Raiden: "If I had a nickel for every time I've killed a cyborg politician in a swordfight on top of a building, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened twice."
Honestly i believe that a part of Solidus would be proud of Raiden for how strong he has become and for helping Solid Snake bring down The Patriots once and for all
Am I the only one who feels REALLY heartbroken when Solidus dies? The slow, sad theme playing, the way he weakly reaches for the statue... it's like he didn't just die, but his dream of freedom died with him
Madkatz Productionz His dream may have been right, but his means of doing so meant killing large amounts of innocent people. Not to mention the fact that Ocelot orchestrated his whole plan to defeat the Patriots anyway.
@@Daily_Bassist Absolutely right by going to the Big Shell to steal Arsenal Gear so that he could learn the identity of the Patriots and eliminate them, Solidus Snake fell right into their trap
I know not many people will like my opinion but Raiden was an excellent character in MGS2. While Solid Snake stories are alwais him first appearing as a man who can do everything but in reality he is just a mind-made soldier with PTSD whk can only fight his twin brother, Raiden actually achieves something in his own story (kills Solidus and makes possible the discovery of the Patriots). In addition, he fights the perfect cloned son of the greatest soldier of the 20th century and wins without a margin.
not to mention, he decides to take on snake's advice to heart and does what _he_ wants to do: saving sunny, helping destroy the patriots then later on take down world marshal
Bruh I basically simp for solid snake but I recognize what a good character Raiden was. He hooked me the first time I played mgs 2 btw when he started slowly rembering his past.
despite Kojima not being the only writer of MGS2, It's actually an amazing story that feels more and more relevant to today, it definitely was ahead of its time, but it most certainly feels relevant.
That not being the only writer part is why this game has a story that still holds up today.from mgs4 kojima has consistently proved he is not that good of a writer
The MG series is actually a Japanese critique of American foriegn policy and its ramification of domestic American politics. Any decent Japanese writer with a nationalist bend will write the same kind of story.
Solidus snake was the good guy. He tried to take down the shadowy cabal (the patriots) controling America & the world. Does Kojima know something we don't?
@@tgdude6379 Nice try but MGS2 was just as bat shit crazy storyline wise as mgs4, Nd he did write the entire story for mgs2 lmao. You little kids and your revisionist history is WILD.
@@SycoticForeverNeverAF yet MGS4 story remains as controversial as the Phantom Pains while MGS2 is as loved as MGS1 and MGS3. Why do you think that is?
"Both of you are just weapons to be used and thrown away... And a weapon has no right to think for itself." I love that they brought this motif back again in Metal Gear Rising with Blade Wolf. "What good's an intellect if you can't use it." Raiden didn't want him to be merely used as a weapon like himself, but to think for itself and forge its own path.
Metal Gear Solid had the Fistfight boss fights with Gray Fox and Liquid Snake, while Metal Gear Solid 2 had this swordfight boss fight we see here. I love it when games give us unique boss fights like these as opposed to just running around shooting at someone for 10 - 15 minutes.
Solidus' goals seemed very noble. He wanted a world free of the patriots control, this is accentuated brilliantly as he spends his last fews seconds of life looking up at a character he admired and sought to follow ..makes you wonder, perhaps you killed the good guy.
While Solidus ended up being in the right about a lot of things, calling him a “hero”, even an anti-hero, would be a stretch. He killed Raiden’s parents, then raised him to be a killer. He’s the reason for Raiden’s “Ripper” persona. I’d call him a “Well-Intentioned Extremist,” but not remotely heroic.
@@greywalker505 your 50% right but villains always got a good reasons but in other hand they got some crazy nut ideas and did some awful things that's why there's nothing called hero or vilan only right and bad excit in this world
If I were to get a nickel for every time Raiden has fought an American politician who talked about nanomachines and can produce streams of flame from the ground. I would have 2 nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice.
@@razzy9172Solid Snake is a hero (even if he might deny it). Big Boss during MGS3 and PO is a hero. The Boss was a hero. Even if you want to say there's no heroes. There are certainly evil villains like Volgin and Skullface.
To make things worse, Solidus would go from being Warlord, to President, to becoming a skinless near-corpse in plastic, to be tossed unceremoniously into a fire.
I wish that Venom Snake, instead of being a body double, eventually became Solidus. Think about it. Solidus and Venom had both been in Afghanistan and Africa in the 80s. Raiden was a child soldier Solidus found on the African continent. Venom Snake eventually realizes that he isn't really Big Boss and his own sense of reality was challenged on the battlefield (I am referring to the unfinished Episode 51, where Venom accidentally shoots Eli, mistaking his red outfit for a white XOF outfit), which is almost the same personal conflict Raiden has about his own damaged sense of reality in MGS2. Venom and Solidus were both made to look like Big Boss in his 40s (Solidus explains this at one point). Top it all off, Venom Snake was the one who uncovered the Patriots' plot and Solidus' entire motivation was destroying the Patriots. MGSV could have been an incredible origin story for Solidus Snake. Oh well.
George is younger then both Eli and David; he couldn't have possibly been ild enough to be in those situations at those times, considering Eli was barely 12 when Venom Snake met him in Africa, and it wouldn't be until 20 years later that David and Eli would fight at Shadow Mosses, so no, it wouldn't have made more sense for George to ha e been the Medic / Venom Snake.
@@eugeneturner7520 That makes no sense because Soldius himself says in MGS2 that he was fighting in Afghanistan in the 80s and he adopted Jack (Raiden) at some point late in that conflict. He was biologically an adult. MGSV takes place in 84. Also, as I already stated, Solidus was specifically made to look like Big Boss as an adult. He says this in MGS2 directly. The exact method of this procedure could have been what they did with Venom at the beginning of V. I'm not saying Venom IS Solidus. I'm saying that they could have very easily made Venom become Solidus with only a handful of tweaks to the writing and it would have been even more interesting. The two characters are so similar and their stories and timelines very closely line up that I wish they had done that.
@@johndevitt5619 That still wouldn't make any sense, because it's been confirmed that Solidus Snake - George Sears - is the youngest Big Boss clone. Liquid Snake and Solid Snake - David and Eli - are both twins, and are the same age. Eli was barely 12 or 13 years old when he was running around Africa in the 80s as White Mamba. Solidus Snake was created after the Twin Snakes by some years, as he was born in 1972. George Sears was 37 when he experienced brain death at the hands of Raiden, before he was cremated by Liquid Ocelot at age 42. During his pre-teen years, when he was just a few years younger then Liquid, Solidus was dispatched as a child soldier to fight in the Liberian Civil War, but he was still a kid at that time. Even with the accelerated aging, Solidus didn't start to resemble Big Boss until later in his life, considering that Solid Snake's accelerated aging didn't kick in until he was in his mid-30s, and it wasn't bad until he was in his late 30s / early 40s. It's very unlikely that, even with plastic surgery and memory implants, Solidus wouldn't have been an ideal body double for Big Boss at that point in time as he would have been significantly younger even with the accelerated aging, and aside from that, he was like 11 during that conflict - do you really think Big Boss would have been all for letting an adolescent clone of himself run Diamond Dogs?
i played this along with it has to be this way (the theme song of the second politician raiden murdered) and the end when raiden kills solidus it timed perfectly with the end of the second loop
7:28 where did snake came from? last time we saw him he was diving in the ocean trying to follow a machine that is 1000 time faster than him, then suddenly he is right behind riden.
Either he swam to shore or was picked up by a rescue boat.... After all Arsenal Gear literally crashed its way all the way till Federal Hall that alone should have mobilized everyone
“You’re nothing but mere weapons. No different from fighter jets or tanks.” “What the -“ “The old model destroyed four years ago was “REX”. “The current amphibious model is “RAY”.” “Both of these are the same as code names used by the U.S. Armed Forces to refer to Japanese war planes in World War 2.” “Your code name “Raiden” too, comes from one of the Japanese navy’s names for one of its interceptors...” “Stop it, I’m not a weapon!” “Oh really? Do you know the code name the U.S. Armed Forces used for the Japanese fighter “Raiden”?” *”It was “Jack”.”* That part always gave me chills.
I always thought it would've been much more badass if it had been storming during this fight like during the tanker mission, they could have even made it to where a bolt of lightning strikes at the exact moment that Raiden delivers the deathblow to Solidus, it would've fit in perfectly with Solid Snake' s "lightning in the rain" comment in MGS4
Raiden beat 20 Metal Gear Rays, the former president who's the perfect clone of the perfect soldier wearing an enchanced cyber suit in a sword fight while being a regular dude whose only real training was playing MGS1.
When i first played this I didn't want to kill Solidus because i somewhat agreed with him. So i fought him with my barefists but when at the end Raiden still killed him with the sword I felt like an idiot
Weirdly enough I agree entirely with both him and the manifesto given by GW. People deserve absolute freedom, but at the same time it's hard to imagine they will make good use of it. He did not deserve to become a writing pile of flesh in a bodybag and I hate how MGS4 reduced his legacy to that.
Solidus got duked hard by Raiden if Raiden was a basketball player you can see Raiden does a fake slash and he knew solidus was charging at him and goes around his back
5:22 That looks very weird, because to my understanding he is supposed to reach for an american flag there, but after 9/11 they had to cut some stuff out and for some reason that flag was among them... It's not like they cut out every flag in the game...
I think liquid pales in comparation to solidus i mean he was the former president of the USA and he wears an armored suit with tentacles wich can also aumentate his capabilities and has two swords what does liquid have? A six pack (?
I sincerely think Solidus is an overdone character, confonting Raiden which is only using a few handguns, while Solidus is in a *freaking gunship* and still losing is... Weird... Also Solidus barely shuts up, his tendency to blurt out everything in his mind has him telegraph *every single attack* that's just not very *Uber Solddier-ish* I mean Big Boss can't be much if whiny-era Raiden killed his perfect clone
With everything (above) said and clarified, despite Solidus being a horribly flawed character, he still is definitely one of the best characters in the series, his strengths and unique "evil heroic patriotic terrorist" personality shine on their own Besides he's the only memorable character introduced in MGS2. Too bad that he (despite his former deeds and achievements) accomplished *absolutely nothing* during the game... Losing to the bitchiest incarnation of Raiden ever 😢 that's just hollow and disappointing... Raiden? Vamp? Both terribly gay and forgettable😑 Liquid Messalot? A villain that doesn't even know what or who he is himself? Pfff! I'd take a ressurected Solidus any day of the week.
So when the weird ghost robots started talking about how I was a weapon I switched my sword to knock out and kinda expected a different ending like solidus only gets knocked out and I prove to the AI that I’m not a weapon and have a choice but I’m kinda disappointed that there isn’t But I can overlook it quiet easily just because of how much I enjoyed this game not as much as 3 but I really enjoyed this and am glad I picked up the metal gear solid series
I often kinda thought that Solidus should've been able to be spared. Despite all of his doings, overthrowing Patriots sooner would've been much better. Man,they could remake MGS2 and MGS4 with multiple endings and no one would complain
This is first time he actually did fight one, only too fight a vampire in 2014, and than a Senator in 2020 with the ability Liquid Ocelot had (Nanomachines)
What's funny Is about the fact that Raiden and solidus were just pauns in a simulation. The same thing happened in mgs3 with the boss, she was a paun used for the sole purpose of getting the US's money.
It's very likely that it's something that has to do with what was supposed to be a US flag hanging from the flag post shown in the cutscene. Metal Gear Solid 2 released at a very bad time; if I recall it was in the November of 2001. This is a very serious time period, considering 9/11 happened just months ago. To not create any feelings of insensitivity, the production team of MGS2 removed the flags and a couple cutscenes that involved the destruction of national monuments (Arsenal hitting the Statue of Liberty and crashing into the Federal Hall--instead it just appears in its resting position and you fall onto the roof). It's likely that Solidus is reaching out for a flag, and that Raiden was supposed to cut the flag down and send it draping over Solidus as a final farewell. Personally, I think that sounds way more badass.
Well the flag part is obvious, there's a scene or two where it literally just shows a flag post. Not to mention Raiden's sword thing doesn't really make much sense in the end without the symbolic flag. There's also just the time it came out. Thanks for the compliment, though... and it took quite a bit of research to find out about those cut cutscenes, though the Federal Hall one is obvious... the whole intro to this part makes no sense, everything just turns to white, as if Raiden lost consciousness or something...
Read the description "The final boss of MGS2 Solidus Snake, taken from the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection for PS2" I didn't know the HD Collection is in PS2
I played through the MGS Collection on winter break, but MGS2 was the only one I had no clue what I just played through when it was over. Made no sense too me at all
@@crystalalumina Is Metal Gear Solid's plot hard to follow for a lot of people? Like, legitimate question, how difficult is it for people who didn't grow up with this series, or even for those who did, to follow the plot of these games? I recently spent, I don't know, 6 hours trying to explain the plot of these games to a friend of mine, and I'm still not sure if they get it or not? Anyone here know of any better or easier ways to explain Metal Gear Solid to people, without insisting they go play all of the games in order from the very first one?
@@eugeneturner7520 based on my experience it seems most people don't bother to keep information on their head, to the point that there's still a LOT of people who think Solid Snake and Big Boss look identical (blame Smash Bros), I personally got introduced to the series recently and had no problem with it
In this final boss were faced to fight Dr octo from the spider verse,with his tentacles of doom and two swords,that try to slash us,but the one issue here is that unlike in mgr where swords actually slice here they act more of a glorified baseball bat.
if you really whant to enjoy MGS you have to play original MGS then MGS2 then MGS3 then PORTABLE OPS and PEACE WALKER and last MGS4 then you really going to freak out and say MGS is AWESOME ! seriously you have to do it only after finishing one next day you must play the next one and yeah playing alone is stupid so better with your friend. MGS is the best thing that ever happend to me ! thx Hideo Kojima
Now that's ultimate strenght and power I call that the destroyer of doom anabomanation and energy now you all can call me the over lord of darkness and despair and the ultimate destruction now let there be victory in the powers to be
Whoa, Solidus may have had good intentions, but he was NOT by any means a good man. He even admitted it, himself, during his lecture to Raiden about killing his patents. The guy us an extremists in the best case scenario, and while I can respect men of action, he's still a major A-Hole. David's whole family kind of has this problem with grandiose visions of themselves, always believing they know best and that they're the only ones who can see a way forward; from John / Jack all the way down to Eli and George, here, they're all narcissists to some level. David was the only good one, and even then, by his own standards, he still sees himself as nothing more then an old killer hired to do some wet work. The world would be better off without snakes in it, and that's the terrible truth, because all these guys did in the end was destroy the world, but luckily enough, David was able to reverse most of the damage they caused.
tbh this fight is pretty boring like tbh you just block block block you attack then his block and then block block and repeat and sometimes he might just set you on fire or something but still
