Miami Dice: Betrayal at Baldur's Gate 

And the components would be super cheap because, hey! it's a Hasbro board game.

They should make Formula D&D next.

D&D Pandemic = Defenders of the Realms

@Mythicos There’s Hasbro, there’s WOTC, and then there’s Avalon Hill. Yes, they’re all part of the same beast, but they’re separate parts of it. In other words, this isn’t a “Hasbro game,” nor is it a WOTC game (looks like Tom didn’t know this), it’s an AH game...using the IP of WOTC...manufactured by Hasbro. But at the end of the day, it’s an AH baby. They were the ones with final say-so regarding design, rules, etc. AH doesn’t have access or rights to use WOTC artwork (that’s why there’s no cool D&D art assets). In terms of component quality, WOTC always produces excellent components that still remain affordable. AH and Hasbro? Not so much.

hethdavid OMG THIS!

Even better "Betrayal at the Dungeon of the Mad Mage"

Seeing Castle Ravenloft is an event in the game and does cause you to take mental damage.

I always skip it, waste of time

uh, may be common sense, but ignore the two deuces above. obviously scam bots

"I really wish someday they'll just release a completely fixed version of the original" They did. It's called Mansions of Madness 2nd Edition.

Andromedax01 the dynamics of the haunt means it cant be "fixed". The game has no way to know what items you have or what location you're in. It's not that it doesnt work, it cant work.

Nah, Mansions of Madness is great, but doesnt replace Betrayal at House on the Hilll. Betrayal encompasses all sorts of horror, from serious ghost stories to silly dumb camp b flicks. Mansions of Madness is all serious all the time.

Well maybe not "completely" fixed then, but at least "playtested enough that it doesnt keep breaking and soiling itself at the slightest provocation"

I haven't read in depth on this yet, but supposedly there is a Betrayal Legacy coming out next year. I love original Betrayal, but I do recognize that it could still use some work. Hopefully the Legacy version ends up being a labor of love.

Seriously?

We do we wont start to roll for the haunt until a good deal of the house is explored and well keep going if its a haunt weve done before or dnt particularly like the sound of

"you have fun playing the game despite the game" - Sam DT 2017

That's funny. Its 45 for this one and 49 for the original where i live

.... a bit??

Well I'm a nice guy! =p

Draffut2003 just buy mini clothes pins. $1 for a pack of 100. They stay in place, and won't damage anything when moved. Also, you can use a marker to color them if you want a visual distinction between the mind and body stats. Much better.

Or was actually designed and produced by WOTC instead of AH.

Eyal Itsik a dungeon that connects to a backyard? If the joke doesnt make sense, dont use it. Also, the game doesnt actually take place in a dungeon. Did you not even watch the review?

Did you write this in a dungeon

that*

OMG i'm stuck in a dungeon with some wierd guys watching a board game review and making comments. Anybody got some dice?

Weird.

Aikuchi the term "haunt" was established. It's branding.

Trevin Taylor so is the term "Quest" for for D&D players and the players of Balder's Gate 1&2 and Icewind Dale.

yes, and when you play DnD or Balders, you'll call them quests. but this isnt, so you wont.

Trevin Taylor except they called it Balder's Gate and are directly targeting the gamer and RPG demographic.

Aikuchi no, it's called Betrayal at baulders gate. You just selectively pick and choose your information to suit your narrative dont you. Your argument for it being "tied into baulder" could also be used identically for "tied into betrayal".

Because that would entail actual effort. I’m pretty sure this was a game forced out by some Avalon Hill middle manager with a “great idea.”

@@RoyAnderson so your implying that all great board game ideas are bad and that unless it already exists it shouldn't even be made?

@@jamielishbrook2384 Yes. Yes I am. Curses, my secret Luddite goals have now been exposed!

@@RoyAnderson you do know that some of the best board games of all.time started off as greatest ideas and that by your logic there would be no board games at all.

@@jamielishbrook2384 Good. Then I could live the life of peace and harmony that I've always wanted!

scottemc like they said it depends on which setting you like more. But the rules and mechanic in Baldur's Gate are tighter.

Noctis Altura aren't the rules/mechanisms the same?

I thought they replaced the haunt with hunt for this. Would be better

Check out MageKnight! They do a great job of that! (I think I'm gonna' just make a stamp....)

nasaboy87 money

Krynn Showdown.

Wes Ray why? What's wrong with the current theme?

Trevin Taylor I was just making a joke since they re-themed Betrayal with D&D. Thought the concept of a D&D Vegas Showdown was funny.

i can actually see that working very well. making a dungeon or castle. i just think the current theme works fine. if i wanted them to change anything, it would be the component quality. those paper mats are horrible.

I heard it say that they somehow fixed the markers on the pentagram character cardboard mats but don't take my word for it. Also one of my figures was so bent it looked like she was limbo dancing LOL

Triple K Gamer except WotC wants to make profit. Mechs and minions was sold for a loss. You cant use that as a standard. If that was made by any other company it would have cost $150.

Trevin Taylor Breakeven maybe but not for a loss. You’re right it’s unfair to make MvM as the industry standard but there are smaller board game companies that makes better components than WotC on a reasonable price.

Triple K Gamer once you account for the development, yes, a loss. You do know they flew out Tom and many others to consult, right? Maybe the pieces themselves were sold at cost, but once you include the development, yes, a loss. It's called a loss leader. You sell something at a loss on the hopes of recouping the money in future returns from your new customers. This is what video game consoles do. You sell a console at a loss knowing you'll get it back in the game sales. You give away a razor on the futures of selling blades. Once RnD is taken into account, a loss. However, even if it was "break even" as you say, which it isnt, you still arent making profit. Companies arent charities. This was a marketing tool, not a game. Also, the bigger a company the higher the margins need to be. You may be able to find a small developer making a slight margin in the name of getting into the industry, but a giant company like Hasbro sees a 50% margin as a loss when compared to the potential they could have made on another product. Things are different when there are stockholders. This is not an apt comparison.

Trevin Taylor You have legit points. You’re 100% correct that “Companies aren’t charities” so Riot Games as a company is a bit confusing (maybe they have more money to burn). It’s interesting to know how things work behind the board game business but for the end user/gamer like me it all boils down if the game is worth the investment - quality games with quality components. I still love some games from WotC and Hasbro don’t get me wrong I just wish they up the ante specially when new comers are producing high quality games (yeah I know they have a massive overhead to deal with). Cheers!

Moe Joe Lords of Waterdeep has good art and some of the components are ok. The cards at least are good quality

Moe Joe Conquest of Nerath

Ill give you that. Nerath had descent artwork, but I think that might be the exception to the rule so far imo.

@Matthew Moos What the heck are you talking about. Waterdeep is probably the worst example of the games out there. Almost no artwork at all, and what little it had was almost drowned out by the rugged surface of the cards.

Matthew Moos if it was great, they wouldn't sell aftermarket pieces to replace the ones that come with it.

mrfaldor he's between 2 people

Wrong, wrong, absolutely brimming over with wrongability.

Magnus Lund it's consistency across the line. Branding.

Some copy pasta for your consumption. There’s Hasbro, there’s WOTC, and then there’s Avalon Hill. Yes, they’re all part of the same beast, but they’re separate parts of it. In other words, this isn’t a Hasbro game, nor is it a WOTC game, it’s an AH game...using the IP of WOTC...manufactured by Hasbro. But at the end of the day, it’s an AH baby. They were the ones with final say-so regarding design, rules, etc. AH doesn’t have access or rights to use WOTC artwork (that’s why there’s no cool D&D art assets). In terms of component quality, WOTC always produces excellent components that still remain affordable. AH and Hasbro? Not so much.

I agree wholeheartedly. They didn't even change the stats to Str/Con/Dex/Int/Wis/Cha. That's just lazy.

It is. Copy pasta! There’s Hasbro, there’s WOTC, and then there’s Avalon Hill. Yes, they’re all part of the same beast, but they’re separate parts of it. In other words, this isn’t a Hasbro game, nor is it a WOTC game, it’s an AH game...using the IP of WOTC...manufactured by Hasbro. But at the end of the day, it’s an AH baby. They were the ones with final say-so regarding design, rules, etc. AH doesn’t have access or rights to use WOTC artwork (that’s why there’s no cool D&D art assets). In terms of component quality, WOTC always produces excellent components that still remain affordable. AH and Hasbro? Not so much.

Pretty much why I don't like. Those who enjoy it tend to enjoy the storytelling/atmosphere. This version seems to get rid of that, so I don't see this as much of an improvement.

Josef Ferguson Mechanically they are similar they do not have the same feel whatsoever. Keeping in the horror theme, Mansions of Madness is like one of the greats like The Shining or Silence of the Lambs. It's innovative, it's well designed, and it's a great experience but one that many people can't handle. I can't play Mansions with my non boardgaming friends, there's just too much there for them to wrestle through. Betrayal on the other hand is like the classic Scooby Doo tv show. It's light, it's funny (oftentimes unintentionally) its an absolute mess narratively but If you go into in the right mood, it's a blast. That's the mind set you need to enjoy it. My #1 houserule for betrayal is 'no reading the rule book'. Nothing kills that game quicker than trying to play it optimally because 1. It takes you out of the zany theme and 2. If you can figure out what the hell that rule book is trying to say then you are a better man than I. Betrayal works best when you let go and lose yourself in the theme and whenever you come across a problem, just roll with it. If you can't do that than the game isn't for you.

Oh god no, that app is the stupidest thing ever. Made me never want to play Mansions of Madness, ever.

wat

Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even when it's wrong.

What's so hard to understand? Attaching an app to a boardgame is a dumb trend. The more time goes by, they won't update it after a while, and it won't work on newer devices, making the game literally unplayable.

Wasn’t a WOTC effort, obviously. Just look at some of their games compared to this. Yeah. Also, copy pasta: There’s Hasbro, there’s WOTC, and then there’s Avalon Hill. Yes, they’re all part of the same beast, but they’re separate parts of it. In other words, this isn’t a Hasbro game, nor is it a WOTC game, it’s an AH game...using the IP of WOTC...manufactured by Hasbro. But at the end of the day, it’s an AH baby. They were the ones with final say-so regarding design, rules, etc. AH doesn’t have access or rights to use WOTC artwork (that’s why there’s no cool D&D art assets). In terms of component quality, WOTC always produces excellent components that still remain affordable. AH and Hasbro? Not so much.