Metal Gear's Biggest Missed Opportunity (WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABOUT THIS???)

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The idea for this video came to me when I was working on my Metal Gear Solid 5 retrospective. I realized, as I was working on it... that that might be the last Metal Gear video I ever do. Metal Gear is my lifeblood. It is the air that I breathe. I love talking about this series, and the thought of not having a reason to talk about it in the future freaks me out. So, I thought about what else, if anything, I could discuss regarding the franchise... and thankfully... I was reminded of something that has fascinated me for years.
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@MusicConfusion99 Год назад

I still very vividly remember Metal Gear Solid: Rising. I was in High School when MGS4 came out and I was blown away by it and loved it whole heartedly. I was so excited for the next one. I would constantly check the internet for news about the next Metal Gear. I remember the announcement for Metal Gear Solid: Rising. I was really looking forward to seeing Raiden's transformation into a cyborg ninja and everything they promised in the story. I love Revengence but I still hold just a little bit of bitterness that we didnt get to see the original.

@dragb9284 Год назад

I mean just the sound track of what we got is legendary in its own way so might be an equivalent exchange

@TheVampragon Год назад

Also door's still open for a prequel in the future!

@caitlynrankin8845 Год назад

@@TheVampragon pretty sure there making a sequel

@ARC51bowtie Год назад

@@caitlynrankin8845 nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source?

@caitlynrankin8845 Год назад

@@ARC51bowtie my source is i made it the fuck up

@funnywes Год назад

YES. YES. YES. i love mgr, but i'd give just about anything to get a game centered around saving sunny. a more personal, darker look into just HOW he turned out how he did in 4. i've been hoping for a video like this for some time. very well done

@arron390 Год назад

Hey its the funny guy!

@everyonesfavoritesejong Год назад

Why aren't you verified?

@eat-lc5rx Год назад

Honestly revengeance felt like a logical progression after mgs4. War crazed world spiraling out of control. Mgs4 set up a philosophy of the PMC's. Revengeance showed the gritty reality of what that philosophy devolves into.

@VegaFic Год назад

The memes...

@MrTigracho Год назад

Just like today. Not gonna lie. The ending literally felt like the birth of a new Big Boss.

@quarreneverett4767 Год назад

I just accept.mgs 4 was never meant to be and didnt happen

@raheemaslam7363 Год назад

@@MrTigracho what do you mean?

@Garland846 Год назад

@@MrTigracho Both go to radical extremes for their beliefs but I do think Raiden is on a better track, he genuinely found his own philosophy instead of some twisted misunderstanding of the Boss and won't use others for his own gain

@Clean.Eastwood Год назад

The saddest thing is that, if it wasn't for Konami being practically dead, now would be the ideal time for a new MGS game starring Raiden, considering all the hype he's been getting on the internet.

@Owl_of_Books Год назад

I personally believe that Raiden was highly underrated, and I enjoyed his story in MGS 2, because realistically speaking, Raiden is much more skilled than Snake in combat, and likely up there with Big Boss; he wasn't genetically engineered, he wasn't a clone, and he also didn't inherit his expertise from a legendary soldier, he was a child soldier who was fed meals with gun powder mixed in, just to keep him active, this is something the fanbase always overlooks, so in a way, he's entitled to complain on occasion, because he's literally been fighting his whole life, while Snake just happened to inherit his skills, and personality, hence why he's so serious and comes across as really tough... That's just a mirror of Big Boss, but Raiden really is a true legend, who became what he is in MGS 2, through pure trauma, and from being a child soldier, and trained to kill at such a young age.

@DanSmeed Год назад

I think you're simplifying when you say that Solid inherited his skills. There's a lot of experience behind him at the points in time when we controlled him.

@mikesmith145 Год назад

Dude, Snake was a Green Beret at one point, don’t undersell him

@Owl_of_Books Год назад

@@mikesmith145 Sure he was a Green Beret, but there's still some decisions he made prior to going on that Outer Heaven mission that Big Boss would've likely made as well, and who's to say that Big Boss wasn't also part of the Green Beret at some point too, hence why he was able to help develop CQC with The Boss?

@Owl_of_Books Год назад

@@DanSmeed That's because Snake inherited the side of Big Boss that was more sympathetic towards actually being a hero, while Liquid inherited the war monger side, but Raiden isn't a side of a coin like those two are, hence why he's underrated, due to his backstory.

@lightlayagajoie5739 Год назад

The switch to raiden was a brilliant move storytelling-wise. Because Raiden has really a similar story arc to Snake. Deep down he is not really cool and collected and in control like his image appears but a ball of trauma just reacting and stuck in a matrix-like narrative of lies. It is only after MGS 1 that Snake becomes really free and will no longer be used as a pawn. But the tragedy he is not really able to do anything besides fighting in war. Just like raiden. We don't like raiden as fans because he isn't as cool and he whines about his sorry background story of being a helpless child. But really Snake is not much different having never been free and raised by sociopaths to be a killing machine. If it wasnt for grey fox(and naomy) snake would have been killed after mgs1. now snake is doing something similar to Raiden that makes him be able to see his relationship with his superiors so that afterwards he can be free. isnt that inspiring? Later he becomes just like grey fox a cyborg ninja isn't that cool? And a pain in de side of the people that sought to make him into a tool of war. Or is he still being used? You can't say for sure.

@BasedPeter Год назад

This is a great thematic rundown, but I still think in many ways MGRR continues the ideas of MGS2in regards to self, identity, (Sam) narrative and self-determination (Armstrong). They try to do it to a lesser degree with Mistral and Monsoon, but I think those two fall a little flat due to ridiculously low screentime. I don't know what the hell is going on with Sundowner though lmao, dude's like Alex Jones on nanomachine steroids.

@crystalwings4520 Год назад

Or as Max0r said, 'Jacked Bezos'.

@ieatcheese361 Год назад

hes fuckin invincible

@Garland846 Год назад

Sundowner is a dark reflection of Solidus and in defeating him Raiden prevents another generation of rippers from being created

@zer0stars Год назад

In terms of MGR:R, it's Raiden slowly realizing himself through his enemies. I often see them as parallels of Raiden up to that point in time. Slowly, they are breaking away at the ideals of Raiden. For example, Mistral is also an orphan who discovered that they were good at killing so she thought of this as her calling. She didn't have an ideal but by meeting a man (Armstrong) it all changed and it allowed her to fight for an ideal. For me, this is similar to MGS2, Raiden was lost, only thinking of himself as a weapon. Through Snake, he was able to find an ideal. With Monsoon, Raiden's ideals after that whole thing about who protects the weak from the man who protects the weak was completely shattered. Through Monsoon, he regained back his Jack the Ripper persona and accepted it completely. This allowed him to acknowledge that yes, he does kill people and he needs to stop making excuses. Sundowner is Jack the Ripper in full form. If Raiden has allowed his Ripper persona to completely transform him to a psychopath who only loves war and destruction. Sundowner is one of the purest characters ever in a very very literal sense. He does not have any ideals, any motives, or any goals. The only thing he wants is death, war, destruction and his pleasure in massacring people. Each enemy in the game serves as a cautionary tale on what Raiden could have been. Even Armstrong and Sam serves as a warning with Sam being the cautionary tale of losing yourself and giving up on your ideals just because you got defeated. Meanwhile Armstrong would be Raiden if he didn't have the hardships occur to him. Armstrong considered Jack to be his worthy successor because he carved his own path even with all the things that happened to him. Armstrong, however, is someone who hasn't gone through the hardships of life.

@crystalwings4520 Год назад

@@zer0stars This makes so much sense, ngl.

@SchwaWasHere Год назад

I just think that the original version would have been more interesting since it seems like you'd be cutting apart actual soldiers, not the Gatorade filled cyborgs we got (Then again I think Japan has something about dismemberment censorship in it's games) Also something nags at me that the capability of the engine wasn't enough to "cut everything" like they marketed. Would be interested in what they could do with the tech today. Definitely worth a look at the OG script tho

@j0hnicide Год назад

how could japan have dismemberment censorship when vergil tears nero's arm off in dmc 5

@DwAboutItManFr Год назад

What the fucka vowel, go back to your country.

@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting Год назад

It’s likely that they changed the enemies to cyborgs due to the hardware limitations of the Xbox 360 and PS3. Konami clearly doesn’t have a problem with gore as shown by Snake getting his eye shot out.

@PSYMEDIC Год назад

Not likely to happen with Konami around. Which is very unfortunate. Would still be nice if another studio would make a game like this.

@cman8995 Год назад

As much as I loved Revegeance and its fast-paced action. It's a bit disappointing that the Rising's weighty and still-impressive physic action were shelved along with the interesting MGS4 prequel story of Raiden rescuing Sunny, especially when the storyline has been teased and foreshadowed numerous times throughout the story of MGS4.

@thefearofg0ds758 Год назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="810">13:30</a> to this day I'm still wondering what the hell happened to Raiden's body. I remember a long running forum on IGN back in the day talking about it. The common belief was that his body was "falling apart" because of the white blood in his body or he was captured while rescuing Sonny and they experimented on him.

@eriktruchinskas3747 Год назад

I think he was captured and expirememnted on

@PresidentMikeJohnson Год назад

in mgs4 they make it seem like he was captured and experimented on but mgsr made me feel like he did it to himself, it was always weird to me, in any case i never liked what they did to his character, i actually really liked mgs2

@thefearofg0ds758 Год назад

@@PresidentMikeJohnson i actually liked it but felt they could have dialed it back a bit. I like "damaged" characters. They didn't have to turn his whole body cybernetic, but say he lost his arm and had it replaced with a cybernetic one. Revengence went WAY too far and that's why I never played it.

@cman8995 Год назад

@@PresidentMikeJohnson "mgsr made me feel like he did it to himself" it's hard to deduct that idea considering only thing that came out of MGSR was a tech demo trailer. I always thought that MGSR started off with intro-mission where Jack rescues sunny, gets experimented on and rest of the game he tries to shelter baby sunny as a cyborg like a weird Yoshi's island, considering that's the cannon of what happened.

@bounce2urchest350 Год назад

@@thefearofg0ds758 in case you forgot, he was quite literally fully cybernetic in MGS4. it’s a regular thing in the MGS universe for cyborg ninjas to exist. take gray fox for example from MGS1. he was also a cyborg ninja. it wasn’t out of the realm and i don’t think they went overboard at all lmao.

@chrizzel28 Год назад

Now this is certainly an interesting perspective, I had honestly forgotten about the original direction the game was going to take. I feel a similar desire to see the original script, but I will say that I think MGR is the best game we could have gotten. It remains my favourite Metal Gear for far more than just the intense gameplay. It's insane to have a game with so many small parts that can be cut out of context while still keeping the message entirely in tact, to the point where all the meme clips still point in one solid direction. The ideal would be a world where we got both games, but I think the world with MGR is far better than the world where we got MGS:R. And one thing I truly like about MGR's post-4 story is just seeing that Sunny is growing up and into her own a little. The scenes with Blade Wolf gave me a bit of hope for their world that in many ways still seems like it will never be truly free of war, because even in there those that were victimised by it get their shot at real happiness thanks to the actions of people like Snake and Raiden.

@godnyx117 Год назад

Saying that MGR is your favorite Metal Gear (probably for me as well), would be the same as if you went out and said that Halo 5 is your favorite Halo game (which is for me). The difference however and what shows that Metal Gear's community is great is that you won't get hated for it while the garbage Halo's community would hate someone that would say that. Anyway, this may have been a little bit weird but I just wanted to point this out as it just instantly came into my mind!

@crystalwings4520 Год назад

@@godnyx117 Wait, what's wrong with Halo 5, anyway?

@godnyx117 Год назад

@@crystalwings4520 The story is bad... and that's pretty much it. The community loves to hate it however.

@crystalwings4520 Год назад

@@godnyx117 Ah, okay. So how about the newest Halo game? Is it still bad as the fifth one? (Yeah, I kinda forgotten about that game since Halo 3)

@godnyx117 Год назад

@@crystalwings4520 The gameplay is... ok, I guess! Worse than Halo 5 but I can still have fun even in while I'm in a huge disadvantage (TV screen, 30fps on Xbox One, wireless controller, TERRIBLE PING). I didn't played the campaign but a friend who did said that it wasn't anything interesting.

@wearecoterminous Год назад

found all your metal gear stuff during my metal gear resurgence (which would be a good name for a game) and i'm super glad lol. thanks for giving me something to watch while i play the millionth time!

@pickyphysicsstudent201 Год назад

Out of the two theories you gave, I prefer the idea of Raiden augmenting himself being an optional mechanic over the use of Sunny. It's like how in Lisa the Painful & Undertale not using Joy & killing Monsters (respectively) makes your run harder but you get the good ending. Then again, you would have to rescale the whole of MGR, in both gameplay & story, around these choices. Naked Raiden wouldn't be able to standup to any of the bosses, without quick-saving every nanosecond. It's a good idea but I don't think it meshes well with MGR - an action game. Not to mention it falls into the cyberpunk trope of "Cybernetics may seem cool BUT TheY eAt AwAy aT YoUr sOUl...... aomehow." In case of Sunny; I have nothing against her but using her as a main motivation for Raiden would be cheep. It would be better for Raiden to be motivated by other interests than just saving/protecting a loved one. It's difficult to put into words but it feels like a cop-out. You can have all the complex interweb of motives but then the motive of Sunny just trumps them all and it makes things less interesting.

@PabbyPabbles Год назад

the good ending: "Raiden, you can't not be a cyborg right now! You know it's a Time Paradox!"

@Mate_Antal_Zoltan Год назад

Sunny isn't just a "loved one" Olga saved Raiden's life, so I think he owes her a favor lmao

@dasuero7489 Год назад

I love the new editing and the jokes in this video, Max. Your production quality is definitely peaking positively. Keep it up!

@maxturbo45 Год назад

It doesn't matter how long or why your videos take a good minute to come out, they're always gonna be amazing, keep up the great work Max 👍🏾

@GamesofFuturesPast Год назад

I remember seeing the original trailer for MGR before they turned it into revengeance. I thought it looked really cool and always wondered why they changed it. It reminds me of the first version of RE4 and how much it changed.

@psychoangelmgs Год назад

I literally was talking to my friend saying I wish I still got to play Metal Gear Solid: Rising. I love Revengeance, but I wanted to experience Raiden becoming a cyborg in that gap in canon.

@paulwillplay Год назад

This is the game I've wanted every game to be since it was unfortunately cancelled. I followed its development religiously, and I was hit with an aching sense of longing when I first learned the original script exists. I absolutely adore Revengeance, but that doesn't mean there isn't room this story as well. After all, it would be the story of his transformation into the Raiden we eventually see in Revengeance. I do think it makes sense for Raiden to gradually transition away from stealth, since his stealthy persona was the patriot-implanted persona he forsakes at the end of MGS2. Though I do think that "ninja stealth," that features sabotage and ambush could play a little more realistically than typical MGS, despite the overt sci-fi nature of the game. Even with a silencer, anyone nearby will be alerted, so it's about going extra ham on the stealth until you have to go extra ham on the action, then go dark again. "Silence, violence, silence," they say. Something that especially excited me about Rising was the seeming notion that it might begin to bridge the MGS timeline into Snatcher, and Policenauts given that Dr. Madnar is a character in both and was undoubtedly morphed into Revengeance's Doktor, and Raiden's cyborg design somewhat resembles the design of the Snatcher bioroids, as well as the white-blooded frozeners in Policenauts, who I always thought kinda seemed like a distant evolution of Snatcher technology. Thank you for making this video. I enjoyed watching it and then rambling about it afterwards

@PhantomHaseo Год назад

#ReleaseTheKojimaCut Yeah, I always thought the original story for Rising (Raiden's mission to rescue Olga's child and his BladeRunner mishap) was a fantastic story that could have really delved into the darker themes of soldiers including trauma, ptsd, and belief. I love Revengence, but I think Rising could have been a better tying of plot threads then MGS4 retconing aspects of MGS2 because a lot of people missed the greater narrative.

@kingr.warrior.4906 Год назад

Well, they could use the original storyline in a MGR sequel, it still has the great gameplay with the added bonus of a storyline with a narrative far superior to the original. It would easily enter the best video game sequels in history.

@AmelpsXett Год назад

I really wish MGSR was finished and released, because i really want to hear Raiden's thoughts on MGS US society, AI and more converstations with the said AI, since it was planned to be in a military base. What if GW was to talk to Raiden through terminals and loud speakers, like Breen did in HL2? Also i want to see a cutscene of Patriots cutting off his body, or at least sounds of it with a black screen The idea with transforming Raiden throught the course of the game is pretty cool and it narrowly avoids why Human Revolution story was a major poopoo, since its not about society but Raiden's personal issues

@jackelstone1502 Год назад

I've been saying for years that the biggest thing the mgs series was missing was a game set between mgs 2 and 4 where we get an equal split between a prime solid and a more grounded but still hack and slash reminiscent Raiden.

@GrieveIV Год назад

Wasn’t there also a version of Revengeance where it was gray fox cutting up zombies?

@bigcade554 Год назад

Kojima floated that as a possible sequel.

@GrieveIV Год назад

@@bigcade554 ah

@RecluseBootsy Год назад

As far as i know, it was just a concept he pitched. Nothing fleshed out.

@stahnke_as_pho Год назад

I could see this being a hidden nightmare sequence similar to the one in Snake Eater

@purplesamurai5205 Год назад

I wish we got a game where Gray Fox fought Dr Clark in the early 2000s.

@_GeneralMechanics_ Год назад

You're right, Spielberg not being in charge of the direction of the Transformers movies was another missed opportunity.

@groovysnake6664 Год назад

Max, your channel is still my favorite on YT, thanks for giving Raiden the love he deserves. I've just started replaying mgsr and love the hell out of it, but it is painful to see what could have been with those early trailers.

@TheEpicpwnr100 Год назад

I've thought about this myself as I remember when the game was a Solid game before it went to Platinum. If they ever wanted to return to this concept, I think a cool way to handle it would be to have the first half of the game function like a standard Solid stealth game, but then either progressively or instantly have it shift to have more character action elements of rising once Raiden transitions into the cyborg. Another concept that was dropped was to have an MGS game be a prequel starring the Boss in WWII. I believe that's what the plan for PW was before they went back to snake. Part of me wants to see that, but another part makes me think there's no way it would work without botching something significant, story-wise.

@lordshishio Год назад

#ReleaseTheKojimaCut I've always wondered what happened to Raiden to become a cyborg. That part of the story I don't think ever really gets told in detail

@SOLIDSNAKE. Год назад

Lol I remember for the briefest moment I thought mgs3 was about rescuing sunny When it was first announced in a psm magazine circa 2003 ish

@procrastinationoctopus3233 Год назад

Dude, I remember being so excited for MGS Rising and getting so freaking disappointed by Revengeance. It was a cool game, but it had very little of what I liked about MGS and the original Rising.

@PompadourSamurai Год назад

That concept art of Raiden with a baby Sunny reminds me a bit of Lone Wolf and Cub. Shame that such an interesting situation for a game's protagonist got stranded...

@onyxfinger7431 Год назад

I still remember MGS Rising, mainly because of the gameplay scenes we got from it. They look great ! FOr example, at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="383">6:23</a> Raiden jumps onto a wall and runs on it while deflecting gekko machinegun attacks wich are actually threatening.

@nezyro Год назад

DANK SINATRA LOL

@Alex-ip1dn Год назад

Snake gives it the nod

@BigBadBalrog Год назад

As someone who never has a PS2 and missed out on MGS2 in its heyday, a modern version of MGSR would be a dream come true #ReleaseTheKojimaCut

@cosmindobre8899 Год назад

Yes I knew about the original game and honestly, I want more a sequel to Revengeance. I am more interested in seeing what happens to Raiden after the fight with Armstrong. I would love to see the original story in some shape or another, but I think if we ever get another game with Raiden, it should have the same gameplay as Revengeance. Even if we don’t know many details about the original, I don’t think it will match well with the Platinum-style Action, the gameplay should be changed to reflect that original story. Btw great video Max, keep up the good work!!!!

@RoflMaiWaffel Год назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="538">8:58</a> Raiden's real name is Dank Sinatra

@monkeyheist Год назад

Wow, your pitch for a story between MGS2 and 4 is fantastic!

@kevinharris8859 Год назад

I remember the flash player lightning announcement, I was thrilled to think we were going to get two games in the MGU. The story was just a let down for both I think.

@BubblegumCrash332 Год назад

I just found your channel I've been binging all your videos. Amazing content 👍👍

@dylancourville8708 Год назад

That was a thoughtful explanation of a theoretical plot for a game I will never play. To this day I can’t bring myself to care to play Rising Revengence. I like platinum games to some capacity but the over the top style takes me out of the Metal Gear world. Instead, I would have loved to see a Tensue ninja assassin type game in place of a Bayonetta style gameplay.

@Silverwolf-sr1ug Год назад

Brilliant idea. I'd love to play the version of the game you described

@dontcare3 Год назад

Makes me think of resident evil 4 and how the original version was scrapped but it still maintained a high level of interest even tho what it became was best for it.

@vomothytigan1640 Год назад

I do think that a follow up to MGR Revengeance as a prequel to explore the unused story would be great. Not sure how to find the middle ground between the normal Metal Gear games and MGR but if that can be achieved I think it would be really awesome!

@VioStarclad Год назад

Personally I think the biggest missed opportunity of MGS is that we could have technically had a game about The Boss kicking ass through WW2 and in stead we got uhhh whatever happened in MGS5? Don't get me wrong the game was fun to play but despite having many hours in it the plot barely stuck with me at all.

@jalawa-hiska Год назад

I would love to see the original story for this. I actually wasn't aware that it covered Raiden rescuing Sunny; I'd always wondered where that part of the story went too. #ReleaseTheKojimaCut I also think the ideas you had sound incredible honestly. The grey morality of the MG games has always been one of my favorite parts, and I had always wondered how Raiden really felt about being a cyborg. Leaving that up to the player would make our connection to him very interesting.

@markusvarusk4643 Год назад

raiden before becoming like the strongest mf in the universe was soooo underrated like he has his chad moments but he also has chracater snake is just some quiet tough guy all the time

@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 Год назад

I know what you mean about wanting to see something as it was intended. Or could of been. I’ve always wanted to visit the universes where Eric Stoltz portrayed Marty McFly. Or where the Hallowe’en anthology idea took off. Or Will Smith as Neo.

@LiquidSolidus9000 Год назад

I didn't really know anything about the original Rising narrative but I do remember the original showcase and announcement. There was a website with a countdown timer that would flash back and forth between images of Big Boss and Raiden, since it was announced at the same time as Peace Walker. I've still never actually played through Rising, with the recent popularity of memes I should probably get it it sometime

@MannFace51 Год назад

What if the ever-so elusive Metal Gear movie Hideo is supposedly working on IS the would-be plot of rising? Copium, I know :/ but hear me out: Film as a medium would be perfect as we the players would see Raiden take on the world as he saw he needed to following his liberation from the Patriot AI at the end of 2. Regardless, I do agree with your take on revengence. For me it ruins the arc Raiden went through in 4 just to have him become a rather generic cyborg ninja and meme-machine along with a certain senator. I’d have loved to have seen the depths of despair, pain, and internal turmoil that crushed Raiden into the diamond he became for MGS4.

@Suicynic Год назад

Absolutely brilliant as always. Thank you.

@Gyrfalcon312 Год назад

I'm also just learning that _Rising_ was slated to be its own beast. As for your own proposals for a story outline, A+ !

@jackwilliam4436 Год назад

Excellent video. However, to me at least, the real biggest missed opportunity is the cruel lack of an instalment focused on The Boss. Just imagine it : Seeing how it all began, with The Joy and, leading the Cobra Unit and, most of all, accompanying The Boss, as the shapes her world view and trains Naked Snake.

@ericksanchez2496 Год назад

Always thought that concept art was great, could have been cool story. Almost like Lone Wolf and Cub/Shogun Assassin or more recently The Mandalorian.

@elvampe13 Год назад

I think this issue could have been easily solved if MGR: Revengeance had a level or two consisting of flashbacks where you play as Raiden during his mission to save Sunny from the Patriots.

@zer0stars Год назад

I feel like it would have broken the flow of the game especially with how bombastic the MGR: Revengeance characters are. Realistically, MGR:R is a game you can definitely finish in one sitting and most of the time, it's just travelling from cutscene to cutscene and boss fight to boss fight.

@KojiMadarA333 Год назад

Thank you, Max Keep on keeping on 👍🏼

@BioAlpha5 Год назад

i rememeber the og reveal and being blown away. shame we never got it but hey we got something else in return. Just as good im sure.

@Sinraiser 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for this! I always knew and was always thinking that I was the only one with this curiosity. I always wanted to see that rescue mission and how the scenario went down and how many ppl he killed in order to save her, how Sunny found out later about her mother and grandfather, how she also meet Otacon and Snake and more. Hideo is a God with these storylines but I think the only one who interfiered was Konami as always.

@donnyprocs Год назад

Amen man! ive been wishing for the original rising game since i first heard about what it was originally gonna be

@michiganjack1337 Год назад

I still refer to it as Rising, heck I still call the PS1 the PSX and 64 as Ultra 64. 😄 Another great video Boss, looking forward to the MGSV video. I presume snacks OSP as always?

@laseangames Год назад

WOW!!! This was a amazing video, i’m a big fan of the Metal Gear Solid series and wow. To be honest, I would love to see how Hideo Kojima’s version of Rising would have played out. I wonder if the game were to go in the way Kojima have written the story, would the story go in the direction of Sunny being the new protagonist of the Metal Gear Solid series and would Raiden be left with the position of being the father/mentor figure for her. Also, I wonder at any point of Hideo Kojima’s version of the story, would there be a plot point in the story where Raiden is put in a position where he has to preserve his body the same way that Big Boss did in MGS 4. 👀 Again, this was a Amazing Video!!! 👍🔥

@republicofsandles Год назад

One could contrast Raiden protecting Sonny by continuing his existence With Huey Emmerich seriously and deliberately endangering his children as part of his self-destructive tendency. I know you like Freud, so I've some aphorisms you might like: 1. Euphemistically, the death drive is a large factor in Japanese society today. One could wonder if Kojima was trying to show the harm to others which may occur from harming one's self. 2. Euphemistically, Eros plays a small factor in Japanese society today, because birth rates are lower. One could argue that Dark Souls and the option of linking the fire or not, frames the libidinal dilemma of whether or not to procreate.

@Hau5test Год назад

Yeah I’d love to see that story as well. It’s a nice gap a future Konami productions studio could work on

@silent_stalker3687 Год назад

Have you thought of covering the Doom books? Yes Doom has a book series and it is batshit insane- I love it

@alexsuavecitosuavecito3551 Год назад

Yes I was aware, I even remembered seeing those trailers but in the end it was in my time were i really didn’t know a lot of English, and I really wish now that at least a beta existed

@diegomedina9637 Год назад

"Were you aware of this cancelled version of Rising?" I've spent days looking at nothing until a frame of Raiden, Big Boss or the Number 5 would show up in a website back in like 2009.

@1992jkwj Год назад

raiden being the mc in mgs2 was fitting for the games theme: misinformation. it was genius

@olucaspc Год назад

if you think about it, it kinda makes sense that we: "the player" did not had any part in the self discovery journey Raiden had after mgs2. But I still would have liked to see the original mgr

@suprtroopr1028 Год назад

I concur. Snake and big boss' story has been shown almost beginning to end, yet the series' only other playable main character has a completely untold gap in time. I think raiden's tale absolutely would make for a potentially amazing game. It's just sad we'll probably never see it...

@eliteninja23 Год назад

#releasethekojimacut it’s been nice to see rising finally getting the popularity it deserves, that’s all I know.

@TheActualMrLink Год назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="70">1:10</a> that might be the first time I’ve ever heard Max say something even vaguely insulting to someone!

@GeekTheGecko Год назад

Finally someone mentions about the promotional art from 2005.

@_blood_moon_proto_1500 Год назад

i honestly would like to see a modern recreation of metal gear rising vengeance but recreated AS metal gear solid rising using the gameplay style shown from early development and early gameplay, even if its not in say the original engine, it would be fascinating to play it, especially the boss fights

@david.9633 Год назад

Great episode 👏

@AngelCruz-my8mi Год назад

Also in that 2005 promotional images snake was or look younger like big boss on mgs3

@DBTGAMER Год назад

I really would have liked to have seen the original metal Gear rising in some way shape or form. Good video.

@lincolnpascual Год назад

I would've liked to choose what body parts I sacrificed to upgrade... i mean, they ended up sort of touching on that with MGSV, letting you choose what arm you took into the fight... it's as simplified as the mechanic could possibly get, but it's there. I can imagine going into a fight, getting my ass handed to me, and then (in a typical MGS 4th wall break) dinnertime comes over the codec and says something like "it doesn't seem like you've got the right (insert upgrade here) to match (insert enemy here)... perhaps (insert character responsible for upgrades here) has a solution that might help?" and then you'd pull up a Drebin menu or maybe go to your Mother Base analog and upgrade before redeploying into the fight... It would've been pretty cool if done right, and you'd be able to seem the upgrades in your character model as Raiden slowly becomes more and more cybernetic over the game, to you end up with the version that first appears in MGS4.

@tylerramos7633 Год назад

I personally always loved Rising Revengeance and am glad it’s finally being acknowledged for how good it is.

@hrub Год назад

Damn I was thinking about this the other day

@coletteyamazaki608 Год назад

thats pretty cool, like rougelike customization of raiden literally stripping him further from being human to sub-human. and the further we go doing the gamer mindset customization we eventually get the end culmination cutscene of "i just couldnt escape it, in the end i will always just be...Jack the Ripper"

@maniacallyhappy Год назад

Revengence was an absolute love letter to the, "Beat'em Up" genre. I remember when the game first came out and I couldn't put the game down. I beat it in 7 hours and wanted so much more. Went on to beat the absolute crap out of it, hardest difficulty, with 100% complete. I shed a tear when my PS3 died and I couldn't play it anymore.

@SaiyanScholar Год назад

Metal Gear Rising is the True Metal Gear Solid 5.

@brachaalizah Год назад

I want so badly to figure out how to make a fan version of the game you proposed, why would you do this to me, I've been thinking about it non-stop for days since watching this.

@ducontra666999 Год назад

i loved the revengance, but i want to play the inicial version too...

@KyKy_Kyri Год назад

I was aware of this but I remember reading at the time, the Game was suppose to be about Raiden rescuing sunny, and then being captured by the Patriots and experimented on to continue where the grey fox experimens ended, as well as a way to punish and torture him for his actions in MGS2. this why he has the cybernetics and why at at the end of 4 he calls himself a beast. He wouldn't volunteer to being a cyborg. Hell he had an issue with his own blood being taken from him in 2, let alone his body being augmented. But This could be 2 games it could be the story I mentioned aboved then a 2nd game following Raiden and EVA rescuing BIG Boss' body from the Patriots! Overall I agree this has always been the game I wished was made

@panos3320 Год назад

Indeed i was aware of the Solid Rising Story ark. A missed opportunity for sure. They probably thought they would have their chance to make it at some other point, but Konami's shift to gambling ruined all those plans. When i think about how Raiden becoming a cyborg would have gone down, i usually imagine he would infiltrate the Patriots base, but he would be captured pretty early on. Then, there would be a harsh scene where the patriots would experiment on him, Striping him of his humanity and puting him in a cybernetic body, with a scene of his human body casually being discarded and cremated. The patriots would not have total control over him, so they would still try to manipulate him to do their bidding like in the past. The game would be about Raiden overcoming their schemes, comming to terms with his new state of being that wasn't his choice while also trying to complete his original goal, saving Sunny.

@garfeldi8466 Год назад

i still want the original idea with gray fox

@no01sman Год назад

start the game off as raiden pre-patriot augmentation then the player gets captured somewhere along the way of the mission/story and transformed to everyones favorite stiletto cyborg ninja is saved by some inside person competes the msision boom!!! whole game just fill in with plot and a cool kojima subtext. plus i loved mgrr gameplay and blade mode but honestly when i look back at metal gear online 2 the way raiden played in that was just really fun i would have had alot of fun or how the raiden suit in mgsv works?!?! those two are real good examples that raiden is still vaiable for a stealth based game i feel like idk tho thats just me

@funwithfrank7522 Год назад

Yeeeessss thanks max

@Wolf21973 Год назад

I always wish we got a game playing as The Boss back in WW2 with her Cobra unit.

@chrisr6503 Год назад

There was an all-Japanese

@27mayanman Год назад

Also, I would add that a Remake of MGS 1 and Metal Gears 1 and 2 from the MSX would be great too.

@oscar-cm4rc Год назад

I like your energy here bro

@AshleyBlackwater Год назад

Metal gear solid: rising could still be a pretty cool story concept if they ever decided to make any new metal gear games, thought I'd prefer modern remakes first. Could probably be done easier after those remakes to, with all the systems ect

@Xarkom89 Год назад

Metal Gear’s biggest missed opportunity was Metal Gear Online (2) and its further extension to possibly being its own stand alone service. They truly had a unique online game that was later botched with the MGSV release.

@think2positive Год назад

seems to me like the longhaired guy with a baby thing partially got repackaged in death stranding.

@ahmadmoner Год назад

I remember there was rising... and when the Revengeance memes exploded I start searching for Rising... but could not find the game got me all confused ... because I clearly remember it was out or be out....

@GugureSux Год назад

I can assure you, people have been discussing this very exact stuff since the game came out. Fans have wanted the "missing link" between MGS2 and 4 (in Raiden's perspective) for 15 years soon.

@ManuelRiccobono Год назад

I think we should have a MGRR prequel in the future

@FutureDeep Год назад

It's time for Jack to let 'er sip! **feeds baby**

@MatthewBester Год назад

Huh, I remember Rising. I never realised it was changed to something else. How strange.

@lightmonkey1221 Год назад

If every part of Raiden is replaced is he still Raiden? The cyborg ninja is an embodiment of the theseus ship, Raiden even after all the changes cant escape his past or morality... or his luscious locks...

@ItalianJoe83 Год назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="817">13:37</a> The #ReleaseTheKojimaCut hashtag may also have some analogies with the "Metal Gear Solid V Experience" "for a S-Special reason."