Hi friends, I apologize for referencing K-POP in this video instead of J-POP. I have done hours and hours of extensive musical analysis for K-POP music, and I was totally unfamiliar with this group before making this video. Rather than calling them a K-POP group, I was really just using K-POP as a reference point for some of the musical elements. I'd urge you to overlook this oversight on my end, and please enjoy the 45-minute reaction and analysis video, during which all we do is express our love and admiration for these groups, while diving deep into the musical elements.
It's still anachronistic to call their style "k-pop", specially when the japanese idol industry PRE-DATES k-pop. They're japanese both in style and nationality. I suggest you read a little about the history of the South Korean idol industry. Not trying to be mean. This comes from someone who just loves metal and a few k-pop groups (Itzy, Aespa, Loona...)
Totally understandable misstep, as you didn't know their origin, and K-Pop has a level of cultural penetration into the west that J-Pop never really achieved. Glad it was enjoyed and hopefully this won't be the last time you explore the band to see what they do on their own. Once you have you'll see that even though they came out of the same Idol system, their music is a bit different from others of the sort.
👍I believe there will be more collaborations between these two awesome bands. It would be cruel not to give us more. Su's shot in the famous John Travolta’s 'Saturday Night Fever' pose was cool. 🦊 🖖❤
Yes, understood. I was completely unfamiliar with this group before shooting this video, but I'm quite familiar with KPOP. I was more just comparing what I heard stylistically rather than claiming they are a KPOP group -- thanks for understanding.
K-pop was created from a copy of J-pop, a combination of American pop music and J-pop. Japan is a rock-obsessed country. It is very different from other Asian countries. It has a very long history, and the craze began when the Beatles came to Japan in 1966 and played five concerts at the Budokan. When it comes to hard rock/heavy metal music, numerous bands started coming to Japan in the 1970s. Today, one can enjoy all kinds of rock music here, especially women-only bands and many bands fronted by women.
Lee Soo Man, the creator of SM Entertainment, has always been open about the ways j-pop shaped how his company creates and promotes music in SK. It was basically modeled after the Japanese idol industry due to the success of groups like SMAP
31:26 second "Are you ready?" is "Momo-Metal's Voice" 38:14 Yes, that "Everybody" has Momo-Metal's Voice Momo-Metal is new member of Babymetal. If you wanna see her first PEAK i recommend "Babymetal - Headbanger (Momobanger ver.)" PS.She can make "Harsh Voice"
It goes without saying that this is one of my favorite analysis videos ever, and such a joy (and a dream-come-true) to collaborate with the wonderful Elizabeth Zharoff over on TCV! We had an absolutely blast breaking down this iconic song. By the way, right before this video premieres on my channel, we have another collaborative analysis video premiering on her channel! We're so excited to share these videos with you all :] please comment below and other songs you'd like Elizabeth and I to team up for!
@@PeterBarber Anything by Dimash! He has lots of new songs you both haven’t heard. 😉 You have asked us once if you should show Dimash to some sopranos. (But I don’t think you have meant Elizabeth, since she knows him already, or did you? 🤔)
Some of my favourite parts of this were when you brought in the synth/audio engineering perspective! As well as yours and Elizabeth‘s vocal knowledge, it makes you two a perfect fit for analyzing EC (I come to them as a techno fan but more reactors seem to have metal backgrounds) So I guess my request for the next collaboration between you both would be: the next EC single 😅 (Also Peter - if you haven’t hit their track Mindreader yet, it’s a more serious one but high energy, vocals, and a slightly different style to WGTM and RATATATA which do have similar structures) Also while we are appreciating audio production- their guitarist Daniel Haniß is also their main composer and sole producer. A genius!
@@stormwarnings_ Love Mindreader, Hate/Love, Parasite, and the other serious songs just as much as the funny ones. 😊 And then there are the great collabs, that aren’t even on their channel, like Castrop x Spandau (Kalle Koschinsky) and Pizza Homicide. (Samurai Pizza Cats) 🤩
That's the case in the US, too. I think Peter actually had that in mind but chose just let Elizabeth have fun with her light saber theory and keep it to a minimal "or other weapons" aside.
Babymetal started out before Kpop got this big :) They are a fusion of Jpop and Metal, not Kpop. I can see how nowadays people can confuse it but just for the future, it's not all kpop that comes from asia :D
Babymetal is incredibly choreographed. But, since Nico and Kevin can't dance that well they just moved how they felt. Just behind the gals so they didn't distract them. Also, Elizabeth missed the Momo-metal growl of "are you ready" after Kevin's.
If I remember correctly, Nico and Kevin said during their reaction video is that they were taught the dance, and felt like they did a good job trying to keep up with BabyMetal. However when they saw that none of those clips made the final cut they realized how bad it must have been, while again recognizing how great the girls are at their crafts Additionally, throughout the song and video, each group had moments to shine individually and together, and the “color” of BabyMetal moments are when it’s a color of bronze gold. (Paraphrasing) Nico and Kevin said the last chorus was BabyMetal idea cause they would normally end the song on the verse after the breakdown
As a dutchie, from being very young we used " ratatatatata!" with the hand gesture of a pistol. My body is a weapon. Meaning that as a child you use your hand as a fake pistol to play and you say " Ratatatata!" as if you're shooting someone.
I think that the reason people are missing Momometals harsh vocals, is that she is not overpowered by Kevin, but rather she is matching Kevin's scream, and people can't tell them apart. and, you missed the most powerfull of the harsh vocals of Momo, Right after the drop, you first hear Kevin's Scream and "ARE YOU READY", then if you listen closely during the second "ARE YOU READY" its a different voice There are several live performances where Momo does harsh vocal, that backs up her ability to do them.
I think it's partly the mix. The live music video BM put out on their channel from the Foxfest performance makes Momo's harsh vocals way more apparent.
Electric Callboy did a reaction to the reactions of this song. Its a fun watch. They said Bun Bun Bun was Baby Metal's idea they originally were going for Boom Boom Boom, but the other way was how Japanese do it so it would relate better for them. Or something to that effect.
Good reaction/analysis, but I'm disappointed Elizabeth didn't pick you up on the constant KPop references ....Specifically K = Korean. BABYMETAL are Japanese - they started as a fusion of Metal with JPop hooks melodies and aesthetics. JPop pre-dates KPop by several years, but where KPop is aimed at the American market JPop is for the domestic Japanese market. The dancing at the end - all very carefully choreographed, rehearsed and performed .... you were watching Nico and Kevin who were completely unable to do the choreo (they tried) so were just vibing at the back. Bit more detail on how this collaboration came about - BABYMETAL like to mix things up and they were wanting to make a song in the Electric Callboy style that everybody could dance along with, but they felt something was missing. They decided they would ask EC if they wanted to get involved, so as they were both playing in Boston BABYMETAL went to the EC concert and met up with them back stage and chatted before the show. 'RATATATA' was the result and, although it is very much in the EC style, it was a real 50-50 collaboration with a lot of back and forth between both bands and over 20 versions of the song before they all agreed this was the one. They have played it live together at least 8 times already - twice in Tokyo at the FOX_FEST events BABYMETAL arranged, hosted and headlined and in both bands' sets at Rock im Park and Rock am Ring festivals in Germany and Resurrection Fest in Spain and you can see they are all having the very best time .... and so were the crowds at all those shows.
@@martinmetal7481 there is no type of lap dancing choreo in kpop mate dont know where thats from, but truth is babymetal arent really dancers its just pretty basic choreo, kpop is where the actual dancers are who have years of experience as backup dancers for artists etc and are trained properly as dancers
@@triplej8666 martinmetal is right, look up Mikiko Mizuno who has been their choreographer at least since 2010, probably even before then in Su-metal's case as I think she was also the choreographer at Actors School Hiroshima where Su was learning since the age of 7 and for Su's previous group Karen Girl's. Mikiko choreographed Japan's segment of the Rio Olympic closing ceremony and was heading on the Tokyo Olympics before it was postponed. Momometal studied ballet, jazz and other dance styles since she was a child too - her ambition at one time was to tour as a back up dancer for a top artists - she did that for 4 years as a support dancer for BABYMETAL before she was revealed as the official third member. The main difference between BABYMETAL's choreo and KPop choreo (as I see it) is that BABYMETAL use their choreo to interpret the meaning of a song or a lyric and to lead the crowd and get everybody involved. From what I've seen (admittedly not much so I'm prepared to be proved wrong) KPop choreo is mainly showing off their moves, so all very complicated and intricate, creating impressive patterns etc, but largely meaningless.
Elizabeth knew, but this is Peter's channel, and he didn't know. I'm pretty sure he does now. I guess with all the reactions Elizabeth does, it's hard to remember everything about every band.
You know those exist all over Asia, there's Korean and Chinese versions of multi-tailed magical foxes, too 😉But for real - Japanese and Korean prolly don't like it to much being put in the same old mixing bowl😅
Electric Callboy is totally Sour patch kids. A shock of contrasting flavors that hit hard at first, but then you realize they mellow and go so well together. Each bite is a fresh burst. And then you find yourself addicted to them.
And yes, Babymetal is J-pop (or rather its subdivision J-Idols, or even more precisely metal idols), it has nothing to do with K-pop. J-pop and K-pop are completely different.
Babymetal started in 2010. Numerous world tours. Accolades from Metalica, Rob Halford, Rob Zombie, Red Hot Chili Peppers. Toured with Lady Gaga, Guns and Roses, RHCP. Upbeat, positive, female empowering, happy songs. Extremely hard working band.
oh dear, I am getting out of date on your research, Elizabeth. I gotta track down the MRI. The Synth : that's Kevin.. he does the synth programming, from what I hear.... multitalented, he is. The Riser : It's the classic Houdini Audio Misdirection. The FoodFight : I got nuthin, lol. The Synth during the Giant Discoball discussion : I personally LOVE the slowblend from Wurlitzer organ to synth-up-thru-the-LP Lightning Blue Slushee : ok, I'm getting a brain freeze. Stop it. Raccoons in Super Mario : I was thinking giant jellyfish on the move Dropouts to emphasize the Fu-Fu : A favorite topic of mine : Metal bands can be so good at carving out some audio white space for vocal spotlight space : Arjen, Tuomas and Epica are phenomenal at this. Momo's Harshs : she has a little "tear" (like a burlap rip) in her "Everybody" line... so distinct. Sounds high in the tract... almost base-of-tongue, but 'swallowed down as she hits the final syllable. Hey, knock it off you two... I gotta go to work and there's no time finish the video. Great fun. Thanks to Peter and Elizabreath for this bun-bun-bun time. - - Blind Doc Jones
Babymetal is 100% J-Pop and 100% Metal, all at the same time. A Babymetal concert is a metal dance party, though the instrumentation is brutal. Ratatata I believe is the drum beat btw. A simple 4/4 drumbeat. Kick-snare-snare-snare
If you are going to discuss Momometal's harshes (there is no "if"), then go to Headbanger (Momo version). Sadly, while I enjoyed your analysis, it was so one-sided, heavily focused on EC (not that this is the problem), but this was a colab that couldn't have worked without both sides and what they bring. I would have loved to hear the input from you about the BM contribution. Mind you, as soon as I heard K-Pop, I was hoping you'd have a fire resistant suit handy!
37:48 they had to keep the dance moves simple for EC's sake. Babymetal went out of their comfort zone doing their verse w/o choreography, electric callboy did their best to dance in sync
It's a good thing that Baby Metal has such a nice and welcoming fan base....or all the k-pop references would be like bombs falling across the chat scroll. ROFL
The fact she didn’t correct him even once up to this point (I’m 16 minutes in) when she has listened to them a few times and was informed/corrected by many of us before, is annoying the crap out of me. Couple that with the incessant going back more than 5-10 seconds multiple times…this video is almost unwatchable for me. I know they’re just going over some technical things, but constantly going back to the beginning rather than just a few seconds is grating at me for some reason tonight.
its not a big deal really, jpop and kpop are very similar genres and the typical female jpop sound and typical female kpop sound share atleast a 90% similarity
Loved this collab analysis of the collab of two of my favorite bands, thank you! If you want to see pure Babymetal check out "Road of Resistance, Live in Japan (Official)" from their channel, it is right in the bullseye of who they are. Anything they have ever done live will be excellent in any case.
My range in both chest voice and head voice improved after learning false cord screaming, so there might be some truth to the benefits. Also, the bun bun fu fu (however it is spelled) is a cultural sound in Japan, a la 'döp döp döp' from Germany, 'lå lå lå from Scandinavia, and I know Brazil has a very distinct one as well.
38:21 They’re not doing the Dio metal horns… their middle fingers and thumbs are extended, it’s their sign of The Fox God… which is a deep part of BabyMetal’s backstory.
Apart from the constant K-Pop thing (they are Japanese!) a fine analysis, fun and in depth at the same time. On" RATATATA, my body is a weapon" Ec are German, and most Germans, when asked to impersonate a machine gun, would say something like RATATATA or DADADADADA. Since she became a full band member in early 2023, Momo has done growls on a number of occasions. EC's tour manager, known@YT as Tank the Tech, has confirmed that according to his information, Momo did indeed contribute growls to this recording.
I've never thought of this combo as a type of food but I'm going to throw it out there. This is how they make me feel. Electric Callboy is the inside of a quadruple chocolate fudge cake with a layer of dark chocolate kitkat crunchies hiding somewhere in the mix. They have a rich, thick, crunchy, delicious feel that just makes your insides scream with joy. A bit of a guilty pleasure even. Like you're not suppose to enjoy them as much as you do but you just can't help yourself. Baby Metal is like the layers of Boston Creme inside and outside of the cake. Sweet, light and airy, with a little bit of tanginess that just slaps. They're the icing on the cake that takes the whole thing to a new level. Separate they're great but together they spike my dopamine levels like nothing else. This combo truly gives a high that you can't get anywhere else legally. It's truly effing amazing! I just want more and more! I think I have an addiction!
While this is definitely within Babymetal’s wheelhouse, this is definitely one of their most poppy songs. Most of their stuff is more metal less pop. Would really recommend checking out the live performance called “Momobanger” to hear more of their “typical” sound as well as more of Momo’s harshes. There’s a good video on the channel named “For the Fox God”
Headbanger in general is a great song, Momo's performance on that channel is my absolute favorite version though Edit* the actual name of the song is Headbangeeeeerrrrr!!!!! Lol
Europeans are people who rarely mistake J-POP for K-POP, but people in the U.S. often get it quite wrong. K-POP is a Korean national policy, so the U.S., the biggest music market, is the target (as well as Japan), and the business style prioritizes exposure, so the general public I don't blame them for thinking so. For those who know J-POP, they have no idea what the similarities are.😅
Ratatata must refer to the drums, the beat that makes us move . As you said in the beginning "we are very basic, but we are dancing" and "there are something are wrong with you if you don't move while listening to this". Then ther are the lyrics: "I feel the beat in my veins" "hips don't lies" "make you feel that vibe" "my body is a weapon" (the moshpit) "We're gonna hit the floor" (dance) "everybody's feeling the sound of the night" "I'm here for the moment, here for the beat" "bun bun bun" (also the sound of a drum) "everybody's feeling the sound of the night" Etc Every thing refers to the beat, the rhythm that drives the music. It's just like the Swedish band from the 80's Ratata it was also a direct reference to the drums.
Well, actually they DID tour together, at least in part: In Foxfest Japan and Rock im Park/am Ring in Germany! And yes, it is Momo growling that time you realized it and the second "Are you ready?!" a bit earlier!
Ratatata is an onomatopoeic term used to represent rapid or repetitive succession of drum beats. It is often used to mimic the sound in various forms of media, including music, movies, or video games, to add intensity or excitement to the scene.
Even in music that onomatopoeic device is used to evoke gunfire. Metallica’s ‘One’ is the classic example where a snare is used to portray the horrors of WWI trench warfare under the newly deployed machine gun.
If I may ask, what problem do you have with the pausing? You’re watching this video to get their input on the song, so that’s what they’re gonna give you. Idk why anyone would complain about that 😅
Good reaction :) BUT they're Japanese and kpop and jpop are pretty different things - if you haven't already been told :P. And yes - some of the harsh vocals were from BM ;) BM are a LIVE band though - you should try and see one of their own tracks live if possible - they're ivariably better than their MVs
Electric Callboy have done a Reaction to Reaction to Ratatata video where they explain many details about the collaboration. And what is missing from their video, you can catch on Tank's reaction video (who happens to be ECB tour manager).... FYI
Without reading a single comment...is it a Roast Fest for all the K-pop comments?? LoL!! Babymetal are from Japan not Korea..!! LoL!! Thanks for the reaction/analysis and as always.... Put your Kitsune UP!!
I have heard two explanations for Ratatata * Its a drum term for the techno drums you hear again and again in this song * Its a machine gun Personally I believe in the first
That is probably a matter of association by sound on limited knowledge. At least they seem to be willing to be educated so I hope this will be the first and only. bad assumption.
The first harsh from Momometal came thus: Kevin: ...waiting for the DOWN. Are you ready?! Momo: Are you ready?! Let's go!!! The let's go may have been mixed with both.
A lot of ways to describe Babymetal's sound; a common one is "Kawaii metal" or "Kawaii-core." Kawaii translates as "Cute" (roughly) and is a combination of J-Pop and full on metal. Definitely on display here--Since Electric Callboy are masters of mixing Europop dance hall styles with metal, it's a perfect match!
my take on what food they would be together is a banana split with strawberry ice cream instead of vanilla and with lingonberry syrup and crumbled bacon on top
Babymetal are heavier than EC in general. I see BM as a metal band, with some j-pop sugar mixed in, versus a J-pop group with a sprinkle of metal....if this were the case, I'd probably never have become of fan. They do have songs that have 0 J-pop.
Nice one! When Nico and Su sings together, “doubling” as you call it, was a really smart design choice, especially for the live! You gotta consider that both bands will play this song a lot live, and most of the time without the other party present! Also, Momo’s growls were the second “ARE YOU READY” during the break down, and “everybody”, and “out of control”. Babymetal suggestions: *Megitsune (Pia Arena MM):* A classic, but recent performance. *Monochrome (Pia Arena MM):* heartfelt, emotional, and melodic. Yet heavy. *Headbanger (Legend MM):* Mar 2024 show for Momo’s 21st birthday. She takes lead and growls!! *Road of Resistance (Official Live):* Jan 2015 show, and an amazing power metal battle anthem. All 4 of the above songs have some really amazing vocal moments as well, but also to show Babymetal’s range in fusing J-Pop and metal. Look forward to more Babymetal!! 🤘🦊
32:29 this kinda buildup with snare drums is not just a metal thing. it's also very common in eurodance as sort of a riser (tho usually done with volume increase)
I have a lot of octopus plushies too. I had a real pet octopus once, too. Amazing creatures. Mostly I'm more into aardvarks, though. Plushies only so far. I've been following Babymetal for > a decade. And then this. Confused. But not upset. 😊 This colab is.. Um, it needs some thinking about.
Other things to take note of. The first chorus sung by Su is missing most of the music, it's more like a build up to the post chorus at first. This is to keep the chorus more fresh when you hear it later on. The second verse (sung in Japanese by Su) uses the Harmonic minor scale instead of a Pentatonic one, it's why it sounds different. Also the expected 3rd repeat of the 'Ratatata' pre-chorus after the mirror-ball verse, is condensed into a kind of musical jumpscare; designed to reset the brain, and literally get you 'ready for the drop'. There are a number of other musical tricks in here as well. This song may be fun, but they took the construction of this song very seriously. The earworms this song can produce are like something from Dune.😄 And the video is simple, but extremely memorable. Almost dream-like.
Momo has said she is still developing her vocal techniques and Babymetal have been very coy in the editing of videos of their live performances to not make her occasional growling/harsh moments become the focus of songs or performances (other than Metali! where it's a deliberate artistic choice to give her a solo). I think it's going to be when we hear their next album in full that we'll see how much they use this expanded range of the group and be able to find out exactly what techniques she uses. For me it's one of the most exciting aspects of this version of Babymetal that started in 2023.
I like Elizabeth's take on harsh vocals and the false folds, but on a recent video, Kevin actually said that his harsh vocals are totally unhealthy. He just screams is head off. He confessed he has zero technique.
Ratatata is something like a drum/kick roll roll i think, or otherwise just a fast drum beat. The definition i learned is that it was a beat type of quick drums, and the definition that i can find is "ratatata is a quick succession of drum beats" and i often see it used for other rapid repeating sounds like gunfire from an automatic weapon.
Nice reaction. Please show him more Babymetal. Ok a lot more Babymetal because a few songs just doesn't do it. In the sense of showing how diverse Babymetals music is. The foxhole is deep and full of surprises.
I'm sure someone may have commented this, but there is are 2 live performances from a music festival where both Electric Callboy and Baby Metal perform this song in their sets and the come out for each other's performance. Can't remember which festival it was.
It's really difficult to ignore that constantly repeated K-pop. What? K-pop? Where? Otherwise, love it. But that K-pop thingie was really annoying. Still, love you two, you're definitely enjoyable.
You know they're Japanese, right? Elizabeth definitely knows. And based on what I've heard from OldSkoolNerd, Ratatata is supposedly a European onomonopea of the beat you'd hear at EDM shows.
i think you should check out band thats also from Germany called "Van Canto" they perform acapella versions of metal , from there you'll get what exactly RATATATA means :c)))))))
