The Apple Vision Pro is NOT what you think it is 

How will it push anything the thing doesn't have controllers ? I also dont understand how thrill can call this "competition" the thing is 3500 bucks For a Goolge cardboard with an iphone inside ..... Yea nah The AVP could have pushed but apple did what apple does and did it different so differently to a point the darn thing HAS NO CONTROLLERS ....... Its garbage only morons and influencers buy so they can show it of to said morons

AVP shows the path to productivity just when the last hype was moving towards the through of disillusionment.

Yep, this is the video serious VR aficionado's have been waiting for, not Brownlee's blatant fanboying (but I guess Trill's income does not depend on keeping Apple sweet). The lack of controllers is a massive oversight and deal-breaker. Gestures are fine for simple, serial tasks, but controllers allow multiple parallel inputs. It just goes to show how little Apple understand gaming, the 3d arts, or VR locomotion.There's a reason we still use keyboards and don't write documents by painstakingly drawing letters in the air.

@@EvileDikI honestly defend Apple with this move. I think many would agree that if hand an eye tracking gets good enough they’d rather not use a controller. It was a necessary move to differentiate themselves also, cause they undercut their marketing of the hand and eye tracking if they add controllers. Also it’s not a gaming headset and I doubt it ever will be. The only con is you have to get a MacBook to really use the productivity gains. Good thing is many people have MacBooks already but I think they should add keyboard and mouse support via Bluetooth, then many more people would gladly use the device, probably.

Mark my...@@Words-. 🤣 Apple will release Controller Pods for it.

it's easy to get millions when they have millions of subs

Problem is that this is a niche channel compared to Linus Tech Tips or whatnot, it’s nothing against Thrill, but when you have a more diverse audience of ten million plus subscribers the numbers are just going to skew higher, it just one of those ratio things.

this vr headset is the most useless device apple has ever created by far, i can't remember a more useless device apple has created since the alluminum lock for the trash can apple pro that didn't have the same material then the metal of the trash can and stood out like a sore thumb.

The day one review by TheVerge was quite thorough and balanced.

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He makes a lot of his own music and has a music channel so you'd probably have to get permission to use it also if you're including the song at the end in the question it's called Claire De Lune and it's a really old classical song so you could probably find a good royalty free cover of it somewhere.

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We are literally living in the future. Not gonna be long till VR/AR gets integrated with AI and we get some crazy stuff.

Do we know how he got Windows running? I know it may seem like a stupid question but I genuinely completely believed that there was no way Apple would let you use a windows PC in their headset, since it completely goes against their profits. Can anybody provide details on how well this works?

@@yourmomsboyfriend3337 I’m using moonlight to connect to PC and can even do an ultrawide screen!

I ran ChatGPT by the virtual lake the other day, and it was the closest thing I’ve experienced to being on the Holodeck and having a conversation with “Computer!”

I use the parsec app for iPad to connect to my pc. Really any Remote Desktop tool has an app. A bit janky but it gets the job done. Bit of a pain to use the mouse since you can’t use one natively in visionOS. ​@@yourmomsboyfriend3337

What? Im always so pissed using it. Mostly without the controllers. Sits beside my desk

@@apfelsolutions9685 the hand tracking is amazing, I occasionally use my q2 ONLY because of hand tracking

@@apfelsolutions9685its not metas fault a 4 year old expects a headset from 2020 to have something from a headset from 2024

Well besides experts who just so happen to not be youtubers.

Definitely a more valuable opinion than most other big reviewers, considering he's a matter expert

You want to tell me that developers and creators of the products know it less?!?! LOL 🤣

@@drone-vision"more experience communicating headsets" Yes, I guarantee he is better at communicating the strengths, weaknesses, and points people care about to the general public than the majority of the developers of the headsets. Technical details or how they really work, no shot he knows better than the devs, but devs are notoriously bad at communicating with non-developers. Then the people paid to be communicators of it are going to downplay weaknesses.

@@BilboSwagginsTheThird every big company have a team that looks through competitor products, breaking down its functionality and then adjusting their own products. Watch this space soon Quest 3 will have their functionality updated....

Tbf, you won't have the full picture about AVP without others. I feel it's just another perspective that only Thrill can provide. I watched several reviewers and many of them had some piece of new information. Let's see what Thril and Brad can provide.

@@RanmaruRei you're right. I of course got a lot of other infos on the device along with different perspectives on their experiences using it, but for the essence of what it can provide and what it's truly worth amongst the tons of VR headsets out there, only Thrill can give.

The iPhone convinced everyone of its value in one keynote. The AVP has relied on advocates to push it along. I don’t think many people see any value in it as part of their daily life.

@@bloopbleepnothinghereI remember, myself included, people thinking the iPad was pointless and who would want something’s that’s so big you won’t use it as a phone, yet not a computer? On paper it was stupid. Once I got one, it’s my main computation device. The only reason I fire up my Mac is to record music or install updates to make music. 90% of my emailing, 30% of my texting, most of my internet browsing, 90% of my RU-vid viewing, and 25% of my music listening, and 80% of my social networking is done on my iPad.

@@TheWolfCub71 ever tried using a pc? :D like you dont even know what you are missing if you are satisfied with a tablet... except you are a full on casual user then apple will give you the only "flawless" experience but i could never imagine sticking to a mobile device for music production or even limiting myself to only one device.... like for the money of your devices i would buy synth and recording equipment and still a decent pc/laptop to fill some gaps.... no mobile device if android or apple will ever give you the full range of possibility

It feels like we're still at the early cell phone stages before smart phones came. Someday soon there will be released a product that will completely revolutionize the entire VR/AR industry the same way Steve Jobs managed to revolutionize phones.

​@@bok4822 that's definitely the direction they're trying to take with apple right now. They've found a market they can try and do the same thing they did with the iPhone. Problem is, Steve ain't around anymore, and vr/ar is NOT the market and societal advancement, becoming a near necessity that cellphones had encompassed. I look forward to the future here.

It's hard for me to imagine using vr/mr without the haptic feedback of a controller. Like punching something on the quest feels so good because the controller vibrate.

@@dubfitness595 I imagine haptic gloves coming soon

@@maxman1244 I'd be happy with a haptic watch / fit bit like device that is worn on each wrist.

Well this channel honestly is for and by gamers. Apple has never and imo will never be a gaming company as much as just a tech company. I worked there for five years and their mindset towards gaming is almost non existent. What I am excited for is other companies replicating the vision pro and taking it in those directions for cheaper like androids did with iphones.

@@juniorc1521 indeed!

It's been 10 years since the early Rift versions, yet we can write the exact same message about early Rifts and Vision Pro. Good start, proof of concept, long way from the goal. I thought 10 years ago that VR would be further ahead by now.

@@RawArt0 i mean it has taken us how long to perfect computers? and we are only getting to quantum computers within the past couple years, things take time and VR hasn't had quite the spotlight other mediums have had, but i digress you have some excellent points. (edit: let alone the fact we haven't even perfected computers, forgot to mention that.)

Unless form factor becomes the size of sunglasses it will not become mainstream imo.

Was patiently waiting for this lol

Same here lol

You felt the video coming in the ethers lol, you felt a disturbance in the force! 🤣

Ever heard of the subscription section? All I do is refresh that page a couple times a day, easy, no idea why anyone wouldn't use the best feature on RU-vid

@@ThomasLeichardtlol, I literally woke up today and just thought “thrill seeker probably released something” and sure enough, there it was

After closing the app, he could immediately see his room, with his friend several hundred miles away, and the same for his friend. The fact you can't do that on Vision Pro is fucking wild to me" I don't understand what you mean. When you turn of and take off the Vision Pro you can then also see your room. What am I not getting?

@@glennwatson3313 When you join a friend in online games, you can close apps, and see your friends avatar in your room, with passthrough

@@glennwatson3313 They were still using the headsets just in the default environment you get when you're not playing a game, but the headset put a virtual version of their friend in the room with them. At least for now Apple apparently has no way of sharing your VR experience with anyone else, even if they also have a headset.

@@glennwatson3313 He means his friend appeared in his room with him after closing the game. The Quest 3 can put your friend's avatar into the room with you in pass thru mode. The Quest 3 has a bunch of support for social experiences like this whereas the Vision Pro is more or less a completely isolating VR experience. The only social thing the Vision Pro has is its weird facetime support which gives you just flat 2D displays of other people like a video call but worse. The Vision Pro is completely missing any immersive socialization capability.

@@Reddles37 OK now I see. I have the Quest 3 but I have not experienced that situation. I don't play poker.

doing that for under $500 does not sound possible within any less than 5 years unless it's a pcvr headset, and even then that seems like a huge maybe. that's extremely wishful thinking, and high end headsets are still pushing to even figure out how the hell to make fov much wider. and then once they figure it out I'm sure it'll take years for zuck to pick it up

And im enjoying 5k per eye on my pimax crystal, cant wait for 6k per eye with pimax 12k

@@iamboringvideos6832 no one asked

This is true. I learned that for myself when I tried the Pimax Crystal. Brad was the most accurate. Too many youtube hype merchants around making affiliate money.

they didnt throw the ball, that just isn't a segment apple is interested in. gaming is going to be with the quest, at a fraction of the cost, there is no reason to compete on the gaming side of things. and apple has really never been a company TRULY interested in gaming. IMO this review is just a review from a vr gamers perspective, the other reviews are from a more regular persons perspective, apples target audience is the latter, not the former. Not that its a bad review, it just offers a different perspective to the other reviews, imo though that perspective is not from the target audience apple is looking to capture with this headset.

@TalkTechSAGA I thought I was dump, Im still trying to understand the benefits of using a such device today

Besides using it as a macbook screen or a ´productivity´ tool apparently theres nothing to do on it, meta is focus on gaming, personally i still don´t see the point in vr/ar for now.

​@@weird-guy That's alright, you don't have to see the point. The 2 TRILLION dollar company see's the point, and that should say everything that needs to be said.

I dont know, its too pricy. I think this is going to be a one and done tbh. Probably only valves next vr headset will be affordable while still having good tech. 3500 in 2024 is just an impossible ask even for a vr enthusiast.

@@ceoofsony5924 yeah it’s absolutely too pricey, I just think the effort of Apple stepping into it might make other companies want to try stepping into the market which just means more happening for Vr and Ar

⁠​⁠@@ceoofsony5924but it’s not for vr enthusiasts it’s first gen, and meant for productivity. I personally like LTT’s take it’s not overpriced and it’s an incredibly advanced device but that doesn’t mean it’s worth the money. You’ve got to judge things for legitimate reasons

@@ceoofsony5924I completely agree it’s overpriced, I just think the fact that one of the worlds biggest companies is stepping into the VR and AR market is hopefully going to bring more companies and more competition which is absolutely needed

he never left to return...quality videos take time that is all

and still have controllers for games

yea like having full hand tracking and eye tracking but oyu can switch to controllers for games, would be amazing@@maxmoch6044

Pls NO ... Absolutely NOT .... If companys now start to ditch controllers because APPLE did it Like HOW .... Would u Controll movement in ANY game ... Thats is not stationary..... Selling a headset with no controllers is a STUPID decision and i sincerely hope apple makes no money on this like Zero let the right people develop VR apple just does shit so Differently that at some point they run out of ideas and the whole productline becomes stagnant look at iPhones.... They havnt changed in YEARS in any significant way Whilst android phones keep developing and experimenting not as much as back in the day BUT STILL The second i heard AVP and the bullshit with calling it Spacial Computing not VR and then people started calling VR SC instead i already felt like i wanna leave this planet I still miss my good old headphone jack ..... On my ANDROID phones .... Apple ships phones without chargers and all the others copy this "trend" Pleaaase for the love of everything thats holy i beg let apple loose money on this so they Stop fucking up the VR industry

Need some kind of unified eye tracking, hand tracking and controller input. Like a virtual cursor that can switch between the three inputs intuitive somehow.

​@@eon5323 Yep, It's actually frustrating that I have to physically set my controller down to use hand tracking in the quest 3. I'm using it standing up so there isn't exactly a convenient place to put my controllers. The lack of eye tracking in the quest 3 is where I feel meta dropped the ball because dynamic foveated render like we see in the psvr2 need to happen if we want high resolution games without killing performance by trying to render at those full high resolution that these displays have.

I have watched so many reviews and this is the best one.

Watching a video and actually making changes are two completely different things. Don't hold your breath.

I love Apple, but they can be stubborn as hell. They want everybody to just get used to the way they want us to navigate. But it's kinda of horseshit that that requires doing away with controllers that would make gaming WAY better. If they allowed for controllers and Steam.. oh boy.. I might even get one.

And do what? Apple is what they do... Take existing tech and concepts, bundle it all up. Fisher-Price it down for the masses and put a shiny wrapper on it. Then keeps the keys to their garden of walls where every thing is soldered and locked down. Their kingdom, their rules. Expect the AVP to stay simple.

@@chaosengine3772 lol Jesus H

@@parttimehuman gamers arent and have never been apples target audience. they quite honestly just dont care if you buy one or not as you aren't who they are trying to get to buy one. Apple is very clearly aiming for people who haven't bought VR before and would likely never use it for gaming.

THIS!!!! Everyone else reviewing it that I've seen just raves about it and doesn't really know the VR market like Thrill does

I mean, there were a few since launch. So not entirely true. Especially if you look pass the "thumbnail" from trusted tech reviewers.

what? every review ive seen has said it has many flaws

3d modeling should be unparalleled

A lot. NOT alot.

@@PSYCHOV3N0M thanks grammar police

So annoying right?? The non VR expert RU-vidrs praising the hell out of the Vision Pro without mentioning important drawbacks like high persistence, lack of shared experiences, etc.