META QUEST 3: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly 

Nice, if im right, the shipping of the byfrost vr gloves are being shipped. Cant wait until i see a review from that!!!! Btw love your vids!!!!! :D

I got my quest 3 today

One of the things that I wish wasn’t true but is, is that the developers of Blade and Sorcery Nomad said their not gonna release a updated quest 3 version which is super upsetting to me. I love Blade and Sorcery and wish for just better graphics. Really upsetting point for me

Thank you

VR is dead. No good games

a shared boat

Guys trust me get a proper headstrap. Bobo ones are really good and affordable.

Yes and make sure you get extra extra batteries for that head strap.... like 3 of them or four if you can afford it, I gotta put in order to today for two more extra batteries

Your first headset? Well dang, welcome to vr! A lot of people have lists of games, whether you're into physical exercise, puzzles, shooters, a few platformers, that new co-op dungeon crawler looked pretty awesome! I'll always recommend Blade&Sorcery, the pcvr version if you can.

Just to give you a heads up, if you get motion sick, don’t give up on vr, you’ll get used to it.

Factor in the idea that the company is selling £100 upgrade headstraps and you have your answer

True, I only own 1 headset (og htc vive) and too lazy to use it more than 5 times a year cause how heavy it is

Comfort is way harder to show as marketing number specs than resolution or camera count.. 👀💰

@@jsivonenVR so true. It’s all gotta come from reviewers. But we can all agree that the beyond looks absolutely comfy compared to the toasters we use

It's weird that Thrill had such a bad fit. I've got WAY more Neanderthal Brow than he does (c.f. PFP) and I find the Quest 3 to be the most comfortable between the Index, Q2, XR Elite, Quest Pro, and Q3... I was super concerned about the fabric strap (I ditched the Q2 strap for an order with KiwiDesigns on Day 2), but I don't have the slightest inclination to change it. It's WAAAY better than the one on the Q2. Oh, and I have the eye relief all the way *in* - with my eyes as close to the lenses as I can get them... Different people definitely have different heads - even when they'd describe their heads the same way!

just in case you leave your headset in your pocket by accident

​@@laurenpinschannels Fair

​@@laurenpinschannels Best comment

@@laurenpinschannels you can, i just tried it with mine and like 90% of it fits in my pocket.

No peak vr will be full blown fov.

I'm curious how good the Apple headset's mixed reality will be. From what I've heard, it's very high quality and probably more of what you expected.

The lenses are really the biggest upgrade, you have to try to understand

@@ggadams639 Agreed. I'd recommend trying it out at a Best Buy or a similar store that would have a demo on display.

have to agree. I like my Q2

@@ggadams639 Lenses are pretty good on 3. they should have done that with 2 as well

Competitive beat saber players would generally shake their head at inside out tracking. Just not accurate enough. And ideally not wireless play. Wired to pc (not video stream like quest)

@@walker2006au a large percentage of the competitive community is on Quest 2 over link.

@@LoganTheobald fair enough. Id say that's alot to do with the cost/accessibility. Even if it's a small advantage, proper tracking would help. I'd be interested to see setups of say the top 100

​@@LoganTheobaldand now with growing popularity of Beat Leader you can play competitive standalone, which is overall the best experience on Quest, tracking is perfect.

@@Fiztex553 good not perfect especially if hands go behind back

Or, I know it`s a brand new and not very common concept, but hear me out, allow backwards-compatibility with Quest 2 Straps, since they are almost identical.

@@shippy1001or make a adapter for it I’ve seen people make their own through a 3d printer on Reddit wish someone sold them I’d buy em lol 😅

​@@jamesmoore4856Bobovr have a retrofit kit to make their M2 halo strap fit the Q3, which is a welcome addition

​@@shippy1001 They're not though, the headset and strap areas are shaped differently, and the Quest 3 strap area has holes for the charging passthrough. Not saying they aren't similar-- But am saying so are most our phones, and not like every phone case fits each other-- they have slightly different designs.

That's kind of just the issue though-- Some people find it comfortable, some people don't-- I've already watched a couple reviews that said it's far more comfortable than Quest 2's default strap setup and they enjoy it, while other said it was far WORSE and gave them headaches. The elite strap would help-- But overall, all headsets fit different individuals differently, and It's not an easy problem to solve, what's pleasant and comfortable for one person, could be Agonizing and Distracting for another.

And quest 2 mixed reality has improved recently

It's really weird seeing this perspective from everyone. My brother got me the MQ3 out of the blue, raving about how cool it is. I keep putting it on and finding that it's so boring, I don't enjoy the controls or interface of everything, really turned off how even with wide fov, everything still seems way too shoved in your face or way too far out of view to the left and right. not enjoying having to snap my head left and right for everything or crank my head way up or down. Controls are generally horribly clunky and annoying for almost everything. Literally no games that I found are worth the chore of dealing with the whole VR experience for the entirety of a whole game. I feel very bad, this is just a subpar, sloppy, boring and annoying way to game, I'm giving it back to my brother so he can get his money back. I don't want it, I don't enjoy it or care about it in the least. I turn it on, mess around with it for 10 minutes and I'm like oh right, now I remember why this is a crap experience. It's like taking gaming and going well out of your way to make everything annoyingly cumbersome and clunky and not only that, literally everything in the app store is generic crap wanting desperately to be as appreciated as actual good games and apps that don't need VR to be enjoyable. Just not for me. What a truly unfun experience in literally every aspect possible.

Those settings sound useful in retrospect but I can see many people refunding the game or leaving bad reviews after messing with the settings and thinking the game is just unplayable (forgetting to undo them). Would require a proper "Experimental Warning: May cause the game to not function optimally" prompt as well as a Reset settings to default button.

I haven't use it in a while now, but I bet Eleven Table Tennis would be great like that too.

Yeah! So many youtuber have sold out for event invites and free stuff. Walking and talking paid for ads.

Right! Straight cap, just to get more traffic to his discord.

Anyone asking about the giveaway got banned, so nobody would ask about it anymore, i think they are just hoping people give up / forget about it tbh.

Coming up on 3 months actually. Was kinda wondering about that. I've been looking forward to the giveaway, but now I'm not sure it's still going to happen. And I came here so I don't get banned for asking about it "again" though technically I never personally bugged anyone. A mod jokingly replied he ate it, and that's the closest thing to an update I've heard.

I saw that same thing. I never said a word in order to avoid getting banned for even mentioning the giveaway. I straight up believe it was all a lie and just banned anyone who made noise about it 3 months onto 4 and still not a peep. Just bs xbox game p😊ass giveaways, lol

Man, I thought people had forgotten about this. I'm glad to see some comments about this! I wonder if he will ever address this.

As a quest 1 user it pisses me off people are complaining about the price when we paid $500 for this quest 1 dog shit

Never used quest 1, so i don't know the battery usage. But having the meta quest 3 myself, the battery usage is quite intense. Can't play more than 3 hours even plugged in pc or wall. So just keep in mind that if you buy one, you might have to buy accessories to play longer...once third parties release em

@vestio I still use quest 1. It has OLED. All the new versions used grayed out led.

bro I remember upgrading from the q1 to quest2, shit was totally worth it, can only imagine q1 to q3.

@@benedictcumberbatch4275 tf are you playing bro the quest 1 is literally bricked rn bc it's outdated

Yea! This is my first headset too. I definitely have not played as much because the disorientation is pretty bad and it lasts for hours, but that’s just because I’m new to VR. Is it the same way for you?

@@fishseas as someone who's been playing vr for 3 years and had 5 headsets (4 different ones), it's a person to person thing. I never got motion sick in vr but some of my friends immediately did and never got over it, and some of my friends immediately did and then got over it after days or weeks

@@MidnightNachos yes, I rarely ever get motion sick but I have a really hard time with the disorientation of everything not feeling real after I take the headset off. it’s some thing that experienced VR users kind of forget about because after a week or two it goes away. It’s unfortunate that some people aren’t able to enjoy vr due to motion sickness but I’m sure there are ways to mitigate it.

​​@@fishseassome people use a small mat or something to stand on so they can know or keep track of where they are in their room still. Idk if that would help with disorientation though

@@fishseas I haven't felt that disorientation in a long time, I legitimately forgot it even existed since the last time I felt it would've been 2-3 years ago, likely closer to 3

bobovr's m3 pro strap for the quest 3 will have a mode where you can use it without the facial interface, what I really want to see is a custom fitted facial interface with iphone 3d scanning to get it customized to your face like the bigscreen beyond has. i'm probably gonna go the frankenquest3 route with a htc vive deluxe audio strap mod (i have this on the quest 2 and it is incredible) or the bobovr m3pro which i've heard great things about.

And hopefully one that cuts out the sides for those of us Pro users who liked MR with the light blockers taken off

you mean companies

I would love a custom 3d printed facial interface ala bigscreen beyond.

I'm very hopeful that the Beyond's custom facial interface has set a new bar in terms of comfort that many 3rd party manufacturers are going to be reaching for. For some people like my SO who have yet to find a headset that isn't painful to wear for less than an hour, face comfort is an absolute deal breaker.

yeah im concerned too, but hopefully nothing bad happened

Why I’m holding out for the deckard!

The Ugly : It's still LCD.

I'm ugly and I'm proud.

🤔

Anyways, back to watching the video! Never here this early… One minute ago, wow

I really wanted a psvr2 but it's launch games didn't thrill me and I was hoping for future sales. It's nice to see people still enjoying it

I only want the Quest 3 as a pc headset that can be used portable. PSVR2 is still worth it for the games it has.

I’ve been using Oculus products since the CV1 just for context and have bought all of my headsets off of Oculus/Meta. This is by far the best headset they’ve ever made.. but. The first day I got my quest 3 I had nothing but issues. It turns out that’s because the headset did not update yet. Once the headset fully updated, it was a much better experience, and the following day was even better. If you are coming from quest two don’t expect a huge leap yet but as time goes on and it will get better as it always does with newer updates. I highly recommend it, especially for brand new VR users. They will be blown away by this HMD.

I’m 13 and half way there on saving for it my bdays in December and then there’s Christmas so all the money I get from that and my allowance till then might get me to the amount of buying it

Just use virtual desktop

@@Planet-Anime nope. Got a cable and I’m not going back to wireless PCVR

I was in the exact same situation! Been using an original Oculus Rift since 2018, and for a Quest 3 for Christmas/birthday. It requires a couple more steps to play Steam games, and I'm bummed that the link cable doesn't provide as much power as the headset uses, but I'm absolutely loving it! Passthrough is amazing, and being able to read small text that was just a blur on the Rift is fantastic. I'm very, very happy with it, and hope you are as well.

I went from a phone VR setup using drivers for PC to this. It arrives tomorrow and I can't wait.

It uses a combo of hand tracking, ir dots, and possibly also some of the arm tracking as well

How can you play beat saber with a claw grip? I play expert plus ghost and Camilla and I can only play expert with claw grip

How?! The claw grip covers the sensors for me and the controllers lose tracking lol

Is claw grip any more difficult without the rings?

@@budbutterson9577 for me it just didn’t work lol

Right. A 1tb micro SD card is $100 only.

@@stormvr1070 more like $10 from China

@@Mermete8and 10gbs of trojan viruses are included for free🤯

SD card storage is notoriously easy to be corrupted

@@gara737Okay sure, but most android phones (which the Quest family runs on) have them, so why can’t they just throw it in there anyway?

Agreed. Glad that ThrillSeeker has maintained high expectations for quality when talking about this feature.

Honest? Wtf are u talking about? Meta sent him heaset for review, guess what they forced him to say. Q3 is fairly good set tbh, but it still has major downsides we already seen in Q2. (not being able to maintain charge on wired link, uncomfortable strap, short overall battery life, overcomplicated internal battery replacement, etc)

@@Unknown-gj1vr you going to cry about it?

Yea but foldable phones are still about flash factor than actual use or convenience. I feel like MR is always going to be less impressive than VR, because you're back to using a very limited world size.

Yeah I 100% agree after trying some AR/MR experiences on Q3. I eagerly await the day we get a Pokemon AR game :)

it wont lol keep dreaming

@@fen4554 I only made the comparison because that was the most relevant thing that came to mind. What I meant was that first gen tech will always be jank, but future iterations are where things get polished and refined. MR is uncharted waters, we just need a few "breakout" apps to really get some traction going for MR.

@@realnerdethan that'll be fucking SICK dude. Fuck it, why not just port Pokemon GO to the Quest? With the full color passthrough cams and hand tracking, I wouldn't rule it out.

The size of Asgard 2 game is about 30gb not 130gb. I was worried getting 128 gigs after your comment but I feel like its manageable as the biggest games are around 30gb

yeah, i just saw someone say that but it seemed pretty unlikely, he was prob talking about Agard 1 (the pc version) @@StasVarych

I mean let’s be real it’s mind blowing to people who had like the first oculus with the one controller to people who never had a vr set before

would you recommend for me, and others, to upgrade from quest 2 to 3?

Yes, but only if you have the disposable income and you're willing to purchase a different head strap. If you're on the edge at all, then I would say just stick with the Quest 2 for now. The price of the Quest 3 will likely fall after a while, and by then some of the software issues will probably have been addressed.@@TomSagi-sf4uf

this..this is what DIY is all about. there aint nothing some socks and tape cant fix...cough

my wife is on the other end, having 55mm, sometimes 54, depending on who and how its meassured. but the sentiment is: youre the 2%. we already have 90% of people covered.. sucks to be you to much effort for little gain.

i have around 73-75mm and the quest 2 was generally ok, it was only an issue when i was trying to focus really hard on something.

I was using a Quest 1 too. I can confirm that the lost of the OLED screen is really frustrating for me. For example, in Prime Video on Quest 1 you really have the feeling to be in a Cinema in the dark. In the Quest 3 you can’t have this feeling. I can confirm that the confort on the Quest 1 is better than the Quest 3 too, I will have to buy another strap. Despite that, the Quest 3 has other great features and you will not regret if you decide to buy it 🙂

Same! Good to see someone else who's hung onto the quest 1 for so long! Upgrading to quest 3 is looking very tempting, but at the same time, we've waited this long, how much longer would it be to wait for something even better come out?

@@pieguy5692 3-5 years probably.

yeah, I am still using my Quest 1 and I hate the greyish LCD panels. So i skipped the Q2 and hoped for an OLED/microLED Q3, even for a much higher price. Now I am disappointed. The only positive thing is the disappearance of screen door effect, the resolution has doubled compared with Quest 1. I think it is worth to try it out. Otherwise I will return it to Amazon and keep my beloved Q1 for the next years, until there is one with suitable screen panels on the market.

@@pieguy5692 Meta announced that it's higher end luxory Pro headset will launch in 2025 to compete against apple vision Pro, using dual micro-oled displays, higher resolution etc.

I don’t do shrooms but it feels so trippy I just took of my headset and everything looks kinda curved looking at my phone screen rn is a trip lol

I could see that.

I doubt they will since they continue to sell quest 2s despite the release of the quest 3

it's Meta

Quest 1 was bad hardware. It gave a bad experience

Meta did support the quest 1 for a decent while. Given it's first generation gardware. Quest 2 will probably last even longer because of the larger playerbase using iy

Quest 1 is a 2019 product and still get security update until 2024. The same year galaxy s10 and pixel 4 released, wondering if those phone still get update

I don't think they can

The age old marketing scheme of "we want to sell this thing to the masses" They said you "can read your phone with it", however they never once said "how well you can read it"

@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 very true, you can just about make out what text says if you hold it close enough and by that point it starts warping

I like having The ability to watch / listen to tv when using MR modes in games. It definitely benefits from having as much light as possible, like older laptop webcams

@DripChip_ I can't speak for every phone, but I've found a that my phone (galaxy s20+) has a brightness sweet spot. Too dim it's blurry, too bright and you can't read it. Also to help with warp, try to hold the phone as steady as possible

sure, Q3 has a resolution of 25 PPD (pixel per degree), To eliminate the sceen door effect, you need 60 PPD and more. The is a long way to go, but it is a nice start, compared with Quest 1 and 2.

@@han_zei_bu_liang_li Yeah, it's an improvement, at least in terms of the PPD. Meanwhile, I'm still happy with the blacks of my original Quest over both its successors. Still can't believe Meta hasn't improved on that unless you have a Quest Pro.

@@echelon2k8 Meta cuts the costs for maximizing the profit.

Replace the eyes.

@@arandomcommenter412 easier to replace the quest 😅

Did you get an elite strap? That’s what I did. But the one day gap between having it and not having it was awful

​@@EnderMon is the elite strap really that much better? How can it make the comfort better? I am considering buying it

@@Banneri it’s a loooot of money so if you can wait for a third party to make one I would. But yes, maybe I’m a wimp but I could NOT play with the default strap. Once I got the elite strap (I personally went all out and got the battery one lol) it was much more comfortable and I played for several hours

@@Banneriwait for kiwi to make their own head strap. YES it makes all the difference in the world. I prefer the elite style strap. It basically smushes your face into the the headset providing the highest FOV possible. Having said that there is also the halo strap style which was on the PSVR 1+2 that puts most of the pressure on your forehead instead of your cheeks and eyebrows. It’s a preference, personally I think with a pleather with cushioning on the facial interface it would make the stock strap more usable. No a big fan of the material used on it currently.

Same, i love it but comfort sucks. Going to order the BoboVR headstrap soon.

Don't forget LCD local dimming for deep inky blacks. Such a shame Meta used just a regular LCD display.

Comfort has been great for me after fiddling. I had the same forehead issues at first but fiddling with the strap (loosening it just a bit, experiment with the arms and topstrap) has made the comfort great for me.

Any advice for newbies? I'm looking to buy one myself and don't know where to start. Is it worth buying the 512 GB option?

​​@@Lukiepookie69420most games are only about 2-6gb, some bigger ones use 10gb like Star Wars galaxies edge or red matter 2. Some like Pistol Whip are great & only 1gb. You can quickly delete and download new ones, it's got fast wifi. You should be fine with the 128 GB, and put the extra money towards BoboVR M3 Pro head strap / battery, it's much more comfortable and stable, and gives you more battery for longer play.

@@Lukiepookie69420 if you talk about value, soeciall for new joiners into VR, I will say nothing else will come close to Quest 3..... Depends on your usage you can decide on storage, I myself play mostly on PCVR so I got 128GB but if you like Quest games or the upcoming ones it's good idea to take 512GB since it's not expandable storage later Some will say wait for Pico but the software side won't be as good as Quest due to regional issues and after introduction of MR into these, software is very important

​@@Lukiepookie69420no, grab the cheaper one. 128 GB is enough for 20-40 games depending on the size of them. The money you are saving you can use to get an elite strap w/ battery or just get more games in general. I've had the Quest 1, Quest 2 and Quest 3 and I can confidently say that I've never had problems with storage, and I've got the 64 GB variant of the quest 2. 128 GB is very good.

Actually i did some testing with the mic and got much better recording quality then he has in this video. Don‘t know why.

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Its so heavy 😭 my only complaint

My main complaints are the battery life and it overheating

Idk if it’s my charging cable or the actual headset itself but it does not like to charge sometimes and it’s really annoying when I plug it in before I leave for work or something and then I come home to a still dead headset

Yep Quest 2 all the way

Good idea, in just 4 years they released 2 new versions, no need to get rid of what works just fine

I think wat my plan would be if quest 3 wouldn't be my second headset is to get a quest 3 and then only use it with my PC

The Quest 1 has better comfort and oled, after so many years it still got strong points.

​@@euden_yt Better comfort? Q1 is about 100 grams heavier than the Q3 and there''s just no way the Q3 isn't more comfortable.Q3 is more shallow, doesnt stick out your face and is much, much smaller. I've only had experience with the Q1, but I can't believe it will be as bad as that headset. Absolute brick that was. Couldn't stand it for more than 30 mins and others I asked couldn't too.

They are the same lenses.

Sounds like you got a defective one.

Classic VR HMD lottery. I had 4 Q2 at home and there were 2 different types of lenses - newer Meta was blurrier and had smaller IPD and three different LCD panels - 2 were much dimmer, 2 much brighter but one had pixel inversion and the other had very grey blacks. Just on this set of four. My Pro has slight wave in the lenses but I got it so cheap I can take it.

what did you think of the passthrough?

@@AfkBxnditI don’t have Quest 3, but imo passtheough on Quest 2 seems to be better within the past month. I used it for a mixed reality game and I saw almost everything irl just fine (except my phone). I can only imagine Quest 3 will be better

@@mcgritty8842 Quest 3 is MUCH better than Quest 2 on the passthrough front. It doesn't even begin to compare with the magic leap in terms of room clarity [ML is like looking through clear lenses not a camera) but FOV and graphics are better and the headset also does VR.

@@AfkBxndit I was super impressed honestly. Mine didn’t have nearly as much warping as Thrill’s

@@RefrigeratedTP would you say it’s worth it to upgrade?

But when he threw the quest 3 in the dryer and the music became upbeat made me laugh so hard

Yeh that wouldn't be my cup of tea at all. But I agree something that involves constructing something within your own space.

How is that a killer app. That sounds like something only you’d be interested in

Sounds like it should be a hot wheels game… but sounds lame imo, but to each their own

something like that already exists but its rollercoaster instead. i forgot the name of the game

sounds like a game for 5 year olds