the restoration that came through him. It is an astonishing work. The spirit of prophecy and revelation attends those who come to know for themselves that Joseph is the choice Seer - the Messiah Ben Joseph prophesied of. I hope we will share this message in clear and undiluted ways - our salvation depends upon us receiving the word through Joseph because this is how we demonstrate that we receive Christ in our day. The people in the time of Moses could not accept Jehovah and at the same time denounce Moses. To accept the messenger is to accept the Master than sent him. I have so much more I could say on this. I love Joseph and I love the Lord that commissioned him! Keep up the great work.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Amen! Thank you for sharing. I'm glad you found the discussion valuable as we did!
@MreeGdwn
@MreeGdwn Год назад
Wow. Wow. Wow. I really enjoyed this interview. Thank you for sharing your testimony at the end, very powerful. Hannah, as usual is/was amazing. I really appreciate all you do 🙏🏻
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you for your kind words. I agree Hannah is awesome!
@ensignj3242
@ensignj3242 5 месяцев назад
We are deeply indebted to the Stoddard family for their defense of our faith and exposing Leonard Arrington and him minions.
@Debbie62
@Debbie62 Год назад
I really enjoyed listening. Thanks to both of you for providing it. We live in very uncertain and trying times and Satan is doing his best to trick us into becoming non-believers because he knows what's coming and that his time is almost up. Therefore, we have to be strong by holding on to the iron rod and following the prophet's guidance in all things as we continue to listen to the promptings of the Holy Ghost. I know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, and he was foreordained to fulfill the great mission of gathering Israel and bringing us closer to the teachings of our Heavenly Father and His Beloved Son, our loving Savior. I look forward to the day when I can look brother Joseph in the eyes and thank him for everything he went through and did to make the gospel possible, and I know he continues this work on the other side with Hyrum, Father Smith, and the others that he served with during his short time here on earth, and I leave this testimony in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Amen. Thank you for your testimony!
@Rudyard_Stripling
@Rudyard_Stripling Год назад
This presentation was invaluable to me, I have received a testimony of Joseph Smith really for the first time which is very powerful and awe-inspiring and I understand now so much better just exactly what he accomplished and what his mission was, it really is miraculous. Thank you very much both of you!
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
That's awesome! I'm glad you found our conversation helpful 🙏
@mmkvoe6342
@mmkvoe6342 Год назад
Yay!!! This is Kari Avery, by the way (Hannah would know). I really have probably never heard of Messiah Ben Joseph until now (maybe one mention sometime somewhere), but all these things you discuss about verses and what they mean, and Joseph and who you really can't escape finding out that he was if you spend any time reading his own words, and the fact that his own blessings haven't all been fulfilled yet, and the Rough Stone Rolling book lacking the Spirit, and the thought and feeling coming to me just in the last month or so about standing up for him, and the work I put in and my own experiences of being given a testimony of him several times over several years, and seeing specific acquaintances specifically stating their opposition to Joseph Smith and my feeling absolutely called upon and totally prepared to defend him forever now based on one mention on their side haha...all of this is familiar and timely for me, and I'm so thankful that you covered it all! I so love being on the same page with people, unity and Zion and all of that is so real and necessary and so many people hate it for whatever reasons and just don't understand it. I'll tell you one person, out of all people I've ever heard, who is on record as standing up for Joseph Smith is Elder Neil L. Andersen; if anyone in the world is not going to back down from his understanding of all of this and loyalty to it, it's him. I've learned a lot from him about it. Anyway, as Hannah said, it's always time to pray, and ask the Lord how else I can be part of this. I've been pondering and coming back to some scriptures since I was 13 and never really talked about them with my family or anything, although we talk about everything gospel all the time. Where are our thousands? And I've said for years whenever I finally get to have some kids of my own, I don't know about any other sons yet, but my first son is going to be Joseph; and I will definitely work to teach my kids to be part of the thousands. I just stumbled on this podcast tonight and it's fun that I actually know Hannah.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you for sharing that! I believe many are feeling that same influence of the spirit and being prepared to defend the church and kingdom of God and His prophet, Joseph. 2 Kings 6:16
@commoncents5191
@commoncents5191 Год назад
I read RSR and agree that it lacked the spirit. I feel like discernment is needed to see past the agenda. I learned a lot about what JS suffered and the detailed opposition. I’m amazed by what he accomplished. One cool thought that came to my mind while reading RSR was that Joseph would sometimes receive revelation that took time to be understood.
@kimhaughton3771
@kimhaughton3771 Год назад
Chills! This is a topic that I've never been taught but I can feel the truthfulness of your words. Thank you for your testimony! Spirit felt!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
@robertjensen4525
@robertjensen4525 Месяц назад
Hanna you have so much knowledge of Joesph Smith and the Book of Mormon I enjoy so much how you present any subject it makes things make more sense. I enjoyed listening to you and your husband on Rod Meldrum podcast but you weren’t aloud to speak and share what you knew. Thank you
@rustytaylor258
@rustytaylor258 Год назад
Everything that Hannah and Jacob have said about Joseph being the Messiah Ben Joseph dove to ails perfectly with my studies. This is so important as the voices in the world and some within the Church are trashing Joseph. I don’t know why I was given a believing heart but when I heard the lessons from the missionaries at 16 yrs old, I knew that they were telling me the truth. I felt the truth. And when they talked about Joseph Smith being a prophet, I figured that if God could talk to men in ancient times, why couldn’t God talk to a man in modern times?! I have since learned so much about Joseph from the records of those who knew him best, and about God keeping His ancient appointed times even today and so much more. I can’t wait to meet Joseph! I hope to be there at the meeting at Adam-Indian-Ahman!! Glory to God and his Son, our Redeemer and Savior!!
@rustytaylor258
@rustytaylor258 Год назад
Adam-ondi-Ahman - stupid spell checker!!
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you for watching. "Millions shall know brother Joseph again!"
@Jan-wd1is
@Jan-wd1is Год назад
This is one more outstanding program What you said about Joseph is what I said when the Missionaries asked if I thought Joseph was a prophet. I was at a Baptist college in Louisiana when I was Baptized. I really am So glad you did this with Hannah. It touched me in a deep way. I definitely want to read her books. I also have a returned missionary who has left his temple covenants and the church bc of what he read online.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you for sharing this. I'm sorry to hear about your returned missionary. Hannah's family have put together some great books, articles, and videos for all sorts of topics, but my favorites are their Faith Crisis series. I highly recommend them! I hope you can find value in them as well.
@Jan-wd1is
@Jan-wd1is Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment Thank you🥰
@johnbarton7159
@johnbarton7159 4 месяца назад
I agree 100% with what you said at this first about Stoddard’s research into their books. I have read them, and people should read them to open their eyes and see things as they really are, especially in areas about Church history. It is to bad “Deseret Book has chosen to go down another path … in many cases…
@ZealouslyStriving
@ZealouslyStriving 4 месяца назад
I was fortunate as a youth 30 years ago to have a SP counselor who would share the JS=MBJ regularly when doing events with the youth
@robinbyrd4430
@robinbyrd4430 Год назад
Awesome Talk!!🥰🌺🙏🏽
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you!
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
I cannot believe how much this has been suppressed. Others who talk about much less in our church get way more views. I'm so grateful I came across this! I never realized how little I knew about any of this!! I hate the demoralizing of Joseph Smith and the outright attack so many have put out there, both in and out of the church! I recently discovered that I'm a descendent of both Joseph and Hyrum Smith and of John the Beloved. My Patriarchal Blessing was very interesting. A 4 page one with so much, and I know that I have much more I need to do in this life to help establish the Kingdom of God and find the tribes of Israel. But where do I start? What can I do to help? And, can I just share that I strongly feel that Joseph and Jesus were not just close brothers, but best friends and Joseph promised Jesus that he would do anything and everything that the Savior would need done to help bring His kingdom on earth and be the one who stands by his side in the last days when Jesus comes again.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you for your kind words! It's amazing how many members of the church aren't aware of this topic. Yes We all have an important role to play in gathering Israel!
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment thank you, Jacob. BTW have you read "Book of Mormon; Key to Conversion" by Glenn L. Pearson? It's very short but to the point and amazing and powerful. It really helped me in my mission in bringing many souls to the truth.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I haven't. I'll have to check that out! Thanks for the suggestion! 🙏
@jeffreykinney8086
@jeffreykinney8086 4 месяца назад
I caught this a year late, but a gem well worth waiting for. I liked and subscribed to your channel today my young brother. Your testimony was mana. I adore Joseph Smith, Jr. Also, thanks for having Hannah on this cast, the girl is a genius, right?
@zionmama150
@zionmama150 Год назад
1:35:10 I had a dream that President Nelson came to me and called me to the Middle East on a mission. When I woke up, I pondered on the dream and realized that the Lord wanted me to study about the Middle East culture and religions and since then I have joined a few groups that have helped me learn about Judaism and Islam. It is very interesting what I am finding. I hope I may use this knowledge to help God’s children some day.
@Thehaystack7999
@Thehaystack7999 Год назад
I have been looking into this lately, mainly by hearing Rabbis speaking on the subject. I made a video as sharing my thoughts and then found you two already spoke on this and it’s amazing! I since listed this video in my description for others to see, thank you both again!
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Wow that's awesome. Thank you! I'll check out your video.
@Thehaystack7999
@Thehaystack7999 Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment mine isn’t as detailed, one thing I mention that I hadn’t heard from other LDS sources is that descendants of Jacob and Esau are reunited through Joseph, symbolic of Jacob becoming Israel after Joseph is born and then greets Esau in gladness. As if peace could not be had until after Joseph was present. This meaning that the Saints will bring together the Muslims and Jews and peace can not be found without Joseph present. I still need to look up all the sources in the Talmud, but our connection with Muslims is great, even Joseph studied about the “Mohammedans” and admired them.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
This reminds me of Elder Orson Hyde's dedication of the Holy Land!
@sherryhyde565
@sherryhyde565 Год назад
Absolutely loved this episode! l found out about you from Watcher Palmer and so thankful for the beautiful truths told here! Gods Speed🌿
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed this episode!
@bryanl.taylor6249
@bryanl.taylor6249 Год назад
Thank you for your thoughtful discussion. This is something I will need to study more. I seem to remember Ben Joseph referred to by a new Jewish convert in My visit to LA this summer who was baptized after many years of marriage to a faithful Latter-day Saint. Both were highly intelligent. They brought up their family in both faith traditions.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thanks for watching! That's awesome. Sounds like you and your new friend have some great topics to talk about!
@brendamartin3444
@brendamartin3444 Год назад
Every year for four years Moroni came and spent the day teaching Joseph, Joseph knew much more than we think, or give him credit, for knowing… just read Joseph Smith scientist to see the tiny bit he taught about the Universe that he understood…
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
Will you have Hannah on again for a Part 2??
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Yes! We don't have a date in mind since she's really busy but she expressed interest in coming back. Any topics you'd like Hannah and I to cover?
@williamthompson9969
@williamthompson9969 Год назад
I appreciate the fact that comments are not turned off! Interesting!
@harpersmith3599
@harpersmith3599 9 месяцев назад
Amazing. Thank you!
@zionmama150
@zionmama150 Год назад
2:00:40 wow! Well, I’m starting to see so many people make youtube channels based on defending truth. It is beautiful. 2020 we all woke up.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Hopefully, that trend will continue, and we'll see more people willing to share their testimony of the Savior.
@zionmama150
@zionmama150 Год назад
1:40:54 oh this makes d&c 107, 84, and 63 make SO MUCH MORE SENSE!
@NebjosaMeier
@NebjosaMeier Год назад
I really began to see things differently when I began to question those whose only doctrine is who is in charge rather than what's right or wrong.
@pitelf3852
@pitelf3852 Год назад
i dunno just the shear amount of opposition to Joseph testifies to his position .
@journal.revival
@journal.revival Год назад
Amazing and insightful interview! Our stake patriarch is also in the temple presidency. What an amazing man. The previous patriarch in our stake came and spoke to the youth in my ward and mentioned that patriarchs are given a small handbook when they are set apart. Have you come across any additional info about that?
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Probably not much more than info than what you already know
@ZealouslyStriving
@ZealouslyStriving 4 месяца назад
Jesus and Joseph have been working together since the beginning- see Jacob 5
@andreaashfordd
@andreaashfordd Год назад
Where can I learn more from Hannah/the Joseph Smith Foundation about Messiah-Ben-Joseph? Is there a particular book or documentary about it?
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I know at one point they had talked about writing a book about it, though I'm not sure what the status on that is. They may have some articles about it. Otherwise, there are a few good scholarly articles about Messiah-ben-Joseph published by BYU some years ago
@halodisciple8459
@halodisciple8459 Год назад
They have a RU-vid channel, Joseph Smith Foundation. I believe there are links in their profile description
@ensignj3242
@ensignj3242 5 месяцев назад
Knowledge is power and knowing who the apostates are helps.
@gabrielm6551
@gabrielm6551 2 месяца назад
Ironic 🤔
@JennieFur47
@JennieFur47 Год назад
I would love to do a presentation on this for my stake youth. Please share any websites or other resources I should like at specifically?
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I would start by acknowledging that these are ancient Jewish traditions that are highly disputed amongst religious jews and scholars and that we don't know for certain the extent of the specific traditions in their original context. As far as resources go, the JST of Genesis 50 along with 2 Nephi 3 are the clearest scriptural examples/prophecies concerning Messiah-ben-Joseph (as fulfilled by Joseph Smith). Next, there are a couple resources I can point to that give a good overview of the traditions themselves: a video by Latter-day Q&A entitled "Messiah-ben-Joseph:Evidences, and a scholarly article published by BYU called, "Messiah Ben Joseph: Ancient Traditions and Legends of the Prophet Joseph Smith" by Trevan G. Hatch. There are others, but that should give you a great foundation.
@twinangels9352
@twinangels9352 Год назад
Wow! I was researching the satanic temple bible and your right. I saw a car with the Hebrew satanic pentagram and I started researching it.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I know, crazy right!
@brendamartin3444
@brendamartin3444 Год назад
Are you that prophet? I have taught my children for decades that they were asking if John was Joseph Smith!! 💗💗💗
@hollayevladimiroff131
@hollayevladimiroff131 Месяц назад
Jesus is our High Priest; He is the reigning Priest over the house of God. The entirety of the believer's life can only be lived in the light of the priesthood of Christ. The Priesthood is the perfection of mediation and Jesus is our great Priest and mediator. He is sufficient, He is all we need, nothing more.
@twinangels9352
@twinangels9352 Год назад
This was enlightening, Joseph smith was is known world wide as good and evil, how fitting that god would make the whole world know that Joseph smith was second SECOND! To jesus christ in works. 14 year old boy saw god and jesus christ, clearly in pre existence Joseph was among the gods.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Yes! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I don't think many members of the church have heard of this topic before but it's certainly an interesting one.
@twinangels9352
@twinangels9352 Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment it needs to be taught, and I'm pretty sure as we get closer to Millennium and receive more doctrine, I bet this will be on it. I like being ahead of the curve.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
@@twinangels9352 me too! I can't wait for all that will be revealed. I'm really looking forward to the brother of Jared's record!
@smaug3045
@smaug3045 Год назад
Take deeper look into Joseph Smith and the real history.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
@@smaug3045 I have, thanks.
@LatterDayPup
@LatterDayPup 10 дней назад
Will you and Hannah respond to The Backyard Professor’s response?
@zionmama150
@zionmama150 Год назад
1:24:16 i have a list I have been compiling about this dates of Church history on Jewish Holidays. I would love to share my research if you are interested. It is way more significant than people realize. To the very day the pioneers crossed the frozen Mississippi on dry shod and also the pioneers entering into the SL valley and also the day the Transcontinental Railroad was completed.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I'm always interested in topics like this!
@brentteague910
@brentteague910 Год назад
🎶‼️🎶
@zionmama150
@zionmama150 Год назад
I listened to a Jewish Rabbi about a year ago and it is VERY clear that Joseph Smith IS Messiah Ben Joseph. I wonder if David A. Bednar is the Davidic servant (one of the four Messiahs, or annointed ones) of the last days before the King of Righteousness appears to the whole world. Maybe I am wrong, but I have had experiences wondering and pondering this. I had an impression in high school that David A Bednar would one day be prophet. I had the same impression about Pres Nelson, and he is the prophet. 49:55
@justjamie7577
@justjamie7577 3 месяца назад
So since we will have two Jerusalems will we have two kings? Jesus Christ reigning in the east and Joseph Smith reigning in the west?
@robocop1800
@robocop1800 Год назад
From talking about patriarchs. I don’t know if this is any help. My patriarch, talking with him before he gave me my patriarchal blessing, he said the office of patriarch or the duty of the patriarch will eventually fall on the father. Meaning it will be the father who will bestow patriarchal blessings on their children. Not a patriarch who is called in the stake that we have today.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
Thank you. Yes, I believe Joseph Fielding Smith expounded on this in the Doctrines of Salvation series.
@rockynanach
@rockynanach Год назад
Remember in the Garden of Eden there were two tress. One of eternal life the other the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That is the root of the two messiahs.
@neldonjohnson3033
@neldonjohnson3033 8 месяцев назад
I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish. It is important to understand what J.S. Accomplished. This is a great work regarding the salvation of man. No one c,an even imagine the great work that he was responsible for. But he didn’t do the work gevin to messiah Ben joseph. So you would require that work to be done by a immortal being or reserected being. God has never used a reurected being to accomplish a work reserved for a mortal being. The greatest work done is the work done by messiah Ben David. If his is the greatest work and it was required to be done by a God with ability to die. So I will tell and testify to that a mortal man will be accomplished by a mortal man. As great as J.S . The work of messiah Ben Joseph.
@Jan-wd1is
@Jan-wd1is Год назад
Didnnt Christ say in the Book of Mormon say There was no greater Prophet that Isaiah? Maybe that was because Joseph was in the future and hasn't prophesied yet?
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
3 Ne 23:1 the Savior says, "great are the words of Isaiah". I think this implies that Isaiah is a "great" prophet. He also said that John the Baptist was greater than a prophet!
@alantomlinson5740
@alantomlinson5740 Год назад
Interesting discussion. I think there is an error in Hannah's interpretation though. She is correct that Messiah Ben Joseph is Joseph Smith, but Messiah Ben David is not Jesus. He is the Davidic Servant identified in Isaiah and elsewhere. He is likely to be the same character referred to as the One Mighty and Strong in D&C 85.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
If you read through the mishnah and other jewish oral histories it makes it clear that the davidic servant/messiah ben david is the servant who is mentioned throughout Isaiah and elsewhere- that is correct. But this messiah ben david IS Christ, himself. The official position of not only the church, but christian and jewish historians is that all major traditions associated with messiah ben david point to a servant who is made the infinite atoning sacrifice for israel and the only servant through whom Israel is forgiven and brought back into the presence of the Lord.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
As to the "one mighty and strong" in section 85- Joseph smith wrote a letter implying this as bishop partridge. This was clarified in an official church statement in 1907. Though, since then many have continued to speculate who this might be. The predominant theory is still that this is Christ.
@alantomlinson5740
@alantomlinson5740 Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment that cannot be. It is clear when read in context that it wasn't Bishop Partridge.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I'm just telling you the what the official church statement from 1907 says
@alantomlinson5740
@alantomlinson5740 Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment which completely contradicted previous statements by church leaders including Brigham Young and Parley Pratt.
@DavidJones-pu7qs
@DavidJones-pu7qs Год назад
1:00:55 The gospel is become like God?!!! 😲 The gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The only place I see" become like God" is genesis 3. That's what the serpent said to Eve. So who's taking God out? Honest question.
@brentteague910
@brentteague910 Год назад
This comment was noted on hearing ... and the digesting of it within the full context of her statement ... meaning there is NO THING that God has ever, more clearly, used than the Gospel to convey all of his character to all of humanity ~ it is through this conveyance and that to which we all must turn to face our Heavenly Father, in relationship, through the gospel ~ to worship God ... whose essence of being is wrapped within the context of the fullness of the Gospel ~ his good news, for all.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I totally agree that the Gospel IS the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ (His death, burial, and resurrection as mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:1-4). The PURPOSE of that sacrifice (aka The Gospel) is to redeem us from sin and sanctify us so that we can be brought back into God's presence to dwell with Him for eternity AND to become like Him by becoming "perfect even as He is perfect" (Matt 5:48, Col 1:28). Through the Gospel of Jesus Christ we become "heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ...that we may be glorified together" (Roman's 8: 14-18) or in other words, that we "might be partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:1-4). 1 Cor 15 also goes on to give detail regarding the differences in glory to be experienced in the resurrection of all men depending upon their faithfulness to God and His Christ. In most modern Chrisian theology, the idea of becoming like God is called theosis or deification.
@DavidJones-pu7qs
@DavidJones-pu7qs Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment Thank you for a very well worded and well referenced response. Matt. 5:28 is a beatitude speaking about the perfect love of God (agape), even to the point of loving our enemies. Romans 8 speaks of adoption in Christ. Adopted children are not natural born children, but received as though they are. I guess if you believe in apotheosis, or deification, you may draw those conclusions about those verses, but according to Philippians 2:6, only Christ Jesus, is equal to God, and He took our form as a bondservant, in the likeness of men, to be that perfect sacrifice for us, so we can be adopted into being children of God, through faith in Him. I don't see "deification of us" in any of that. It sounds very luciferian to me. He wanted to be like God too, even above God. So where is the line between "become like God", the way you're saying it, or "imitate Christ" the way I might say it, and literally "become a God" like Lucifer?
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
We LDS do believe in a deification process. We also do not believe that we are totally separate "species" from God, but are rather "the offspring of God" or, as C.S. Lewis put it "Gods in embryo." I understand the hesitancy to see this belief as anything other than luciferian to use your term. After all, it was Lucifer who desired to BE God and receive all the glory for himself. We adamantly reject the notion that deification in the purely LDS tradition would grant us any glory or authority equal to or greater than the Father. Rather, our belief is that we will continue to progress in being perfected in all of the attributes that he has under His guidance and direction and by complete unity with Him and the Son. We also believe that God's glory continues to expand and grow for eternity- that is to say, every moment of His existence, by virtue of His continued/ neverending creation of "worlds without number" and children to populate them, etc., He will always be growing in number of creations that are both evidence of His power and love, as well as, glory. Despite our becoming like Him and entering into divine relationship with Him, He will always be our God whom we worship and serve. At NO point will we ever stop worshipping Him even into the eternities. Satan sought the glory and power for himself, seeking to usurp God's throne, so to speak. Truly, this is antithetical to the divine plan of God and the purpose of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@DavidJones-pu7qs
@DavidJones-pu7qs Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment very interesting. So the shema (deut 6:4) speaking of the oneness of God, which would include the Son, and the Holy Ghost, as part of the Godhead, you wouldn't be that of course. I guess I'm failing to see how anything besides that, which I would call the Trinity, can be equated to as Gods or anything like God. Isaiah 43:10 says "no God was formed before Me, nor shall there be any after me". I'm sure this discussion has been had a million times and I appreciate your time and dialogue.
@kentskoien7583
@kentskoien7583 Год назад
So, back to the basics: Moroni gave us the key to research that will give the right results didn't he ? And if ye shall ask with a SINCERE heart , with REAL INTENT, having FAITH in Christ, he will MANIFEST the truth of it unto you by the POWER of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of ALL things. In his talk : Revelation for the Church, Revelation for our lives; Aprlil 2018, president Russell M Nelson outlined how the inspiration from the Holy Ghost is obtained. Our current prophet will always be our best source of truth and safety.
@lindakessler7167
@lindakessler7167 Год назад
Somewhere I heard that gay people have whole wards just for them. Is that true and how do I find more information. Thanks
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
I haven't heard that before, so I couldn't confirm if that's true or not
@PilatesAnne
@PilatesAnne 11 месяцев назад
How did you miss the fact that he never practiced polygamy or taught polygamy? He actually fought it.
@gustavoabalos3783
@gustavoabalos3783 3 месяца назад
good!! but your statement to start the show are to long!!!
@zon3665
@zon3665 4 дня назад
Messiah ben Joseph has nothing whatsoever to do with the prophet Joseph Smith. LDS should never make the mistake in assuming it does.
@StevenRetz
@StevenRetz 5 месяцев назад
Messiah ben Joseph is Yeshua first coming because its patterned after Joseph of Egypt.
@mathewmusic4919
@mathewmusic4919 Год назад
I just hate the church can't keep there story strate, can't keep there ordinances the same, if it's a revalation of God. Then why go back and forth with things. Just look at the garments. They went from full coverage. And joseph saying that they can't be modified for it was from the lord. Then as soon as he died. They changed the length, then the material, then they went to shoulder straps. The current church is so far from what joseph taught its a shame.
@magapefarmshomestead6453
@magapefarmshomestead6453 Год назад
Let's please not label the Isrealite people as just the Jewish people.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
The traditions surrounding Messiah-ben-Joseph may have started with the house of Joseph. However, the beliefs surrounding those traditions were not largely consolidated until several hundred years after the time of Jesus, and into the middle ages, specifically by Jewish rabbis and scribes. As an aside, it is no slight to those of other Israelite tribes to use the term "Jewish" to refer to specific sets of religious and cultural practices and beliefs that were largely determined and promulgated by the southern kingdom of Judah. Indeed, even today, were you to meet people from other tribes who were practicing the religion of their ancestors, Judaism, religiously speaking, they would be referred to as "Jewish".
@theemptyatom
@theemptyatom Год назад
So 1 guy gets 10 wives and 9 guys get none, makes sense
@elizabethsmith9182
@elizabethsmith9182 Год назад
Oh, look. It's the Incel atheist guy trolling someone else's channel with the exact same comment he has copied and pasted on other channels. Given how concerned you are, Incel, over better men than yourself being able to marry while you fear being left out in the Lord's social order, I sincerely hope you don't own a large collection of firearms. Look, if you find yourself wanting to get your psycho on, seek professional help. We don't need anymore incel rampages. Oh, that's right. You aren't an incel because you have eight kids and supermodel wife. (wink) Here is what you need to do, anti-Mormon incel bro: lose weight, keep by "The Word of Wisdom," take regular showers, repent of your sins, get baptized, endure to the end.
@theemptyatom
@theemptyatom Год назад
@@elizabethsmith9182 You guys are pathetic with your weird accusations. So I guess you define an incel as someone who is married to only one wife, like me? And you define someone as an atheist as someone who does not agree with your bizarre rock in a hat fake prophet takes on the bible?
@theemptyatom
@theemptyatom Год назад
@@elizabethsmith9182 allowance does not equal approval - it may be legal to do many things but that does not mean they are okay Genesis 2:24 wife, not wives New Testament, 1 Timothy 3:2, 12 and Titus 1:6 list being “the husband of one wife”, not as many as you can collect per some 19th self-proclaimed prophet from NY who claimed all sorts of things that can't and will never be proved. Cults are notorious for twisting whatever they need to twist to justify whatever they want to justify. Do you drink poison and play with snakes too? The Gospel of Mark says you will be protected? I mean, there are some good folks over in Kentucky who would use the word of God to prove it, no?
@jacbox3889
@jacbox3889 Год назад
Hannah just saw you on Midnight Mormon's. Please go get your neck checked. It looks like the lump has grown. This show was a few months ago and it's not as noticeable.
@ClintThomsen
@ClintThomsen Год назад
You need to spend less time ruminating and thinking out loud and more time listening to your guest.
@ClintThomsen
@ClintThomsen Год назад
@UC-WoTmY6w80FaTpWEgLYlvw boy, you take feedback Like a champ. That’ll be wonderful for your channel.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
What would make you think you're entitled to tell me what to do for my channel? Your delivery was hostile from the start.
@ClintThomsen
@ClintThomsen Год назад
@@ByWayofCommandment I suppose I should have started with something like “I wish you’d…” You can run your channel however you want, brother, but that was my main takeaway from this interview. Take it or leave it.
@ByWayofCommandment
@ByWayofCommandment Год назад
@Clint Thomsen I wish you would have delivered your request differently. To be honest it felt like a a very condescending demand
@howardedward5339
@howardedward5339 Год назад
I have never seen any prophet receive as much attention to himself as Joseph Smith. Every prophet and apostle in the bible declared the one true Messiah/Jesus, AND THEN THEY GET OUT OF THE WAY. Except for Joseph Smith, he keeps getting exalted.... almost sounds like satan.
@flintliddon
@flintliddon Год назад
Jesus Christ is the messiah ben josph. And also messiah Ben David. Joseph smith was just another false prophet sent by the enemy.
@brentteague910
@brentteague910 Год назад
...flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven ... upon this rock I will build my church, my body, my kingdom... (Matt.16:17-18) ... we love you ... ... we pray for you ... ... that through the Holy Ghost revelation will be placed within your heart within your mind, and within your very own soul, which God has given to you to care deeply for, and to nurture in love ~ that your own spirit may bear witness to the truth of all things ... Ha Shem Ha YahShua Ha Maschiach 🕊amn🕊 amn.
@flintliddon
@flintliddon Год назад
@@brentteague910 have no clue what your point is. If you are Mormon i pray that that the darkness that Blinds your mind will be lifted.
@brentteague910
@brentteague910 Год назад
Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. {The Word of The Lord}
@GospelGirl1Cor15
@GospelGirl1Cor15 Год назад
Joseph Smith, a false Prophet. Apostle Paul wrote, “Though we or an angel in heaven preach any other gospel, let them be accursed.”
@latterdaycovenantliving
@latterdaycovenantliving Год назад
What are your thoughts on the nicene creed? Obviously we will disagree but we believe Joseph teaches the doctrine from BEFORE the creeds and is more in accordance with Paul then most of Christianity. If you can see it from that point of you might understand why we don’t believe he is a false prophet even if you don’t come to the same conclusion. We will follow Christ as best we can and he will have many things to teach EVERY denomination when he comes again.
@sherielink601
@sherielink601 Год назад
Did the holy ghost reveal that to you or are you just basing that on a scripture?
@DavidJones-pu7qs
@DavidJones-pu7qs Год назад
This girl Hannah literally said "the gospel is, become like God" at the 1:00:54 minute mark. First of all that sounds like the serpent in the garden. That's satan's gospel. That's a different gospel than Paul preached. Hannah, satan, and even Joey Smith, are who Gospel Girl, is saying "let them be accursed", according to Paul. If you want to know the real gospel, look at the rest of her screen name, 1 Cor 15:1-4. That's the Holy Spirit inspiring Paul to write that scripture.
@GospelGirl1Cor15
@GospelGirl1Cor15 Год назад
@@sherielink601 it’s scriptural.
@GospelGirl1Cor15
@GospelGirl1Cor15 Год назад
@@latterdaycovenantliving Jesus tells us to follow Paul to follow him today. Our doctrine is from Paul’s epistles. We’re saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves. It’s the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9. I like 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 because it’s the saving gospel for today. I’m not sure the entire Catholic creed is biblical. It does say some things correctly but I know Catholics think they have to work their way into heaven which is a false gospel. Hope that helps. Be blessed! ✝️❤️
@iDad7276
@iDad7276 Год назад
But is she a Christian? I hear her always talking about Smith, writing about Smith, and loves to talk about herself and her dad. Joseph Smith was a man and the worship of him by the Cult of Joseph Smith Foundation is Very Very concerning. She acts like it helped her family. I would not go that far. She is horrible to her mother and lived as a surrogate spouse to her father. Very very disturbing family cult. More and more of her followers leave the church than she realizes.
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