Metal vs Wood - these Snares Sound the Same | Season Six, Episode 41

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Shell material doesn't matter...nearly as much as you might think it does.
Drum shell material may be the variable that’s given the greatest attention when it comes to differentiating between drums. Generally speaking, most snares drums fit into one of two categories; metal or wood. But what if metal and wood drums sound the same and it’s really just a trick our eyes are playing on us?
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@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

Once again, extra special thanks to Brandon Graves for sponsoring today's episode. Find out more about his book here: sladl.ink/BrandonGraves

@geoffcowan2384 6 месяцев назад

What a timely video for me. I 3D printed a snare drum a couple of weeks ago. Sounded ok at first, but I tinkered with the tuning here and there. Now that I have been playing it a few weeks, it sounds almost exactly like my mid '60s Jazzfest. Different shell material, different bearing edges, different heads, different wires, even different lug count. Slowly I naturally (and unintentionally) made it sound like most of my other snares. Here is a thing I have noticed over the years with myself and my friends. No matter which equipment we procure, it always sounds like us. All my snares end up sounding a lot alike, no matter how they sounded in the shop when I bought them. My friends have gone through wildly different guitars, pedals, amps and even though they sounded different at first, my friends and I end up adjusting our gear to fit the sound in our heads, which may or may not be where the equipment sounds best. So $12 worth of plastic sounds like hundreds of dollars worth of wood or metal in my hands. :)

@eucabusas 6 месяцев назад

got a link? I'm curious how it sounds!!

@kevindohn6776 6 месяцев назад

what does that mean, you 3D printed a drum ?

@morganblack1773 6 месяцев назад

It means they printed a drum shell out of plastic with a 3D printer for $12 worth of filament. I would have to assume the hardware was not printed, but I want to see a video of it. Sounds very interesting.

@geoffcowan2384 6 месяцев назад

@@morganblack1773 correct, I printed the shell. The hardware was what I had lying around that fit. I’ve seen printed lugs, but I didn’t try that. It sounds decent. I took it to band practice Friday night. The guys thought it had a good crack. I normally use a Supraphonic with that band. Stood up to hard playing and rimshots. I’m pleased with it.

@MicahPounders 6 месяцев назад

I’ve been saying this for years!!! I think what makes them seem so different is that most tend to tune a metal snare vs wood snare so different.

@evilhubert 6 месяцев назад

100 %

@ZMIJUSH 6 месяцев назад

Great video people . Thank you .

@JellyfishEatCats 2 месяца назад

The snare drum that's "for you" is what feels good by the way the air moves when you hit it, and the look of it. The differences in snares are how they make you feel or inspire you. You can only find your favorite sounding snare by sitting behind it and nailing it. The microphones will not capture what you feel.

@alanpassmore2574 6 месяцев назад

Always played maple snare drums but a few years ago I tried a yamaha copper snare and wished i'd had the money to buy, it was such a joy to play.

@briansardinha5396 3 месяца назад

I can tell the difference between the drums when played back to back with decent confidence, but I'm not confident I could tell one from the other if the drums were played with a 30 second pause in between. I do think there is a difference between shell materials and individual drum construction, but the tuning, setup, and playing technique are at least 90% of the equation.

@blalibaba6190 5 месяцев назад

Next to playing I would say that the biggest influence on the sound of a drum is the room and the position you are listening to a drum.

@roybeckerman9253 5 месяцев назад

I’d love to see a segment on the Rogers Dynasonic wood snare, with the best tuning.

@SuperKakaras 6 месяцев назад

Same size, depth and caractheristics. Aluminium, which is a soft metal vs. hard maple and cast hoops - very close at the first 'sight'. But. The difference is obvious by ears. The acro has it's mellow tone and the hard maple is more brighter, more consistent, musical w more volume and wider frequency range. Different dynamics as well. So to my ears the sound is not the same. Great video though. Thanks!🙏

@daleburns7110 Месяц назад

Would you agree then that they’re are big differences in terms of projection and volume of wood vs metal?

@violetskystudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for making this video! All the points you brought up are absolutely true. One question I do have is if different shell materials are louder/ quieter when playing with the same dynamic level / stick hit force. Now that would be an interesting test.

@Slayne-sq4yo 6 месяцев назад

Wow, it's great that you guys did this video. It reminds me of the various videos made a Glen Flicker at SpecterSounds. Who had made various videos debunking tone sounds on electric guitars 🎸. Where he does a blind comparison on different guitars, amps, pick-ups or speakers and guitarist get upset cause they can't pick the right ones. So YEAH, it's hard to tell when you don't see the instruments and have to figure if it's wood or metal. Keep the great work 👍 😊

@giladsgroove275 5 месяцев назад

In listening to these snare samples, I can often precisely identify whether it's a metal or wood snare in most takes. To my ears, the metal snare seems to have a slightly higher pitch and more overtones. Conversely, the wood snare appears a bit drier and less resonant. While in a mix, one might achieve a similar sound from both snares, I believe in a live setting, there's a subtle but noticeable difference between them. Nonetheless, I concur with your view that the drummer's technique is the key factor influencing the sound

@SimonKranzDrums 6 месяцев назад

I was thinking about exactly this scenario just yesterday: wondering how much our eyes decieve our ears, and how accurately or scientifically we can even do comparisons between different pieces of equipment unless all parameters but one are the same. Thank you guys for making this video to prove my train of thought was going in the right direction - and now please get out of my head, or I'll have to ask you to pay rent! 😄

@Iamadrummer Месяц назад

First of all, it is about the residents of the snare. Wood resonates differently than metal. Also, it matters what metal or metals are used and the thickness, what wood or woods are uses. These all have a baring on how the drum sounds. For one thing, you can not get a good crack with a metallic ping with a wood snare. One thing you failed to consider is if wood or metal snares sound the same, then why are there so many to choose from? Not only that, but not every snare does sound the same. Metal snares usually project sound more as wood absorbes some of the sound. I do have a metal snare and a wood snare, and if I use the same heads and tune them as closely as possible, they may sound similar, but you can definitely hear the difference and tell the metal one from the wood one. The circumference, depth, and materials used do significantly affect how a drum sounds. Even with your comparison, you can hear a difference even if it is slight.

@SoundsToBlowYourMind 6 месяцев назад

Interesting episode as usual. Both drums sound great, but there are subtle differences that I could hear in the video. The metal drum sounded a little more open / ringy and the wood drum was a little bit dryer / less ringy, but that is exactly what I'd expect just from the different hoops fitted. Was it the shell or the hoops that was making the difference, or both, or possibly some of the other differences between them... My guess is it's all the differences that are playing a part in the sound. Also the wood drum seemed to be tuned just slightly lower in pitch.

@alsdrumhang 6 месяцев назад

That first sequence - ahhhh, got me good! You guys did a superb job tuning those snares as close to identically as is practically possible. Metal or wood, doesn't matter - does it sound good? That's the most important part. For me, which drum I choose to play is kind of like what shoes or hat I decide to wear on any given day - just a mood thing. Cheers!

@avgdrummer 5 месяцев назад

I listened to this playing in the background while working, not looking at it. I heard two distinctly different drums. I can also tweak a drum to sound more like the sound I want. I understand the point you're trying to make, but it really could've been scripted better.

@Obi-Steve 6 месяцев назад

It's really interesting! I've been using the same starter kit I bought 30 years ago cause the sound guys love it, so I've never "upgraded." I bought a piccolo snare, but other than that, I left it the same. I'm curious though, can you do this again with different tuning? Does a lower or higher pitch change the way the head resonance interacts with the shell?

@christiansmyth1466 6 месяцев назад

i'm having a hard time NOT jumping from "you can't necessarily determine a wood snare from a metal snare by sound alone" to "it doesn't matter what snare you use". I don't think that was the point of this video (or was it LOL), but i'm looking at my little snare collection and thinking "these YT guys just said that you're all equivalent". I don't quite know how to feel but I think I'm kind of sad now.

@monkeyboydc 6 месяцев назад

Ode to the sight screaming classes eh? Haha Always felt like the best snare tensioning experiences came from breaking down my expectations of specific drums, and focusing on making specific sounds.

@ErickC 6 месяцев назад

The major difference I hear is the metal drum, at least at the tuning used for the majority of the video, has a very loud harmonic at about 1200Hz that sticks out like a sore thumb - beyond that the differences are pretty minimal. I'd wager the wood drum probably has a resonant frequency somewhere in its spectrum, too, and I can't rule out whether or not it's an artifact of slight variances in tuning. They both sound good and that's all that counts.

@thesilverdarkroom 6 месяцев назад

I've been around drums for 60+ years. I could hear a very slight difference, but I could not tell which drum was which without the visual. Any difference I heard could have been any number of other variables. Cheers! 🙂

@carlupthegrove262 6 месяцев назад

I agree with you. As someone once said "It is the drummer not the drum".

@paulchandler8121 6 месяцев назад

Really good material (as always). But... You showed this tuning ...like a Venn diagram, where the two drums sound the same. Does shell material make a difference at extremes? In other words, are different shell materials better at different things?

@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

Thanks! And you seem like you got it in terms of the crossover being the point. All aspects of the drum affect the performance to some degree but we tend to allow the psychological aspect of knowing the details take hold of our perception of what a drum is capable of. A perfect example is the craze that's recently re-emerged for bell brass/bronze snare drums with people spending some serious $$$$ just to check that box without understanding how there are so many details that can and will affect the performance of the instrument regardless of the shell material. We've even heard drummers demoing their new $4k snare drums without a lot of attention being given to the tuning and it is rough! But that's the beauty of this stuff- the drum isn't the art. The drum is the canvas upon which we (the drummers) make the art. WE have the ability to affect the sound far more than the shell, the hoops, the number of lugs, etc.

@offbeat74 6 месяцев назад

Sooo Right!

@Hreodrich 6 месяцев назад

One last thing. It has become apparent to me that maybe the largest part of wanting a new snare drum has to do with the aesthetics of the drum. If I don’t normally like shallow drums but see one being used by a drummer I like when he’s using an interesting setup…that whole ensemble become a “mood” of its own that we sometimes seek to capture in small ways. I don’t like shallow snares, but after seeing that now I kinda want one to capture some of that vibe when I’m playing. This has so little to do with sound and much to do with aesthetic mood image.

@jonashellborg8320 6 месяцев назад

The end of the video rings true to me : I think a lot of people are struggling with Doing. Listening, reading, thinking is easier, doing is hard work. I know this myself, when I get tired, I can start analysing which rudiment is the best for me to practise. But when I’ve just logged 1,000 hours of playing I’m a lot better at drums. The rudiments analysis did nothing, the playing did everything.

@norbertrenner9364 6 месяцев назад

The Player is the most importend factor....no doubt....and the eyes do their thing too....but i guess more professionel drummers players use a snare drum with maple/birch/beech shell than one with a steele shell.....and there must be a reason.... I think shell material in gegerell matters,but maybe not as much,as we disscuss it today,the same wtih the dephts of bass drums or toms... on the other hand are the bearing edges,the interaction from the head to the shell,a often overlooked detail.....or that the bass drum is put directly with the rim to the floor or the BD Pedal,witch changes the sound....easy to try by holding a tom by the hand and then laying it direktly on the floor.

@1959dnh 6 месяцев назад

Great video and I couldn't agree more, although I want to disagree mainly due to the fact that I make handmade solid wood stave snare drums and really want to believe that they sound better than metal or laminated wood drums, but the fact of the matter is, they really don't, they all sound like drums and really, as you said, it comes down to how you tune, and hit the drums. I will say, though that solid wood stave snare drums are much "sexier" than laminated or metal drums. DNH Drums!!

@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

Thanks! And it's important to remember that design/construction elements do impact what we can do but they aren't the limitations (or the instant manifestations) that we tend to think about. A well-crafted drum is still a great thing and shouldn't be taken for granted. With all the attention paid to shell material, finish, etc. we both know that it's the hidden details like bearing edges, snare beds, inner vs. outer diameter, hardware alignment, and build integrity that ultimately make a drum an excellent instrument to make music with. As long as these elements are accounted for carefully and intentionally, we like to think that this is less about better or worse and more about differentiation. Cheers! -Ben

@1959dnh 6 месяцев назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum couldn't agree more!

@VasilisKoskinas 6 месяцев назад

The ''biggest'' difference I can hear is that the ring of the wooden snare, is lower than the aluminum...I don't know why this is happening, but in a full mix, I don't know how much of a difference that would do....,

@drumsticksusa 6 месяцев назад

a drum is a cylinder with a head top and bottom. it ain't a violin, brother. none of the things added to that simple physical baseline can qualitatively create dealbreaker differences that can't be equalized between drums by technique, tension of heads and wires, muffling techniques, and the player, either in a live band or in the studio.

@craigwilliams501 6 месяцев назад

I want to believe

@ChaosPootato 6 месяцев назад

Oh no it's the tonewood debate all over again, be careful guys!

@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

Come at us!

@exteminus4150 6 месяцев назад

ehh, I agree with the sentiment that the player has a greater impact on the sound, the role of gear is overstated etc. But the change from one to the other at around 8:16 is very clearly different. I'd be curious to see what kind of a story the spectrograms tell. I think the ludwig has a more prominent ring, and a more gradual decay, where the pearl has a bit more of a subdued ring and a faster almost gated sounding decay. Obviously this could be attributed to any number of differences, not just the shell material, but there is definitely a difference, even without looking.

@TedDiabetes 3 месяца назад

Acrolytes are also dryer and a lot less lively than a Supraphonic.

@craigtoots3391 6 месяцев назад

Shell material never made or broke a gig or session anywhere ever. ✌

@offshoretomorrow3346 6 месяцев назад

Well said! The forbidden truth.

@disappt 6 месяцев назад

My back knows the difference when carrying an aluminum snare.

@marcelopenaonfray5827 6 месяцев назад

hahahaha, exactly

@ruffryder13 6 месяцев назад

Such a weird comment. I mean how much less does it weigh? A few pounds?

@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

This seems like a comment better matched for our sister channel, Feels Like a Drum...

@IllinoisJonRelics 6 месяцев назад

@SoundsLikeADrum that's great 😂😂😂

@G60syncro 6 месяцев назад

@@ruffryder13 Oh man! You've never owned a Vistalite!!! I have a 22'' Vista kick and a 28'' WFL 3 ply kick and the weight difference is shocking!! The Vista feels like a boat anchor!!

@BrandonGravesMusic 6 месяцев назад

Thanks so much for the kind words and description. You guys make excellent content that I am proud to support. I feel like we approach music and sound from a similar place. This topic is also a fascination one. I have found myself using less snare drums as I have seasoned as a player and I believe it is due to this same concept. The better I get to know a drum, the better I can make it do what I want and the more it sounds like me. At this point, I use a 6.5 brass drum and a 5.5 mahogany drum for basically everything. I agree, the shell has way less to do with the sound of the drum than the heads, beds, edge, and player. Bravo guys for this episode.

@danmagee5 6 месяцев назад

Maybe my ears are more fine tuned but I can hear a difference. I've been spending a lot of time recording different snares at different tunings so my ears are probably a little more tuned in than most. The wood drum was dryer it only rang out when you hit it harder. Also a different sounding ring. Maybe do another video where you are not showing the drum Pan the camera up a little bit and see if someone can tell the difference.

@AtTheSourceStudios 6 месяцев назад

I hear the same. I see the point he's trying to make totally but there is definitely a difference in the sound. Pretty clear too.

@fideldely5988 6 месяцев назад

I love the point of avoiding brand strategies to define what is the sound you need and experiment of your own. Materials DO have characteristics that are different yet difficult to be meaningful... you need to spend time with your equipment and try different stuff.... not just praise a brand or model. But tuning, set up and feel are the Real variables. And no one needed to feel coerced to believe the can hear a wood and aluminum shells being the same, its hardly noticeable? Maybe, in different circumstances. Is it WORTH NOTICING? While we are focused on the font type, we aren't actually connecting with the story we are reading....

@drumjedi5301 6 месяцев назад

Two relative stories that support your point: I used to play regularly for my church, in a rotation with two other drummers. Same drums, same sticks, I was the one to tune the kit regardless of who played; the sound guy would talk endlessly about how the kit never sounded as good when the other two played as it did when I played. He was biased toward me as a drummer, of course (we have been working together for decades, and part of my sound was molded by him), but it just illustrates the different sound produced by different drummers, even on the same kit. Also, one of the fun things the band I'm in does is have one of the lead singer/guitar players sit at the kit for one song, while I do some vocals in his place. The kit sounds COMPLETELY different under his playing. Again, same sticks, same tunings, etc. A player's sound is made by the player. Different drums, tunings, and heads do different things, but the player is the most important variable in the mix. Fun video!

@evilhubert 6 месяцев назад

From my opinion the area of depth and ring where you can actually notice a significant difference is not where you would want your snare sound, that’s like some St. Anger sh

@derekinksetter11 6 месяцев назад

The thing you can't get in a video are the differences in feel, which sometimes does come down to the drum configuration and materials. A 6.5" deep thin shelled drum with triple flange hoops won't feel the same as a 5" deep, thick maple drum with re-rings and die casts. When playing, that difference in feel can inform my playing in a way that (naturally) translates into a different sound, just because of how it changes my playing.

@evilhubert 6 месяцев назад

That’s true but you’re talking about specs rather than materials right?

@derekinksetter11 6 месяцев назад

@@evilhubert Sure, but materials plays a part. In the video, they had two drums with different shell materials, but also different number of lugs, different hoop styles, etc, and (slightly) different depths. A thin, sharp shell like the INDe kalamazoo will feel different than a Craviatto baseball bat edged solid snare. Sometimes, those differences in specs make a huge difference, and aren't captured when you just say "bronze" vs "maple"

@Mystninja 6 месяцев назад

Nah I could hear the difference. They metal sound better. And a bit sharper. And the wood sounds warmer.

@do8671 6 месяцев назад

I feel the same, I would need to do a blind test though!

@simongrossjohann 4 месяца назад

@SoundsLikeADrum for me this was the most controversial episode you ever posted ... it kept going round and round in my head and I started to fiddle a lot with my own snares to finally realize that you are right in some way, but also somewhat deliberatly hiding things. While shell material is nearly irrelevant when you hit the snare softly and without hoop, a rimshot hits the snare like a gong and activates the shell just as much as you activate the batter and reso head. There is an immediate shell response from that hit, and that shell response is absolutely depending on the material and complexity of the shell. You deliberatly used wood and aluminum, both rather short sustain shells ... and with little to no compression, this shell response is not very audible, Ill amit that! The moment you crank up compression, you get a lot more of that shell response aftermath and suddenly the difference of two different shells is pretty huge and very audible. In one way you were very open and honest, but in another way you obscured things in my eyes ;) I made a small comparison of different hoop styles on my Ludwig Black Beauty and, with some compression, the direct initial shell response is crazy: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c5gbtB7EIR0.htmlsi=A4fyo-m5CZeLPqNX Then I compared two very different metal shells with die cast hoops, which provide the most shell activation on a rim shot - the difference is very very audible and clearly showcases the shell. On the other hand, the two snares are hardly distinguishable when you just hit the batter head without the hoop: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3zhb-v5rxFM.htmlsi=KkmQmYzYqX6ppeeJ I dont want to self-promote here, I dont earn money with youtube, and I never will, I just think it could be interesting for people, because this episode triggered me to fiddle with my snares very intensely and recorded that mostly for myself. keep up the good work, I really love this channel and I loved the "trap" in this episode! ;) // simon

@elliotthughes2382 5 месяцев назад

I think for the first time with your video's am going to have to actually disagree with you. When you did the first "comparison" my initial reaction was "why does the wood drum sound like a metal one?" (in other words, I did not fall for the bait and switch). While yes you can tune a metal drum to sound more like a wooden drum, and you can tune a wooden drum to sound more like a metal one, there absolutely is a difference between the natural sound of them. Even with the drums you have here that are tuned to sound similar the wooden drum is slightly drier, and there is more of a high end resonance in the metal drum. You have spoken in previous videos when you spoke about tom tuning about finding the natural resonance of the drum and working with it, not against it. The material of a drum will change the natural resonance of it. That is not to say that heads/tuning/how you play them, and even shell thickness don't play bigger parts in the overall sound of a drum, but material absolutely matters. Want an easy proof that is matters? Why do all high end drum companies make their toms/kicks out of wood? They could mass produce shells from stainless steel, cut down material/manufacturing, and labour costs and improve the profitability of their companies overnight by casting drums from metal, but they don't. Why? Because the material matters. I would be happy to be corrected on this, but I believe back in the 80's a company even experimented with producing metal drums, and they flopped because they sounded bad. Having the option of a metal snare, that by the nature of the material has more of a high end ring to it, for a drum that is made to accent beats, makes sense if that fits your music style/the sound you want, as it's easier to enhance what the drum is doing naturally. And final thought on this: when I said at the start I picked up that it was the same drum at the start of the video: I am not listening to this under the best conditions. I am listening through laptop speakers in a room that has a lot of reverb. If I can pick up the difference under these conditions I dare say it would be more pronounced if I listened under better conditions. Or maybe my ears are just freakishly good at picking up these differences?

@tjhessmon4327 5 месяцев назад

Well I will agree to disagree, and not based upon the sound of a drum shell material, but base upon the repeatability and consistent surface of Steel VS wood bearing edges. Metal bearing edges are the absolute king, when it comes to a consistently flat and complete (without gaps) surface. Additionally, they are not prone to movement when compared to wood expansion. Therefore, because of the structure of metal bearing edges, and the ability of metal to withstand head tension forces, there results a more consistent, repetitive sound, when compared to wood shell drums. Again it’s not the shell that makes the sound, it’s the heads. However the more robust the structure, the more consistent the resulting sound. Look at marching snares and roto toms as your examples. Have you ever seen a roto tom made out of wood? No And are high tension snare drums deployed upon wooden bearing edges? No Why do the both use metal as their structure?

@bacbladerunner 6 месяцев назад

The only time I clearly heard a difference was on the pocket groove. The metal seemed to have a little more "pop & zing" to it. But maybe it was just the tuning.

@contramachina354 6 месяцев назад

Yep, I find that actual metal drums have more overtones / sustain / ring

@stevendietrich8317 5 месяцев назад

@@contramachina354 and people also give different tastes to identical fruit flavor yogurts if they have different colors.

@dikkeskieven484 6 месяцев назад

I'm not saying I would be able to tell a Superstar from a Supraphonic in a blind test, but I could definitely tell the difference in sound. It's not a MASSIVE difference, but the wooden snare sounded just a tad deeper - with more oomph - and behaved differently as it was decaying. I checked it blindly, because you're right: our senses influence each other - and I came out still hearing a difference and I could tell which was the wooden snare and which was the metal one (only because I came to recognise these specific snares and their distinctive sound - I'm not saying this would be true with other snares, I'm sure there are some out there that can sound identical). I was even stunned in the beginning with the trickery because I was indeed hearing the exact same snare sound and was like "wow, amazing! They DO sound identical!" I guess what I'm trying to say is that I do still believe every drum has it's own unique voice, but I completely agree that the differences can often be very minimal.

@debutantsftw 6 месяцев назад

IMO this statement would have to exclude cheap luan wood shells, and harder and heavier metal shells like brass, bronze, copper. Those differ so much in shear volume alone, let alone tone.

@debutantsftw 6 месяцев назад

also cross sticking should be considered

@vladeguignimusic 6 месяцев назад

I hear your point, BUT they do sound very different. I promise I did listen to the video first before watching anything. However is very true that you can do the same work with either one. AMAZING VIDEO!

@intrepiddrums 6 месяцев назад

Very interesting topic, thank you for this!

@pinelybones 6 месяцев назад

I think with sound differences, it’s less about shell material and more about sizes/head choice. I have a 13x7 OCDP Maple/Ash Snare and it has a lot of low-end punch and thud at high tunings that aren’t (as) present with a regular 14x5-14x8. I had a Heavyweight on it because I thought the extra mass as well as shorter diameter would mean the high-pitched, but bassy sound I was talking about but it was too thick and choked the drum out. The G12 was my next choice and it was like magic, my favorite head on that drum by a long shot 💪

@DynamicRockers 6 месяцев назад

exactly, a nice piccolo 14"x3.5" or pancake, a standard wood 14"x5.5" and a deep metal 14"x6.5" won't have the same sound and they can tune very differently.

@stevedoesnt 6 месяцев назад

I think a whooole lot of people didn’t get the point of this video. Time to do a video without the visuals attached, and make people guess the shell material blindly.

@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

And it’s really not about shell material. That’s just the tip of the iceberg here. This is about sonic crossover with the user and their choices serving as variables of control rather than surrendering to a spec sheet and preconceived notions.

@johnkenn1608 6 месяцев назад

I dont think the sound is different enough to matter, but i know i can make both my brass snares much louder than any wood snare I've tried. In my case my band is super loud and we don't mic everyone's stuff up so i needed the brass to be able to cut through the mix. Very solid video though, i loved it

@blalibaba6190 5 месяцев назад

Interesting, my Pearl FF Brass 14x6,5 is not louder than my Sonor Designer Maple 14x6,5 - for sure both are extremely loud and cutting through. I have Steel Snares (Tama Silverstar 80s, Pearl Ian Paiste Model) in 14x6,5 which are a bit less loud. I use same heads (top Remo Ambassador, bottom Remo Diplomat) on all and the biggest difference I noticed is that the Pearl FF Brass is less bright.

@justinreynolds3935 День назад

Shells material is about 10% the drums sound. The heads and the room make a bigger difference then the material though. I can hear a difference. Not huge but the overtone and ring are different.... I will say the dw claim of the specialty staggered shell plys do hood water. The note of the shell thing is a bit of a reach I think though. Also solid ply snares and staves have a different feel and sound as well. I've been recording drums for over 10 years now and will say 90% of drums will sound similar. The biggest difference is the room and heads. And of course the player.

@Matt-io3uz 14 часов назад

Now do the same video with only a phone camera, no processing, no fancy mics. I'll bet you will hear a difference. I have 4 snares and not a single one sounds as similar in my ears. The processing has stripped the character. Anyone who believes this video probably only owns one snare or hasnt developed their ears to tell the difference. Of couse they sound the same when processed, but that's not the true user experience 90% of the time, most of us are just playing accostically in our practice rooms or smaller room gigs. Even when miced at a gig your probably not hearing the processed, your hearing what right between your legs.

@maconcochran4370 6 месяцев назад

What about shell density? Would a 20 ply not sound different from a 10 ply or a 7mm from a 10mm?

@krisramos7453 5 дней назад

Yes but my 6.5” deep brass snare rim shots hit the chest of the people in the back row of the venue which a wood snare can’t do (I play alone in my basement it doesn’t matter)

@lewybody 6 месяцев назад

Exceptional! Useful, clear, demonstrable, and irrefutable. Thank you! I still feel that there's difference in sound from some drums because I BELIEVE they respond differently. And because I hit them with a different attitude and expectation, which is then self fulfilling. (plus, close-mic'ing also adds continuity between drums, which might sound a smidgeon different were a listener right in the room, with fresh ears (and their eyes closed). Finally, "the Placebo Effect" is real in unexpected ways. So real, in fact, that in a recent study I reviewed, even people who KNEW they were getting the placebo, felt some benefit from it. So this is often why we seek out more gear for a different sound, not because it will sound different, but because we believe it will, and may find inspiration in that. I don't see that as a bad thing. Thanks again for your always stellar videos!

@mikeskenne Месяц назад

Thank y'all, as always, for taking the time to research and provide this comparison. I recently purchased a Ludwig acrolite. I love it, it sounds awesome and is so easy to deal with. A reason I purchased it was all the hype I'd been hearing. But, after some soul searching, it came down to I wanted that drum I had as a kid. I searched for a while to find one. I budgeted

@thenecessitarian 6 месяцев назад

I didn't hear a difference but ..... I cannot make my cheaper drums sound as good as my high end drums no matter what I do with the tuning. And the way a drum shell is constructed makes a huge impact on the sound. So while I can't tell the material of a drum by ear I can most certainly hear a difference in the construction of the shell. Cheap shells are much harder if not impossible to tune to the same sound quality as quality shells. Even if they are the exact same size and thickness. It's very noticeable, especially in a recording.

@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

Build quality can have a dramatic effect on the performance of a drum. Every aspect has some degree of impact on performance, though some of them may be less evident. These design elements can similarly hinder the capability of a drum but it can be difficult without troubleshooting single variables at a time to assign blame to any one element. The price tag isn't always the best barometer for what a drum will be capable of, as there are so many factors involved in pricing that go far beyond the build itself.

@thenecessitarian 6 месяцев назад

I didn't say anything about price, necessarily. Also in my particular case all else is equal BUT the actual shells. The player stays the same. The playing stays the same. The room is the same. The mics, heads, sticks, hardware, positioning, are all the same. But the difference between shell manufacturers is immediately evident both acoustically and in a recording. It's also felt in the hands too. The most expensive isn't the best but the highest quality IS. @@SoundsLikeADrum

@SoundsLikeADrum 6 месяцев назад

@@thenecessitarian Ah, my apologies. When you referenced your "cheaper drums" I thought you were referring to the price specifically.

@999NINE99 6 месяцев назад

This is the most misunderstood concept in drumming. Sounding good is more important than speed and gear. If you don't know how to play jazz, rock, or latin time so that they sound great, you need to improve your dynamic control not your snare.

@andrewlauchengco7923 2 месяца назад

I agree with the sentiments of this video to a certain extent. Shell build plays a factor to conducting these experiments. I believe there is a threshold to when both drums with different materials would sound the same and when they will start becoming distinct from one another. For example: Would a 5mm maple-ply snare sound the same as a 5mm brass snare? Or would a 1.2mm aluminum shell sound the same as a 1.5mm single-ply birch snare? With how things are sold to us by manufacturers today, we are presented with thicker built wood-ply snares(around 5 to 6mm on average) and thin-built metal snares(1 to 1.5mm on average) which I believe are at a threshold of sounding very similar to each other with nuances. Unless we have an apples-to-apples comparison of snare materials/configuration, we can still argue that snare material does make a difference. Great episode! A great topic to continuously discuss/ argue about within drummers.

@jorymil Месяц назад

Let's not kid ourselves: a poorly-maintained wooden MIJ snare is always going to be harder to work with than a brand-new Pearl. If you're fighting the _condition_ of your instrument, it's a losing battle. But most of us aren't using super beat-up gear that requires daily tweaks. This is assumed by the video for brevity's sake, but there are/will be maintenance videos dealing with it explicitly.

@roybeckerman9253 26 дней назад

Behind electric guitars on stage, snares will sound very similar… It’s all about the drummer. That’s what an audience will notice…

@supacrispy Месяц назад

I was listening with eyes closed, and could tell a slight difference during the snare off and pocket groove comparison. Could I tell you which was which? Nope. Eyes were closed. Both sound good.

@nicolaswolfmusic Месяц назад

I think that 90% of the sound comes from the actual thing that vibrates, the skins, thus the choice of which skin you use, how you tune it, how you dampen it, is by far the biggest factor. As long as the bearing edges, snare bed and hardware are built nicely, this will be a useful drum. The other 10% are details that at best only get heard by well trained ears, snare tension comes second, the shell third (steel vs. maple without dampening aren't the same I think, though bronze vs. aluminium...?), then snare wires, then rims, (then choice of wire or plastic thing to held the wires in place, than how tight you screw the snare on the stand, etc.) I agree with the commentators, these 10% are important to the player because it gives a particular feel when playing it, thus it inspires differently and makes one play differently, so they don't matter sonicwise but playingwise. AND like it's been said in the video, the looks are very important, a beautiful drum shapes the perception, the brain makes the shortcut of good looks -> good sound, plus it motivates you more to play it, whereas you probably don't even want to set up a dusty ugly one.

@jaymeramirez7435 6 месяцев назад

My dumb ears 👂 think almost every drum can sound very close to the same. I only own 25 snare drums because I love collecting them. I have found that I really like a 14x8 Ludwig Supralite tuned fairly high. With dampening. Not too crazy about many 6.5x14 snares. Even my Supraphonic. Not my favorite. 🤷🏿.

@dereksalazar3830 6 месяцев назад

Holy cow! What a wonderful episode - thank you all for laying it out so perfectly for us

@KevinDaboin 6 месяцев назад

Want to say thank you for all the videos you post. Lots of good information! They sound different to me. But...The aluminum snare was probably not the best choice for a metal snare since aluminum has many similar tones that a wood snare has. The difference I hear is that the Maple snare has more of a warmer attack and the Aluminum has more of a higher bite on attack. A brass or a steel snare would have been a better choice than the aluminum.

@fernandochero_ Месяц назад

You can say that different shells can sound similar, but definitively not the same. Anyone with a musical ear can tell differences between the snares you tested in this video, an it was just 2 drums. To say that the differences are so small that they doesn't matter in a live performance is a very poor thinking, specially for a musician.

@OlmezDrums 5 месяцев назад

Hi Cody, you are on a new level here 🙌 I've just watched the other videos released this month and you are so much more alive basically. Really didn't expect the first comparison to be a deception 😅 But what I mean is being more playful, also speaking your truth more directly. And at the end of the video a proper guidance as you call to action by saying "work on your ear training". Overall I like the tone of this and the other videos very much 💛 I feel like something has changed, shifted recently in your life, some liberating experience maybe. Either way, just wanted share what I saw and share the love 🙏🫂

@adbarnes57 3 месяца назад

Great presentation. I know lots of drummers will be upset about a few of the comments on the video. Actually I agree, it's mostly how the player plays the drum. Of course drum needs to be good enough to be tuned to produce great tone. As long as it's round and a head can be seated on rim and hold up your good to go. Enjoy, learn, share, keep drumming! Old Man Drummer....

@michaelwilson604 5 месяцев назад

I will admit, I’ve seen a video on RU-vid where a guy was playing a stainless steel kit and it sounded just as warm and wonderful as any wood kit BUT I am CERTAIN that my acrylic snare drum has less sustain than my other snare drums. Could that really ONLY be head selection and tuning? I use no dampening of any kind, other than that built into the head. I see that, despite the folk law, that bearing edges make no discernible difference to sound but what about construction? Does shell thickness also have no discernible input to drum sound?

@daltonidaho 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for doing the bait and switch! Most of what we think we hear is influenced by what we see, and many musicians just won't accept it. I deliberately didn't look at the video just to see if I could discern which drum was which, but I couldn't. Great video!

@TheSmilingRI.DE. 5 месяцев назад

Hello! This video is great, as usual with your content! I would like to ask you a question on a similar topic… As a drummer, I am very much in love with my instruments and, as it is nearly 25 years that I play, I am starting to consider buying a very high end drum set. How do you tackle the issue of not being caught in all the marketing and how would you choose this kind of kit? I am not a rich man (for now at least), so I would like to have your opinion if sometimes it can be worth to buy an expensive kit, as it will last for a lifetime… Thank you very much, I hope this can be useful for many drummers!

@rubytuesday1345 6 месяцев назад

Spare a thought for all those poor guys who spent hundreds of $s on LM402s hoping to sound like John Bonham! Probably could have got the same sound on a $50 MIJ.

@legacyShredder1 5 месяцев назад

On your simple backbeat examples the metal snare has a fundamental transient note that is 6 db higher than the wood snare that leads to a longer sustain decay (although both snares are roughly equal in volume.) The metal snare also had more harmonic overtones. The wood snare also has a flatter transient wave peak that has a sound of a very mild compression. This is assuming the video and the audio files are matching during that portion of the video. I'm an audio engineer with a multitude of gadgets to analyze audio with, and I get really into detail about transient information. Many different variables can be at play like how you hit the drum on each take, weight of the rims, or the heads (type, thickness, age, tuning.) Can eyes lie to us? Sure they can. Are those two examples identically the same? No. Still love your content though.

@DavidKDrums 6 месяцев назад

I can certainly hear a slight difference, but very slight. In a musical context you wouldn't hear it. A tad bit of muffling it would negate the difference. Great comparison.

@Hreodrich 6 месяцев назад

Another thing. You know, they do sound ever so slightly different. But damn it’s a small difference that the question is what is the dollar sign one could really justify putting on it? Man I really like my masters maple but I want it to be slightly different, guess I need to buy a 1500 craviotto. Haha.

@mattdrummist 6 месяцев назад

Ok, next do a video where you recreate the St. Anger tone with only wood snares, then compare them all with a Plexi, or even any metal snare. Sure they can all sound close to each other. But if you're going for shitloads of obnoxiously twangy ring, wood tends to fall short. Just my experience. Never heard a wood snare with twang in its decay that could be made to sound like metal.

@marty9464 6 месяцев назад

While your point is well taken, the near field experience of hearing the drum without amplification is different. My COB Slingerland snare is definitely a bit warmer than my Rogers steel Super Ten and both are different than my 15" fiberglass snare that has a great dry articulateness that steel and wood are not capable of. Once you put a mike right next to the head, the electronics tend to decrease the differences... and out in the audience (miked or not) I'm sure the difference isn't discernible. I've learned that the near field listening experience (my hearing the sound directly) , if it's what I want to hear, is a big factor in my increased efficacy in expressing myself. Same thing with cymbals...

@sullysullster8217 3 месяца назад

More importantly, more expensive gear wont make you a better drummer. The expensive gear might sound better if its tuned right but the old kit will probably sound better than it used to if its given the same treatment as the new gear. New heads, tuning etc...

@Hreodrich 6 месяцев назад

Anyone here feel free to correct me I’ve suspected this for a long time, that spec to spec there is very little difference between materials. Not no difference at all but very subtle. Subtle enough to dispense with the idea that an 80 dollar swingstar steel snare is inferior to a 500+ star phonic steel. Wood snares can sound twangy. Metal snares can sound thwacky. Where I feel the difference from drum to drum is most evident is in the players seat where you resonate with the drum while playing it. There is a noticeable difference between my Genista birch and my Jupiter fiberglass when I play them but if I was in the audience I would definitely not be able to tell the difference especially if some other drummer had tuned them before comparing them. That being said, it seems to be universally understood that a cast bronze snare is noticeably different. That’s really the only other snare I want to get in my 5 piece collection due to the infinite ceiling and specific tone, It would that just be a waste of money?

@weeschwee 5 месяцев назад

I may sound like an idiot, but I feel like there was definitely a difference although subtle at times. In general I thought the wood snare was a bit tighter sounding. Someone else commented that Aluminum is closer to wood than other metals. That's always been my impression as well. It would be interesting to see these comparisons expanded to other woods and metals. It's unfortunate there wasn't a blind test with all the talk of being visually tricked. Either way you got both snares to sound great!

@UtwoBed 3 месяца назад

To me the wood seemed a slight bit warmer. I am also sure your in person experience is probably completely different than ours, and in the case of us the sound is probably effected more by the choice of microphones than anything else.

@murrayaforsman 5 месяцев назад

Your assertion is correct - the answer is no, I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference. It's only because you tuned them so identically and I knew one was metal and also that you played them within a few seconds of each other that I was able to tell them apart due to the slight difference in overtones from the higher resonance of the metal. And I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion that the player and the tuning process are primarily responsible for the sound of the snare. This applies to the whole kit. I've made cheap drums sound pretty good.

@6393dude 6 месяцев назад

Was one noticably louder than another?

@NixonPresidente 6 месяцев назад

The only time they sounded different was at 8:10, idk y but they did, everything else they sounded pretty much identical taking into account that the wood drum was tuned slightly flatter. All that is said in this video is true and people shouldn't get offended, ur saving people money and telling them how to get an actually good drum sound.

@stefanosantimone5886 Месяц назад

I agree on the fact that the sound is made by the drummer, which also means that maybe Cody is only able to get that, only and same sound, from any snare, because it's the sound that he likes.

@tommyv365 3 месяца назад

Real great episode! Almost an intervention! I think every word you said toward the end needed to be said ! Keep up w the sharin of your wisdom and experience!

@robertoferrarini7153 6 месяцев назад

I know a drums artisan who always says: " there are no differences between types of drums, there are only good sounding drums and bad sounding drums, regardless the way they are made or the meterial they are made of"

@BeatsAndMeats 6 месяцев назад

But my bell brass was sand-casted by the Dhali Lama!! The tears of the poor people who play Pearl Exports were used to lubricate the file that made the edges!

@offshoretomorrow3346 6 месяцев назад

Hahah! 😁

@enriquemundaca8396 5 дней назад

Tunning and technique are the keys for a specific sound.

@reddieseled 3 месяца назад

I think dimensions matter more than material. Obviously being round and having good heads matter

@jndmoto7340 4 месяца назад

Hmmm says shell material doesn't matter but has a room full of different drums 🤔

@SoundsLikeADrum 4 месяца назад

Did you watch the episode though?

@jndmoto7340 4 месяца назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum yep of course.I love you videos and while I do agree drummers should work on their sound and I agree the way you set up and play a drum has the biggest influence on its sound, the truth is different drum materials have inherently different sounds. It's not the be all and end all and you don't have to spend 1000s on different snares for every situation but there are differences

@jndmoto7340 4 месяца назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum sorry I should say acoustically there is a difference, once they are mic up all bets are off

@johnosborn7089 6 месяцев назад

Informative and suprising. I appreciate the time and effort spent making this great channel.

@apsestasis 6 месяцев назад

Great video. I've been messing with people online by asking for help picking a better ride cymbal based on audio from a couple of samples alone when in fact it's the same ride all the time and i only switch between nylon and wood tipped sticks.

@ruffryder13 6 месяцев назад

They sounded very close. The only thing i can think of to ascribe to one drum over the other that makes any sense is that the wood drum seemed to have a little less sustain. Its so close that I cant see that ever making any practical difference with these two drums though.

@jazzhole8208 6 месяцев назад

Hey, yes, i actually read about, that the only difference lays in the density of the material. The denser the material, the longer the tone. Bcause there is more reflection of the sound waves happening in the chamber. I guess it really depends also on the build quality as well, to achieve a good sound quicker. But yeah . . . 🙌 i thought so too