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Metal roofing scams, do not fall for it. The screws ALWAYS back out. 

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@chrism4351
@chrism4351 8 месяцев назад
I call bs. Own several buildings with 30 plus year old roofs with no issues. Shingles are garbage. Get sold a 25 year shingle roof and it fails at year 15.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
You need to learn my friend. A 25 year shingle is not life expectancy it is against material defects. I'm 100% positive that your 30 year old roof is failing unless it is standinf seam. Also, no need in being nasty. Good luck bud
@airbornestud3007
@airbornestud3007 6 месяцев назад
As long as you use standing seam/hidden fasteners metal then it will definitely out live shingles.
@pine6163
@pine6163 7 месяцев назад
I’ve pulled metal back that was put directly over shingles ( been on for 20+years) it looked perfect on the bottom and top. You sir are a b.s. salesman !
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
You are a wisenheimer. No need in calling names. Also, a roof that "looks good" means nothing. If you are in florida invite me over to look at it. I can imagine that there has been some upkeep.
@papaburf7275
@papaburf7275 11 месяцев назад
Installed an exposed screw metal roof on my house when I built it in 1989. My neighbor across the street was a metal roofer that owned a local shop here in town. We soldered in a "thimble" for every roof penetration and I have put new screws on the entire roof (one size larger than original) one time after about 20 years. Have never had a leak and it's still going strong today after 34 years. Would loved to have installed a standing seam roof but could not afford it at the time. I've seen so many messed up roofing jobs - asphalt shingles as well as metal. Lets not forget the temp difference that attic insulation is fighting - about 10 - 20 deg less with metal (check out Matt Risingers latest Metal vs Asphalt roofs) and resistance to hail storm damage. It comes down to economics, personal choice and craftsmanship not chosen material and your video demonstrates a severe lack of credibility and open-mindedness. But hey, at least these comments will help your interaction statistics with RU-vid.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 11 месяцев назад
With gentle effect and in the spirit of conversation. I do not wish for confrontation :). I'd love to see pictures of your entire roof, the size included as well as the screws. I feel like I will find screws popping up and I'm curious to know when you, personally, inspected the roof last as well as the state that you reside. There are many variables and quality does matter. I do not 100% diagree with you but I am certain that I would find bad things especially this old. Also, no stains does not mean no leaks. Metal conceals rotten wood from the top view. As in this video nobody knew there were any leaks until it was time to sell. As you stated, and again ill agree, craftsmanship does matter and 99% of the roofers in Florida have none.
@Sith_dude
@Sith_dude 11 месяцев назад
I've had my metal roof for 12 years and not 1 screw has backed out. No leaks also.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 11 месяцев назад
With gentle effect: If this is in central Florida, near Marion county, I would love to come check it out. In most cases there are loose screws. Just because they are not drastic does not mean they are not present. No stains on the cieling doesn't mean no leaks. If I find no evidence of someone doing maintenance before i get there and its all original with no issues then ill admit it. I'm certain that I would find issues. The only exception to this would be a standing seam metal roof.
@Sith_dude
@Sith_dude 11 месяцев назад
@tomtheroofer I am in Eastern Oregon. We get temp variants from 105° down to -30° with wind gusts up to 70 mph. Not hurricane weather but still enough to possibly do damage.
@mustangecoboosthpp3869
@mustangecoboosthpp3869 7 месяцев назад
More and more people in Florida are going with metal roofs because they can hold up far better in a hurricane, shingle roofs not so much. We went with a metal roof and will never again do a shingle roof, we live in southwest Florida. Where I live we had hurricane force winds for several hours as Ian sat off the coast of Lee County battering us. All the exposed fastener roofs around us survived with no damage. Shingle roofs was a different story.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Call us after its been on 10 years and let me look at it. Stains only appear after extremes and long term leaking, especially if it was over shingles.I can imagine it is over shingles. I'm not wishing this on anyone, this is just the nature of the beast. 10 years and there will be many loose screws AND the caulking that holds the penetrations will be dry and allowing water in. Caulking does NOT last a lifetime. I do wish you the best though. This will age well and if you visit this in 10 years it would be nice for an update.
@thor4odin749
@thor4odin749 10 месяцев назад
My metal roof with additions & gables has been on for 17 years....no water leakage. I check for that every year. I also check the screws every few years....takes forever. Not one screw has backed out that is clearly visible....not one. The color has held and it looks great. My parents have the identical roof....20 years, still perfect. My neighbor put his metal roof on in 1992....as of today.....still going strong, no leaks, no screw issues. I helped him check this week. maybe because here in N.W.Pa we use roof tar bottomed 2x4's as pirlins over our shingles, anchored with angled spike nails & use longer screws.....maintenance free.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 10 месяцев назад
Of course I would ask what state are you in? If this is correct then the extrs measures would have been a huge contributing factor. I am still suspicious for a few reasons but stranger things have happened. No stains on plywood does not equate to no leaks and I'm certain, if invited, that I would find evidence of retightened or loose screws. Maybe the roofing tar under the perlins helped secure the longer fasteners, that is awesome and I am truly happy, I don't wish heartache on anyone. Sadly, the facts are that most of these roofs are just slammed on with 1x4 or in most cases straight to the old rotten shingles by the local hacks. In my area you can bring me to any metal roof and 99% of the time I'll show you loose screws. Also, checking your roof, for hours, every couple of years sounds miserable.
@jajajajajajajajaja867
@jajajajajajajajaja867 9 месяцев назад
​@@tomtherooferIs Hunter Biden the smartest guy you know?
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 9 месяцев назад
Jason, not everything has to be political and there is no need for insults. I wish you well though, maybe when you become an adult you will understand how to have a disagreement.
@michaelshrader5139
@michaelshrader5139 6 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer I think Jason was aggravated because you didn't seem to have read his entire comment... he says in his comment that he is in N.W. Pa. Then your comment to him 1st sentence seems to ask "what state are you in?" (perhaps that was meant to be non-rhetorical idk). Jason's roof sounds pretty robust if you ask me, and he seems happy with it.... what more can a person ask for? Hunter Biden or any of the Biden's of course has absolutely no bearing on anything here and should have been left out IMHO. But whatever, some people can't keep their political views separate from anything at all. Just saying.
@jasonblack8661
@jasonblack8661 2 месяца назад
​@@tomtherooferall you have done is bait people so you can keep going with your narrative. I installed sheet metal roofs for years. You are just showing pictures of crap jobs. And you replying to every comment is hysterical because it's predictable.
@flyboynextdoor
@flyboynextdoor 8 месяцев назад
I’ll never put on shingles again
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Just buy a standing seam or decra metal roof and youll be fine.
@danlutjemeier4183
@danlutjemeier4183 9 месяцев назад
Metal moves on extreme temps and can unwind screws. Pre drill the screw holes and the screws stay put if the roof deck is sound and holds a screw well. Metal roofs are the way to go up here along the Canadian border and they can last for decades without problems.
@whatsupdocchemdog5994
@whatsupdocchemdog5994 8 месяцев назад
Exactly, only smart people knows to pre-drill your holes like we did. That way the metal does not effect the screws like people thing.
@rocknral
@rocknral 6 месяцев назад
​@@whatsupdocchemdog5994 Don't screw the deck ( pan). Put a decent gauge screw thru the ridge.
@whatsupdocchemdog5994
@whatsupdocchemdog5994 6 месяцев назад
@@rocknral you can only screw what the permit office allows. They don't want ppl screwing into the ridge of the panels because too many ppl use only 2" screws.if they leave their shingles on the roof and then goes through the ridges there is a good chance those screws won't go through the plywood underneath. We used 2 1/2 inch screws and went through the pan. On the ridge if you roof is 3/12 on less you must a joint the ridges together will butyl tape. We didn't do this, he passed it but I am going to install the butyl tape in January on the 3/12 portion of the porch.
@rocknral
@rocknral 6 месяцев назад
@@whatsupdocchemdog5994 Fair enough if that's your code. In Australia I'm in a cyclone (hurricane) area and our code is appropriate length screw, gauge, and washer assembly through the rib (ridge) as it's the strongest part of the sheet. I've seen screws in the pan (flat) on metal sheets pull through leaving the screws behind. We don't have plywood under roofs. Battens are screwed directly to rafters/ top chords of truss, and metal screwed to battens.
@corey7348
@corey7348 Год назад
i asked my buddy if he minded if i took a look at his metal roof cause i been on the fence after seeing this video and i found not one issue with it other then 1 boot looked like might of needed silicone. im guessing its gonna depend alot on who does the actual job. his roof is 30 years old
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer Год назад
With gentle effect and in the spirit of good conversation: Did you actually check all the screws or just a quick walk around? If you stand right next to the screws there should be no movement. In other words, rather than the screws showing as backed out they probably carried the metal with them. All b.s. aside, I've never seen one without screw issues. If its 30 years old then the screws should be oxidized and the rubber washers would definitely be rotten. I'd be interested to know more and am highly suspicious as to when the screws were replaced and how much it cost. All in friendly fairness brother, sincerely. Also, is it in Florida?
@Gomoboo
@Gomoboo 6 месяцев назад
My Aluminum Shake Roofing was installed over 23 years ago. Screws? No the interlocking panels were affixed using stainless steel nails. Has a special coating that reflects most IR so it's a lot cooler. Only issue was with the crowns - the special coating began to peel in several places. After the installer took some samples to send back to the manufacturer (tested to ensure I hadn't used any unauthorized cleaning products). The manufacturer sent replacement crowns, and my original installer removed the faulty ones with the new ones. Didn't cost me a penny. I live in tropical Hawaii. It's the labor/material costs that kill you. Most shingle roofs here last 15 years or less. I would have had to replace my roof and would be well into the lifespan on my 2nd roof. Good luck on any local businesses or other manufacturers honoring their "warranty".
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Thats not the same roofing that I've referenced and it sounds like you have something similar to Decra. Good choice.
@funone8716
@funone8716 7 месяцев назад
My shop roof was installed 8 years ago. I check the screws every fall before winter. NOT ONE SCREW has 'backed out' or moved yet. This video is a scare-scam against metal roofing.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
No scare or scam. If your roof is in central Florida invite me over to look at your screws and penetrations. Although I can appreciate your passion, especially after you installed a metal roof, I assure you that you will have fastener issues and certainly will have issues with the caulking that seals your flashings. Without more specifics all you can provide is anger. Sorry but this is a real issue here.
@emiliovillarreal2957
@emiliovillarreal2957 10 месяцев назад
I have been installing metal roofs for 20 years I will always take a metal roof over shingles they last double I have even taken metal roofs that are 100 years old you will never find shingles 100 years old
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 10 месяцев назад
100 years ago the metal was heavier guage and they fastened them with lead heads. Yes, metal will last a long time, the fasteners need to be replaced and maintained constantly and that is the issue. If you are not installing standing seam then you will 100% for a factvneed to maintain it. We can install a zero maintenance shingle roof that will last 18-22 years. That same roof, if it was exposed fastener, would have been maintenanced 2 or 3 times in that same lifespan.
@stewatparkpark2933
@stewatparkpark2933 10 месяцев назад
Half the houses in Australia have metal roofs without any issues . The other half are concrete tile roofs .
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 10 месяцев назад
With gentle effect and in the spirit of honest conversation: Are you in the industry, do you install metal roofing or are you just driving around and notice lots of metal roofing? I don't know anything about Australian roofing or the type of panels and installation Australians use. Also, like most metal roof owners in Florida, they probably do have issues and don't know about it. In many cases the screws are loose but appear tight. Also, no stain on a ceiling doesn't mean no leak, it means that the wood and insulation are soaking up the water. If there are exposed fastener roofs then there are loose screws, thats a fact. There is a chance that the temperature does help and maybe it is not as drastic but it is present.
@briank3564
@briank3564 6 месяцев назад
My shingled roof that I had a professional install 4 years ago has several nails pop up pushing the shingles up in several locations. This spring I have to get on the roof myself and fix it. We do have a warranty, but guess what. The roofing company went out of business last year, how convenient!
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
That sucks, gotta hire the right company. If price was the deciding factor then this is what happens. I've been in the same county for 29 years and I lose jobs to underbidders that go out of business all the time. Lots of crap companies put there.
@jonchalk3855
@jonchalk3855 2 месяца назад
My brother, who is a contractor, has built a number of houses over the years. On his latest house (or two), he used metal roofing. Best choice he made. The asphalt shingles started to show their age. The metal ones. Still good. Resists high (much higher in Alberta) winds and large hail. Though, thickness of the metal is important. Using the self-sealing screws is also important. Making sure the proper flashing and boots used on all penetrations are very important. Not installing directly onto the existing shingles is the way to go. Make sure perlings (or 2x4s) are used accordingly. The gap between the shingles and the metal roof allows for airflow, while protecting the roof. Glad I watched this video. It solidified my choice to use metal roofing. There are many good videos on how to install metal roofing. But your best bet if you are not the DIY-ready person is to do your homework. Find local installers, research their work history, try to get feedback from actual clients who used their services, review the BBB, search for any unbiased reports of complaints against contractors and narrow down your list of who you will hire. Or you can purchase the material from a supplier and then hire an installer (again, do your homework). Periodically, check up on their progress. See how they are installing it. It is still good to watch instructional videos on metal roof installation so that you can see if there is anything that does not look correct. Don't be afraid to ask.
@jonty1959
@jonty1959 6 месяцев назад
I live in Australia, and as a previous commentator said at a rough guess half of all Australian homes have a metal roof, and the other half are tiled - I have never seen shingles used. I have never, in any of the homes I've lived in, seen a roofing screw back out, and I've never heard of it happening. In Australia metal roofs are regarded as being maintenance free, and are expected to last the life of the home, bar a catastrophic weather event - even then in areas of Australia subject to cyclones (hurricanes) building codes ensure that metal roofs are fixed strongly enough to withstand hurricane strength winds. Assuming this fellow is serious, why would anyone roof their home in material (shingles) that has to be replaced every 15-20 years? I've lived all over Australia, and don't recall ever seeing a roof replaced - not one. Why would anyone deliberately build a home with a built in 15-20 year redundancy - when metal roofing can and does last over 100 years - with zero maintenance? This is how it's done - once, and once only! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e1fB1JiiifA.html
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
An exposed fastener metal roof will not last more than 8 to 10 years withought need of the screws and caulking to be replaced. If you have 100 year old caulking and screws id love to see them. Assuming you are serious then you have stumbled onto a unicorn and I'd suggest marketing it.
@zweed69
@zweed69 6 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer try fixing on the ribs bro 😂 honest, you will become the superman roofer in america 🤷‍♂ I'm a kiwi and I read this comment from aussie I smile, bc I know he is right but only if he lives inland aussie, anywhere coastal will rust those roofs unless they are ARX (aluminium) which is pricy as. Here in NZ and aussie long run metal roofing is the cheapest type of roofing available, bread and butter. Asphalt shingles are way pricier, funny huh? but we dont access to cheap petroleum like you yanks thats why! also the full sarking needed for shingles pushes the cost of the roof up, thats why those cheap 'standing seam' tray roofs are taking off. All the real euro tray roofs required full sarking in 18mm treated ply at around $150 a sheet
@randylavine3003
@randylavine3003 7 месяцев назад
A screw enters wood and pulls the fiber "up". Wood fiber, being a "natural" product will always try to go back to neutral, thus pulling a screw "down", or tighter. A nail as it penetrates the lumber will "push" the fiber down. As the wood fiber is a "natural" product it will always work toward neutral, thus pushing the nail "up", and exposing the material below the head. The biggest mistake I have seen is the screws being installed too tight, thus squishing out the rubber grommet below the screw head. I have been a building contractor about 40 years and simply prefer a metal roof over any other roofing material. They will last much longer than comp roofs and are much less costly than a good shake roof. Just my educated opinion.
@buyamerican3191
@buyamerican3191 6 месяцев назад
Interesting theory, I have never heard of this but it definitely has merit.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Its a theory and does not matter because in practice it does not hold true. If it was true then I would use the cheap barn metal like everyone else does. Armchair think group
@asquithmainlines699
@asquithmainlines699 Год назад
If I come across any screws starting to back out I remove them, fill the hole with construction adhesive and then hand tighten them back in. Properly installed and some simple maintenance will still make a metal roof outlast two or three shingle jobs.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer Год назад
With gentle effect and in the spirit of conversation: I feel as if your comment helps to drive my point home. If someone is capable of doing that non stop throughout the life of the roof and if it is purchased with the understanding of constant maintenance then I suppose it would be acceptable to the parties involved. Most people don't want to do constant maintenance and if the home has a steep slope then it can be very dangerous. These roofers, atleast in my area, sell these metal roofs as a zero maintenance, lifetime product and then walk away from it.
@rainydays5118
@rainydays5118 11 месяцев назад
​@@tomtherooferstill cheaper and easier than reshingling an entire roof
@Box545x39
@Box545x39 10 месяцев назад
@@rainydays5118 His point was that most customers are never going to get on the roof to inspect or repair loose screws (especially when offered a lifetime roof package). They'll end up paying twice as much for a roof if they have to pay someone to go do that maintenance work on exposed fasteners. Standing seam is the simple choice, or shingles.
@MASTROOFING
@MASTROOFING 9 месяцев назад
Love that you took the time to explain some of the finer details when it comes to metal. Great video!
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 9 месяцев назад
Yes sir. As stated by some, there are a few scenarios and applications that metal CAN, potentially, be considered a viable option. In most cases a GOOD shingle roof will last longer than a crappy metal roof. People want top notch while paying peanuts, thats why we have this screw down panel craze. A real metal roof, standing seam, should cost atleast 2x that of a shingle roof. Yet, these pointy heads think that they can pay shingle prices and recieve a "lifetime" product.
@MASTROOFING
@MASTROOFING 9 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer We always tell people that if they really want a metal roof, that they should only opt for corrugated on unfinished spaces, such as a pole barn or a detached garage/shed, and this is precisely the reason why!
@mikemcelwain
@mikemcelwain 11 месяцев назад
I live up north and the thing I don't like about shingles it seems like they hold on the ice and snow more than metal roof wood during a heavy snowstorm I had a four and a half foot drifts on my roof
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 11 месяцев назад
That is far away and out of my wheelhouse. We are way down south and metal is, usually, just thrown down and screwed in. Lots of dishonest and inexperienced people selling it and then untrained people installing the cheapest and often illegal panels. As the saying goes, there's a sucker born every day.
@carloscarlos7044
@carloscarlos7044 10 месяцев назад
Lots of non metal roof house owners today in Washington state filing insurance claims for their burned down home
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 10 месяцев назад
Yea, fire will destroy a home regardless of the roof covering. Sorry to hear this
@mrbrown6421
@mrbrown6421 Месяц назад
I don't know, but I did have a "hidden screw" metal roof installed about 8 years ago. Yes, they installed over the old shingled roof. Its an 'approved' practice, and I was rather glad since removing the old roof would have made a serious mess around the house. That metal does some serious popping in the Florida summer, so I'm hoping it doesn't rip itself apart. And while the attic is much cooler in the summer, the house is colder in the winter. But we heat with wood, so I don't care. Anyway, I don't know, sir. Good luck with your company. North Alachua County Area.
@bsrob1
@bsrob1 Год назад
I just did a triple wall stove pipe thru my roof. Used a silicone boot around the pipe to seal up the hole. And recently have been fighting a small leak. My boot is completely seal with silicone and I even resealed around the upper vent pipes that were above the chimney boot. Still leaking. I see this video and now am suspicious that the roofing screws are leaking. The friend who helped me install the chimney said that usually you have to replace the screws as the gaskets go bad in them. After your video Im willing to bet that this is my problem. Thank you for the video. Sadly my metal roof is only about 3 years old
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer Год назад
Yep, we have one on our list to repair this week. It's 8 years old and has screws backing out. The company that installed it offered to change out the screws for 6,500.00. Bottom feeder roofing companies, and they get away with it every time.
@bsrob1
@bsrob1 Год назад
@@tomtheroofer I am going to inspect my screws around the area shortly. Unfortunately I don’t have the money to replace the whole roof but I may just try some silicone over the screws until I can afford to fix it. Thank you for your reply
@petejohnson8397
@petejohnson8397 9 месяцев назад
Does the pipe and or boot penetrate through a seam where 2 metal panels overlap either on the verticle or horizontal seam? If yes, then THAT ia your problem. Some ufcgdesx chimney installers did that to me. They did not listen. Must go up through the middle of the panel. If that is your issue let me know and I will walk you through as best I can.
@bsrob1
@bsrob1 9 месяцев назад
@@petejohnson8397 awesome. I will have to double check and get back to you!
@petejohnson8397
@petejohnson8397 9 месяцев назад
@@bsrob1 No problem. Stay in touch.
@ForeverJohnnySoma
@ForeverJohnnySoma 7 месяцев назад
He did say he didn't like Metal Roofs.
@mr.g937
@mr.g937 Год назад
Or buy a real standing seam metal roof instead of crap corrugated metal and crap shingles.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer Год назад
Yes sir, people go from buying the cheapest shingles to buying the cheapest metal and never see the fault in it.
@crescoprotivin
@crescoprotivin 7 месяцев назад
Asphalt roofs replaced every 20 years makes no sense and are the thing of the past. The migrants from Europe came over and built with wood shakes cause it was cheap vs the tile roofs of the past. Then some oil company said lets make asphalt shingles which will only last 20 years and replace them over again. I have built pole barns for 40 years with no call backs with metal roofs. The only failure is when the metal screw fails to anchor into something solid. Iowa
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
People usually dont call about leaks on pole barns and they, obviously, didnt call you back. If you used screws on an exposed fastener roof then you have leaks and loose screws, thats a fact. Whether they called you back or not is irrelevant my friend. Go back and look at your 40 year old roofs and youll see they have been repaired, replaced or are leaking and have loose screws. I appreciate your position and I understand that you have to stick to your guns for obvious reasons. I wish you luck. Atleast you are a working man and that much I respect.
@crescoprotivin
@crescoprotivin 6 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer Good points and thanks for the feedback. My real point is asphalt roofs are a bad idea and there are better ways for roofing.
@KitesurfHatteras
@KitesurfHatteras 9 месяцев назад
Living up in the far north of Wisconsin, where we get many feet of snow each winter, metal makes a lot of sense. No worries of it sticking and piling up to create ice dams. If installed properly they last much longer than a shingle roof. Having said that, either shingle or metal can be great options but as for maintenance, having to check for a loose screw or two every few years certainly beats having to rake or shovel snow off of a roof every winter. Those with a good metal roof up here never seem to have snow on them. The shingled roofs are always piled high, and that causes problems. I have a steep 12 / 12 pitch shingled roof on my residence, and no problem except on porch where the slope is half that. Need to clear the snow in that area only. Just built a garage and it has a 6 / 12 metal roof. Very happy with it. Installed it myself. Have also built houses with asphalt shingles, so could have gone either way. If metal roofs were universally bad, then they'd be becoming obsolete. More and more people using them these days, especially in the north. It seems you can't accept that idea. Too bad.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 9 месяцев назад
Can't accept what idea? This is in the south, completely different worlds. It would aslo depend on the pitch of your roof. As you stated, the lower pitched roof still holds the snow and you have yearly maintenance. Here, in Florida, a good shingle roof can last 18-22 years with zero maintenance. Climbing a 12/12 pitch roof every year sounds dangerous, especially metal.
@KitesurfHatteras
@KitesurfHatteras 9 месяцев назад
The idea that a metal roof can work fine. Just need to install it properly. Of course throwing one up straight over the top of a deteriorating shingle roof doesn't seem like a good idea.
@brucemorrison8357
@brucemorrison8357 7 месяцев назад
My 44-year-old house has a metal roof, and only a handful of screws have even started to back out.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Invite me over for an inspection. Seeing the extreme backed out screws only doesnt mean that the others are not loose. No ceiling stains doesn't mean no leaks and no rotten wood. By the time you notice your stains, especially in a metal roof, the problems are extreme. Or, just maybe, you have good luck. Stranger things have happened. Tell me about the caulking around your penetrations.
@zweed69
@zweed69 6 месяцев назад
*Never fix metal roofing in the pan!!!* always use 65mm 10 gauge screws and FIX ON THE RIBS!! 🤦‍♂
@calvinreichelderfer7989
@calvinreichelderfer7989 6 месяцев назад
External fasteners should only be used on sheds and out buildings if at all but definitely not on houses people live in
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Exactly
@JohnSmith-db2oc
@JohnSmith-db2oc Месяц назад
Mine is going on 30 years with 3 backed out screws. Still looks new. They didnt install the synthetic rubber underlayment in these pics. Shingles are the big scam. The best shingles last 10 years in FL. They will not honor the warranty here either. They claim hurricane damage even when there have been no hurricanes.
@bud5084
@bud5084 7 месяцев назад
Roofing nails will back out on shingle roofs too.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
It is certainly possible if your roof was installed years ago but the coilated nails don't have that as a commin issue. Most backed out nails were from decking nails that did not hit the rafter. In Florida we have to use ring shank nails and that eliminated that issue. A high nail, nowadays, is usually due to the air pressure and rarely a backing out issue. Gotta hire the right guys with proper qc.
@ethanlamoureux5306
@ethanlamoureux5306 9 месяцев назад
LOL... Obviously this guy is an asphalt shingle roofing contractor. He’s going to push asphalt shingles because that’s what he makes his living on. They don’t last as long as metal roofing so he makes more money replacing them every few years. I knew it was a bunch of Baloney when he said that lead head nails are better. I’ve seen how those work! They always leak, because they’re not springy; but neoprene washers on screws will last a long time so long as the wood they’re screwed into is strong and they’re not over- or under-torqued. Neoprene doesn’t rot like rubber, which is why rubber isn’t used. Also, if metal roofing were so bad, people would stop using it; yet it’s becoming more popular all the time. Standing seam metal would be great, if it weren’t so overpriced. So the best thing we have is exposed fastener metal.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 9 месяцев назад
You can't just cherry pick a section of the video brother. Bring me to an exposed fastener roof that is 10 years old and has not been touched and I'll show you lose and missing fasteners. What about the vents and caulking? What about the other people that have these same issues that I mentioned in these comments, are they all liars as well? Thats why the metal companies DO NOT warranty the screws, because it is an obvious flaw. Your opinion is appreciated though, no hard feelings.
@denverscott37
@denverscott37 7 месяцев назад
That old barn metal, corrugated stuff you get from home depot isn't worth a damn, unless you're ok with getting like 10-12 years out of it. At least get the prefabbed roofing panels with the hidden clips, they attach to the panels but they allow for expansion and contraction. You can also make your own standing seam panels outta galvanized sheet metal, you can do a flat lock/fold lock as well, same fastening system, I make my own clips also, if there happens to be a pipe coming thru the roof, I also make my own pipe boot outta the same galvanized sheet metal, and I solder it in place, not caulk it. Yeah this corrugated stuff, you're definitely getting what you paid for and before that 10-12 years is even up, you'll have a repair guy up there, fixing them popped screws and caulking them when that little rubber washer wears out, which it'll definitely do. There are certainly some metal roofing systems that you can have installed once and you'll never really have to worry about it again in your lifetime. It just costs a lot more than this corrugated stuff, it also looks 100 times better as well, pre painted, comes in a variety of colors.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
If they were all done like that then I'd have notbing to complain about. My wife says I am only happy if I have sometbing to complain about...lol
@Hardworkandrealestateprofits
@Hardworkandrealestateprofits 2 месяца назад
Question why didn’t you say in the video that a standing seam metal roof doesn’t have these problems? Wouldn’t it be good to point people to a better option?
@ss_whole
@ss_whole 7 месяцев назад
Go up and tighten the screws every few years, problem solved
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Maybe. But after a while that hole will not hold the screw tight. Yes, you can get a bigger screw but many times the wood will not hold even the larger shank. The caulking on the penetrations is a terrible way as well.
@airbornestud3007
@airbornestud3007 6 месяцев назад
I live in southern georgia & I've never had an issue with my metal roof & its been on there since 1997. Obviously exposed fasterners will almost always back out at some point so thats why most people around here use standing seam metal roofs. No screws or nails are exposed at all. Now I've got a pole barn that has exposed screw heads but ive only had to climb up there to fix it twice in 20 years but thats expected with any kind of exposed fastener. Id take the screw on out & put roof caulk in the hole & then screw it back down. After that, no problems. Now the metal i put on that pole barn would'nt be a choice of mine for a house at all but for a barn or lean to or something like that, its alright to use. But i put standing seam metal on my house & i have never had an issue at all. Ive built a many a house that was roofed with standing seam metal & other types that was hidden fasteners & no problems.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Ecactly. My issue is with the cheap garbage that was talked about and shown on the video. Literally 95% of the roofs in Florida are like those. The hacks just sling em on.
@jacec5855
@jacec5855 Год назад
There are so many different rates for roofs right now how would anyone know what 30% more than a shingles is? I mean this is obviously an advertisement for shingles because that's likely what your guys are good and us as buisness owners are always taught to stick with one thing and master it. That's a good tactic but don't spread false opinions about exposed fastner roofs that can be done correctly and with proper care and maintenance can outlast shingles. Shingles are a great option for roofs no doubt but so is exposed fastner metal panels. Roofers should be offering contingency plans where those fastners get checked and replaced.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer Год назад
No false information at all. I have been roofing for 29 years. Prices for shingle roofs are always very similar. A legitimate company will be between 405-430 a square for a normal, 4/12 to 6/12 pitch roof. A crap metal roof (throwing metal down and screwing it in) will be 500 a square. Bring me to your metal roof and I will show you loose screws. You, my friend, just don't know the math and, obviously, havent been in the business and/or been taken for a ride on the metal scam coaster. Thanks for the input sir.
@jacec5855
@jacec5855 11 месяцев назад
We live in 2 different parts of the country and These people are tired and mostly just not able to continuously replace 110 mph wind rated shingles that end up on the ground every other week. I never said there’s not a loose screw on a metal roof. I do know the math as it fits my market and have been around Const for a min now. You don’t make up the value of a product, the market and the consumer does. Value is what the consumer is willing to pay. I’ve never sold anyone a scam.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 11 месяцев назад
@@jacec5855 110 mph shingle is a scam as well. A properly installed shingle roof will outlast the screws on an exposed fastener metal roof. As you stated, 2 different parts of the country and ive been in it a few minutes. If you are happy with the metal roofs that you've installed after you have checked on them 15 years later then all I can say is kudos brother. On the other hand I can walk on almost any metal roof and find issues with the fasteners in as little as 5 years.
@peterputnam3804
@peterputnam3804 6 месяцев назад
I have installed both types of metal roofing had good luck with both types. If you want standing seam ask the standing seam roofers for a cut n drop and install it yourself. Some metal roofers will do this,but most probably won't.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Around here, in Central Florida, over 90% of the metal roofs are done like this. It's terrible man.
@dinglenutzog
@dinglenutzog 7 месяцев назад
In my opinion, properly driven screws will not cause any problems.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
It's a free country and I think thats a fair comment. Althougb I disagree I do have a counter point. Lets just say, for arguments sake, that the screws are perfect and do not back out. ALL penetrations are caulked and that is the only way to leak proof the flashings on these roofs. I appreciate your friendly comment and look forward to any friemdly rebuttals or more fair conversations. :)
@jerryweigl4730
@jerryweigl4730 6 месяцев назад
I have lots of experience with metal roofs. The screws will NOT back out if they are screwed into 2 x 4s or 2 x 6s or 3/4 inch fir plywood. Screwing into thin OSB is especially asking for trouble, and I don't think thicker OSB is much better.
@theroofguru807
@theroofguru807 10 месяцев назад
Interlocking metal shingles and standing seam is the only 50 year metal roof. Ribbed panels are junk
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 10 месяцев назад
Exactly. I still don't like those for other reasons but if someone is stuck on metal then that is the way to go.
@williammartin2593
@williammartin2593 7 месяцев назад
There Is only one proper screw to my knowledge. ZAC screws have a 5/16 diameter cap , a metal washer, and a rubber gasket. The cap completely covers the rubber, so it is protected. Also, it's not the rubber that presses down the metal but the cap. The metal washer keeps the rubber from spinning and twisting. Seriously good design. Also
@williammartin2593
@williammartin2593 7 месяцев назад
As a carpenter I had to learn from the manufacturer the best way to screw metal on.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
If you must have exposed fasteners then zaks are it. This doesn't help with caulking as the main protector on ALL penetrations but is is a start.
@bud5084
@bud5084 Месяц назад
Don't think you can put metal over shingles in a lot of places. You have to remove the shingles and check the cheating underneath to have it permitted. Metal is the way to go if you don't have trees around your house.
@johnossendorf9979
@johnossendorf9979 6 месяцев назад
For quality and longevity you can't beat a standing seam roof.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
I agree.
@BillyGold007
@BillyGold007 2 месяца назад
My house has a 60 year old asbestos roof. It is almost as good as new. Never leaked once.
@grumpynomad3551
@grumpynomad3551 6 месяцев назад
I’ve done a hundred metal roofs without call backs. You sir should try out metal roofs and you will find they are much better than shingles. My own roof has been great for 12 years no issues.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Ive done many thousands, good luck
@user-gb8fl4hk9x
@user-gb8fl4hk9x 9 месяцев назад
I guess you can say anything you get what you pay for, that is a problem mental roof if the the screws are expose to the weather. But are asphalt shingles the answer? How long will they last? They’re cheaper make than they once were. And how about the insurance where in places like Florida there’s a ten year time on asphalt shingle roof. I have has asphalt shingle roof last three years before getting crooks to put on a roof. And there is different levels of shingles and the people putting them on. There’s crooks putting asphalt shingles roofs on, I’m experienced that. But putting metal roofs you need the screws to hidden and covered up.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 8 месяцев назад
I agree with everything you said. Lots of dirt bags out there in the industry and its only getting worse.
@wherearewegoing3657
@wherearewegoing3657 7 месяцев назад
You have to wonder why so many top end houses are going with metal.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Misery loves company and a sucker is born every day. If it is an exposed fastener metal roof it will have backed out screws. That is why 100% of the warranties DO NOT cover backing out screws.
@captainhowdy3104
@captainhowdy3104 7 месяцев назад
i think these guys just say- color matches, shes good. when installed properly screws will do thier job. i see crews all the time w the stupid dewalt impact just cranking away and over spinning every single fastener. they have adjustments for a reason
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
I can dig that my friend. Nothing is perfect but these local hacks don't put on a good metal roof. My only issue is with exposed fastener roofs, particularly with a dpuble layer and and cheaper than a good shingle tear off.
@michaelhowell2541
@michaelhowell2541 2 месяца назад
Properly torqued screws will NOT back out.
@robertbutler8004
@robertbutler8004 7 месяцев назад
Bullshit if the metal sheeting is installed correctly (not over shingles) the screws never back out.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Not true but I appreciate your passion. Atleast we agree that it should be torn off. These guys here do not even do that.
@sergioortega7640
@sergioortega7640 6 месяцев назад
If they are so wonderful why does insurance in Florida want a new shingle roof every 10 Plus years but metal roof are accepted well into the 20 plus years ?
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
That's false and spread by people that don't know what they are talking about. They may ask for an inspection but new rules state that they can not deny coverage based on age only. Also, and ive personally seen this, the realtor and their inspector will ignore the backed out screws and worn out caulking that is on almost every barn style roof. They use the same lies stated here by you. Have a good day.
@gregben
@gregben 7 месяцев назад
You can think of a metal roof as a machine. It has lots of moving parts. The longer the distance from peak/ridge to eaves, and the wider the temperature swings the roof is exposed to, the more it moves. Using exposed fasteners (screws with sealing washers) works well in climates that aren't subjected to temperature extremes, and for short panels of 15 feet or less. Beyond that it is better to install a standing seam metal roof with clips that are designed to allow the roof panels to expand and contract. Unfortunately the cost of a standing seam metal roof is much more than an exposed fastener metal roof because there's a lot of labor needed for eave, rake, ridge, and other details.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
A good, enclosed fastener metal roof is awesome. I agree with you on most of this. The pointy heads think they are getting a real metal roof when these hacks throw down this barn metal. It takes 8-12 years before the buyers remorse sets in. No roof is without issues but a good shingle roof will last 18-22 years with zero maintenance. After the last batch of hurricanes came through almost no damage was do e to shingle roofs in my area. The newer architectural shingles, even the cheaper brands, do very well.
@zweed69
@zweed69 6 месяцев назад
You are correct about the thermal expansion its something like 1mm per meter. But fixing on the ribs and not in the pan like 99% of americans do is correct trade practice. In new zealand (we get 25 deg cel shifts within 24hr windows easy pie) and high rainfall, long run metal manufacturers *will not* warranty their roofing products if they are pan/trough fixed, period. 🤷‍♂ I have this convo daily with yanks, they think they know better but yet dont listen to people who install these roofs bread and butter in the countries that design the stuff. Its like 'standing seam' 😂 go to Europe and have a look at actual standing seam/angle seam/capped seam roofs you will see the stuff in USA is a rip off of the real deal. We got all this swaged tray roofing here in nz now too, but I fixed euro tray for years. Research: Diamond Roofing NZ they own the euro tray patent here...
@gregben
@gregben 6 месяцев назад
@@zweed69 I agree that Australia and New Zealand are far ahead of the US with regard to metal roofing practice. In the Philippines, more than 95% of the roofs are metal, and while the expansion and contraction there is much less pronounced than in areas further from the equator, they too are ahead of the US, despite being a developing country.
@michaelshrader5139
@michaelshrader5139 6 месяцев назад
So Tom you prefer your shingle roofs, and that's great! A lot of people prefer their metal roofs.... if installed correctly and maintained, they're probably just as great! To each their own. There are installers of BOTH kinds of roofs that do shitty work though. Better for you to discuss all the advantages you feel your shingle roofs have rather than solely criticizing the metal roofs you dislike. Anybody can install a roof poorly! Personal preference is like, personal. I am curious though, what is your opinion of standing-seam metal roofs... do the hidden fasteners have issues with their screws backing out too or not so much? I do personally love the look of a standing-seam metal roof over every other roof I have ever seen metal or shingle.... but I know they cost even more than the metal roofs do.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Standing seam or any concealed fastener roofs are alright in my book. Its the ckeap garbage, as shown, that I dislike.
@totalpkg6912
@totalpkg6912 6 месяцев назад
There is metal roof no exposed fastener.thats the only one I would use
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Yes, exactly.
@crazy9932
@crazy9932 6 месяцев назад
My studio brother does metal roofs for a living. Like everything in life it depends on how well its done. Yes you can get it right over old roof, not a great idea, but contractors n small businesses will not care because you paying the bills, your the boss. Thier thought is its cheaper, yeah in the short run, but long run, you need to do it right. . I might sound like a nag but this is why we need better regulations that are enforced actually. Too many ppl can claim they are certified n get photoshop n make a fake paperwork.. jmho
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 5 месяцев назад
Same with their identification...it is disgusting
@mikegresham9424
@mikegresham9424 9 месяцев назад
Yup 1×4 split and warp over time and those screws come up...not worth the money stick to shingles
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Exactly. The few people that haven't noticed their issues yet think they got a good deal and call me a scammer, as if I get money for sharing a real issue. Misery loves company and passions run deep.
@metaldetectingwiththesilva8311
@metaldetectingwiththesilva8311 11 месяцев назад
I don't live in your area, but thanks for the advise. I will Defo stay away from metal!
@NicholasWHaley7
@NicholasWHaley7 7 месяцев назад
Don’t watch one two minute video of a guy that is selling shingle roofs and take it as truth. Metal roofs last 50 years and if installed properly will be maintenance free. This guy is a joke.
@metaldetectingwiththesilva8311
@metaldetectingwiththesilva8311 7 месяцев назад
@@NicholasWHaley7 Thanks for the advise, I appreciate it Nicholas.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
You are wrong. And No exposed fastener metal.roof will last 50 years withought major upkeep. As far as being a joke you are uneducated and calling names is for children. You, however, do not know what you are talking about. If you are in Central Floruda invite me to a roof you did 50 years ago. A standing seam or decra metal roof can last a long time but this video is about exposed fastener roofs. Ntm your 50 year old, fictional, roof would have had issues around the caulked up flashings. IF it was installed like the ones in my video and thatvis how 90% of the metal roofs in my area of relevance are installed.
@jerrytalley802
@jerrytalley802 7 месяцев назад
Correction; Grandpas roof was standing seam tin, no screws exposed. Just paint them every so often, you are golden. Sorry dude, I’m sure you’re a roofer, but I’m 63, helped my Dad build buildings with tin roofs, and my Dad used lead headed nails. 1st, some of the heads popped off, 2nd, the nails still worked themselves out. If you think a screw can works its way out, but you don’t think a nail will, sorry, you are wrong. I’m not being mean, just factual. I’m not disagreeing that there’s drawbacks to them all, but please don’t give out wrong advice
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
You cherry picked and didn't pay attention to the entire video my friend. I even metioned grandpas roof had lead heads and that is what made it last longer. You started off by saying it was standing seam as well and, if you watched to learn, not react then you would have agreed with me because I only focused on exposed fastener roofs. Also, today we use ring shank nails and they do not pull out yet the screws do. This is a well known problem and NO roofers will give a warranty on screws pulling out, period. These are facts in my area on the country.
@sugardippedtitz
@sugardippedtitz 3 месяца назад
100% install issues, metal roofing is best choice for roofing.
@robertschmidt8307
@robertschmidt8307 8 месяцев назад
Most shingle re-roofs are installed over existing shingles also...not just these guys.
@bud5084
@bud5084 7 месяцев назад
Not anymore in North Florida.
@bud5084
@bud5084 7 месяцев назад
They require stripping the roof, replacing any rot with full sheets, have an inspection, then put new roof on
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Not true, most shingle roofs, in my area, are torn off to the wood. We have some very strict codes that include renailing the decking. Your comme t lets me know that you are not in Florida and that is very relivant in this case. Many other states have roof overs but that changed in florida years ago. A shingle over will only last 10-12 years here before serious problems.
@nesq4104
@nesq4104 8 месяцев назад
So you are just hating metal roofs to sell shingles?
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
We will see a real metal roof, just not these exposed fastener roofs with barn metal. The video is about a specific metal and installation.
@chevyvega6622
@chevyvega6622 7 месяцев назад
ive got a shop that was covered with a metal roof. What a nightmare, so much stuff was not done and had water leaks and tree leaves coming inside. After fixing all the issues, I can not understand why anyone would have that junk on top a home or shop. Just a basic cheap 3 tab comp roof will outlast that metal garbage and cost less....pole buildings are always built with them metal roofs and look at all the rotting rafters from multiple leaks....
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Yes sir, I agree. Look at some of these conflicting stories. Lots of rudeness and animosity. Most metal roofs are garbage.
@buyamerican3191
@buyamerican3191 6 месяцев назад
I believe you opted for 'cheap" and that's what you got. I have a barn that was built in 1964 and it has the original metal roof with no leaks.
@toddodom1829
@toddodom1829 6 месяцев назад
Nails back out to
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Only if they miss the truss and are not ring shank.
@rocknral
@rocknral 6 месяцев назад
What. A load of. Garbage. Been installing metal roofs here in Australia and never ever seen this problem. My own metal roof is now 35 years young and is as waterproof as the day it was installed. Year before last, we had 2ft ( yes 24 inches ! ) of rain in 12 hrs and had ZERO leaks. Installed with zero silicone or caulk. Scare mongering at its best right here.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
You are incorrect, no scare mongering. Look at all the comments, plenty of people with this issue. The amount of rain is irrelevant. I don't know about australia but in the south east us this is a real issue. Maybe its the climate my man. No scare mongering my dude. Lol at 35 year old caulking that has never been replaced. Talk about bologna...
@rocknral
@rocknral 6 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer If you are relying on caulk under sheet laps to keep your roof watertight, then maybe you are in the wrong game my friend. But what can I tell you, my roof is 35 years old and the only maintenance is I repainted it 2 years ago. Believe it or not. Btw, look at the comments.... A lot are also refuting your claims as well. Just because you don't know how to install a decent metal roof doesn't mean the product sucks. Maybe the problem is something else?
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
I appreciate that you think you are correct. Obviously you cherry pick and use things out of context. Compression is key. Good luck in your future ventures.
@howardsinclair5310
@howardsinclair5310 8 месяцев назад
Grandpa knew to put the screw in the peak, not in the flat. If screwed this way, the roof will not leak, even when the screws get loose. Never put the screw where the water runs. So many EXPERTS are to young to know this. Old timers knew how to make an 80 year roof. Now, you know too.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Absolutely, in my first few years, back in the 1990s, this is how it was done. It took some finesse though, couldn't just go ham with heavy torque drills.
@whatsupdocchemdog5994
@whatsupdocchemdog5994 8 месяцев назад
lol this is nothing but a sales pitch. I'm a home owner here in Florida and have 10 year old HIGH SPEED/WIND shingles. Guess what? Hurricane Ian basically blew all the sand grits off the shingles but my dad who has had a metal roof since 2004, that has been every hurricane in Florida that has passed through here such as Charley and Ian has zero issues. Now I am current.y installing metal roof. Btw be honest most of the photos u showed were not screws from a house but metal buildings that shift that do have problems with screws backing out due to the swaying of the metal buildings.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 8 месяцев назад
You are incorrect and these are all on homes. Invite me over after 7 or 8 years and ill show you your screws pulling out along with your caulked up penetrations failing.
@whatsupdocchemdog5994
@whatsupdocchemdog5994 8 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer shingles do not last 20 years, mine are only 10 and they are high speed and Hurricane Ian took off the sand off the shingles. I already have 2 layers of Shingles so living down here in Florida is NOT FEASIBLE to have shingles. Last, manufacturers are in fact using the cheapest products they can in order to be able to even sale shingles. It's like asphalt on the roads, the state contracts the cheapest bidder and they end up laying down cheap asphalt that does not last. I live on a main road here in Florida and I can tell you they redid that road about 7-8 years ago and they are filling in pot holes. Shingles is the same way. The only way screws can back out is with swaying or a vibration. I can see metal building doing this as they sway with winds but not block or wooden home. My dad's screws are fine, he got up there about 6 years ago and all were still tight and set in place and been like that since 2004!! Last, if I need to replace shingles then you have to replace it in sections where metal roofs you just replace the panels. Even if you are correct and the screws do backout guess what? Its cheaper to just buy new screws and replace the old ones than buying new shingles and new panels so your point in metal roofs are not good. I am NOT downing shingles but here in Florida they are truly worthless because of hurricanes. This is why I keep saying Florida Law should mandate all new homes to have metal roofs. It would make our insurance cheaper. Maybe up north or the midwest Shingles are good but not here in Florida. I am a huge antiShingle person living here in Florida all my life. I know what happens with shingles.
@corey7348
@corey7348 8 месяцев назад
@@whatsupdocchemdog5994 no one will sell me on shingles they are junk have to buy a roof 6 times in your life using shingles lol. in a days time you can resolve any and all issues with a metal roof without paying 6000 plus for all new one lol. and even if ya did need all new a metal roof is a 1/8th the price if ya got amish anywhere near by like me, paid 1100 for everything to do 14x75 roof.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 7 месяцев назад
@@whatsupdocchemdog5994 well, a double layer is only going to last 10 years brother. Thats the main issue here. Sounds like the lowest bidder got the job 10 years ago too. That tells me that the first layer was cheap 3 tabs meant to last 13 years and the second layer, regardless of brand and style, was doomed from the beginning. Maybe you were fooled but thats how it shook out. As someone that has nearly 3 decades in roofing I've seen the cheapest route outcome a million times and this is always the result. Caulking is not a reasonable penetration flashing either. To each their own brother.
@whatsupdocchemdog5994
@whatsupdocchemdog5994 7 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer the house was built in 1993 and they installed the second layer in approximately 2012 but they installed high seed shingles. I bought three house last year, its a cedar wood house. Hurricanes damages all shingles on shingle roofs because of the high winds. Many times the winds what causes shingles to flap up and down up and down and then break off the shingle. If they don’t break off, then the next hurricane will eventually break them off shingles and hurricanes don’t mix well at all. Like I said, I don’t have nothing against shingles, I prefer metal roofs because of the hurricanes
@Saturn-Matrix
@Saturn-Matrix 5 дней назад
The Op got destroyed
@user-yp4ou7xp7b
@user-yp4ou7xp7b 8 месяцев назад
Your doing the same as the "so called scamers" are doing lol.. you leave out the shingles are bad for thre eviroment...oil that has to be used to wasted then landfill. Metal roofing is a recycable. There are bad roofers that shingle as well...lots of them. One just simply needs to make sure he gets a reputable metal roofer. Learn first to know how a roofer does things, then you can make best choice.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 8 месяцев назад
Odd way to react. This video had zero to do with recycling and everything to do with screws backing out and terrible penetrations. I'd like to know how I scammed you or anyone. If you would like someones discarded metal to install on your home I'll get you some. Lots of metal in the dumps not only from roofing but also automobiles, appliances etc. Although shingles may take a while to biodegrade it takes metal the same time. ... In a perfect world we would have neither of these but we live on planet earth, atleast most of us do. A good shingle roof will last 20 years with zero maintenance. An average metal roof will need maintenance within the first 5 to 10 years and then every 2 to 5 years after that to reseal all the boots tighten the screws. A standing seam roof may last 20 to 40 years but the boots will need to be sealed because they are rubber with caulking.
@domading2759
@domading2759 6 месяцев назад
Shingles are a temporary roof..
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 5 месяцев назад
As all things in roofing and life are, however, a good shingle roof requires zero maintenance and can last for 18-22 years. A good metal roof, standing seam or decra will last for twice as long. This issue is thay everyone uses this cheap barn metal with exposed fasteners.
@Twinleo1
@Twinleo1 10 месяцев назад
I wish we would have understood this 8 years ago when we built our shop. We have tons of screws backing out and we even upgraded to plywood:( My husband has replaced several with longer bigger screws and it doesn’t matter. I just don’t want to have to worry about it. Here we are now trying to figure out what to do now. Either shingles or standing seem metal. Shingles are less but the labor is more.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 10 месяцев назад
It sounds like the barn was built with slats and there is no plywood. If thats the case then you're only realistic option is standing seem. If you have a solid substrate (plywood) then shingles are the smartest choice. Here is my professional opinion: Standing seem, with no issues, will last an extremely long time but 1. The color fades so stick with galvanized color(silver/gray) 2. If there ever is an issue you will be at the mercy of the few roofers that do standing seem. You can't just patch a panel or replace a panel for a couple dollars, you'll be hammered flat monetarily speaking. The entire panel will have to be uncrimped and it will stick out like a new tooth in a smokers mouth. Shingles, a good shingle job, is definitely the way to go. Use O.C. Duration with all O.C. products including vent sure and have it installed by real roofers (unless your in a state without regulations (Georgia for example) then just make sure that they are somewhat decent. Our roofs are built to last 18-22 years with zero maintenance. Id rather have a 20 year no worry roof than any other option, just gotta rip that bandaid off. :)
@Twinleo1
@Twinleo1 10 месяцев назад
@@tomtheroofer thanks for the reply! We actually upgraded to plywood on our shop. I edited my first comment to add that in. The screws are still backing out. My husband replaced several with longer bigger ones, but it isn’t making a difference. We just built our house 2 years ago on the same property and had the OC Trudefinition Duration shingles installed in Sand Dune color which looks sooooo good! I told him if we do shingles, we’ll get the same color and it will look awesome. We would do the roofing ourselves. Prices are just too high anymore to ever hire anybody. It sucks. We reshingled our old house. It’s a lot of work but we do know how to do it. The shop roof would be so easy, other than the height 😂. We were just really drawn to the ease of labor and weight with the metal.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 10 месяцев назад
@@Twinleo1 Ahh, yes mam, and you'll be safe with those Duration. Bite the bullet sister and be done with it!
@ScottiLewis
@ScottiLewis 7 месяцев назад
Make everything with a reciver, and you have no exposed fasteners. The metal roof on a new school doesnt look like the ones shown here. There are right and wrong ways to to everything. Not a fair judgment of metal roofing systems
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
THIS IS ABOUT EXPOSED FASTENERS. If the shoe doesn't fit....come on man. You stated yourself that there are no exposed fasteners and then proceed with the rest of this. Sounds great for you and I'm happy for you.
@NicholasWHaley7
@NicholasWHaley7 7 месяцев назад
Show poorly installed metal roofs and then claim they are all crap.. what a joke.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Only exposed fastener metal roofs. There are other options brother. These are crap and belong on barns.
@chordiepa.9268
@chordiepa.9268 2 месяца назад
Sorry. Don't believe you. The screws don't "always" back out. I put a metal roof on my cabin in Central Pa. 22 years ago. At that time the materials cost me $1100. That was the sheets, flashing and ridge cap. 4 of us did the labor. There are not any screws backing out. I know this because I was on the roof a couple weeks ago when I put a large, covered deck on the end of it. I removed the 22 year old flashing so I could have the deck roof continue from the cabin. The screws were still sealed and there was not a water mark to be found. I inspected the rest of the cabin for any sign of the rubber on the screws deteriorating and did not find a single loose screw. Yes. There was signs of cracking in the rubber. I'll replace all the screws soon. That can be done for a $70 bag of screws and a few hours of my time. The original metal is attached to 1/2" plywood with tar paper between the two materials. I also did my main house with metal in 2004. It was sold in 2009 so I can't attest to it's condition now. But I expect I would find the same results. Personally, I decided 20 years ago that I would never use shingles again for any roof.
@davidhall5520
@davidhall5520 11 месяцев назад
Goofy
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 11 месяцев назад
Donald
@user-gb8fl4hk9x
@user-gb8fl4hk9x 9 месяцев назад
There’s a product out there that is a metal shingle roof. The three inch in screws are lock in under the steel shingle and each shingle is lock into the other shingles. No screw is exposed, and the shingles will withstand a 160 wind according to the manufacturer. The shingles look like a slate. But the price is about three times the asphalt but I heard it will last a hundred years. I SEEM ONLY ONE BUT ITS THE BEST ROOF WITHOUT THE WEIGHT OF SLATE.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 9 месяцев назад
The few that ive seen looked terrible from the lap angle. I wonder how easy or hard a repair would be. They are interesting though.
@SuperMassman
@SuperMassman 7 месяцев назад
☝️🤡,, don't know sh#t about roofs, but I don't think 🤔 a vauge description saying "ALL" metal roofs are bad is legit. .. you need to supply verifiable data with links of metal roof failures across the country, pictures etc and have independent degreed engineers explaining what failed and why. ALSO, what is the correct way to install a metal roof? How do you choose a metal roof, material, thickness, attachment method etc
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
It wasn't a salespitch. The metal shown is exactly what im talking about. Any exposed fastener metal roof is garbage. Other than that some are ok. The facts are that over 90% of installed metal is this type.
@SteveThompson-li2fc
@SteveThompson-li2fc Год назад
R-Panel metal roofs were never meant for residential use anyway. I always explain to customers wanting an exposed fastener metal roof that they are, effectively, buying a bag of screws for $$$. If I can’t convince to go with a standing seam, the. OC Duration is my next recommendation.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer Год назад
Exactamundo, lots of shady roofing companies combined with pointy headed consumers makes our industry look bad. Replacing some screws next week on an 8 year old roof. Im doing it because the original contractor, still in business, wants 7k to replace the screws on his 8 year old roof. Upside-down world man.
@madmanmapper
@madmanmapper 8 месяцев назад
Honestly never liked metal roofs. They seem to me like a hillbilly's shortcut to roofing. Plus I don't like the style. They're also very uncommon where I am.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 8 месяцев назад
That is correct. Most roofers use the cheapest metal installed in terrible fashion. No matter what style of metal they all have caulking holding the boots together.
@getales
@getales 7 месяцев назад
The only truth in this viedo is He Hates Metal Roofs.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
Everything you said was a lie. Good luck though.
@davidohara7669
@davidohara7669 7 месяцев назад
Hey, why not show some bad shingle roofs? Who are you shilling for?
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
I can if you really want me to. Those are usually because of installer error. Exposed fastener roofs are because of material. I aslo didnt show 1997 didge trucks with transmission issues or Chinese drywall problems. This was a specific video with a specific purpose.
@buyamerican3191
@buyamerican3191 6 месяцев назад
You are certainly biased against metal roofing and that's OK, if you don't like it you don't like it. The problem is that you are basing you bias on inaccurate information. As I'm sure you can agree that any building product as designed works well but is only as good as it's installer and if any product fails because of incorrect installation it's clearly not the fault of the product itself. It can be said that asphalt shingles are no good because they wear out but what about the incorrect installations (and we all know that this is a real problem) that lead to a premature failure? This can happen with metal too. I would hope that you become more educated on the subject and keep a more open mind before you share your opinions.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 6 месяцев назад
I can appreciate the fact that you think you know what you are talking about. I wish you luck.
@domading2759
@domading2759 6 месяцев назад
You clearly have no clue about your business... I install metal roofs everyday.. You sir are wrong
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer 5 месяцев назад
If you are installing exposed fastener roofs then you are selling and installing a roof made to fail that will need heavy maintenance and that maintenance will have diminishing returns. You, clearly, install barn metal on peoples homes and don't warranty the screws.
@domading2759
@domading2759 4 месяца назад
We warranty every bit of our roofs right down to finish issues.. I am not a metal roof salesman as I do shingles as well so I don't care what the customer wants.. They get a price for shingles and metal then they decide.. 27 years of metal roofs and the only roof that I've got back on was a 15 year old installation issue that was easily fixed.. I've gone back on dozens of shingle roofs for everything from tree branches to storm damage and moss growth.. Shingles are junk and if you can't see that then you should not be roofing@@tomtheroofer
@brianhope5853
@brianhope5853 Год назад
Rubber washers dry-rot and crack/break as well. Standing seam is the only metal roof type that can be trusted. I shingled my home last year because the local contractors wanted 30% more to install standing seam vs. standard rubber washer metal roofing. I used OC Duration shingles with full coverage ice and water barrier on my 3/12 pitch roof. Saved $6000.00 and due to the location, the roof should last 25-30 years. The original, cheapest shingles on the market, roof lasted 26 years.
@tomtheroofer
@tomtheroofer Год назад
Exactly sir
@buyamerican3191
@buyamerican3191 6 месяцев назад
Full coverage ice/water is required on a low slope such as yours. Shingles are not the quality they were 25 years ago, I would be willing to bet that your new shingles will not last as long as your old ones especially on a 3/12.
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